Is there any combat situation where a chainsaw would be practical,

>>33944675
Mars gets overrun by demons?

>>33944675
You could probably throw a chainsaw at someone if you wanted

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>>33944675

You could cut down trees to block a path

>>33944860
>det cord

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"RPC!! GET DOWN!!!"

Chainsaws are barely practical out of combat. In heavy use they require more daily maintenance than a firearm.

>>33944675
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8WyXv7hQvE

>>33944675
Only if you're fighting a tree.
Barely surpasses dumping a p90 mag on it because of cost ineficiency.

>>33944675
Yes, but only as a sidearm. It's too noisy, but fear is a legit weapon

Also, I fucking love the 40k chainsword. I've got a bunch of headcanons about it.

>>33944675
No. They are cool and fun but a bitch to actually use. They are finnicky about starting. They like to sputter out and quit. Their gas tanks are small. The blades don't stay sharp all that long. They need to be tightened and set up correctly. They're super fucking dangerous to the user.

I guess I mean if it was the only weapon available I'd rather have it than nothing, but be prepared for it to quit on you and then you won't be able to start it before the other guy can attack you.

Oh also they're not balanced very well, so you can't really even strike with it at distance. It's like holding a weird brick.

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>>33944675
You want one of these bad boys. I use the same diamond blade to cut through rocks, rebar, wire mesh, wood you name it. Harder to fuck yourself up with and easier to wield.

>>33945580

I agree, but the weight/momentum of the spinning blade would make it a bitch to swing around. It was a pain in the ass to pick it up and swing it to cut a concrete pipe after spinning it up...

>>33945603
I dunno matey I find the live torqe when you hold it wide open makes it easier to wield like it has a gyroscope or some shit, I often use it one handed and pretend im a fighting mech

Also if you remove the blade while its spinning it flies off like a Frisbee of death, alternatively you can just barely tighten it and then hold it wide open (and then run away) and the blade will fly off and lodge itself in a wall.

Do you think a circular bladed weapon should have a guard of some sort or the guard removed?

>>33944831
What is warhammers for them using so many melee weapons intead of just shooting each other?

>>33944675
best movie ever

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>>33944675
Well if you happen to be using one and someone tries to fuck with you while your doing it then giving them a smack with it should fuck them up fairly well.
>Any power cutting tool is very impractical to carry around for the purpose of being a weapon but if your already using it when shit hits the fan then its an extremely effective weapon.

>>33945672
the stage of war today is not comparable to the factors of total absolute war. In a years long attrition conflict it is all the more likely that you will run out of ammo.

Furthermore our military techniques are not applicable against giant waves of opponents trying to rapidly close into close combat with no interest in preserving themselves. Imagine facing a bayonet charge, but they can run three times faster than the fastest human and have no conscious reaction to pain, meaning anything but a mortal would may as well be superficial. Any infantry based weapons would have to be incredibly destructive and its likely they will be reaching close combat.

Similarly, using close combat becomes more approachable by any intelligent living thing once you can run several times faster than a man and have much more endurance. to actually get there.

and its cool

idk I saw a video of some cartel dude executing a guy with a chainsaw and it fucked him up pretty severely

>>33945740
If running out of ammo is an issue, so is running out of gas to power your chainsaw.

>>33946195
You think this guy doesn't have an answer for that?

I spend too much fucking time sharpening the chain to use it on a human, also I imagine the blood would seize it up pretty quick. It gets seizes when I cut lots of macrocarpa from the sap, I can only imagine what horrors blood would do to my precious stihl.

>>33944675
You have to fight an army of Treants

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*blocks your path

>>33946441
Simmer down Chap.

>>33945508
>>33946436
bretty much these

mechanical breaching

>>33944675
Unless the other person has a gun.

>>33945649
>if you remove the blade while it's spinning it flies off like a Frisbee of death

We dead space now

>>33944675
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8118412&page=1

whenever you have one

>>33945580
>Worm drive
Much nigga

>>33944737
>air breathing engine with blades
>use it on mars
>against ethereal beings
Makes sense to me

>>33946281
Biofuel
>tfw the chaos weapons are powered by farts

>>33944675
when you have to fight wood

also against humans or animals, I suppose fear/noise factor

A friend of mine had a chainsaw chain hung from his belt as a variant of the traditional bike chain.

>>33946828
>when you have to fight wood
Remind me to grab a chainsaw when the ents attack.

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Only when your fighting the hordes of hell.

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>>33944675
Chainsaw not useful but pic related could possibly be.

>>33944675
Maybe if the other guy doesn't have a gun and you don't have a gun but you have a chainsaw.

>>33947617
>stockless rifle with a chainsaw moving around the handguard

>>33946949
Kek

>>33946798
joke went right over your head m8

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>>33945740
I'm a massive 40k fag, but that's wrong. It's just post justification by book authors and fans. The main reason was that GW decided chainswords are cool.
Because if 40k was realistic, it would be
>Imperial Navy arrives in system
>gets in a shootout with Orks, the projectiles taking a few hours to even reach other and everything hinges on the captain making little course adjustments while trying to calculate enemy projectile paths
>after decimating the Ork fleet, they take positions over the planet
>orbitally bombard anything that can be hit and is expendable
>land whole armies around the remaining Ork outposts
>if possible just starve/goad them out and obliterate them with artillery
>if not, enter the outposts with an overwhelming display of combined arms where the majority of infantry probably won't even fire their weapons

But luckily for us it's
>Imperial Navy tears out of the hell dimension, their ships screaming as they translate back into reality
>immediately charge the Orks, shooting tank sized projectiles at each other at like 10km
>broadside the fuck out of the Ork flagship, one of the wounded ships rams it just to be sure
>achieve orbit over the planet
>land tanks and infantry in giant flying boxes 50 metres away from the city gate, they all rush out and start shooting
>meanwhile send drop pods right into the middle of the biggest concentration of Ork forces, the Marines immediately start slaughtering with their chainsword
>the battle ends when the Marine captain beheads the Ork Warboss

>>33947617
Semi related, I came up with this bullpup bolter design with an integrated chainsaw for muh tacticool SM chapter. Basically it's meant for Assault Marines who are meant to harry opponents into kill zones or flank them from range, not your typical melee variant of assault marines. It's integrated so it's sturdier, plus the longer barrel makes the bolt exit with higher velocity before the jets kick in.
Any thoughts on my shitty sketch?

>>33946195
they literally have a nuclear reactor in their power armor powering it

>>33947731
Didn't mean literally. Just that the concept was neat.
>>33947831
I think the only advantages of the chainsaw bayonet are as a tool/brush clearing device and for psychological purposes (scaring the shit out of people). but everything else would depend on how small and reliable the engine and other mechanisms could be made.

>>33947831
what about when the imperium doesnt massively outgun and outnumber the enemy force there boyo? Aka, every 40k story we actually read about.

The scenario you first described obviously happens 99.9 percent of the time. But not every battle is crusade tier imperium forces.

And nothing I mentioned is limited to humans/chainswords

>>33944675
Yes and yes

>>33945580
But can it cut through an iron car?

>>33946469
Underappreciated kek

>>33944675
I could see if you needed a bundle of logs to fill a ditch so that your armored or mechanized convoy could traverse through an area in a jiffy.

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>>33944675
Door breaching

>>33945534
holy shit there's an actual adult on this marzipan figurine forum that knows what the fuck they're talking about

>>33944675
defending your village from meddlesome Secret Service agents

>>33951209
Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnlfsD9We8&feature=youtu.be&t=1m37s

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>>33945534
>He doesn't own a Stihl
>He is probably a Husqvarna peasant

Yes. But only if you're camping in a cabin in the woods and find:
..An evil book

..A recorded message of occultist chants

..All of your friends get possessed by Candirian demon's

..Evil infects your hand turning it against you

..You open a time rift and get transported back to a demon infested middle ages

..Destroy a skeleton army

..Return to present day time and resume dead end job

----OR-----

Be from Texas

>>33944675
cutting down trees

>>33944675
It's really intimidating by the virtue of being loud and a high powered tool that's dangerous to touch.

A lawnmower makes a shit weapon but goddamn if you don't get people ducking and backing off if you lift it up and shove the spinning blades towards them.

This would be EXTREMELY situational though.

>>33945580
Probably true, but it's not as cool.

>>33945764
You might as well say a Turkey Carver is good because you could execute a tied up dude with one.

>>33946431
It'd make a hell of a mess and you'd basically have to stop and clean the entire thing, but there are some teeth which are better suited for cutting meat, I'm thinking you could ruin at least one dude with it before it becomes too gummed up to run.

Also it helps to not swing it, that's obviously really dangerous because it can make it recoil.

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>no one has mentioned how it would get tangled in basically anything loose/soft like hair, clothes, etc.

Cya kids

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>>33946798
Play some videogames.

>>33954195
>tearing someone's scalp off isn't a great display of terror

What would a PURPOSE BUILT COMBAT CHAIN BLADE be like?

How would you overcome the limitations of normal chainsaws.

I think rotary blades need another look too.

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>>33954340
a sturdier version of this

>>33945534
I had a wood cutting business in highschool, where I would cut beetle kill trees, trim, cut them to length and then split them for use as firewood. Pretty much this, my Farm boss was a hell of a chainsaw but as a weapon, it boarder line useless. They only thing I could think of using it for in a tactical environment is as a breaching tool, even then a metal cutting circular saw would be waaaaay better. They're fun, if a tad dangerous but they're tools not weapons.

>>33954157
I tried spitting a deer with one once, it seized after about a foot. Had to spend 3 hours the next day cleaning gore and bones off the sprocket, out of the chain groove and off every individual drive link.

>>33954340
More of this.

>>33945534
And let's not forget that if it isn't in tip top shape the blade will get caught in what you're cutting, and that it vibrates like a massive dildo.
If I had to design one for offensive use it would be electric with a reverse button to dislodge it.
Good luck carrying batteries and oil.

>>33954195
It grabs on the clothes so that it can run for the neck.

>>33947895
Okay, let's take the Marine chainsword and assume it works as depicted in the fluff. Then it's a valid secondary weapon.
But the problem is it doesn't make sense to produce them in the first place. Before and during DAoT the only serious threat was the Eldar, everything else was just minor skirmishes. Orks were small time, but numerous raiders while Necrons and Tyranids were not active. Chaos was supposed to be beaten before they could pose a major, physical threat in the form of Daemons. The other races don't really require a dedicated melee weapon. So why would the Emperor outfit his Space Marines (maybe even Thunder Warriors, I can't remember if they had them) chainswords?

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>>33945526
My explanation is that blades are electrically driven. Maybe with a promethium engine spinning a generator like a tiny diesel electric locomotive. Max torque at zero RPM and quickly reversible blade movement ftw.
Two or more chains running parallel to reach other but spinning I'm opposite directions also seems interesting

How do they work in your head?

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>>33954340
Probably something like a retro scratcher chain. Maybe have a sweeping blade (a blade set perpendicular to the others) every two or three links to help clear the path of the cut.

>>33956948
Go on.

>>33947510
one of the things that annoyed me about the new game was the chainsaw wasnt unlimited. it was a special use weapon to get power ups. lame.

>>33957619
Ok. Well, the best way to do mechanically assisted cutting would probably be too vibrate the cutting edge at a very high frequency but with a relatively low amplitude. You could use electroactive material being acted on by a capacitor to avoid having more conventional moving parts. Think an electric carving knife writ large. Unfortunately that is basically a Star Wars vibroblade and I dumped Star Wars a while ago.
For a chain weapon, you would probably be looking to make cuts fairly big looking, but not necessarily that deep. At least, you wouldn't be going through people with The giant shrouds that the 40k chain weapons often have. Imagine a chainsaw chattering along the bones of your leg or arm, stripping of the muscle and everything else as it goes. Or digging a three inch deep trench through the skull, for that matter. That's plenty to convince most people to stop fighting and die if blood loss.
I am thinking the teeth would need to either be angled to kick the ground up meat out of the cutting track (<<<<<<<), or have an an interrupted pattern to clear the cut, or both (<<<l<<<l<<<).
Drive would be electric, for reasons that I already said, as well as being resistant to stalling.

>>33958701
Numba one here has got the plan.

>>33951209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_QnsI1wv40

>>33956664
Because they run out of ammo, they are designed to be left on a planet for years without support. In fact I have literally never read a space marine story where at one point the entire squad didn't run out of ammo. and ended up beating shit to death with their fists and knives.

And to set this straight how many space marine even have a chainsword bro? On average like one in thirty, 1/2 of seargents have a bolt or combi weapon. Assault marines are designed to be shock troops: to make the enemy route and chainsaws are scary, id rather get shot.

he originally intended all the space marines to have volkite weaponry and power weapons but during the great crusade and horus heresy shit got to hot.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ullanor_Crusade

This is big daddy horuss greatest loyalist victory and the most important campaign in the great crusade and it was against orks bro, and the next major orc campaign was the war of the beast WHICH MADE IT TO TERRA

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>>33947831
Looks like Azrael's plasma combi bolter with a bit of a dental problem.

>>33944675
cutting down trees over roads to slowdown or ambush mecanized in forest. With a fireman's chain on a regular bar , you can cut your own entry into a lot of US construction.

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>>33945580

>>33945764
Saw that vid. Was pretty sick

>>33960375
God just imagine the kickback trying to use that thing.

>>33947831
Wouldn't that bayonet have less reach than a plain combat knife?

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>>33947831

>>33944860
cutting a tree quickly so it falls where you need it is a skill you can accquire. drop the trees from both sides, downhill and crossing each other makes time consuming to clear. booby trap or ambush

>>33951300
>>33954340
fire departments buy them. https://www.ebay.com/p/?iid=221786058680&lpid=82&&&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Frover.ebay.com%25252Frover%25252F1%25252F711-117182-37290-0%25252F2%25253Fmtid%25253D1588%252526kwid%25253D1%252526crlp%25253D183016357862_324272%252526itemid%25253D221786058680%252526targetid%25253D340520960847%252526rpc%25253D0.08%252526rpc_upld_id%25253D121644%252526device%25253Dt%252526mpre%25253Dhttp%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.ebay.com%2525252Fulk%2525252Fitm%2525252Flike%2525252F221786058680%2525253Flpid%2525253D82%25252526chn%2525253Dps%252526adtype%25253Dpla%252526googleloc%25253D9011126%252526poi%25253D%252526campaignid%25253D764892186%252526adgroupid%25253D39783961149%252526rlsatarget%25253Dpla-340520960847%2526itemid%253D221786058680%2526targetid%253D340520960847%2526device%253Dt%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9011126%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D764892186%2526adgroupid%253D39783961149%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-340520960847%2526abcId%253D978836%2526merchantid%253D101990386%2526gclid%253DCNCS2pzF8NMCFceCswodAxEDVQ%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1214764288665&ul_noapp=true&chn=ps

>>33945649
>I often use it one handed and pretend im a fighting mech
good lord

If the Ents decide to rise up to lay waste to Isengard

>>33963702
Uruk plz go. Orc will always be weaksauce compared with Ork.
>He doesn't even chain choppa

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>>33962594
>quality link

>>33956664

If I recall 2nd Ed lore, the chainswords exuded psychic energy which would be good against demons and would tear through armor like a hot knife through Tau. Bolters as I recall, didn't explode til after penetration, so to don't work against heavy armor. Much like chainfists, which according to the codex, could breach a hull door. I mean, melee weapons are great for dealing with space hulks.

>>33962594
Holy mother of links.

>>33960813
Okay, if we assume that the chainsword was the best alternative over power weaponry, then I kinda see the point.
But I'd argue that Marines are not designed to be left alone without support, especially for years. During the Great Crusade they were frontline shock units, now they are spec ops shock units. Sure they can wreck havoc, even if stranded for years, but something went wrong for that to happen.
And to nitpick further, Ullanor was at the end of the Great Crusade. The Orks weren't hot shit before they got united under that Warboss. And the Beast happened long after the Heresy and was only effective due to the Imperium growing lax, politics and the Orks employing never before seen tech.
>pls no spoilers, I'm halfway through The Beast Must Die

>>33962182
>>33962421
If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears.

>>33962252
It's still as big as a Marines fist, but I could extend it a little. But it's not meant primarily for dueling anyway. Muh tacticool Assault marines have two primary roles, either flanking enemy positions and engaging them at range or harrying enemy troops into killzones for waiting Devastators. So the bayonet is backup if they get caught off guard, not something they jump in with to duel.
>it's the same size as a normal bolter, so it doesn't impede them
>the bullpup configuration moves the internals behind, so the chainsword motor can be housed deeper into the bolter meaning it's less unwieldy and more robust than just a bayonet
>longer barrel so that the bolt exits at a higher velocity point blank, making it deadlier at point blank
>also they can cut into armour and immediately shoot into the rent/wound, which is cool
>the ergonomics and new center of balance make it easier to hold it one handed, so it's slightly more useful in combination with a gladius in the other hand than a bolter is

>>33966665
And just to explain further, I'm not arguing that chainswords are shit in 40k. But they work on spehs magic and are wielded by superhuman soldiers. I'm mostly arguing against the idea of them.
If Tyranids, or something similar but weaker, invaded Earth I doubt our militaries would start mass equipping soldiers with melee weaponry.

>>33966715
I think they make limited sense in the context of power armor that resists the overwhelming majority of threats the wearer faces.

Chain bayonets for SMs make a little less sense to me, as I expect that a muzzle bump from an eight foot super soldier wearing a strength enhancing suit would be plenty effective. That said, 40k is not exactly a setting home things that seem reasonable to the typical person.

Do you plan to model the things, or is this more of a thought experiment?

>>33946798

IIRC the Doom 2016 data entries say that Mars has been partially terraformed and has a breathable atmosphere.
The demon planes apparently also have an oxygen rich atmosphere, there are torches and fire pits all over the place.

>>33968145
Well 40k is mostly about stuff being complete overkill, so I think chainsaw bayonets make sense. Honestly I just like bullpups and wanted to "make" a bullpup bolter. And chainswords are cool as fuck, so why not combine the two. The benefits I posted earlier are just justifications after the fact. Because the advantages of a bullpup, so the longer barrel and smaller size, are basically completely useless things for a SM. So I decided to come up with a reason why a bullpup conversion would be justified.
This is more of a thought experiment I guess. Don't play 40k, but I spent an unhealthy amount of time in the DoW I army painter and I fleshed out a homebrew Chapter. Maybe I'll get a SM model or two and try to customize them in the future.

>>33944675
You're not going to be cutting or going between bone with a chainsaw. You can't really stab with it. It's pretty fucking useless. >>33945580 is slightly less useless.

>>33944675
Chainsaws aren't even practical in the movies. Maybe against someone completely understand armed.

Give me a baseball bat and I'd fuck a dude with a chainsaw up.

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>>33944675
>is there any combat situation where a chainsaw would be practical
Just the obstruction of key roads, planned invasion routes and gathering materials to build cover, and other stuff. This was quite a thing during Operation Portex, where the 65th Infantry Division (Defending the Island of Vieques) was playing a war game against the US Navy, Army and Marine Corps (Liberators of Vieques) in preparation for Korea. You can see some of the action used in the propaganda film.
>https://youtu.be/3tCteCNBYmI

>>33970058
>Division
whoops, meant regiment