Would it be a good idea to build a M16a1 style AR as my first

>>33938047
Just make sure the barrel is 20 inches and there's not much that can go wrong. Since it'll be a frankengun expect it's parts to feel a little loose.

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Mine was 1500 all told. It has all Colt parts but the lower and barrel. You can build one for less though if you don't mind it being not autistically correct

Also to add on, I'm sort of at a tossup between this build and buying an AK (SLR107). Only other rifle I have right now is an SKS.
Thoughts?

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>>33938047
You'll spend a fuckton to get one right which is off-putting so you'll cheap out on parts and end up building a monstrosity instead of an actual clone and that's fucking retarded.

Unless you're going to do it 100% correctly, which you won't, don't.

>>33938067
this is so fucking dumb it hurts

>>33938099
what retard buys a 100-series AK in 7.62

buy a Colt SP-1 or skip the whole thing

>>33938111
5.56 has always been meant to be fired out of a 20 inch barrel for proper muzzle velocity. It's also well known that built AR's feel more loose in their sockets than ones you buy outright fully built.

>>33938130
There's a thousand times more to an A1 build than just any 20" barrel you retard, and no, if you have regular parts its not going to be "loose in its sockets"

holy shit dude

>>33938162
Why should I believe the candy man with a woman's body part for a name?

>>33938177
Why should I resort to using actual arguments instead of ad hominem? t. you

You have yet to say anything in this thread worthwhile

>>33938130
>>>It's also well known that built AR's feel more loose in their sockets than ones you buy outright fully built.

>>33938162
>>no, if you have regular parts its not going to be "loose in its sockets"

The first anon is more correct. While the AR platform is extremely standardized, different companies have different ideas of what counts as "out of spec".

Which means that if you buy budget parts they will likely have more variance to them than if you buy parts from a company that sells expensive precision engineered components.

Stacking tolerances is also a thing, so while one or two slightly out of spec parts will likely make no difference having a budget AR made out of bargain bin parts makes for a gun that rattles like a maraca.

If you buy nothing but premium precision parts and assemble your own AR, it will probably have excellent fit and finish. However you'll be spending a lot more money. On the plus side, it will be exactly the way you want it.

t. Anon who has fired budget, production, and gucci AR's.

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>>33938047
Yes, make sure you get one without a forward assist and proper A1 mag release fencing

>>33938047
Browse Here:
http://www.retroblackrifle.com/

Ask question(and lurk) here:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/123_AR-15---M-16-Retro-Forum.html

And these are some good parts suppliers:

http://shop.ar15sport.ihoststores.com/category_v3.aspx?categoryid=91

http://www.nodakspud.com/AR%20Lowers.htm

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/lower-receivers/ar-15-m16a1-lower-receiver-prod88173.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=brownells

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-m16-a1-upper-receiver-prod83620.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=brownells

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrels/index.htm?avs%7cMake_3=AR-15&avs%7cManufacturer_1=brownells+military+barrels

http://www.gunbroker.com/

Another good resource: http://imageevent.com/willyp/firearmsalbums/uscoltarmalitem16ar15556

>>33938484
I've built over two dozen AR's. Cheap parts make a shitty rifle, not mixed parts. A Rock River lower and a Colt Upper fit together fine and would have no issue mounting a Windham barrel.

Don't use retarded parts, don't end up with a retarded gun. All AR's have looser tolerances to function.

>>33938495
A1's had a forward assist and full fencing you idiot

>>33938111
>You'll spend a fuckton to get one right which is off-putting so you'll cheap out on parts and end up building a monstrosity instead of an actual clone and that's fucking retarded.
>Unless you're going to do it 100% correctly, which you won't, don't.
just like you

>>33938537
I have one clone that is 100% correct bar the lower's roll mark and no auto sear, what are you on about?

>>33938550
>100% correct bar the lower's roll mark
i bet you didnt even use any colt parts

>>33938047
The parts kits are horrendously overpriced these days but there is nothing that makes it a particularly bad idea compared to building a different style of ar.
The handguards might be somewhat more of a hassle compared to a free floated handguard but they are not particularly difficult to install. Just don't be a weak-ass bitch and you will be ok.

>>33938085
>1500

Damn when did you build that? You could do the same for about 1,200 only a year and half ago including a punch set, upper vice block, barrel wrench, and a few miscellaneous detent springs and the like.

>>33938534
>A1's had a forward assist and full fencing you idiot
The later models did, the early models as Stoner intended didn't

>>33938555
It's literally got a Diemaco upper lmao

>>33938586
good thing you got that leaf upper for your leaf lower

oh wait.

do you even have a diemaco bolt? colt barrel? did you use a colt LPK? is every other part colt?

>>33938581
601's and 602's didn't but all 603's did. That means ALL M16A1's had forward assists and full fencing with the exception of the Air Force's 604 which isn't technically an A1.

>>33938595
Leaf lowers don't exist in this country, but also Colt a shit. I've got a meme FCG and BCG better than Colt, post AR faggot

>>33938609
>Unless you're going to do it 100% correctly, which you won't, don't.
>his shit clone isnt anywhere fucking close to 100% correct
im laffin

>>33938111
>tripfag
>full of himself
>thinks his opinion means something
Fuck off

>>33938621
>clone means using original parts
Back to second grade

>>33938632
>anon
>actually has self esteem issues irl
>thinks he adds to the discussion

Post AR

>>33938497
Thank you

>>33938636
>clone means what i say it does
top fucking kek m8 enjoy your abortion
>near 100% correct
>over half of the parts are wrong
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>33938660
Clone means copy, the parts are literally copies, but keep trying :^) you'll get there one day anon, I'm sure if you keep it up you'll find something that bothers me! I believe in you anon

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>>33938648
If you gave a shit about authenticity you would buy a factory built replica.

>>33938683
>Factory built C7 replica
Where pls

Also If you know where I can get a factory 605 or 606B I'm game

>>33938682
>bullied out of arg for having shit rifles
>i-it doesnt bother me
it does. otherwise you wouldnt have put the fagtech meme trigger in your rifle, the sign of you admitting defeat and realizing your gun is nothing more than a parts bin abomination

>>33938636
Parts made to the same spec are valid clone parts, manufacturer doesn't really matter. Everyone who actually builds clones will agree there

>>33938701
At this point you're even losing yourself, anon, maybe you should get some rest

I haven't been online at all for like a month lol

>>33938704
Right, if you use original parts to build a rifle it's not a clone, it's that original rifle

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$330 for upper and lower from nodak spud
$80 for PSA lower completion kit(sold the A2 stock for $28)
$40 for rear sight on Gunbroker
$249 For a PSA A4 upper that I removed Barrel, BCG, and Charging Handle from(sold the receiver for $50)
$120 for furniture set and flat slip ring on ARFCOM
$25 FFL fee for lower receiver

$844 total

>>33938682
>Clone means copy, the parts are literally copies
>he doesnt understand clones
sad!

>>33938760
Incorrect Barrel
Incorrect Flash hider
Incorrect Takedown pins
Incorrect Dust cover
Incorrect FSB

>>33938787
>incorrect lower
>no colt parts

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>>33938779
>ITT: What does authentic mean?

Looks like you're losing the fight, anon

>>33938792
>A2 lower is correct
>idk what "Diemaco" is

>>33938801
>everyone else who clones uses the right parts but i say i dont have to
>fostech is clone correct
amazing

>>33938813
rare C7 anderson lower
>not getting an 80% engraved
>starting a clone you know you cant do right
kek wdhmbt

>Start a thread
>Tripfag named after a vagina comes and fags it up
Ebin
>>33938760
Interesting, cheaper than I thought.
Can I get a quick rundown on what I'll need to put this together? Still pretty new to the AR scene.

>>33938856
>A2 lower is correct
>their """clones""" can't go third position
Post AR

>>33938901
>start a thread
>trip friend tells me not to half ass a clone
>less than fifty posts in someone posts perfect example of half assed build
>I like it and am gonna fuck up a build myself

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>moldy labia btfo by anon

keep up the work lads

>>33938924
I'm not going too sperg out about "m-muh all Colt parts!!" Because I just really like the look of the A1. If it looks like it, shoots well, and reliably works, that's fine by me.
Also stay the fuck out of the makarov threads

>>33938925
the one anon is actually a really good shitposter, im surprised

>>33938924
>>their """clones""" can't go third position
neither can yours
>i cant get the right lower so i may as well just give up and use whatever parts i want
>nearly 100%!!1

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I built this for less than $500 for all the parts shown (not my pic) and with the extra cash i bought a $90 SJC titan. I had to pay $20 for a jig to mill out the receiver, but that $20 came right back because a $19.99 sticker was on the Magpul stock box so i got a $40 dollar part for cheaper

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>>33938963
no

but if you're going to do an A1, do an A1. Don't mixmatch parts, it has too look like an A1 to be a clone, using only authentic parts no longer makes it a clone.

>>33938985
yes mine can lol
>A2 lower is correct

>>33939154
That thing is a monstrosity, but I like it.

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>>33939241
Its an iconic enough rifle as everybody knows those parts don't go together and it is still well received. I added a magnifier and Trij MRO like pic.

I'm going for a 6.5 Grendel M16A2 flat top(cuz fuck KAC rail) build with Cobray CM203 37mm with 1 - 6x30 or 4-12x40 . Its inspired by ME Andromeda and this will be my " space colony gun" if Spacex ever gets its ass up to the task

>>33938760
>PSA A4 upper that I removed Barrel, BCG, and Charging Handle from
>for upper and lower from nodak spud

Impressed you did it on a budget but the dust cover and more importantly the pigfat profile barrel are a bit disappointing.
How well does the F marked FSB work out with the carry handle upper?

>>33939327
what is this abortion

>>33939327
I'm a fan of the HK416/417 pistol grip, looks comfy

>>33939154
That's so wrong but so right

>>33938047
Sure, I'm sure somebody makes the triangular hand guards. Get a modern 20" barrel and all those Vietnam problems will be avoided.

>>33938047
Why do you need forward assist?
Are you firing ammo with WW2 propellant?

>>33940367
The vietnam problems came from the army changing ammo types without also replacing the springs, the 20 inch barrel has more to do with making the most of the 5.556 cartridge but you're not wrong.

>>33940367
This guy at a gunshow told me that we should be seeing a lot more new productions hand guards because colt is making a classic line and High Standard is making a lot of parts for them

>>33940367
>all those Vietnam problems will be avoided.
Lol.
Please educate yourself before posting.
From the guy who wrote Black rife 2
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYLkrethQA