What historic gun manufacturers aren't cucked? Is it just

Browning.

Own two Marlins my great grandfather bought for my dad. It hurts to see Marlin now.

Sig, HK, CZ. The problem is that most have had to downsize, or become somewhat cucked by our bullshit laws. HK gets crap about them not importing all their funs, but the government screws them over. Same with most cool guns.

I did have a hearty kek when Beretta told Maryland where to stick it.

>>33973335

this and FN

>>33973477
>>33973497
hk and cz aren't really historic. they've been making guns for less than a century.

>>33973601
Well HK was birthed by mauser engineers that left after the war. I would also consider them to be the successors to the german small arms military manufacturing. While cz was created in 1919..... so I am 2 years off. They manufactured most of the firearms that were made for the czechs for the world wars and after.

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>>33973295
Sig's pretty based nowadays. They've invested heavily into trolling the ATF.

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>>33973682
Not that it always works out...

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>>33973696
But sometimes it does.

Kek... "Stabilizing brace"...

FN
Mossberg
Polytech/Norinco

>>33973295
Izhevsk or Arsenal AD?

>>33973647
idk man, all the companies op provided were all at least 150 years old and still operating. i mean beretta was founded in the 1500s, remington just had their bicentennial, and springfield was founded just before the 19th century. those are historic companies.

>>33973783
Isn't Izvhesk teetering on the brink of bankruptcy?

>>33973798
Isn;t it always?

>>33973798
They've always been broke. Hasn't stopped them from shitting out guns.

>>33973295
the Springfield of today has no relation to the historic government arsenal other then purchasing their records when they were shuttered. it was founded as an importer in the 70's

>>33973789
If you look for other companies that are around 150 years old in the gun industry that resemble themselves then he posted the only ones. The rest are either too young, or are shells of their former self.

>>33973295
Zastava.
SERBIA STRONK

>>33973874
i mean mauser is actually still around producing sniper rifles to this day. walther was founded in 1886 and still trucking. there's a lot of arms manufacturers that are still trucking. you just chose two companies you adore and decided to post them.

just because wernher von braun started to do research for nasa, doesn't mean the german rocket science division lasted until the 70's.

>>33973937
GOD
IS
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SERB

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>>33973874
Sig's been through a number of iterations, but they date back over 150 years. QC's had some issues in Exeter and Newington, but they've kept faith with their base.

>>33973295
Do you mean "aren't currently cucked" or do you mean "never have been cucked"?We all know what Bill Ruger did back in the 90s, but modern Ruger is pretty damn based.

>>33973961
You got me on walther, and you are correct that mauser is still producing bolts. Idk maybe it's that I was focusing on large companies. Since I am a CA fag we pretty much get no walther pistols here, and mauser doesn't interest me that much.
I wanted to post S&W but they are cucked by the hillary hole.

>>33973987
Very true. Still hard to get back together with Ruger after a betrayal like that, though. I do have to admit they make a nice wonder 9, and they really helped kickstart the .380 revival (after copycatting Lel-Tec).
>Picrelated: snappy, miserable little cunt that's nowhere near as good as a Sig P238, except on price.

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>>33974071
Forgot pic.

>>33973961
>Walther founded same year as my company.

Huh, neat. Walther has always been my favorite pistol company.

>>33973961
Doesn't sig own a part of mauser?

>>33973504
We did, too. The law was fucking bullshit and around 13,000 people physically mailed Beretta to ask them if they could tell the state to go fuck itself.

Lo and behold, Beretta didnt appreciate being treated like shit and the state lost something like 20 million in tax revenue a year.

Felt fucking good. Now we're all just waiting for the next Baltimore Riot.

>>33974071
>Helped kickstart the revival of an ineffective dog shit cartridge
Not exactly a point in their favour.

>>33973504
>>33974126
Explain please?

>>33973295
Steyr

>>33974138
Maryland passed gun control laws that would have prevented Maryland's citizens from buying most Beretta products (while exempting LEOs, of course). Beretta packed up and moved.

>>33974007
The Hillary Hole, plus the fact that S&W didn't do the same, are 2 big black marks in my book.

>>33974138
TL;DR
Maryland talks about an assault weapons ban, several Beretta firearms are on the list. Beretta warns MD that it paid $30 mill in taxes and does a significant amount of fucking business in and around MD. MD shits the bed and signs an unlawful and stupid as fuck AWB anyway.

Beretta, because they're presumably not fucking bitches, tells MD legislators where to shove it, shuts down the local plant, and scraps fucking everything, shorting the state of MD $24 mill in taxes the next year. State of MD shits itself and basically begs them to come back, Beretta tells them to go fuck themselves, and additionally tells them they'll no longer be selling to State Troopers in the state.

The AWB is still in effect. Beretta hasnt come back since. From what I'm lead to believe, the MD statie contract was picked up by S&W.

>>33974116
yeah, they sold most of their tooling to sig. but from what i know, mauser still makes barrels. even if most of them are a subsidiary of sig. kinda like how stoeger and bennelli are their own company but still owned by beretta.

>>33974193
>>33974167
Well damn, good on Beretta.

Knew there was a reason I've always hated S&W.

>>33974193
This makes me a hell of a lot happier to own a Beretta, although it came from Italy.

>>33974193
Holy shit that's based. Not that it mattered, anti gunners don't care about facts or logic, only feelings.

>>33974167
>>33974216
IIRC S&W got bought by some libcuck who built a shitty "smart" gun, added the Hillary hole and got kicked out by 2000. I don't know why they haven't removed them by now, but that's not really a reason to hate them these days.

>>33974193
>the MD statie contract was picked up by S&W

S&W continue to be sellouts, I'm definitely never buying any of their shit.

>>33973706
Now legal to shoulder again, btw

>>33975673
>Now legal to shoulder again, btw
Don't lie.

>>33973706
>that arm

>>33973295
CZ
HK
Sig
Beretta
Browning
Mossberg
Barrett
Glock
FN

Any I missed/shouldn't include?

>>33973706
Top tier AOW

>>33977444
Walther. And, while good companies, Glock and Barrett are in no way historic.

>>33973295
>>33977444
S&W. Yeah, there's the Hillary Hole, but it's not that big of a deal, and they still have a full line of modern firearms and sell them to civilians. Most if not all are still made in America, too.

Also Walther, but afaik they're not that old of a company either.

Winchester

>>33977847
>hillary hole isn't a big deal
like saying mag caps, bullet buttons and "assault features" aren't a big deal either

>>33973789
>springfield was founded just before the 19th century
No it wasn't. They're the youngest company on the list.

>>33977311
It's true.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/foghorn/atf-its-legal-to-shoulder-an-ar-15-pistol-equipped-with-an-sb-tactical-arm-brace/

>>33977828
>First widely adopted striker fired, polymer handgun that has 75% market share to this day
>First commercial shoulder fired light .50
>Not historic
Being relatively young companies doesn't mean they can't be historic.

>>33977864
I get what you're saying, but at least it doesn't impede functionality or remove features like those other things do.

I actually think it's a decent enough idea, I can see the logic in having an integrated lock, though I'm not totally convinced by the implementation and don't support the political reasons they added it. At least it's relatively easy to remove.

>>33977425
I want to slide an IV in him so bad...

>>33975673
No one cared if it was legal or not before and they don't care now

>>33977888
glocks and barrets can't even be considered curios and relics yet, and somehow they're historic.

>>33977444
Winchester

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>>33973295
>got the Henry catalog in the mail the other day
>it's the same gun ".22 golden boy" 50 times by with different "limited engravings" all +$1000
>literally everything from fire fighter to mailman editions

>>33979473
>tfw go into what is supposed to be "largest gun store in the state"
>700 hundred variations of camo fudd shit with 300 of those ugly faux gold Henry rifles in the middle
>all they have as far as ammo is a tiny square 3 foot tall shelf that is like a foot long on each side and only has .45, .22, 54r, and .223 on it

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Zastava. They still had to do with some pretty sktchy business.

Is Henry (I know it is from the 80s) a good company or a cuck company?

>>33979518
>faux gold
It's brass you stupid ape

>>33979584
Good, though autists screech about them not using loading gates.

>>33979584
MADE IN USAAAA

>>33979588
Yeah so faux gold

>>33979611
Lets not get carried away here friend, they are made in New Jersey

>>33979518
Fucking this, why are gun stores so fucking shit nowadays

>>33979955
Because with the power of the internet anyone that's actually interested in guns can whatever super specific gun they want. Modern gun stores now exist to price gouge Cletus who's too retarded to internet his ammo for duur huntin.

>izhmash
>cz
>radom
>savage
>browning/FN
>cugir
>zastava

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>>33973295
FB Radom

>>33979518

>faux gold

Isnt that brass?

>>33978844
>Being relatively young companies doesn't mean they can't be historic.

>>33979675
so brass cased cartridges are faux gold cartridges?

>>33984568
yes

I can appreciate that half this thread has turned into:
> "Beretta: Because you don't get to be 500 years old by fucking around"
I am seriously saving my pennies for whatever bash they throw in 7 years for the official anniversary.
>tfw you want to take your 92 A1 to the place of it's birth on the anniversary but euro gun laws would make it impossible.
Just a small piece would be enough, but I don't want to risk losing part of my first pistol, or the whole thing.

>>33973295

>>Springfield is kill

What exactly did Springfield do? I heard people ragging on them recently for selling out; but I never found out why.

>What historic gun manufacturers aren't cucked?

Walther? Fabrique Nationale?

>>33985407
They supported a lobbyist group that supported a gun law in Illinois that made a board to appoint FFLs (in short, you may have an FFL on a federal level but if the state doesn't like you, fuck you; it also creates a significant bottleneck because said board is like, 8 people from what's been said) and the bill rather conveniently went from FFLs AND manufacturers to just FFLs right after the donation.

Rock River Arms did the same thing.
>>33973295
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Shit and Whoresons support of the micro stamping BS for California.
The Hillary hole may go, but that will forever stain their name.

>>33973295
I hope you weren't referring to Springfield of Geneseo, because they're not the same thing as THE Springfield Armory. Those motherfuckers have been dead since '68.

Geneseo Springfield did commit company suicide, but they by no means are a historic gun manufacturer.

>>33973798
Bankruptcy never stopped Colt from continuing to abort guns onto the market.

>>33977856
modern winchesters are all made by fn and miroku

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