"You should buy a glock, man." > NO GET AWAY!!!!

>>33959411
No, I live in Sweden :(

>>33959411
>DELET_THIS.jpg

If one were going to Glock which Glock should one Glock first?

Which is the best Glock of the Glocks?

>>33959411
No, i live in the Netherlands :(

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>>33959436
> One that has a safety and doesnt explode

>>33959436
19

>>33959411
You could just shoot them if you had a Glock.

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>>33959411
I don't understand why you wouldn't buy a glock. You'll argue that they're ugly tupperware guns, which I'll agree with to some extent.

But, they're damn reliable, laser accurate, and you won't give a shit if it ends up in an evidence locker.

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>>33959411
of course

everyone into guns will be mobbed by glock peasants sooner or later

glock faggots still haven't realized that there are other polymer handguns on the market so the only thing they've ever used is a glock

>MUH GLOCK PERFECTION
>MUH GLOCK TRIGGER AINT SHIT IT'S ACTUALLY GREAT GUIS I'M NOT GOOD WHEN I SWITCH OVER TO A DIFFERENT GUN

well that's because u have conditioned yourself to use a shit gun u glock fanboi

give them a couple decades more to come around- glock fanboi retards still think their only real competition is the 1911 museum piece.

>>33959411
posting pol memes is against the rules

>>33959530
>spend multiple entire two-week paychecks on a gun
>you won't care if it ends up in an evidence locker

>>33959558
Sounds like you should get a better job, son.

$450 new, or you can get used models for very cheap.

>>33959544
Those dubs seriously make me reconsider my actions now, thanks for the tip Anon!

>>33959624
explain dubs to me I see everyone talking about that

>>33959558
You need to find a better job man

>>33959411
my favorite part is how glockfags think that thing on the trigger is some sort of safety

>>33959670
Well ill tell you newfriend!
Dubs are when your post number ends with 2 numbers that are exactly the same!
Trips are the same but its with 3 repeating numbers, and quads aswell!

>>33959411
>Austrian
>Pretty much germany
The gun of /pol/ folks

I have one and I'm looking for another gun, Every store I go into has nothing but glocks and M&P's. it fucking sucks. I don't want another striker fire piece of tupperware.

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I dont care for glocks because theyre so shallow.
There's no history behind them or anything.
> fite me

>>33959558
Anon the guy paying you $2 a day to pick coffee beans is not a good employer.

>>33959720
Yeah, why settle for reliability, simplicity, and affordability?

>>33959411
>limp wrists it while getting shot at
>dies
Fuck Cluck

>>33959411
Shot a glock 43 for the first time yesterday. Wow glock is shit. I don't think I have any interest in even shooting someone else's glock now.

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>>33959411

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>>33959816
> not noticing hammer isnt even down.
You have to high intensity austismo to post here dued

>>33959797
because I already did you illiterate cocksucker. Now I want something that actually feels good in the hand and doesn't have a dogshit trigger.

>>33959899
> this is gonna turn into a get thread
Buy a used usp or a jericho 941 for some ANIMU A E S T H E T I C S

No, because I never asked someone else to choose what I should carry. If you don't hang out with chodes or ask for recommendations it doesn't happen.

>>33959411
I cant go into gun stores anymore without running into some kind of fan boy
>hey man im looking for X
>what, naww buddy you want an HK, 1911,GLOCK, SIG SAUER
>no I really want what I asked you for, do you have any I can look at
>rolls his eyes and pouts the entire time like a fucking child, like im making his day worse

it baffles me how some of these places stay open, but then I see the fudds and/or mall ninjas that come in and it makes sense

>>33960038
> he doesnt buy hk pistols
Its like you didnt even grow up playing vidya games or watch action movies.

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>>33959558
Kek poorfags are so funny

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>>33959411
I own a few purely becuase of how practical they are. I think they are actually good looking, I like a nice Beretta or HK or 1911 more in terms of aesthetics but you cant deny the practicality of glocks. Theyre more tools then funs to me though. I look at them like I do a pocket knife or a power tool. they do a job I need and thats it

>>33959558
>Only having one

Wow, I'm starting to understand my Glock privilege

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>>33959411
Ive never found a glawk that wasnt physically painful for me to hold.
Like if i actually grip the fucker it hurts.
I like the idea of practicality first tho.
Was thinking about trying out the full size diamond back pistols...i carry the little pocket db9 and its uncomfortable and painful to shoot but thats to be expected from a mouse gun in full 9mm that weighs 11oz.

>>33959436
Carry? 19.

Pocket carry? 43.

I fail to see why would you want a glock for anything else.

>>33959776
Made me laugh, kek

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>had a glock 18 for years as my ccw
>going to upgrade to something more special snowflake just because I can and want to
>no fucks given this is (slightly above middle class) living

>>33959411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALveW3PVGkE

I don't like glocks, I acknowledge that they're a fine firearm but everybody has preferences. I just wish people would stop trying to get me to buy one just before accusing me of the fan boy.

>>33960282
>shits on Glocks
>shills Diamondback

holy fuck.

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>>33959538
Wow, nice idea for couple sucide...
Thanks for the backup idea, maybe it will come in handy one day ;3

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>>33960363
I didnt shit on glock you dusty old fanboy.
They just arent compatable with my hands.

>>33959830
>expecting a subcompact to shoot nicely

>>33960394
get a gen 2.

>>33960397
> hes never shot a uspc .45
Its silky my dued

>>33960215
I have a Glock 26 and will probably get a 17 or 34 at some point, but that's because I just love blowing money on guns, but I'm starting to get over the whole "they're so practical."

Really are they that practical anymore? They're a polymer strike that sell new for in the $500-550 range.

The market is now full of polymer strikers that sell new in the $500-550 range. The market is full of full-sized SA/DA pistols that sell in the $550-650 range, which isn't that much more.

AND now the market is becoming full of polymer striker fired guns in the SUB-500 category. S&W M&P Shields are all almost $500 unless they're tricked out and you can find them on sale, for some models, as low as $320. The Beretta APX retail is $535 and it's street price is like $480-500

So once upon a time, I think the Glock was a pretty no-brainer choice. If you just wanted "a gun" or a 'a pistol' it made a lot of sense. No extra controls, not a ton of knowledge needed, very reasonably priced.

But now, the market has caught Glock and left them behind. Glock is doing nothing to expand or change the line while other companies innovate around them.

Glock only has name recognition now. When you break it down, there's not much that's all that compelling about them compared to other guns.

They've become like Apple. It's an idiot proof thing with a good name that doesn't perform as well as it's competitors, doesn't change, and costs a little too much for what it is.

>glawks are cheap simple and reliable m8!
>they are only 400 brand new with 30 extra mags and mail in rebate blowjobs m8
>what are you fucking pooor?
And every place around me sell them for at least 500 a piece before tax and mark ups, guess they sell that fucking good and people kept buying them
If the any of ruger 9mm comes with 15rd mags for my slightly less cucked state I would choose them

>>33959411
Yes.
I tried one once
I now have three Glocks

>>33960414
Ive tried a few generations, theyre all pretty much the same shape and size dont think itll make a difference but next time i see a gen 2 in a shop ill fondle it.

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>>33960320
>Glock 18
Tell me more.

>>33960416
http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/usp-compact/

Length: 6.81 in.

Height: 5.00 in.

Width: 1.38 in.

https://us.glock.com/products/model/g43

Length: 6.26 in.

Height: 4.25 in.

Width: 1.02 in.

Guess what I'm going to choose.

>>33959436
>Which is the best Glock of the Glocks?
The M&P Shield 2.0

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>>33960505
The usp

>>33960536
>frogposter
>being wrong
Checks out.

>>33959411
No.
Quit being an sperg.

>>33959436
Steyr M9

>>33959411
>fuck you, I want a steel frame DA/SA heavy enough to bludgeon someone with
Got a West German P226 and never looked back.

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>>33959558
Bussing tables part time at Denny's? Maybe it's time to reprioritize if a month's wages won't cover an average rent.

>>33959775
I bet you'll only carry the gun that shot Abraham Lincoln

>>33960576
This.
I wanna use my gun as a backup throwing weapon like in hotline miami, a glock would probably make a sqeaky noise when it hits someone

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>>33960598
Ill carry the luger hitler shot himself with desu

>>33960627
He used a p38, get a Walther.

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>>33960666
> Hitler correcting me from hell
Shiiet ok boss

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>>33960627
>>33960666
Youre both wrong and gay
Holy shit its summer already isnt it?
FUCK

>>33959670
Hello newfriend

>>33960704
Alright tripfagola,
Enlighten us.

>>33960397
>He's never shot a RAMI.
You're out of your element, Donny.

>>33959775
There's no history behind them? Our boy Gaston was a knife and appliance maker people called crazy for trying to make a gun. He decided to make the Glawk on a whim because he heard the Austrian military was looking for a new handgun.

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>>33960704
>a wild tripfag appears in a troll thread, uses Cocksuck

>>33960752
>An appliance maker makes an appliance.
Wtf i love glocks now

>>33959427
ya'll cant have pistols in Sweden? I thought Sweden was relatively pro gun

>>33960740
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-2075-rami-9mm-black-alloy-14-rd-mags/

Length: 6.5 in.

Height: 4.7 in.

Width: 1.25 in.

See >>33960505 for Glock 43 dimensions and again, guess what I'm going to choose.

>>33960833
Only migrants can have guns

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>>33959411
Glocks are trash, I prefer nontrashy nonpoorfag options such as HK.

>>33959558
>multiple two week paychecks on a gun
>glocks cost $500

lol wut

>>33960906
>nontrashy nonpoorfag options
>AK

welp.

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>>33960936
It's okay to admit your true feelings cuck

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>>33960879
just get you one of these.

>>33959436
20

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>>33960953
touch a nerve osama??

>>33960992
Nope, nice try though nogunz I give you 2/10 merely for effort

@33960906
>thread about glocks
>posts random bullshit just to shit up a thread
>probably its whole collection
You are not supposed to give (you)s to human wannabes, right?

>>33961018
>he can't even reply
Welcome to 4chan my newfag friend.

>>33959670
This is either the best bait I've ever seen or you we're literally born yesterday.

Get posts are on every site, even Facebook, how can someone not know what dubs are?

>>33961001
2/10?
Is that how many of your Mohammed allotted wives you've been able to kidnap and rape?

>>33961001
>nogunz
you know better than that fag. you have been here long enough. i don't have any commie ass poorfag aks tho.

Why do glocks have shit triggers? Do they own shares in companies that sell better triggers or something?

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show them this

>>33961042
That's how many of your sisters will be over at my house tonight.
>>33961046
>he is too poor to own his current rifles including "poorfag" AKs
It's okay poorfag, no need to project
>>33961049
Because they are just shit guns in general.

>>33961072
Too bad, only got brothers. You can rape them if you're out of goats, but then you'll have to throw YOURSELF off of a rooftop too.

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I don't want a glock or anything black tactikewl plastic

You should respect my decision, all my friends and the guys down at my favorite LGS do too.

>>33961083
>only brothers
It's okay your mom will do just fine

>>33960594
denny's is pretty lit though

>>33961088
Go ahead, ugly hag anyway. Maybe she's ugly enough to be the one consensual female that a Muslim has touched this decade

>>33961111
>Cuck Status:
>Confirmed

>>33961121
Whats the smallest organ in a goat?

>Answer: A Muslim's dick.

>>33961169
Don't call your mom a goat

>>33961175
his mom is a muslim dick?

>>33961175
I'm actually shocked you are branching out from your family tree for sexual partners. Maybe that club foot and rational anger will finally get bred out.

>>33959436
19 is the quintessential Glock.

>2k17
>actually replying to muslimfag
>not just filtering his name or acting like he's one of zeds many fractured namefag personalities and ignoring him

summer time already?

>>33961216
>People ripping on tripfags is for summerfags

Fuck off you homosexual

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>>33961175
BAAAAA BAA BAAAAA BAA ABAAAAA BAAAAA

>>33959436
19 and 43 in that order

>>33959411
Glocks are as useful as guns can be, which on average is negative, so get a cool metal gun instead, that one you saw in some of your favorite mass media :^)

as the resident shitposter emeritus, i fucking love this thread.

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>>33959411
me and a friend made a bet to choose who would buy a glock19 and who would get the sig p320.
I got the P320 but I like the glock the most and my friend likes the sig cause of the trigger and grip...
Glock it's fine thou

>>33959598
>>33959681
>>33959776
>>33960159
>>33960268
>>33960594
>>33960908
If you're the kind of guy that gets his gun in an evidence locker, you don't have a well paying legal job.

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>>33960704
Why should I be listening to a tripfag?

>>33961226
You're a summerfag because you're giving them EXACTLY what they want.

> made this thread expecting glockfags to go rabid
> instead, it became a tripfag battle ground
Idk if this was a success t b h

>>33961281
Then trade your guns?

>>33959683
We don't.

>>33961317
found the guy that has never had to defend his home by using his pistol

it gets tagged and bagged, kid. your home defense piece needs to be disposable. evidence often gets "lost"

>>33960833
You can, he's memeing. I've seen swefags post pistols before.

If it's anything like here in funland, he does have to prove that he practices regularly, but nothing is really prohibited (although full auto stuff is for collectors only)

>>33961351
>glasses assad
...glassad?

>>33961034
oh sorry Im from Reddit

>>33961889
Get off my board r/the_donald

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>>33959411
100%. My shooting buddy has been bugging me about a Glock for month now. I ended up with a P226 extreme. He was kinda right though. Glocks are good.

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>>33961959
put your weapon on safe
>inb4 hammer is down
then cock it, and put it on safe.

>>33959926
I'd like to but I need to be able to fingerfuck them first before I buy them, and guess what ALL the gun stores in my area stock: glawks, M&Ps, and maybe an FNS9 if I'm lucky. Thus my original post.

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>>33960576
Got me a p226 SSE for IWB carry. Never looked back.

>>33959558
>$600
>taking more than a week to save up $600

holy fucking poorfag. just get a p64 at that point.

>>33960430
none of those guns have the same capacity in the same size and weight profile though. I work in a gun store and used to hate glocks but after searching for years, really nothing else is as small or as light with the same capacity.

>>33960906
>not a poorfag
>bought a shitty half assed ak103 "clone"

>>33961062
>hillaryhole

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My Glock 19 is my center console gun in my car however I carry a Kimber

>>33962103
Please explain why?

>>33960772
>It's super effective!

>>33962501
Ahh I see you're a man of taste as well. I too enjoy trap porn

>>33959411
I carry a revolver, so no

>>33960215
You have that many of practically the same gun? Four? In the same caliber? Two max: the one you want to shoot if you don't have to worry about it being seen and the one you intend to CC.

>>33963563
not my pic, just a nice selection of glocks from my gun porn folder
I have the 17, the 23 and the 30

>>33964334
>the 17, the 23 and the 30
exquisite taste

>>33964334
Do you have no caliber preference whatsoever?

>>33964538
>2015
>not being panammosexual

>>33959776
Fuck off, it is $6 a day, or 14 cents a kilo.

>>33964645
If there's a pistol you like in a caliber different from your preferred one, get it, but there's no point to owning the exact same sort of pistol in a caliber that isn't effectively different from the other.

>>33964695
Owning Glock-brand Glocks in every caliber is the only way to truly experience the variety of pistol cartridges without the variability of different types of gun getting in the way.

>>33960860
>choosing
>by choice
Wew

>>33960492
top kek

>>33960704
>>33960738

what are cyanide pills?

>>33959411
I'm not a big fan of ther ergos (brick) and prefer da/sa over strikerfired

They're neat guns and reliable though

End of conversation.

>>33961480
nah! because I live in a 3rd world country where liberals have taken over and it would be cheapper to buy a new gun than transfer it to some else.

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>>33959411
fixed

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>>33960576
RUGER P89

Shoot 7 dudes twice and beat the eight guy to death with the empty gun

>>33961523
>evidence often gets "lost"
This, or abused to all fuck. Lost a glock 22 to police custody in fairly good condition, no obvious mars or rust) when I got it back there were scratches all over the slide and 2 fairly deep gouges in the polymer frame, rust formations in the action + slide, and the guide rod bent to where it was almost impossible to get the slide off with-out a hammer.

Idk what the fuck goes on in evidence lockers but you better make sure what-ever gun you shoot with you'd be okay with never seeing again or at least not in goof condition.

>>33959427
How's that Somali penis treating ya Keralis

>>33966171

Get an SP-01 with a Mec-Gar mag.

>shoot ten bad guys twice
>and then as it is said in Judges 15:16: "with the jawbone of a Czech handgun I've killed a thousand men!"

>>33959411
yeah they look so ugly and boring

>>33964957
He never made it to the next stage: Nuremberg Trials to use that shit.

>>33960906
Muslims are not "bros". It's impossible for a muslim to be a "bro". Being a muslim means you will never advance spiritually, physically or technologically. I mean, your shitty calendar proves you guys are still only in the 1400s AD. Meanwhile the rest of the world is in the current year 2017. Dumb bearded goat humpers.

I got a glock 19 which I carry but I love my .357 mag more cuz stop power.

1600fps out of a 4in barrel.

>>33959598

What models run for that price? Only places near me had a gen4 g17 for 550ish and a gen4 g19 for 600

>>33959797

Feels like shit and you can get something else reliable that feels good without a shit trigger

>>33959816

It may be ugly but I don't even think it's possible to limp wrist a glock

>>33959411

Nope. Cause most of my friends are no guns, the ones who are hasguns are retarded.

My one friend carries a lcp9 for his CC, he has never shot it, even though he has owned/carried it for a few yrs.

He also thinks warning shots and shooting people in the leg is fine too.

>>33971001
>He also thinks warning shots and shooting people in the leg is fine too.
It is though. Not in the US because of their retarded legislation, but it is fine if you have time and opportunity to fire a warning shot or shoot an extremity.

Man, glocks aren't for everyone one. I gave one and I love it. I would rather carry my 1911 but I don't want that gun getting hurt. One gun that I think is better then the block is the Springfield xdm it's like the glock. I am still up set I got rid of it. Been 4 yrs now.

>>33960833

They're not. You're mixing up Sweden and Switzerland

>>33959436
Glock 40 for the best problem solver. Also it's 10mm that doesn't cost $1000+ so it's worth the trash aesthetics when price compared to any other 10mm.

>>33971023
>using a gun in a situation that doesn't demand lethal force

Work at a gun counter

Customers: "Glocks suck, i will never own one"
Me: "oh? So what do you perfer instead?"
Customers: "Taurus, SCCY, ruger, etc etc"

I am still waiting for someone to tell me a none shitty gun they perfer...

>>33971492
Sure. Why not?

>>33971508
Because that's retarded

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>>33960320
No you didn't you lying piece of shit

>>33971532
Why? If it stops the attack, what's wrong with it?

>>33971546
Because of potential collateral

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>>33961022

>the inbred goat fucker is illiterate

imagine my shock

>>33971502
>ruger
What's wrong with them
I want them

>>33971582
So you make sure to aim at a location with little to no chance of ricochet, and only attempt to shoot an extremity if there's a reasonable chance of success.

>>33971592
Most of the revolvers are fine, there semi auto pistols are hit and miss. People will buy the LCP rather than the LCP II simply because it is cheaper. in my honest opinion the LCP II is ten times better.
Ruger as a company does care about what they build.

It is more of a grip people refuse to save more money for better guns. And people also put weird qualities of importance on trivial things, example the SCCY pistol that are colored always out sell the plain black one. You can add $50 on a pink SCCY vs a plain one and the pink will be bought first.

>>33971593
It's still an uncertainty even in the extremely niche circumstance

>>33971755
No tool is 100% certain to work, but people usually tend to stop doing stupid shit like advancing towards you with a knife in hand once you put a round in the dirt and then take aim.

Similarly, if someone is not responding to verbal commands and there is a reason to use force on him, it may be necessary to put a round in the leg while you have the opportunity.

>>33964768
Or... you know...
any of the other many manufacturers that sell their pistols models in multiple calibers.

>>33959411

No, because Glocks are thoroughly adequate.

If you don't want one, just smile and politely say "I'll consider it". Then get a CZ-75, or BHP or whatever.

Glock's future is going to look like Colt's present. They haven't made any innovations in years, are extremely slow to respond to new market trends despite being the biggest player in the market, and, going by the scandals they've had, their leadership is both corrupt and incompetent. All that has to happen for Glock to start circling the drain if they do not change their current course is for them to lose the confidence of the LE community.

You think P320 will become the new big dick option now that the military has accepted it?

>>33973022
It's already started. Everyone on /k/ used to denigrate the P320 because

>muh exeter
>muh failed P250 launch
>it will never beat the G19 in the MHS trials!

Now that it's won though? There is a growing subset of users (read: mall ninjas) who are buying them and shilling them because the military has adopted it. I really hate this place sometimes.

>>33960397
My shield 9 is great to shoot.

>>33960451
I think the ruger American pistol comes with 17 round mags

>>33973149
I think he was talking about state 15rd limit, ruger double stacks seem to only have either 10rd or 17rd
>when the state cucks you just right

>>33971593
Or you could just aim center mass you faggot

>>33973079
I mean I was thinking about getting one just because I like the look and there aren't many attractive striker-fired handguns. My friend has a P226 (or a similar variant) and I enjoyed it as well. The US adopting it only made me like it more.

>>33961742
gassad

>>33971023
>>33971492
>>33971546
Shooting someone in the leg is more likely to kill them than the torso.

>>33960576
>P226
>steel frame
wut

Only way to get 10mm without spending $2,000.

>>33974248
(you)

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>>33959683
I don't

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>>33974709
Don't believe me if you don't want to.

Look it up.

Why glock? It's simple they are a blank canvas that I can build off of to make a gun that suits my needs perfectly.

There's not another brand on the market that comes close to having the aftermarket support that Glocks do

>>33974844
>There's not another brand on the market that comes close to having the aftermarket support that Glocks do
1911, AR-15

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On slow /k/ nights, I highly encourage you to check out /r/guns. It's a gold mine of cringe and retardation.

>>33966338
Are Glock slides and barrels serialized, or just the frame?

G22 is like the most common cop gun out there, makes me wonder if some cop swapped his beat up issue parts with the nice ones from your gun.

>>33971502
If it has to be poly/striker, I'd rather have an M&P or a P320. If not, CZ or P226, I like metal frames and hammers.

I think Glocks are great guns, and I wouldn't complain if I were issued one, but as somebody who mostly buys for range shooting I'll take something I like more. I'm honestly just a bit of a gun hipster too, Glocks are so common and plain that I just can't get excited about them, they're just sort of "there."

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Bought this because I want something different

>>33977489
Only the frames are serialized.

>>33977509
some glocks have serials on the barrel, frame and slide

>>33973079
That's the most logical reason to buy a p320 though. Muh Mod jew Larry tee is a useless bulletpoint since you need to buy a new barrel, slide, and frame to switch calibers/sizes anyway. Might as well just get another gun at that point. The stock triggers a little better but glock triggers can be changed however you like. P320s are tall and fat as shit which there's no fix for. Plus they're uglier.

>>33977514
My mistake. I was thinking of the part actually legally considered the "firearm".

>>33959436
Glock 7.

>>33959530
Yeah like everything in its price range, which may or may not appeal to a person more without any further modification

>>33959436
Colt single action army

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>>33960968
Austrianposting should be banned tbqh

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>>33962103
>Sam Hyde and Richard Spencer in a gun store at the same time

>>33974792
Go ahead and try to tourniquet a chest wound.

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>>33978383
>Putting a tourniquet on someone you shot
Without medical assistance (most instances of carry shooting and HD) a person is more likely to die from bleeding out when shot in the arm or leg than from getting shot in the torso.

If we're talking about police shootings, it's the same kind of story. Look up what happened on Feb 28, 1997 during the Bank of America incident. Cops shot one of them in the leg, and ambulances were held off because the scene could not be declared safe and he died ~1h later.

>>33978437
So he died 1h later instead of immediately in case of a cns hit.

You're not making a good case for yourself, you know.

>>33978447
You're less likely to hit the spine than you are to inflict a non-fatal torso wound.

This is common knowledge, are you newgunz or something?

>>33978456
Yes, and you're more likely to hit a fatal torso wound than you are to hit a fatal leg wound.

Glocks seem decent enough. As sort of a middle ground between available stuff they hit a good niche. I would love to have a 17 or 19 probably.

>>33978462
>"However, areas of the lower trunk and upper thigh are rich with vascularity. A suspect who’s hit there can bleed out in seconds if one of the major arteries is severed, so again shooting just to wound may not result in just wounding."
>"if an officer manages to take a suspect’s legs out non-fatally, that still leaves the offender’s hands free to shoot. His ability to threaten lives hasn’t necessarily been stopped.”
>"“Successful” shots could be dangerous to people besides the suspect because of through-and-through penetration. Virtually every police round today is designed to penetrate heavy clothing and 10 to 12 inches of ballistic gel. Rounds with that capability will penetrate even the biggest arms and could, like misses, then travel on to hit unintended targets in the background."
TLDR guns are deadly force, when applying them you should want the person to die
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/27/dont-shoot-leg/
watch this video too, you can see how quickly this durka drops

>>33978512
>TLDR guns are deadly force, when applying them you should want the person to die
Sure, from a certain point of view. But shots to extremities are less lethal deadly force than shots to centre mass.

Shooting someone in the leg if he has a firearm may also be justifiable, if the police are behind good cover, and can reliably make the shot. Being hit in the leg may make the suspect reconsider his current course of action.

>>33978529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e8gGXZDRY0
If you hit them in a major artery it can be less than a few minutes before they bleed out. You aren't going to die that quickly from a lower torso shot.

>>33978589
Keyword CAN be. Still less likely causes death, and should therefore be preferred.

And in case you aren't aware, there are arteries in the stomach as well.

>>33978628
look at diagram
>>33974792

>>33978637
Yes, I did look at it.

Are you blind?

>>33978645
There are far more veins and arteries in the extremities than the torso.

>>33978652
And? They're smaller, too, and the whole limb can be TQ'd.

Is there a singlestack glock?

>>33978671
>a tourniquet can be applied
Historically speaking it won't be. Are you seriously going to shoot your home invader in the leg then immediately start trying to save his life?

Thanks, but I'll stick to mag dumping center mass and replacing my carpet with the legal fees I saved.

>>33978685
I was talking from a law enforcement perspective, but technically it could apply to a civillian scenario as well.

It's a tool in the toolbox, it's not applicable in every situation, but it's nontheless good to have.

>>33978706
Cops won't do it either, they aren't trained life-saving personnel, and the scene won't be cleared for an ambulance until they cops are 100% sure it's safe for them.

>>33978683
The 42 and 43 are single stack

>>33978714
Sounds like an issue with either training or doctrine, not with the technique itself.

>>33959530
>laser accurate
No

>>33978719
(You)

>>33978786
No argument, then? Glad we settled this.

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>>33978786
>>33978791
That wasn't me, I'm playing Alan Wake.

He's right though, you're moving goalposts like crazy

>>33978804
I left the goalposts where you put them.

It's not the fault of the technique if the cops are unwilling or unable to perform the necessary operations to save the suspect's life.

>>33978810
It's UNSAFE.

That's all the reason law enforcement needs.

>>33978846
What is, putting a tq on someone who's been shot?

>>33979009
>shoot guy in leg
>immediately walk over to apply tourniquet
>radio for ambulance as you approach
>holster weapon, kneel beside suspect
>apply tourniquet, suspect produces a knife and slits your throat as you do
>you are now dead, and the suspect has your weapon and an ambulance is on the way
You are this retarded

>>33979009
Yes.

If you can't see how it might be dangerous to approach someone who wanted to hurt or kill you moments ago and still has the use of both arms then I think we're done here.

>>33979038
Or maybe you don't do it before you cuff him, or have backup.

If this is the kind of argument you can produce, then we really are done here.

>>33970979
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Uqtz2asE4

>>33979610
Can't you just admit you have no idea what you're talking about? I'm not even the guy you were originally annoying, that would be this gentleman >>33979042
Also, reusing his words from a post that was submitted essentially contemporaneously as mine is especially poor form. Especially so, considering you took an hour to collect yourself.

>>33979659
>adverbs for days
You can see my jimmies took a rustling there but retards are bad for business

>>33979659
>>Can't you just admit you have no idea what you're talking about?

Please. Clapistanians are the only ones who don't employ warning/wounding shots, and it's only because their legal system doesn't allow it. Case in point, they do use warning shots in their armed forces.

>Especially so, considering you took an hour to collect yourself.
I'm not monitoring this thread constantly.

>>33959436
The glock 78

>>33959411

>getting a glock when you can get a VP9 for just a little more for a much better gun

when will glockfags learn?

>>33975013
Last I checked an ar15 doesn't work as a sidearm that well. And would you like some extra jam with your 1911?

>>33979670
If an officer fires their weapon, they've gone beyond the point of warning. If an officer needs to fire his weapon to warn a suspect, that officer has already failed. If you could give me a list of Pros/Cons or something to convince me that firing lethal weapons without lethal intent is good, I'd really appreciate it.

>>33979760
>If an officer fires their weapon, they've gone beyond the point of warning.
That's your doctrine speaking, it's not an objective truth.
>If an officer needs to fire his weapon to warn a suspect, that officer has already failed
Certainly from a certain point of view. There are scenarios however, where verbal communication has degraded to the point where the suspect can't or is not willing to understand, and the sound of a gunshot may send the message that next rounds go to the body. Also, consider that the suspect may not be able to see the weapons pointed at him.
>If you could give me a list of Pros/Cons or something to convince me that firing lethal weapons without lethal intent is good, I'd really appreciate it.
Sure. The gist of the idea is that firearms are merely steps in the force continuum. Yes, they're at the top, and should not be used until absolutely necessary, but at the same time, them being at the top doesn't mean that their use automatically equals lethal force. If there's a chance the suspect can be apprehended by firing a controlled shot at dirt or a tree or somewhere else with little risk of ricochet without having to actually put rounds on his body, why shouldn't it be at least tried? The same applies to shots to extremities.

There's a distinction between self-defense and use of force. Use of force is active, while self-defense is reactive. The idea is to use a sufficient amount of force so that the situation doesn't escalate to the point where you have to defend yourself. This also applies to firearms. If you have time and opportunity to end the suspect's activity by placing a shot on an extremity, you should take it.

Consider your options.

>OC spray
Requires close distance, may be ineffective, dangerous outdoors (wind)
>Baton
Requires even closer distance.
>Taser
May miss, slow to reload.
>L2L ammunition
May not be available.
>K9
May not be available, may not be applicable

Use of firearm may be your only option.

>>33979845
>may
>chance
Your doctrines would get your men and many others killed, anon.
>Controlled shot at a tree
Do your police fire uncontrolled shots at people?
>Self-defence v. Use of force
Police are not there to defend themselves. If that were the case, they would not be there to begin with. They are there to enforce the law. I'm sure you understand the weight of such a distinction.
>End a suspect's activity with a shot to the extremities
Please see >>33979038 and >>33979042
Are you female? It would explain this and that

>>33959436
i've always wanted a glawk 40

ooh nigga, get dat 153mm barrel shoot dat .40 calibre ammo cause im too cheap to buy 10mm and it'll run either

>>33979909
>Your doctrines would get your men and many others killed, anon.
Funny that it happens so rarely, then.
>Do your police fire uncontrolled shots at people?
Are you trying to twist my words? The point is that warning shots aren't haphazardly shot "somewhere", they are controlled so as to minimise the chance of ricochet.
>Police are not there to defend themselves. If that were the case, they would not be there to begin with. They are there to enforce the law. I'm sure you understand the weight of such a distinction.
The police have a right to self-defense just like everyone else. They're there to accomplish a mission, and try to do so by limiting the danger to public, themselves and the suspect. If someone directs an unlawful attack against them, they'll defend themselves. Self-defense is unplanned, reactive activity. Use of force is planned, has a goal, and is controlled.

Instead of asking "why use a warning shot when you can go for centre mass", you should be asking "why shoot someone when there are still options left to try?" The role of law enforcement is to apprehend suspects so that they may be lawfully judged by their peers. They aren't executioners.

This is slightly different for civillians, but still applicable.

>>33980004
>Options left to try.
Just before you were talking about how all these other options (spray, dogs, etc) were untenable and that warning/wounding shots were superior. Now you imply otherwise. You can play games with your suspect in Europe because, in all likelihood, his weapon is a butterknife or a club. The role of law enforcement is to uphold order. They're not called the Suspect-Judiciary Conveyance Service.
>slightly different for civilians
There you go, setting up to move the goalposts again.

Glocks are ugly soulless bricks that shoot

>>33980172
>Just before you were talking about how all these other options (spray, dogs, etc) were untenable and that warning/wounding shots were superior. Now you imply otherwise.
Yes and no. It's a tool in the toolbox, and in some cases, it's the best tool for the job. In other cases, it may not be.
>You can play games with your suspect in Europe because, in all likelihood, his weapon is a butterknife or a club.
All suspects are taken seriously. If a weapon can be identified, it may ease the choosing of the specific tool. If the suspect is armed, and presenting an immediate danger to others, the best tool for the job may be shooting to stop.
>The role of law enforcement is to uphold order. They're not called the Suspect-Judiciary Conveyance Service.
They're both, actually.
>There you go, setting up to move the goalposts again.
Nope. From the beginning I've referred to it as a technique, and as a technique, its use is very much dependent on the circumstances. As a civillian, you're much more likely to end up in a case of self-defense rather than a situation where you need to use planned and controlled force. The basic idea is still the exact same.

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>>33980255
I'm not sure what the basic idea is, to be perfectly honest with you. You seem to write a whole lot, but say very little. Try to keep it under 100 characters for my little brain

>>33980284
Haven't I already tried that?

They are tools, they may not work every time, they may not be the best option for every case, and sometimes, you're better off skipping them entirely. It all depends on the circumstances.

Do you understand this much?

>>33971502
I prefer the Springfield XDs, beretta 92 compact, fns, and p30 (H&K) over a glock.

i would prefer a Taurus Millenium too desu. Glocks just feel weird to me ergonomically, too fat to cc on me. The new single stacks feel ok though.

>>33980255
>shoot to stop
Shoot to kill should be the only method for shooting a gun

>>33980389
I would add the caveat that if i was issued a glock, i'd be content. Not overjoyed, but not dissapointed either. They are kinda the gold standard. There are better guns in some ways, some worse in others, but Glocks sit at a decent place overall imo.

>>33980418
Why?

>>33979670
>the military uses warning shots
And?
They blow up hadjs left and right
I don't they cared about a loose bullet killing a non combatant

>>33980450
Due to the extreme difficulty of shooting a persons appendage or other "less lethal

>>33980460
It shows that it's a technique that works. Else the military would not use it.

Controlled warning shots are far less likely to cause harm than you think.

>>33980468
Which is why you don't shoot for limbs in a case of self-defense, because you're not going to hit. They're much better used when you have a firearm with a stock and preferably a stable platform to shoot off of.

Time, opportunity, and reasonable chance of success. You don't use a technique that isn't likely to work.

>>33979755
>1911s never work guiz
Yeah I guess that's why delta was using them up into the early part of the 2000's and some even later, or the FBI hostage rescue team, LAPD swat, marine force recon, etc
Yeah I guess those guys were retarded for wanting a sidearm that makes 25 yard heat shots an easy task, because you know, a guy on 4chan says they always jam.
You sure educated those trained and experienced operators anon, you should be proud.

>>33980510
>it's a technique that works
In war time and a hostile environment where command or citizens have an utter lack of sympathy and knowledge towards those people that are being shot at

>>33980510
>firearm with a stock... Stable platform
So a sniper?
But if a sniper team is called in then the situation has already escalated to warrant lethal

>>33980354
I really don't, anon. Your process seems very time-consuming, and not at all practical for threat neutralization. I suppose that, due to irreconciliable differences, we are wasting each other's time. Good luck to you

>>33980418
no you fucking moron you shoot to fucking stop, that's what you tell your lawyer
they just end up dead sometimes

>>33980765
>that's what you tell your lawyer
No, you can tell your lawyer anything you want, but any lawyer worth his salt will say that you were shooting to stop the threat.

>>33980652
But the exact reason why you'd use warning shots is because you don't want to kill them.

>>33980670
No, just put your rifle on top of a trash can or brace it against a corner or something. Or take a knee.

>>33980687
It's really not. You get a general gist of what you should and should not do through training and experience.

If the threat needs to be immediately neutralised, you still have the option of magdumping his torso. It's just not something you immediately jump to if other options are available.

>>33980825
>trying to "just put your rifle on top of a trash can or brace it against a corner or something. Or take a knee."
>get shot in the fucking face
Stop it you liberal retard, the game is up

>>33980825
Tits or gtfo

>>33980854
You can't hold a conversation to save your life, can you?

>>33959411
You forgot the part where he asked about .357 revolvers right before the "buy a glock" part. Glockfags are intolerable.

>>33980895
Please list any/all firearms you've been trained to operate

>>33980905
Trained in what capacity? In military, or at the range?

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>>33959411

I own three glocks in 9mm, 45acp and 10mm. So no. Autistic faggot.

>>33980917
Well considering you've been waxing critique about the police, let's start with military/service

>>33959411

No nigger, because I like glocks. I sold a 1911 to fund more glocks. Fuck you.

>>33980930
RK-62, RK-95, PKM, TKIV-85, KVKK-62, FN BHP to start with.

But the military training sucks, you get better at shooting with civillian instructors.

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>>33960282
>.i carry the little pocket db9

>>33960385
get real anon, you dont have a person to kill yourself with...

>>33959436
The glock 18

>>33980964
Ah, I see.

>>33981093
You want pictures of my guns next, or are you done?

>>33977473
Imma do it, wish me luck.

>>33980904
>357
>basically 9mm with retard strength
>he doesnt carry a 45lc

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>>33981052
Whats wrong with it?
Other than being stump ugly?

>>33959411
I hate unsolicited advice in general, but you shouldn't get upset if you go around asking what gun you should get. It would be like getting mad if you wen't around asking what car to buy and got mad when people said "Toyota Corolla".

>>33982039
I drive a corolla but I would never buy a glock

>>33981103
It was fun to see you jump to dangle your assets. Also since you're likely slavscum I would say, yes, I'm done.

>>33982135
So you were just pretending to be retarded, then. Alright, have a good one.

>>33982039
lies nobody would be mad about being told to buy a corolla- at least toyota updates the corolla every now and then to make it competitive with its market segment

shitty ass glocks on the other hand are all the same

and no its not perfection

>>33982163
>Thinks cops should shoot to wound
>calls others retarded
Not a good color

>>33982236
Yep, it helps save lives, and cops all around the world use the technique to great effect.

>>33982050
>>33982166
I drive a 2008 corolla and carry a gen2 glock17 and honestly probably wouldn't buy the newer version of either.

>>33982269
Please provide some evidence to support that claim.

>>33982357
Well here's one instance from Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8tQb6l5oWw
And here's one from Finland
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv.fi%2Fuutiset%2Frikos%2Fartikkeli%2Fpoliisi-ampui-miesta-jalkaan-mikkelissa%2F6114112&edit-text=

I'm sure you can find more instances if you actually bother to look.

>>33982423

>people did a stupid and dangerous thing these two times and it worked so that means it isn't stupid and dangerous

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>>33982423
Two anecdotes don't mean much when weighed against thousands of shooters, wild animals, rapists, and general psychopaths dropped permanently. Were you assigned this line of rhetoric?

>>33982442
You never actually managed to explain why it's stupid and dangerous, you just ran around in circles, flinging shit.

It works. It's a natural part of the force continuum, and it saves lives.

>>33982458
Well maybe the wouldn't be dead if the police had considered shooting their legs instead.

Have you lads read this by the way?

http://www.npr.org/2017/03/28/520826667/police-warning-shots-may-be-in-for-a-comeback

Looks like they're catching on to the point I'm trying to make: it's about de-escalation and controlled use of force. You want to take control of the situation and defuse before you have to magdump the suspect.

>>33982505
You seem to think I meant the dead were an argument against. Your reading comprehension seemed stronger than that

>>33982598
No, I don't think you meant that. But they are.

I know you probably subscribe to the "the best criminal is a dead criminal" line of thinking, but from my point of view, that is something the society should try to avoid as much as possible. At least if you believe in your legal system.

>>33982505

I apologize, I actually just jumped into the conversation and after seeing what you guys were talking about I see the other guy never did actually explain exactly why less lethal shots are wrong.

Basically it's because there's no place you can shoot a person that can incapacitate him without risking his life. When considering shooting someone, you have a binary situation: either your life is directly threatened, or it isn't. In the former, shooting someone in the foot is a huge risk, because it's not an effective way of stopping them from threatening you. It also takes more time to aim for a particular body part and you have a smaller chance of hitting than shooting for center mass. In court, all this will be used against you: clearly your life wasn't REALLY in danger, because if it was you wouldn't have taken that extra time and effort, all when you could have neutralized the threat quickly and effectively with a center mass shot. The fact that you didn't neutralize the threat quickly and effectively, and that you could afford to take all this extra time and risk, and you still were fine, is proof that your life was never really in danger at all! That means that you risked the suspect's life unnecessarily by shooting them when you didn't actually need to.

Or, let's take the latter case and say you decide your life isn't actually in danger, but you decided to shoot them in the foot anyway. Shooting at someone is always a risk to their life: you can miss, you can hit an artery and they bleed to death there on the sidewalk. You can never just say for sure "I am going to shoot this person but not kill them." Guns are lethal weapons and extremely dangerous, and should always be treated as such. So if you try to shoot someone in the foot when they weren't threatening your life, you applied extremely dangerous force against someone when it wasn't necessary because less dangerous alternatives were still an option. Either way, you were in the wrong.

>>33982626
I don't subscribe to that line of thinking. I do however believe in taking the path of least resistance. A weapon should only be fired to kill. Warning shots are immature and reckless. That tells Johnny Perp the first shot won't hurt him, and to make his own first shot count all the more.

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>>33959411
I really don't give a shit on /k/'s opinions on firearms.
Pic related is going to be mine after tomorrow.

>>33959558
I worked a shit job as construction custodian but I made the 600 needed in one check.

Find a better job lol

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>>33959436
Well I googled "the glockiest glock" for you and this came up among the first results, so I'll assume it's what you're looking for.

>>33977530
PORCELAIN GUN MADE IN GERMANY

>>33982656
Right, no worries.

The biggest issue I have with it is that it all stems from the assumption that using a firearm is automatically lethal force. It's true that shooting a suspect is always dangerous for him, but then again, the same is true of any force implement. Tasing him can mean he falls and hits his head and dies of brain hemorrhaging, OC may mean he chokes to death due to allergy to capsicum, and striking him with a baton may mean you accidentally hit him in the throat and crush his windpipe. The exact reason why L2L are called "less than lethal" instead of "nonlethal", is because the chance of death following their use is not zero. Therefore, the distinction between a firearm and other tools is purely arbitrary.

Do you agree with this?

>>33982854
You speak of violent weaponry as if they were screws and bolts...your head can't be right lady

>>33982924
Do you know where you are?

>>33982934
I know exactly where I am.
>the distinction between a taser and a gun is arbitrary because tasers stop the heart on occasion
That is what you're saying. I should really stop paying attention to you, but clearly we're both just a little lonely

>>33982974
Yes it is.

Tasers are not nonlethal, and neither is shooting an extremity. Both can be lethal, and both can also be less than lethal. So what exactly is the percentage of survival when a use of a device can be considered actually "less than lethal"?

How many cases can you find where an intentional warning shot has ended up killing someone?

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/polizei-schoss-2011-seltener-im-dienst-a-832037.html

49 cases of warning shots in 2011, not a single death. Seems pretty less than lethal to me.

As far as I can tell with my poor German, the article doesn't go into detail as to how many of the deaths were results of shots to extremities, so we can't really tell how likely it is to survive a leg wound as opposed to a chest wound. But even so, the chance of survival was still a respectable 83% in the year 2011. Slightly-more-lethal-than-less-than-lethal?

>>33983126
Have you been published yet? I'm not doing any research to benefit you. Anyway, your handful of anecdotes is utterly meaningless when stacked against the countless shootings, rapes, robberies, and muggings that happen daily. The wheel isn't broken, anon. You're wasting energy trying to fix it.

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>>33983126
>41
>a sample size