Most young shooters don't hunt, so is there any reason to

>>33980156
Self defense and competition.

>>33980180
>Self defense
Let's be honest. For most shooters, self defense is nothing more than a Walter Mitty fantasy. Yes, there are exceptions, but the vast majority will NEVER have the chance to shoot somebody.
>>33980180
>competition
If you are into serious competition, you are going to have to practice with thousands of rounds. Doing so with centerfire munitions will get very expensive unless you spend a lot of time handloading.

>>33980156
Accuracy.

The heeled bullet style of the .22lr is inherently less accurate than other styles

Recoil control.

>>33980222
>the chance
even your trips can't make you right. Shooting someone isn't a thing you 'get to have' it's a thing you 'have to do'. Anyone who fantasizes about 'self-defense' is kind of creepy. Being prepared is one thing, but actively wanting it is faggotry measured in cubic parsecs.

>>33980156

I shoot milsurp so I use those big ass calibers.

god bless 7.5 swiss

>>33980156
It's fun and if you can't afford anything more than 22lr get a job.

>>33980222

> Doing so with centerfire munitions will get very expensive unless you spend a lot of time handloading.

Poor fag detected.

Fuck off you cancer trip fag.

Shooting big calibers is fun.

>>33980156
>This thread again
Take your (you) and leave.

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>>33980222
>Let's be honest. For most homeowners, putting out a fire with an extinguisher is nothing more than a Walter Mitty fantasy. Yes, there are exceptions, but the vast majority will NEVER have the chance to put out a fire.

>>33980339
I'd assume he has a job or couldn't afford anything. Just probably not a good job.

>>33980222
>people carry guns so they can get into cool gunfights
Real life isn't the movies, people carry so they can defend themselves should a situation arise.

>>33980156
>Too expensive to shoot
>.223 is 20 cents a round
>Too expensive
Holy shit how poor are you?

>>33980222
>If you are into casual competition, you only need practice with a few hundred rounds. Doing so with centerfire munitions like 9mm or .40 is very inexpensive, and you can save even more money by handloading.

>>33980156
9 may may meter and 5.56 aren't expensive rounds. hell i can afford them and i work retail

>>33980222
You know, just because you're poor doesn't mean you have to try and justify it with retardedness. Hell, I'm poor. I still see the overwhelming value of spending more on non .22 shit because of self defense reasons. I don't have a car, and I bike everywhere. Because I bike everywhere, and because I depend on that bike, I do my best to clean it and do maintenance. I carry a spare tube and pump with me, all just in case. It's the same with guns. If I had the money, I'd look into investing into a quality semi auto handgun in a decent cartridge, and train myself with it. And not just train in shooting, but also in basic medical shit, because if I'm ever in a situation where a gun is part of the equation, I'd like to have all aspects of that covered as best as I can. That means being able to treat myself and others for gun-related wounds. This isn't fantasy shit. It's real life, and there's places where people get shot and experience bad shit on a daily basis. Don't believe me? Watch your local news some day. And if you think shit like that won't happen to you, you're stupid. Getting back to my bike analogy, getting shit other than .22, even though it's more expensive, is like carrying a spare tube. You might think it's pointless until you end up having to need it. And I'd rather have it on hand than wish I did.

>>33980359
I fucking hate you and that greentext is 100% accurate

>>33980414
Well, you can't BTFO the OP any harder than that, so...

/thread

>>33980318
This
Having a self defense handgun is one of those need it and not have it vs have it and not need it type situation
Just like medical kits and fire extinguishers

Plus it also gives you a hobby, never has having a dual-purpose hobby been a bad thing

Quite frankly there is no legitimate reason to carry anything stronger than .22CB - shot placement is king.

>>33980429
No, I actually agree that the vast majority of people will never need a fire extinguisher.

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>>33980457
medikits and fire extinguishers are much less likely to put a bullet in you or your family.

>>33980558
You can bludgeon someone to death with a fire extinguisher and there's plenty of things in a med kit that can harm or kill if improperly handled

Try harder

>>33980558
Guns can't invisibly asphyxiate you by removing your oxygen.

>>33980156
variety is the spice of life. variety is the spice of life. variety is the spice of life. variety is the spice of life. variety is the spice of life. variety is the spice of life. variety is the spice of life. variety is the spice of life. variety is the spice of life. variety is the spice of life.

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>>33980156
Because you want to? Why buy a Corvette when a honda civic will get you around just fine?

>>33980617
I think everyone should have the right to own and carry a firearm, but don't pretend a sizeable number of people would ever have to use it.

I fucking hate you so much just stop being an idiot

louder booms.

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>>33980222
>the vast majority will NEVER have the chance to shoot somebody.
Maybe because they know you have weapon

Because .22 is nothing more than just a deadlier and less fun bb gun
Also if you cant afford .223 then you need a better job

There's plenty of things you can hunt with .22lr

1) .22 is adequate for self-defense. Note that I didn't say "ideal", I said "adequate". Mag dumping my 10/22 center mass is going to stop anybody not named Bruce Banner.
2) You can hunt small game just fine with .22 - squirrels, rabbits, small birds and such can all be taken with it, no problem.
3) For a first rifle to git gud with, .22 is the standard for a reason.

>>33980156
Why would you ever want less firearms anon?

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>>33980156
>so is there any reason to buy a gun in any cartridge other than 22 LR?
Umm, 22lr is boring as shit to shoot compared ton anything centerfire? It's a baby step above a pellet rifle.

>>33980721
Moose have been killed by it.

>>33980156
No, always get kids/new owners .22s first if possible. First, if you get something with a ton of kick, they won't enjoy shooting. Also, they are inevitably going to waste a ton of ammo, but by doing so they will have fun and LOVE shooting. A box of 550 rounds of .22lr is what, $35-40? Literally nothing.

A decent .22, be it a 10/22 or a bolt action will allow you to teach basic firearm safety, get them a ton of trigger time, hone their target skills, and even go hunting for groundhogs/rabbits.

Yes, a intermediate or full rifle round is more versatile, but for a beginner I can't overstate the advantages of a .22. Plus, a 10/22 or savage bolt action is $200-$400.

If you want to take them hunting deer, or just shoot other calibers share your guns with them. Their collection will grow eventually if they end up enjoying shooting.

>>33980156
>He can't afford to shoot 9mm every week.
Why though?

>>33980994
I took my new gf shooting the other day, she had never held a gun before in her life. She was super scared to even fire one, but I put her on my .22 levergun first and she didn't have that much fun because she was having trouble hitting anything. After about 50rds she could consistently pop water bottles at about 30yds, but she was very eager to try my .38 and .45. I let her blow down a box of .38 and half a box of .45, but she told me later than the .38 revolver was her favorite to shoot.

My point is that I think if she had bought a .22 for herself she wouldn't have enjoyed shooting that much at all, she didn't seem to like it that much.

>>33980156
>most car owners dont race, so is there any point to owning a car thats better than a honda civic?

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>>33981064
Fair enough, she's an adult (I hope). Give a kid a .38 and watch them shake every time they go to pull the trigger.

That said, my first gun was a 10/22 my dad got my when I turned 12. I wasted literally thousands of rounds by the time I was 13, and got a job doing yardwork for a neighbor so I could save money to buy myself a deer rifle. After literally a summer of saving my money, he took me to a gunshop to pick out a rifle, then told me to put my money away and got it for me.

My point is sure, they may end up wanting a different gun, but that doesn't mean they won't love having and shooting a .22. What do you think a kid would rather shoot? a 20 round box of .243, or 550 rounds of .22? If they enjoy shooting, they will pursue the interest beyond their first gun. If not, its not like you wasted a ton of money on it.

>I need to go call my dad
>pic related, the 10/22 and remington 700 he got me when I was little, along with our .22 target pistols.

>>33980222
I remember you. I call you the Walter Mitty guy. If I'd followed your advice, I'd be out a wallet and a car right now.

>>33980466
If we assume a 1 in 1000 chance of a kitchen fire, $60 * .999 costs less than $250000 * .001, and that's completely ignoring death and other property damage like clothing.

Buy a fucking fire extinguisher, dude. Amazon will deliver it.

>>33981339
>he doesn't have his property insured
???

>>33981351
My uncle lost a roof to a tornado. Enjoy moving in with family and replacing everything out of pocket for 3 months while the adjusters clear your shit. Hope you also have receipts for fucking everything, or at least a video of your home belongings.

You're lucky if you get 80%, and the hassle and wait to just start rebuilding probably functionally reduces it by another 30%.

>>33980222
I too save money by not buying fire extinguishers or first aid supplies.

>>33980156
>what are hobbies?

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>>33980222
>lives in white suburb

I dont.

>>33980752
1) Yeah untill it jams
2) Not everyone likes earing rodents
3) Preferences! For example, I prefer 30-30 for a learn to shoot gun. You have to not only learn trigger control, but for anything longer than 100 yards you have to learn about bullet drop.

>>33980994
I remember when 550 round boxes were less than 20 bucks. . .
I'm sad now

>>33980222
Self-defense without having to open fire is the most common weapon use. My wife did so on our rural property while I was deployed.

>>33980466
A fire extinguisher saved my workshop and a smoke detector saved my home and life.

>You can bludgeon someone to death with a fire extinguisher

Irreversible was a fun flic!

>>33981081
>>most car owners dont race, so is there any point to owning a car thats better than a honda civic?
You copied my post >>33980633
faggot

>>33980393
>>.223 is 20 cents a round

Fucking where?

>>33982669
http://gun-deals.com/list/ammo/.223%252F5.56
It's called the internet.

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>>33982709
I hate this shit, everything in retail stores is like a 200% markup from online prices.

I went into a shop looking for .45acp and this little lying fudd fuck tried to sell me a box of BLAZER for god damn $19.99. Like motherfucker, for one that's the dirtiest ammo on the market, and for two I can get a box online for $13. I countered with $15 and he was like "nahh man I have 18 in it" what a fucking rip off lying faggot. I know for a fact you don't have $18 in it and if you do you're a god damn moron.

I hate having to anticipate my range trips by a week in advance just to get a reliably decent deal on ammo.

>>33980222


We all don't live in gated communities surrounded by homosexual whites in West Hollywood like you do kike.

Im in nigger/beannersville usa

>>33982973
Everything in life is more expensive if you buy locally instead of ordering online. Why would you expect ammo to be any different?

>>33983339
>$.10/rd for .22?
>$.40/rd for .45?
>$.50/rd for .38?
>$.60/rd for x54r?
>$.50/rd for x39?
I want the convenience of being able to pick it up locally with a REASONABLE markup.

I understand the store needs to make money, I really do. Asking $.40/rd for something that can be bought at $.25/rd is outrageous. I thought my counter of $.30/rd was fair as hell, but that fudd fuck tried to tell me he had $.36/rd in it which I just plain don't believe.

>>33980222
Simply having a gun on you is one of the best deterrents for muggers.
Once there were 5 "youths" following me on my way home, I pretended to scratch an itch lifting up my shit a bit and revealing my belt holstered ccw, I looked over my shoulder for then and they turned around and were walking away fast.
What is is about a white guy with a gun that terrifies thugs so much?

>>33980156
>Most young shooters don't hunt,
from the department of statistics pulled out of your ass

exactly what are you basing your assertion on? all that personal experience you have?

>>33980633
The '17 Civic Hatchbacks now come with turbo for 174 hp. Not a corvette by any stretch, but it's a heck of a lot snappier than anyting that gets 40mpg ought to be.

>>33980156
I would like to hunt feral hogs, but I don't own any land and public land is very limited and restrictive.

>>33980222
9mm and .223/5.56mm are fairly inexpensive due to economies of scale.

>>33981064
.38 spl is a very tame round. Feels like a kitten batting your hand.

>>33980283
I don't know. Eley makes some real damn accurate 22s. Most people can't hold steady enough to make a difference.
>>33980309
22 LR has almost no recoil.
>>33980318
Oh, come on. Let's be honest here. Deep down, we all wish we were Charles Bronson. It's human nature. If it weren't, every western or action movie would be a box office flop, and many great novels would collect dust on library shelves.
>>33980326
Milsurp rifles are often in rough condition and the ammo is often corrosive. Eventually, milsurp ammo will run out, as few nations still use those old calibers.
>>33980345
You don't shoot very much, do you? I'm not talking about one-box-a-year deer hunters. I'm talking about people who shoot 500 rounds every weekend, the guys for whom practice really does make perfect.
>>33980359
That's not true. I know plenty of people who have had kitchen fires, but I don't know any gunfighters. It's also a false analogy because you have to pay for a fire extinguisher only once, when you buy it. A gun, on the other hand, costs you money every time you take it to the range. Anybody can use a fire extinguisher without practice, but a gun in the hands of a novice is worse than useless.
>>33980384
You're right. Real life isn't like the movies. Real life is BORING! I know dozens of fellow gun owners, but none of them have ever shot anybody, and most of them would be unprepared if they had to. Buying a "self defense" firearm is foolish unless you have a small fortune of disposable income to devote to training.
>>33980393
More like 30 cents a round. You'd be surprised how fast that adds up unless your gun is a safe queen.
>>33980403
Think of a gun as an investment. You'll get more of a return on that investment the more you shoot. For a given budget ammo budget of x, you will get a better return on your investment with cheaper ammo. Saving a few cents a round adds up fast when you start shooting a lot.

>>33980412
You can afford them in small quantity. How many round a month do you shoot? 100? 200? 2000?
>>33980413
It's not a matter of lacking money. It's a matter of getting more utility for your money. A combat gun makes you feel good when you buy it, but when you realize how expensive it is to practice with, it ends up sitting on your shelf unused. Eventually, you realize that you wasted money on it, and you sell it.
>And if you think shit like that won't happen to you, you're stupid
Statistically, it almost certainly won't happen to you.
>>33980457
"Having it" doesn't do you any good unless you train with it, which will cost you about as much as a second car payment.
>>33980633
I don't think a Corvette is a good investment either.
>>33980690
If you can afford 223, then you're not shooting enough.
>>33980850
Because ammo is expensive.
>>33981081
No, there isn't. Although the extra room in the Honda accord is useful.
>>33981277
Suppose I said that buying a lottery ticket is a bad investment. Someone who actually did win the lottery could say that I was giving bad advice.
>>33982188
Black holes of money.

>>33983552
>all that personal experience you have?
Yes, almost all the hunters I know are at least middle aged, and most of the young shooters I know do not hunt. I'm sure you could find some statistics out there somewhere, but even most of /k/ does not hunt.

>>33984099
>22 LR has almost no recoil.
That's the whole point.You can't learn to deal with it if you don't have it.

>>33984280
>Suppose I said that buying a lottery ticket is a bad investment. Someone who actually did win the lottery could say that I was giving bad advice.

Odds of winning the lottery: 1 in 14,000,000
Rate of violent victimization rate the US (according to the BJS): 21 In 1000

If that isn't false equivalency, I don't know what is.

>>33983581
The new honda civics are fantastic and very quick, but a new corvette will be better at everything performance related. Similarly a .22lr will kill someone just as dead as a .45 but the .45 will do it faster and be more fun. still seems like an accurate comparison to me.

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>>33984099
>>33984280

How about because we fucking can

>>33984099
>Swiss rifles
>in rough condition
Pick one
Also,
>Gp11
>corrosive
Pick one and get out faggot, you don't belong here

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>>33980156
>being this poor

>>33984551
You're not supposed to "deal with it." You're just supposed to let it kick you.
>>33984595
>Rate of violent victimization rate the US (according to the BJS): 21 In 1000
Source please.
>>33984681
You are never going to kill anyone, so it doesn't matter.
>>33984699
You're free to feed your dog with Ruth's Chris steaks too, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

>>33980222
bait thread
*farts*

>>33984774
If you can afford to shoot centerfire ammo, then you're not shooting enough. Go big or go home.

>>33984776
"No statistically significant change occurred in the rate of violent crime from 2014 (20.1 victimizations per 1,000) to 2015 (18.6 per 1,000)"

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5804

>>33984824
>he doesn't reload in bulk
Less than $.10 a round for 9mm after a couple reloads son, less for some .45 calibers if you cast your own.

>>33984280
>>33984099
Time to put your trip back on Zed.

>>33984776
>you'll never have to kill anyone
A. You don't know that. B. I probably won't have to kill anyone. But if I ever do get into that sort of situation I would prefer to have the largest and most effective caliber available to me

>>3398353
This.
Courier here. Jobs where I'm permitted to OC vs CC is night and fucking day.
>>33985144
And this.
Love being able to OC because even though I've never had to shoot anyone I like the feeling of having something hotter than a nine on me.

>>33982364
>while I was deployed
because she fucked him instead, right?