I don't understand. The Soviets had a semi-automatic rifle

>>33944965
So people couldn't lose it.

>>33944976
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>This rifle was fed used 10-round detachable box magazines
it *could* be fed via fresh detachable mags, but most soldiers were issued only a small number of mags and used stripper clips.

the SKS was a further improvement upon this as it loaded from a single clip rather than two mosin clips.

>>33944965
The SVT-40 was shit.
It still is shit.

>>33945004
elaborate

>>33944965
I don't have sources, I'm theorizing, but I have heard some countries thought they needed to control how much ammo a soldier could expend, because they hadn't done the studies yet that showed in combat soldiers mostly aren't actually aiming, and that whoever shoots most wins

>>33945009
"Among the issues were that the rifle was too long and cumbersome, difficult to maintain, and the magazine had a tendency to fall out of the rifle."
-Wikipedia

Also jams, learned that from Canadians. Who owned one.

>>33945056
if we're talking about the 38, then that would be correct

>>33945056
Also, the SVT-40 is over gassed and will eventually beat itself to death. The Gewehr 43 has the same issue since it has the cloned gas operating system.

>>33945056
You do know they are talking annoy the SVT 38 in that little snippet right? The SVT 40 was the improvement to that and was well liked by the Germans who captured them. Also I have never had s problem witty mine jamming and if I did. I'd adjust the gas block. Anyone who can't make the SVT 40 run like a top is a severe autistic mongaloid .

>>33945004
I hate idiots like you who feel the need spout out their shitty opinions on exactly everything, even though it is not relevant in the situation. "HEY LOOK AT ME I HAVE A CONTROVERSIAL OPINION ABOUT THE SUBJECT YOU ARE DISCUSSING, PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION"

Fuck off, nobody cares

>>33946624
not even him but it's not a controversial opinion, the SVT-40 was simply not as good of a battle rifle compared to its contemporary alternative, the battle proven M1 Garand and the SKS is in many ways an improvement.
The SVT-40 was way better than the Gew. 43, but I don't think they would have stuck with it if they didn't decide to standardize on the M43 round anyway

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>>33944965
Because it was a hunk of shit:
>magazines aren't interchangeable between guns, the magazines you had (2 or less) was what you were issued with and they'd have your ass if you lost one
>was meant to be loaded with stripper clips anyway (two 5rd clips), the spares would be intended for emergencies
>has really poor accuracy potential, they were excited by the idea of turning them into sniper's rifles but the things had pretty bad POI shifts
It's better than a 91/30 Nagant, but not amazingly so, and it could never be a sniper's or marksman's rifle, unlike the Nagant.

Now let's look at the SKS:
>weighs a lot less and isn't as needlessly fucking long
>the magazine is fixed to the gun so dumb conscripts won't lose it
>loaded with a 10rd stripper clip which is fast enough, and stripper clips are way cheaper than detachable mags
>7.62x39mm is a much more practical infantry fighting cartridge than 7.62x54mmR
>accuracy isn't phenomenal here either but with the shorter range they weren't looking at sniper's anyway
It's overall just a much better rifle in every way. Could it reach as far? No, but that's what you had your snipers and marksmen for.

>>33945029
Whoever has the most ammo typically wins, or rather, who runs out of ammo first loses.
Then there's the whole thing about infantry combat generally topping out at 400 yards at the highest, so your infantryman doesn't really have a good use for an 800 yard cartridge.

Thus you give him a lighter cartridge he can carry much more of, so he can shoot more and which is easier to control for rapid fire when fighting starts getting close, while still having enough power to be worthwhile and reaching out to like 300 yards or so (it seldom needs to go further than that).

>>33947073
I would honestly put the SVT40 on the same tier as the G43, both were bothersome pieces of shit.

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>>33945004

I think its fun as hell

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>>33944965
if you are a slavboo, with a collection of slav guns, and spend your weekends buying and shooting imported slav ammo, you should promptly get the fuck out of the United States.

we don't want you Che wannabe, communist revolution faggots here.

>>33947393
>I would honestly put the SVT40 on the same tier as the G43
Opinion discarded. SVT is objectivly superior to G43.

>>33945056
I have a SVT 40. It doesn't jam.

>>33947393
Saying the SVT 40 is a hunk of shit is inaccurate, The SKS is superior and cheaper to make so the SVT had a short service life.

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>>33947073
This is essential true in its entirety, much to the chagrin of a hundred Syrupnigger posters here.

>>33947700
>Nothing of value to contribute to the thread

>Associating every slavaboo with Antifa-tier commie wannabees

>>33944965
>Why did they opt for an internal box magazine in the SKS?
because stalin was a retarded faggot. it was his requirement that the magazine be internal so people don't lose them.

if not for stalin, it's entirely possible that the sks would be an AK competitor to this day.

>>33948683
>it's entirely possible that the sks would be an AK competitor to this day.
Not with those ergonomics and costs of manufacture, no. You really think the only reason the AK buried the SKS was because it was able to use a detachable magazine?

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>>33948656
even if they are not Antifa-tier commie wannabees, slavs in general a poor, violent dogs. also, spending money on the ammo for these guns goes straight into the pocket of Americas economic enemies.

>>33948691
sheet metal SKS exist, and also look at the type 63. or do you really think the AK was perfect from the get go and didn't go through multiple iterations and evolved from there?

>>33946164
>is over gassed

It has 5 settings, if you overgas it and it breaks down eventually, you have only your own retardation to blame.

>>33948707
>tripfag
>mad
So did you get cucked by a slav or something ? The buttmad is real

>>33948725
>sheet metal SKS exist
Do you know how those performed? Hint; it wasn't great, which is exactly why you hardly ever see any.
>and also look at the type 63
A practically irrelevant arm that's on the tail-end of being phased out completely? That actually hurts your argument more than anything.
> or do you really think the AK was perfect from the get go and didn't go through multiple iterations and evolved from there?
No, but it still maintained its basic manual of arms, appearances, and manufacturing methods once they finally got the stamping process down. For the SKS to even begin to be competitive, it would have had to have had a drastic overhaul that would have radically altered the weapon in many major aspects.

Think, anon.

>>33947393
>magazines aren't interchangeable between guns, the magazines you had (2 or less) was what you were issued with and they'd have your ass if you lost one
I have 5 SVT-40s all from different years and two different arsenals, I've swapped mags between all of them with no issues.
>meant to be loaded from clips
Pretty much, clips were cheaper and easier to make. It's not really a knock against the SVT though.
>poor accuracy potential
About as much as any russian wartime semi-auto. I'd say it's remarkably accurate for a 7.62x54R semi-auto that's lighter than the bolt action nuggets and weighs basically the same as the SKS.

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The SVT-40 is a great rifle, but I do agree with some points. Maintenance is not difficult, but can be particular if you don't know the various little tricks that make it easier to get back together. It's definitely not Soviet peasant proof, that's for sure.
I also think they're a bit underbuilt in the receiver area for hard use.

They're pretty long, but a lot handier than you'd think. They also balance well and are pretty light, especially for a 1940's semi-auto.

>>33946164
>>33945056

That's what the adjustable gas system is for. They're only over-gassed if you're a retard and max out the adjustment. Do it right and they're reliable.

Adjust the system properly and they're fine. Mine's got a couple thousand rounds through it and isn't beat to shit in the slightest. I will admit the gas cup rusts like a motherfucker if you even s much as look at it. The stainless replacements are superior.

>>33944996

SVT-40's were issued with 3 mags to a gun. They're serialized (or were before the soviets mixed all the parts postwar) with a -1, -2, or -3 suffix.

>>33947393

>Accuracy

I'm surprised no one brings this up more often. I like the SVT, but goddamn did they fuck up the stock attachment. The receiver and barrel are only tangentially affixed to the stock, hence the weird vertical stringing they exhibit.

If I had to carry the SVT-40 into battle, the first thing I'd do would be to hose clamp the damn thing to the stock to try and keep it from wobbling all over when firing.

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>>33948771
mine, as well as all the ones imported that i've seen to date, performs just fine. there aren't many because it was trial/prototype rifle. all the ones i've seen in the US were beat up far more compared to all the other chink 90s sks imports which shows that they were tested quite a bit.

the type 63 is being phased out because there's no point in continuing down that road. just as no one except third world shitholes still uses AKs, and even then in all but the poorest of those countries they modify them to fix as many of the shortcomings as possible.

if you don't know what you're talking about then don't respond instead of removing all doubt about the fact that you're talking out of your ass.

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>>33948814
> I like the SVT, but goddamn did they fuck up the stock attachment.
The shot stringing is so fucking real, Jesus Christ.

>>33948841
>the type 63 is being phased out because there's no point in continuing down that road
This proves my point exactly, thank you.
> just as no one except third world shitholes still uses AKs
Anon, this is just not true, and even flat out ignorant.
>if you don't know what you're talking about then don't respond instead of removing all doubt about the fact that you're talking out of your ass.
You seem needlessly hostile, angry, and you are very poor at debating. Goodbye.

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>>33948849
>>33948814
Weird. I got 5 SVTs from various years and the two arsenals, they don't really string. I've shot them until the wood smoked, and although the group expanded because heat mirage over the sights, the center of the shots were still basically in the same spot.

I had two chink M14 rifles that would string over 16 acrmins from cold to hot. 16 fucking minutes.

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>>33948841
Goddamn anon you sure do sound like some buttplasted stupid poverty SKS nigger, lol.

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>>33948868
good job declaring yourself the winner after proving that you have no idea what you're talking about. i'm sure that would have gotten you many upvotes on reddit.

>>33948683
>if not for stalin, it's entirely possible that the sks would be an AK competitor to this day.
in what way was this possible? the sks cost more to make and was more in line with the semiauto rifles of wwii than the direction the soviets were wanting to go with assault rifles.

>>33948894
probably is his first rifle that he bought recently.

>>33948640
Not true for all of us.

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>>33948939
I remember the high I had after getting mine like seven years ago. Good times.
>>33948945
Don't sell your country short anon, there's bound to be a lot more than a 100 Moosefuckers here.

>>33948882
Maybe you got lucky and/or the stocks were actually bedded properly. Fact is, stringing was such an issue with the rifle that they were promptly pulled from sniper duty by and large as a result.

>>33948945
pretty sure the rifle being inferior to the Garand and SKS in many major ways and being doomed as soon as the war was over applies to the SVT as a whole, no matter who owns them

>>33948707
>spending money on the ammo for these guns goes straight into the pocket of Americas economic enemies.

IDK how you get your ammo, but even if I buy bulk slav ammo I still have to give money to other Americans to get it you fucking twit.

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>>33945004
You can fuck yourself.
Although i am thinking of selling it to help fund a sp5k

>>33948814
>I will admit the gas cup rusts like a motherfucker if you even s much as look at it
Just don't shoot corrosive. I clean mine twice a year and don't have any issues at all with rust.

>>33948975
Seven years and you're still a retarded poorfag that buys bottom and the barrel trash. Funny how somethings don't change.

>>33944976
By lose you mean steal and sell for krokodil.

>>33948975
Lol, Not selling it short, just not emotionally invested in how good The SVT 40 is. I like mine but I prefer my Garand or AG 42 over it.

>>33949058
>bottom barrel trash

Breh he has a fucking C96. What do you have?

>>33947073
Yea, but who even asked about how good it was? OP just asked about the magazine, and this nigga just decided to add "its shit" like that is Helpful at all

>>33949072
>bolo
How much of a poorfag do you have to be to admire another poorfag?

>>33949086
>Implying

Post your arsenal breh.

>>33948987
I don't think they were ever put into any sniper duty.

There's scopes with mounts made for them, and there exists a few odd rifles which had the slot for taking them, but they're rare, the idea was probably abandoned before they were fielded.

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>>33949058
I just got back from sighting in my ACOG. What optics do you have, anon?
>>33949086
>bolo
Oh dear, that's been gone for going on 6 years now and replaced by a Pre-War Commercial. Have you been in a coma?

>>33947700
t. butthurt AR manufacturer/retailer
This may shock you but some people enjoy both slavshit and western guns.

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>>33950764
>I don't think they were ever put into any sniper duty.
Au contraire.
> and there exists a few odd rifles which had the slot for taking them
I'm pretty sure the first two years of production or so had the scope rail mounts in the receiver. Mine, a 1940 production, has it. Hardly rare, just not the majority of production.

>>33944976
this

plus it's immensely cheaper to produce and a lot lighter to carry many stripper clips than it is to carry separate magazines, especially when both are roughly just as fast to reload

>>33951283
Stripper clips were the main thing used to reload the FAL up into the 80's. It is hardly surprising that it was the primary war to reload your rifle in war time.

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>>33945004
For the time the SVT-40 was a pretty fantastic semi-automatic rifle, it's main problem is that it's kinda a maintenance queen and it can be a fucking pain to disassemble if you're not sure what you're doing (hell, even if you do know she can get finicky at times).

t. Canadian

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>>33951957
>TFW would like a nice SVT40 in my life because 54r

>I never seem to find any for sale in my state or willing to ship

Don't need another long gun for the time being anyway. I need a more solid storage solution than I have right now.

>>33951264
Didn't snipers mainly use the SVT for short range work and propaganda ops? Its not lol 10MOA as some people claim but they weren't as accurate as a new PU nugget would have been