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Remove the f/a and replace the fixed rear sight with a picatinny

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Remove the f/a and replace the fixed rear sight with a picatinny rail and you've got the ultimate infantry rifle. There is literally nothing that can beat it.
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>>33970710
So seeing how the A2 "upgrade" wasn't good. What should have been done to the A1 to upgrade it?
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>>33970860
see
>>33970710
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You don't touch the carrying handle. You don' touch the forward assist. All work should be internal mechanisms. There was a reason it was popular to use salvaged gook guns: shitty reliability.
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>>33970860
>Remove f/a
>Add brass deflector and mag release fencing, these were actually decent upgrades
>Replace rear sight with rail, make front sight flip down
>Give it a CAR-15 style collapsible stock
That's it
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>>33970710

>remove full auto

Literally why.
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>>33970896
he meant forward assist i presume
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>>33970896
t. Civilian
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>>33970896
They tried to change the gun to compensate for the shit draft-tier training they had to work with, so rather than training soldiers to keep the giggle switch off or fire controlled bursts they just made it impossible for them to go full retard.
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>remove f/a
Fucking anons and their faggy memes, I swear to God.
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>>33970913
>>33970911
Yeah i meant the forwards assist. But yeah, flat top, no forward assist is the optimal setup.
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>>33970886
Those are pretty good.

The only things I'd do personally is to put modern plastic furniture on it (colored in Foliage Green), MagPul handguards and CTR stock, then a BCM Mod 0 pistol-grip, lightweight and comfortable.

I do favor fixed carryhandles a lot though.
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>>33970913

I understand the basic premise why full auto was removed, but I don't agree with it. I know the reasoning, that soldiers were spraying rounds on full-auto, wasting ammunition in Vietnam. But if you're fighting in a jungle, then sometimes that sort of behavior is justified. Read about the Pacific Theater in WW2. Marines would constantly fire at trees and other potential hiding places to counter Japanese snipers. Whenever they suspected a sniper might nearby, they would just destroy all nearby foliage by shooting at it until there was nowhere left for the sniper to hide. So why is that same sort of behavior suddenly wrong for Vietnam?
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>>33970710
stop shilling yourself Karl
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>>33971130
Because 5.56 is absolute shit at dealing with foliage, so using that tactic would just be a waste of ammo.
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>>33971130

Retarded leadership and sour grapes.
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>>33970942
Even Eugene Stoner thought the f/a was fucking retarded.
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>>33970710
>>33970886
Basically this.

and wood furniture. Purely cosmetic choice i admit.

why remove forward assist tho??
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>>33971082
>no forward assist
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>>33971263
>>33970942
f/a-s makes jams worse than they have to be since forever.
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>>33971205
>>33971205

Bullshit. 5.56 isn't going to underperform compared to WW2 submachine guns. Unless you're claiming that .45 ACP is more powerful than 5.56, in which case you're a retarded fudd.
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>>33971254
It's dead weight at best, and has the potential to fuck up your rifle even worse at worst.

If your rifle isn't going into battery for any reason that just pulling back the charging handle won't fix, than trying to ram the round in will probably end with an even worse problem like a failure to extract.
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/arg/ is still up, what's the point of another AR circlejerk thread?
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>>33971280
It would severely under preform 30-06 against brush thought.

Fast, light boolits tend to have a really hard time against foliage.
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>>33971205
That's part of why the A1 was so effective.
The 55gr bullet coming out of the 1:12 twist barrel is just barely stabilized. It tumbles once it hits pretty much anything and leaves gory wounds in its wake.
Once bullet weights got heavier and barrel twists tighter, 5.56 started to rely on fragmentation instead, and that's a losing proposition past a few hundred yards - even moreso with ever shorter barrels
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>>33971324

Thompson submachine guns were used against foliage in addition to BAR's and Garands. There really isn't any reason why an M16 would be less suitable.
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>>33970710
nyet
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>>33971338

This is all very true. The 5.56 was really designed to be used in a 20-inch barrel.
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if an M4 has just semi or 3 round burst all you have to do to make it auto is tie a string on part in the lower receiver that stops the rounds.. i forget the name of the part maybe disconnector it's been 5 years since i was in.
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>>33970710

Took me a second to realize that wasn't an attachment on the front sight.
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>>33971277
not always, just depends on the situation.

When I was in the Army I remember many long days at the range firing on burst doing reactive fire and shit, firing around 2000+rds plus with no cleaning. Around 1000rds it'd start not seating all the way. I'd be forced to start using the FA just to get the round to seat on every other magazine or so, also pour clp into it to keep it running.

It could make a jam worse, but if your weapon is just dirty as shit from lots of firing. Of course I guess you could just cycle another round. So I don't know, I'm kinda iffy on whether there should be one or not.
Obviously if it's been cleaned and you;re on your 2nd magazine, you shouldnt be hitting the forward assist.
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>>33970942
It's pointless, a reciprocating charging-handle would make way more sense.

>>33971130
Full-auto has utility, the M4A1 has it, but a full-length rifle is best used in semi-auto 9 times out of t10, even the M4A1 is.

I think Safe/Semi/Full is the very best for service rifles and carbines though.
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>>33971462
Realistically speaking though how often would you go through over 1000 rounds without cleaning outside of training?

Honest question, never been in the military but I figured you'd be a bit more on point with cleaning in the field.
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>>33971205
Well that's what you have your GPMG for.

>>33971280
>>33971374
Because the lighter bullet has a harder time with barrier penetration, a heavy bullet pushes through light cover or foliage with a lot less issue.

Think of 5.56mm and drywall, it's not a strong barrier, but the projectile, while fast, is also very lightweight, and easily stops or seriously slows down when entering drywall.

Meanwhile, pistol bullets like 9mm Luger, .40S&W and .45ACP, have considerably heavier projectiles, that while not even close to as fast, carries through a media like drywall very easily, while typically maintaining much more velocity.

Then translate it to foliage, a pistol bullet or a much heavier rifle bullet will have a much easier time penetrating it while not being disrupted, the light rifle bullet can easily have it's course veer and miss, or with particularly heavy foliage, deflect or even stop.
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>>33971469

There are definitely times that full-auto has utility when you're fighting in a jungle environment. I know that it doesn't get used as much nowadays, but that's because you're fighting in desert, mountain areas where long-range accuracy is king. In Vietnam it simply wasn't like that. It was pretty much the exact opposite.
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>>33971518
honestly, probably never, but I know in Iraq that moon dust got all in my weapon from not even doing anything.
I cleaned my weapon once a day it was so bad. But who knows, you might not have the time, moon dust gets in your weapon, now you're in a firefight, and now your rounds wont seat all the way.
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>>33971533
If you have sand in your chamber though the absolutely last thing you'd want to do is force the bolt forward.
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>>33971549
>sand
I mean moon dust. Like talcum powder consistency.
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rifle is fine
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>>33971247
Eugene Stoner also didn't think chrome was needed for the bores. Kalashnikov thought 5.45 was retarded and 7.62x39 was perfectly fine. Your reasoning is shit.
>>33971277
>f/a-s makes jams worse than they have to be
Once again, anon and his shitty memes.
>>33971281
>It's dead weight at best
It weighs next to nothing
> and has the potential to fuck up your rifle even worse at worst.
Shitty. fucking. memes.
>If your rifle isn't going into battery for any reason that just pulling back the charging handle won't fix
You dumbfuck, the whole point of the FA is so you don't have to go through all the bullshit of using the CH and just pushing a button with your thumb. It takes a fraction of the time and isn't nearly as awkward or as disruptive to the shooter's aim. But no, you eme-spewing twats get all of your info from youtube and think the only reason a bolt won't go into battery is because claw got gummed into the chamber and that the FA is some sort of self-destruct button.
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Here's what the M16A5 needs to have

>folding telescopic (M4) stock
>folding front sight
>piston system instead of shitting where you eat
>actual select fire instead of the burst meme

What else?
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>>33971572
>claw
clay*
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>>33971575
or just replace the A4 and M4 with the M27
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>>33971549
Then your weapon is KIA anyways so what's the point? If something is making the bolt have difficulty going forward that is by no means evidence that trying to make the bolt clear the obstruction will make it worse or that you shouldn't even bother to try getting it into battery. FTEs can happen for a whole number of reasons, many of which a simple press of the forward assist could rectify. That's why SPORTS is a thing.
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>>33970710
>remove forward assist
>minimalist stock for top memes
>remove carry handle but keep fixed rear, and either have a short length of picatinny (rather than full flat top) or come up with a different mounting to be able to throw on a scope if need be if we're pretending to be in the 60s
>18" pencil barrel
>mag release fence
>sling loops along 9 o clock side of rifle like ak rather than on the bottom like a fudd
>2" long flash hider
guaranteed replies
>mod the minimalist stocks to hold an extra 20 rounder along where the slant of the stock would be since vietnam was the birthplace of mall ninja faggotry
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>>33971631
>anything less than "20 for 5.56

that would be a disaster especially with the ammo back then
kill yourself
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>>33971572
>Eugene Stoner also didn't think chrome was needed for the bores
I'm pretty sure the developmental versions of the AR10 and AR15 featured chromed bores at times.
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>>33971575
>le piston becuz poop were u eat XD
Mouthbreather begone.
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>>33970710
>Remove the f/a

Why tho? Just teach your combat monkeys not to allways use it like som band och middle eastern terrorists.
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M193 wasn't nearly as pitiful from a short barrel as M855 is.

For modern times, we have Mk.262
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>>33971668
f/a means forwards assist, not full auto
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>>33971668
Forward-assist, you goon, not full-auto.
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>>33971664
*jams*
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>>33971657
The whole justification for the Whiz Kids nixing the request for chrome lined bores was that Stoner never had it implemented. It wasn't until serial 800,000 was reached that the bores ever started being chromed.
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>>33971664
>not wanting a better system that you dont have to clean as often
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>>33970710
This thread again
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>>33971701
b-but it's self cleaning...
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>>33971685
*introduces unnecessary parts because of internet memes*
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>>33970869

Why keep the forward assist? The original design didn't have it, Eugene stoner didn't want it, it doesn't serve a purpose
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>>33971680
>>33971682

Oh, Well then it makes a bit more sense at least.
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>>33971727
whats with all the DI apologists?
is it nostalgia?
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>>33971729
You really need to suckstart a 12 gauge. Do it.
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>>33971701
>>33971685
>I don't understand the expanding gas system of the AR15 but I will say that it's Direct Impingement and then regurgitate H&K marketing

http://www.slip2000.com/blog/s-w-a-t-magazine-filthy-14/
This rifle hads a roundcount of +40000rds by 2010 without ever being cleaned and it still works without failing.

You can let the inside of your bolt-carrier look like fucking Pompeii and it won't affect function.
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>>33971729
better to have it and not need than need it and get shot dead because some internet tough guy said you didn't need it
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>>33971729
The only time I can think of when you'd want it is if you for some reson needs to charge your rifle silently.
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Friendly reminder
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>>33971729
Apparently it does in combat.

Why does it trigger your autism? You just want a toy that goes bang, not a tool for war, so admit that then build what you want to play with.

No matter how many weapons you buy to cosplay, you'll never be anything but a larper, but try hard not to remember that.
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>>33971742
It's understanding how it fucking works and not buying into German memes.
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>>33971759
>>33971754

I love ARs and intend to get one, but every other gun seems to do fine without a forward assist
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>>33971763
>implying I give a fuck about the 416
Piston AR's perform better in stress tests than DI ones, it's just reality
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>>33971762

I think you are confusing me with someone else anon, I don't have a problem with the forward assist, I'm just wondering what the reasoning for keeping it is
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>>33971752

Yeah, I guess thats why pretty much no other rifle on the planet uses that system...
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>>33971774
No, not measurably.
>heavier
>inherently less accurate
>inherently more recoil
>considerably more expensive
>CARRIER TILT

All for the privilege of a slightly cooler gun that's easier to detail clean (something which isn't really necessary on a gas operated rifle of any kind, unless you shoot corrosive).
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>it's another "parrot Ian's opinion in a vain attempt to impress people with my knowledge on an anonymous image board"

And let me guess, Hickok45 is great and James Yeager is a faggot. A-am I fitting in??
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>all these people falling for HK marketing

I bet these dullards fall for other dumb shit like shake weights.
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>>33971795
Because the short-stroke piston works well in a rifle that's designed for it. Shoved into an AR15 it's a mess at best.

If you're doing the same gas system as the AR15, you might as well just use an AR15, and that's what people do, why do you think it's economy of scale has grown so unfathomably large? Because it's a great rifle and people recognize it, civilian and police use it everywhere when possible, and special forces frequently make use of it as well.
But there's this national pride thing so many countries just build some sort of AR18 because if they just built an AR15 then everyone would just think M16 clone. They also think the higher pricetag and the folding stock is worth it.

A purpose built AR18 clone is good, an AR15 is generally better, and an AR18 piston in an AR15 is a forced meme.
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Cleaning AR locking lugs is the bane of my existence. Don't have anything to add, I just wanted to say that
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>>33971829
>implying Yeager isn't a faggot
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>>33971624
SPORTS is a thing because retard POGs are a thing. It remedies not seating the mag, and riding the bolt forward.
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>inb4 but what about if you have to emerge from a body of water like a cool navy seal in an action movie? it could happen to you!
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>>33970942
>tear drop forward assist.
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>>33970710
Well you could keep the modern reinforcements to the lower receiver, as well as using a push-pin for the front pivot pin.

>>33970886
basically this, I would add if they want more rigidity or cooling they could make it fluted.
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>>33971082
>>33970942
Forward assist isn't hurting anything and it's extra idiot proofing in case they assemble the rifle without the recoil spring in place. They have a push-pin for the front pivot pin now so it's less of a problem, but the tooling is already there for modern flat top uppers, just use it as-is.
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>>33971469
> a reciprocating charging-handle would make way more sens
Oh good, now we have side charging advocates on top of the pistonfags in this thread.
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>>33971085
They would want an aluminum handguard because they have IR lasers they want to remain accurate.
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>>33971850
>because retard POGs are a thing
Sounds like a great reason to keep the f/a, famalam.
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>>33971338
>>33971420
the twist rate stabilization thing is a yet-unproven meme at this point.

what have you to back up your assertions?
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>>33971906
Yeah, MLok can pull quad-rail duty at lower weight (while being easily free-floated), which is desirable, but I was talking about personal preference at that point, and I like plastic handguards and fixed carryhandles, I don't use optics or really much other stuff.
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>>33971926
Even then, it focuses on the earlier fielded ARs with 1:14 barrels. The A1 with its 1:12 barrel shot M193 perfectly fine.
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>>33971829
>implying Ian isn't parroting my opinion
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>>33971776
tooling is already there and it's not hurting anything if you aren't a retard
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>>33971277
>makes jams worse
>jams

I was using weapons from the AR family when you were still using diapers. You obviously have no fucking idea what you're talking about, so we're done here, sport.
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>>33971839
it's helpful for suppressors, that's about it.

the SOF SBRs might be worthwhile converted to piston operation

like a piston MK18
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>tfw no guns as fuck
>tfw want a SP1 so bad because it's the most aesthetically pleasing rifle ever made
Would it be a bad first gun to buy? I've shot M4/AR's plenty of times so I'm really comfortable with them
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>>33971988
It would be a fantastic first gun to buy.

If you don't care what the /arg/ guys think of it you could even buy one with modern features, like the lower receiver reinforcments, the front pivot pin not being a screw, and having a brass deflector.

You probably won't mind not having those things if you aren't left-handed though.
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>>33971988
>The single best version of the AR ever made
>Bad first gun
Not at all
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>>33971988
>>33971998
also the FCG pins might be larger than modern fire control groups.

that might be an annoyance if you want to put a better trigger in it.
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>>33971338
>past a few hundred yards

Like the average Joe can regularly hit shit at 300M, or beyond, when the target is a full silhouette size, let alone while it's moving, at a knee, or in the prone.

Average marksmanship starts dropping off pretty dramatically at about 200M, and beyond 300M it's shit for the overwhelming majority of any given military. Conventional forces just don't shoot often enough to develop and maintain proficiency.
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>>33971919
I'm not the anon you were originally talking to, but yes, barring any other value, retard POGs is a legitimate reason to keep the f/a.
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>>33971988
Switch the M16A1 and the M16A2 around and it'll be correct
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>>33972093
If anything the A2 needs to be at the very top.
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>>33972098
Nah mang, the A2 is aesthetic as fuck.
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>>33972106
The A2 is a direct downgrade to the A1, it's an abomination that should have never existed
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>>33971549


Beats being shot in the face because your rifle wont chamber?
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>>33972031


Irrelevant. You will be shooting a the enemy for effect at range- why do you want your bullets to be shooting to wound at that range?

Because it ties up 2 guys for ever 1 wounded?

kek
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>>33971766
wow its almost like almost every other gun has a reciprocating charging handle or at least a way to force the bolt home otherwise
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>>33972118
It is largely inferior but the aesthetics are good.
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>>33971766
Probably because those guns have reciprocating charging handles...guess what the forward assist allows the AR to do despite that absence?
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>>33971533
Lol how about you just close the dust cover dude.
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>>33972160
Not really, they look way too busy compared to the minimalist sleek design of the A1.
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>>33972118
I don't care, I still think it's cooler than the A1. I'm currently saving up for an A2 clone project.
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>>33972143
>Irrelevant.

No, not irrelevant. Retards were creating an issue that didn't exist. If you don't land a good shot on target, it doesn't matter what round you use.

5.56 is accurate, weighs about half as much as 7.62, and it killed everybody I needed it to, whenever I needed to kill them, and that's all that matters.
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>>33972146
>>33972174
The G3 would like a word...
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>>33972143
>le shooting to wound
Stop posting.
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>>33972118
>>33972160

In what way is it inferior?
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>>33971277
only if you are a retard and dont know when to use forward assist, it isnt meant to clear jams it is meant to get a bolt that is out of battery slightly to seat into battery
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>>33972381
Or the FAL.
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>>33972177
>LOL WOW I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT BRO!!! LMAO!!!!

that was implied. Even with the dust cover closed, that dust will get everywhere inside your rifle.

Sprinkle talcum powder all over your dust cover and trigger and see how much ends up inside the rifle
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>>33972569
>three round burst makes a shit trigger and proper full auto training is better, burst is for machinepistols
>faux hbarrel profile that adds weight but doesn't really give you proper hbarrel benefits
Otherwise I like the new sights, and while I hate the feel of the round handguards, they look very nice I think.

Making the FCG like an A1, and either using the older pencil profile barrel, or going for a proper hbarrel.
Forward assist could be dumped for weight too.
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>>33971575
M8 b8

DGI and piston are perfectly fine. One isn't cleaner than the other it just gets another part of the gun dirty
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>>33973015
could make the HBAR profile a fluted profile and not put the M203 cuts in it, switch to canadian style where there is more material left for the grenade launcher mount
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>>33973187
Yeah, the Canadians have some good ideas about M16s actually.
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>>33970710
Take your A4-gery and fuck off, faggot.
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can somebody tell me about the A1 HBARs?
they're this weird-ass combo of an A1, an M60, and a SAW, and nobody ever talks about them. why? it seems as though they would've been to good effect.
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>>33973955
How's a flat-top A1 style rifle at all like an A4?
Aside from the flat-top part.

>>33974016
The expanding gas action of the AR15 is inherently very accurate and very light in recoil, BUT, due to the fact that gas is taken into the BCG (it acting like it's own piston), heat would build up really quite fast with many long bursts and sustained fire, something you need to be able to do with a light support weapon.

There was various ideas on working around this, one involved a quick-change barrel assemblies with the accompanying gas-tube, and to make for better capacity, the idea was three 30rd mags attached together for quick reloading, (there's a picture of it somewhere.)

This all SORT OF functioned, but it just is fucking terrible when compared to a proper belt-fed weapon like the M60.
Having a piston and firing from an open bolt is really very appealing for a support weapon, due to heat, quick-change barrels is a good idea as well.
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>>33971729
There is actually a procedure outlined in one of the older M-16 manuals where if the gun becomes submerged, which obviously can happen in the jungle, you pull the charging handle back slightly to let air in the chamber to allow the barrel to drain, then you let the bolt ride forward and push the forward assist to make sure it's in battery. A .22 caliber barrel is small enough that water will not reliability drain out on it's own because of surface tension. Firing a bullet into a barrel full of water will almost certainly cause a kaboom. So yeah, the forward assist does have a reason to exist.
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>>33974183
Fuck I'm tired, I left out a part.

You can have quick-change barrels and even have the gun fire from an open-bolt, but ultimately the AR15 will get it's bolt quite hot from a lot of firing, so just putting a heavy barrel and a bipod on an M16A1 just isn't going to be really all that useful, at least not as a SAW or LSW
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>>33972188
>A2 cooler than the A1

Sorry about your shit taste. Look inward, you know it to be true.
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>>33974357
Sorry I'm not a normie and like the A1, it's just boring to me.
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>>33971748
The undertail fag knows best apparently.

He's right, forward assist is pointless.
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>>33974377
It's fine if you like the looks better, but you should know that the A2 was full of retarded design revisions.
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>>33971988
It would be a great first buy but an expensive one. You can build a clone for aroung 900~1.2k or buy a used one for 1.5k~2.5K. Either way its a fun light rifle
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>>33974685
>people who are paid more than me and know what they're doing do something I don't like it's retarded.
Pottery.
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>>33971533
If you let your rifle go 1,000 rounds between cleaning then you deserve every jam you receive. Even just adding some oil is plenty to keep an AR going.
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>>33976495
The fact it even has that buttfuck retarded burst cam is evidence enough the A2 was a cockup.
>thinking Marines are above retardation
>ever
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>>33971729
>hurr Ian and Karl said this is bad so it must be!
Kill yourself anon
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>>33971752
>It has been lubed generously with Slip 2000 Extreme Weapons Lube (EWL).

Sure, we dip it in detergent oil every 5 mags, but it's still technically never been cleaned :^)
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>>33972381
the g3 doesn't even have a lrbho
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>>33970710
toooooo looooooong
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>>33977743
Stop being a manlet.
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>>33976495
>changes pushed for by marines
>arguably the dumbest fucks in the armed forces
TOP MEN
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>>33977693
Yeah and it remains filthy as shit.
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>>33970710
>>33970710
>fixed rear sight
Just because it's module doesn't mean that isn't fixed. It's adjustable. Try handling a gun with a fixed sight sometime. Adjustable sights don't have any marking signs for where you think the sweet spot is when you sight it in unless you add some paint, tape, or something when you think you got it in the right spot for that.
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>>33978822
>Just because it's module
modular &583902798gadhpj

Not that I've handled an a1 but most models are fairly similiar.
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>>33971988
>>33971998
If you're comfortable with the AR platform, the 20" M16A1 style platform is the platform as it was designed to be. You can always get another upper to tactiqueer up later.
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>>33977578
>They're popular so they must be wrong
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>tfw like the A2 more
>tfw would want an A1 if it had the fun switch

rising storm 2 is showing me just how shit 20 round mags of 5.56 are
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>>33974307
this reminds me of that HK416 vs M4 video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMH94PuT_I
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>>33971423
Enjoy your hammer follow

Might work for 3-rnd burst.
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>>33971423
>>33980122
I think it'd probably be an easier achievement to remove the burst-cam mechanism from the FCG instead.
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>>33979074
no it's not because the 20rd mags don't actually hold 20 rounds, the devs had the idiotic idea of removing the 30rd option and stuck the 20rd mags with only 18 "sekirit historical documintz )))))))))"
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>>33981075
The assets for the 30-round magazines are still in the game. I bet someone will make a mod that adds them back in and can be downloaded and enabled by server admins.
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>>33981153
While you're correct, my real issue is the fact that the American's don't even get full 20 round magazines.
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>>33981254
Yea, the M16A1 feels lacking compared to the AK.
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>>33981261
They're both kind of shitty to be honest, nothing like I was expecting after RO2/Rising Storm. The BAR and Thompson were more controllable than either, and that's without the foregrips. It says a lot when the M16 has you pointing at the moon after 5 rounds, the AK is basically Counter Strike at that point.
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>>33981075
That's kind of an asinine interpretation of that.

The original Army issued 20rd mags would absolutely fit 20rds of 5.56mm, they were just made really cheap and to only feed 20rds ever, so you'd chuck them in the field; disposable mags.

Logistics and MacNamara autism didn't really make that a realistic goal though, so you'd better keep them and reuse them because it's that or no mags at all.
Since the springs wore down horribly after it's initial factory load being expended, you'd have to progressively download it like 2 rounds, so after 20 rounds factory, you'd have to load it 18 rounds next time, and then 16 rounds, and so on, until it gave up. These would later be cycled out with the implementation of the M16A1, using proper reusable magazines.

To actually implement this in a videogame and have it make sense, you'd have to randomize the players mags or give you a chance to instead of getting a full 20 round mag, you'd maybe get 18, 16 or less, but then you should also inform the player that this has transpired, instead of leaving the player in the dark.

Or you'd have some kind of event where you get ammo and you'd get a random mix of factory loaded magazines, and then empty mags with cardboard boxes of M193 for you to load, the roll of the dice basically determining how many rounds you should get to load (and then maybe you keep the left over cartridges in your pockets for spares).
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>>33970860
the a2 was an excellent advancement of the m16 with the exceptions of the barrel profile and the switch to burst. literally everything else changed was an improvement.

the sight was improved and fully adjustable at the rear for both windage and elevation once the FSP was zeroed
the grip improved for something like 95% of users (so naturally the a1 grip attracts retards and snowflakes)
the handguard improved ergonomically for most, prevented heat from impacting the user as quickly and improved heat dissipation, and was much more durable.
the stock length was more comfortable for most users (now it's too long with armor but that wasn't the case or even a concern at the time and can't really be called a flaw in the advancement so much as a failure of the dod to make subsequent advancements as necessary)
the muzzle device displayed similar flash reduction performance while kicking up much less dust about the user and acting to some minor degree as a compensator
the forward assist had a much less grabby profile
reinforcement added at a primary point of lower receiver failure
larger brass deflector improved ambidextrous use

>>33971205
i really think you overestimate the amount of ballistic protection offered by shrubbery.

>>33971572
>Eugene Stoner also didn't think chrome was needed for the bores
which is true. he did however think the extension should be chromed.
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NYET! OP is little blyat.
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>>33978467
>Marines.
>Invented most modern combat doctrine.
Retard confirmed.
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>>33981441
yes I know about that tl;dr history but making that a fucking gameplay mechanic is imbecilic to the nth degree
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>>33977470
>Retarded burst cam.
So 150,000 rounds per causality is not retarded?
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>>33977470
>A1 gets hundreds of GI' s killed.
>A2 still in service, burst cam in M4.
How's does it feel to be wrong.
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>>33981915
Everyone and their mother knows the reason the S10 was shit was because of the shitty surplus powder that didn't cleanly burn that the rifle was not made for.
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>>33982037
>S10
A1*
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>>33981652
>poverty rifle

>>33981687
Yes, they are complete fucking tards and they are just glorified infantry, why every muhreen thinks they're special forces is beyond me.

>>33981898
Are you fucking MacNamara? Are we gonna count the rounds? Yeah it can take a lot of fucking fire on average per casualty, welcome to the 20th, and now the 21st century, welcome to Modern Warfare
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>>33981617
>the grip improved for something like 95% of users
No one but babyhands like the A2 grip, which is why grinding down the nub was such a fuckcommon practice.
>reinforcement added at a primary point of lower receiver failure
Literally a fix for an issue that didn't exist.
>the forward assist had a much less grabby profile
See above, it was made round just because it was cheaper to machine it that way. Look it up.
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