>USA wins WW2 becomes imstant superpower >Russia wins WW2

>>33958473
Because they were completely bombed to shit and they didn't capture a fuckload of territory during the war like the US and Russia.

Not everybody can be a superpower at the same time

Because UK relied on the colonies, unlike USA and Russia.

Having your entire empire collapse practically overnight is kind of a cunt.

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>>33958473
usa and russia are very big. britain is very small. they cant fit enough people in there to get a superpower tier economy and they got cucked and let go of their empire

Lost the will to continue the empire after the war. Colonies were granted Independence. Post war labor party were communist fags.

>>33958487
The USSR and USA actually gained territory during the war.

>>33958473
They were also liberal democracy that had to deal with massive food shortages. Buying in British shop in 1946 differed from buying in Soviet shop in 1946 only by the fact that the product people had stamps for were actually on the shelves.

>>33958473
If you want to get really into it, Britain wouldn't have been able to stay a superpower with or without WW2.

Britain's original superpower status was built off the fact they were the first country to rev up industrialization and make some major industrial breakthroughs. Once other countries caught up and industrialized, Britain was basically just coasting off it's former status and it was only a matter of time until they lost prestige.

isn't that more /his/-related

>>33958473

Britain's mainalnd was bombed to fuck during the war, so resources were focused on rebuilding, rather than immediately starting to build up arms.

>>33958473
Because fuck Britain.

>>33958590
LONDON
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>>33958479
> bombed to shit
Not enough to have significantly removed us from the war. However, we were in massive amounts of debt, didnt stop rationing until the 1960s, and had lost yet another half a million of our young men in under 20 years.
We still maintained superpower status due to our colonies and naval power, but WW2 had taught many places that they could gain their independence through rebelling, and most of Britain had no stomach for war, seeing the extent to which we had had to go to to keep ourselves in the fight (Yet British soldiers still fought and died pretty much every year until today except for 4).
You can still see railings and the like in British cities that were cut out because thats how desperate they were for metal.

>>33958624
Its alright, going through a phase of hating your daddy is natural when youre growing up.

They gave up all their land

>>33958590
>>33958539

Bombing wasn't heavy enough to affect anything significant, "the blitz" only lasted 8 months and was mostly around the London and South East area.

>>33958697
The loss of the Colonies was what really fucked us up, we could have come to some sort of agreement where colonies get their independence but have to agree to trade deals in Britain's favour. Most of Britains African colonies are still shitholes today, we should have stripped them bare.

>>33958831
>he thinks the uk was only bombed during the blitz
Fucking lol

>>33958852
This tbqh, we introduced administration and order that those nations otherwise couldnt have provided for themselves and made those areas profitable and sustainable. Even if they werent, the raw labour force would be pretty handy nowadays. Then again I guess thats what the Polish are for...

>>33958473
They lost control of the empire for a variety reasons and were absolutely broke after WW2, like most of Europe. They had a great economy due to having a head start in industrialization, but the massive spending and industrialization for the war effort elsewhere (USA and USSR) left them somewhat outgunned in an outright industry matchup.

It isn't really fair to say that England was a shadow of its former self, even though it got beaten and bruised. It's more apt to say that new powers eclipsed it due to those powers having a variety of economic, industrial, and political advantages that England wasn't able to adequately compete with when it was itself struggling with war debt and reconstruction.

>>33958769
You're not my dad, my dad didn't create the environment that allowed China to become communist

>>33958697
Rationing ended in 1955

>>33958852
>but have to agree to trade deals in Britain's favour
and yet this was the crux of the matter. this is why ghandi said fuck you limeys im taking my diaper down to the beach and making some salt

>>33959136
its also why the sons of liberty dumped the british tea in boston harbor

>>33959045
China became communist, and then market forces did the rest and hey presto, modern china is capitalist in all but name.
Talking of not allowing places to become communist, hows Vietnam this time of year?

>>33958697
Are there any good books that go into what this was like? For Britain or another euro nation?

Going from WW1 and then WW2 and losing so many of their young men, resources, etc.

>>33958769
Daddy was never there to begin with

>>33959177
Any decent book on british history of the 20th century really, theres a lot of bollocks about the suffragettes but nobody really cares about them.

>>33958852
That was essentially the idea of Imperial Preference. If I remember correctly, the Dominions were keen on it, but Britain itself could not muster enough domestic support to put the system in place.

>>33958473
they elected a guy to give them free shit, then they promptly collapsed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Attlee

>>33958473
>Ethiopia wins WW2 remains third world shithole

>>33958473
It was time to put it all on the table, Britain was packing a pale, spotted, bent up little dick. America slammed down its massive dong. The rest is history. Go read a book OP.

Bankrupted. In the 50s in America was a boom, the 50s in England when my dad grew up still had food rationing.

Also, this is very interesting. We bongs have a long history of fucking ourselves over and we continue to do it to this day. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/modern/marshall_01.shtml

>>33959339
That faggot Keynes has a lot to answer for.

>>33959363
This is so uninformative, I get the feeling someone just wanted to mention penises.

Is there something you want to tell us anon?

>>33958473

Britain fought for longer than either and was smaller than both?
Also socialists, people were really tired of this sort of thing and just lost the will and were encouraged in their ways by socialists who proceeded to ruin everything the war hadnt already.

Britains navy and colonies made it an empire (super power).

Neither of those existed in any relevant form after ww2.

>>33958473
>Canada went from the third or fourth largest navy in the world to nothing

One of those countries was the only one that fought alone

Guess which

I wish the British were still relevant. I love those guys, as weird as they sometimes are. Miss you Dad, your empire was the best.

>>33960490
Forget video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVSACs0BkUU&index=3&list=FLPC96wb9ZM6eeKa-AJXtotw

>>33958479
Yes, also, after fighting two monstrously apocalyptic wars in less than 30 yrs, the British were properly miffed and tired of sending their young men to die overseas, which led to their colonies properly fucking off and them giving not much of a damn about it. Also leftist infiltration in politics led to whole generations of politicians to afraid to act like a imperialistic superpower.

Wasn't Britain still doing war rationing into the 70s?

>>33959644
Keynesian economics is indeed a shit, but the blame falls squarely on the insane socialist economic policies like 100% employment. Keynesian economics was used (and is still used) as a figleaf to pretend such impossible policies could ever possibly work.

>>33960584
'54

The 70s was when the socialist shat it up so much they had to turn off the electricity some days out of the week to keep industry going. That was when literal commies were in government.

>>33958473

Socialism.

>>33958521
But their economy wasn't completely dependent on them as was.

>>33959644
>>Keynes
He's still doing damage to Western Civilization to this very day, every round of quantitative easing and government stimulus we go through has his shadow looming over it.

>>33960630
>>33960654
>tfw in another timeline the us invaded a communist britain in the 1960s

>>33958473
The US bullied Britain into a number of agreements during and immediately after the war that basically spelled the end of the Empire and the ascendancy of the US.

Russia wouldn't have been anything but the third world shithole it is without the Rosenbergs.

>>33960798
more like supported the monarchy and democracy in a British civil war.

>>33960853
>Russia wouldn't have been anything but the third world shithole it is without the Rosenbergs.
what? please elaborate.

>>33960926
>more like supported the monarchy and democracy in a British civil war.
That is yet to come.

>>33958473
>Why?
SJW's.

The people of Britain were turned against the idea of colonies and steadily let their Empire slip from their grasp as they slid back down the pipe into European irrelevancy that they had occupied in the days before the Age of Exploration.

>>33960964
He probably means that if nuclear secrets weren't leaked to the Soviets, then the USSR would be put impossibly behind in the arms race.

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>tfw too young to remember the Empire

>>33960964
fucking jews sold us out [as usual]

russia is just a giant 3rd world backwards ass country. always has been, always will be. can barely feed its own people because they suck at hort/ag. anyway the two kikes sell stalin the atom bomb. presto-changeo, the soviet union is a world power and berlin is split in half. the rest you know already.

>>33958479
4chan: ask valid questions, get ridiculously simplistic answers that bury very important facts.

>>33960853
>>33961477
The Rosenbergs weren't the only people the reds had.

But yeah, they deserved every volt they got.

>>33958473
A combination of a lot of the things mentioned in this thread.
After the second of two world wars within 50 years the people were too tired to argue/fight with a punch of colonial secessionists.
Since the two world wars had taken a toll on the British naval capabilities to sail all over the world, they would need to rebuild that first before doing anything and it is just much easier to more or less give the colonies independence (though in some cases, where the Anglos and other Europeans has displaced the natives, like Canada and Australia they might keep the institution that is the monarchy for tradition's sake) but still try to contain them in some larger global organisation. Like the Commonwealth.
Besides the country needed to be tuned back to normalcy after six years of war, repair what had been destroyed and turn the industry back towards not producing weapons.

So basically what sealed the deal with the British after the 2nd World War was that their capital and mother country was always somewhat close to the front which meant heavy toil one way or another, combined with former colonies desiring independence after the war without the British being able to logistically maintain the empire.

The US has also done some quirky things to the British after the 2nd World War, for example IIRC the Americans didn't initially share the blueprints for nuclear weapons with the British. It wasn't until the British performed their own test detonations made more or less from scratch (or salvaged from the Germans) that the Americans went, "Oh wow, they are serious, maybe we should help." despite the two countries working relatively well together during the 2nd World War.

>>33961477
>fucking jews sold us out

oy vey

I worry that Great Britain can be further balkanized post-Brexit.
I worry about how Scottish independence referendums.
I worry about the question that is Northern Ireland.
I worry about these two areas predominantly voting remain.
I worry about what some Irish IRA wannabes might try.
I worry about the English not wanting to let them go.
I worry about the many Muslims
I worry about how English people are some of the most vicious racists.

But I hope I am just paranoid and not the only guy who sees all the ingredients for some very nasty bland tasting food and kebab removal.

>>33958473
BECAUSE WE GAVE OUR SUPER ADVANCED JET TO THE RUSSIANS ON THE PROMISE THAT THEY WOULDN'T COPY THE TECHNOLOGY

GOD WE ARE SO FUCKING STUPID

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>>33958473
>Why?
At the beginning of the WW2, when the US was debating whether to join in, a pact was made with UK that UK would give over its colonies and embassies across the world to the US. They agreed to allow full access to all of their territories in exchange for the US entering the war and saving UK's ass.

And then, US became the superpower and UK became just a small island again.

>>33961519
why would you want more than that from an image board? go read a book if you want some meat.

>>33961972
if i could read, i wouldnt be on 4chan

>>33962040
Nigger, where do you think anyone here learns shit from? Sure as shit not the history channel
Just because we're dumb barbarians who like guns, war and stabbing things, doesn't mean we're dumb barbarians that can't read

Because a fuck ton of poms died.

Virtually bankrupt after the first war
Great depression hits
So poor after the second war they resort to selling cutting edge jet engines to the russians who put them in Migs after the brits make them promise they wouldn't

>>33964205
>selling cutting edge jet engines to the russians who put them in Migs after the brits make them promise they wouldn't
What

>>33958473
It's because Britain went for a drive after their first born was delivered.

>>33964347

Communist labor traitor government decided the Soviets were really nice guys and sold them Rolls Royce jet engines which they promptly put into their MiG-15s, which ended up shooting down loads of shit in Korea.

>>33958473
Britain got the absolute shit kicked out of it. Duh.

>>33958917

But militarily and economically, it IS a shadow of its former self: barring nuke subs, the UK military of today couldn't take on itself in its prime during 1947.

>>33958473

Losing India killed the Empire. Many British colonies were originally adquired to serve as coal station and supply ship in route from and twoards India. When India was lost, these colonies no longer has any reason to exist. The US was also uninterested in keeping the British Empire intact as it served as a beacon of rebellion for the soviets spurring rebellions against evil capitalist colonialism.

>>33966604
> the UK military of today couldn't take on itself in its prime during 1947.

If you genuinely believe this, you're retarded.

It's easily as stupid as the people who go "The modern US army wouldn't win in a fight against their 90's counterparts"

>>33964347
Here's some backstory. Russia at the time could produce very nice airframes. However, they couldn't produce an engine worth jack shit. As a result, the UK and US had a huge advantage in early jet aviation. Then the UK had a Labor government. The UK needed money and Labor was full of Communist sympathizers, so they made Russia promise to not reverse engineer the engines that Britain would sell them, and that Russia would only put those engines in commercial aircraft (never mind the fact that they were clearly for fighters and that jet engines for civilian aircraft would be extremely different). Russia promptly went and reverse engineered the engines and started making these top of the line engines for their own aircraft, thus negating the UK and US's biggest advantage in the air. Yes, it was hugely retarded. Incidentally, Russia still can't make good engines on its own.

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>>33967281
>but what fool would sell us his secrets?

>>33958473
out of uniform. wheres his tie pin at!

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>>33958501
50 million people living in that little shit hole.

no wonder you are drunk and vomiting in the streets.

>>33958558
most of history is war
most wars are fought with weapons
/k/ is a weapon board
its /k/-related

>>33958473
Beacuse WW2 was a proxy war, fought between USA (and their German proxy) and UK (and their USSR proxy).
The USA won.

>>33958697
>You can still see railings and the like in British cities that were cut out because thats how desperate they were for metal.

That is so true. My brother was tellling me about that and now I notice it all of the time.

>>33959054
10 years after the war ended

>>33958479
>bombed to shit
Are you on morphine?

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>>33967311
Before that they has a huge empire, as with all empires subjects would move towards the seat of power to get a slice of the wealth. When the empire falls apart youre stuck with a group of britians that can no longer live large, and a group of foreigners that no longer have a direct link to their own country and try to refind their own identity in some faroff place, removing social cohesion. Ive been there 2 year ago and its just sad. Smaller towns I saw drunk people in the afternoon, and most houses were old and decaying. London had a part metropolis, like any other international city, part old town, which gave you a glimpse of their old glory, and decaying neighbourhoods where chavs and/or foreigners live. Still you sense some kind of pride of being a superpower, but looking at it from an outsider perspective is really sad.

As for size of the country. Remember the old world had a growing population for much longer than the USA. Every country is pretty much like britain in that they are stuffed to the gills with people. Americans like to complain about their country getting fuller and there isnt enough space to go around, but they dont know what true overpopulation means, let alone european level of population.

>>33967281
This sounds so supremely retarded it might have actually happened. Do you have a source or any hint on where to read this.

>>33958473

britain went bankrupt & they were too small to recover

>>33958473
Do you guys seriously not know that big chink of UK gold was in US even pre war and they never got it back?

>>33961747
It will take a civil war for Scotland to gain Independence.

>>33961972
expecting more, and settling for less, no thanks.
on occasion its possible to find a rare gem on /k/.

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>>33958473
UK was broke after WW1, France was also in complete fucking economic ruins.
Great depression also laid the boot into rebuilding, getting their financial shit together and finding some light at the end of the tunnel. Those two countries lost millions just making enough ordinance to drop on the Germans and central powers- not even factoring in the cost of the dead who left massive skill gaps in the work force.

So by the mid 30's they'd sort of mostly managed to get back on their feet, but the cash for up-arming and empire building was completely in the shitter.
By the late 30's, Germany was ready for war.
Course, all the other Euro's had been sitting on their hands rocking back and forward during the last 20 odd years going
>'Brits and France will save us, we don't need national defence!'
>'Brits and France will save us, we don't need national defence!'
>'Brits and France will save us, we don't need national defence!'

Course, the actual result of that is Britain and France couldn't fund a half decent piss up, let alone another fucking war!
So when the Germans rolled over Czechoslovakia, Poland and anyone else they cared to, it wasn't because they (Frogs and Poms) didn't 'want' that to happen, they where simply too fucking screwed to do much about it.
By the time the Germans rolled over France, they had the option to sit this one out. But being the angry, pale fucks they are said again- right fuck it, its on.

People shit on Brits all the time, but the reality of the times was that they could have literally sat out WW1 and done nothing, but they did the honourable thing and helped France. WW2, they could have just let it happen and did nothing, but that was the wrong thing to do- so they fought again.

>>33961934
Source?

>>33961477
>Klaus Fuchs, a German scientist working in Los Alamos and handled by Gold, provided vastly more important information.
fucking germans sold us out [as usual]
>russia 3rd world
You can stop posting now
>soviet union is a world power
Because they never would have gotten the bomb otherwise
>berlin is split in half.
>muh glorious third reich
Maybe Germany shouldn't have lost the war then.

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>>33961442
It hurts anon, it hurts.

>>33969312
>People shit on Brits all the time, but the reality of the times was that they could have literally sat out WW1 and done nothing, but they did the honourable thing and helped France. WW2, they could have just let it happen and did nothing, but that was the wrong thing to do- so they fought again.
Complete bullshit. Britian didn't join WW1 OR WW2 to "heroically save France", they joined the war specifically and only because Germany annexed Belgium. There's even records of politicians saying that Britain would not join a German v French war for both ww1 and ww2. Get your head out of your ass

>>33958473
It's called war debt, also they had to give up a heap of shipping lane control and colonies during and after the war, so you basically run a country broke and take away it's ability to earn.

Not to mention that the Brits had to give all of their technological advances to the US during the war, so after the war America was the only player left.

>>33959170
china has a fascist economy pleb.

>>33969312
Before WW1 they had close ties to france and like france they disliked germany for wanting his own share of colonies. In the end they put down the ultimatum, if you take belgium its on. Germany tried to take it (to create a pincer) and england had to chose between taking up the gauntlet or pussying out. In the end they decided to do it. Same in WW2, they didnt want to fight the war but they put an ultimatum on poland.

>rule Britannia playing on violen

>>33970164
>>33969312
>tl dr; Britain destroyed itself for the nonsensical ideal of balance of power on the mainland and maintaining the international banking cartel.

>>33970380
>this one country is constantly expanding and annexing more territory, if we let them be they might be big enough that we can never fight them again and they might even try to attack us, so we should attack them early
Its pretty much american foreign policy for decades.

>>33970402
Yes, we do the same thing now, welcome to ZOG.

>>33970016
>implying you'd need to be a Nazi to recognize the human tragedy of East Germany, inflicted on people that had nothing to do with the NSDAP. Inflicted on people who weren't even born before the war.

>>33958473
They went bankrupt fighting the war, but helped develop the Bomb, and invented the jet engine (Frank Whittle) among other things. Also at the end of the war, a forced election swept Churchill and his party out and the Labour party began widespread social and welfare reforms in earnest which had a long term negative effect on the economy.

>>33960584
The 70's was the decade that destroyed the automobile industry in the UK.

>>33958473
USA became a super power because it got all the benefits of a very active military industry without suffering any damages
The Soviet Union became a super power because it got a shitload of land
The UK lost a lot of power because they got their infrastructure blown to shit

>>33960672
It's because people forget the secret to Keynesian economics is paying off the debt in the good times so you can go into debt to get out of the bad times. Of course, when the good times come around the government doesn't do shit because they wanna get re-elected rather than improve the country and we don't really need to pay off those debts with raised taxes, do we?

>>33958473
WW2 was a pyrrhic victory for Britain. They took heavy damage, expended almost all their resources, and they had been losing colonies left and right for a long time, and WW2 sped up their loss of territory. They were so damaged from the war that they had problems suppressing independence movements in their colonies.

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>>33970583
/thread

>>33958473
>underestimate the nazis
>let the war happen
>do absolutely nothing to weaken them until they attacked France "by surprise"
>couldn't do shit without getting help from Soviets and the US
Serves them right.

>>33958473
The empire was on the wane, they were in debt up to their eyeballs and they suddenly had large numbers of demobbed servicemen looking for work. Rationing continued for several tears after the war.

>>33958697
my father told me this about the railings, you must be an old fag or an educated fag

>>33958473
We fucked them. One of the things the US really pushed for was an end to Britain forcing preferential trade with them onto their colonies, because we believed sincerely that free and open trade combined with national self-determination would remake the world in our image. Desperate for arms, loans, and men, the Brits agreed.

The US is at our best, and worst, when we drink our own kool-aid.

>>33960630
Burger here, please elaborate.

>>33958697
>railings for metal
no fucking shit

pics?

>>33958769
I never hated my father growing up. I disliked him but I never hated my parents

What a stupid thing to say, only a spoilt brat would think that even if you're trying to get (yous)

>>33958697
>>33967386
>>33974535


You act like it's so unusual, the United States changed to steel pennies for the war effort

They literally changed their currency because they used the metal for bullets