SPACE GENERAL didn't know where else to post this pol is

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heres the pic from the reddit thread

kinda looks like the tumbler from batman

>>33934309
>>33934316
(there used to be a web link here)
Fucking "we think this is spam" filter.

Just Google "NASA Mars Rover".

Very neat.

>>33934309
the design of that thing is fucking moronic. why do you have all of those stupid aerodynamic bits on it? the martian atmosphere is effectively nil. why is it shaped like that at alt? why does it have a "v" hull? why is it closed in the first place? why are the only lights up above the windshield?

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>>33934381
looks cool and all but it dosnt need to be aerodynamic on mars
they wont be travelling fast

whatever happened to this bad boy

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>>33934309
>/pol/ with no forward slashes
>/b/ and /k/ with only one forward slash
>subs
>literally admitting to using reddit
Please never post on 4chan again.

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>>33934426
I agree completely but it does look cool

but this ugly thing is probly way more realistic
can travel sideways
and lets u jump in and out of a space suit with no airlock

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>>33934449
niga I juss wanna talk aboot space
get off my back
I am a newfag
how about being welcoming instead of a nigger for once in your life

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>>33934309
GIT OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>33934432
>>33934452
>>33934469
>Those rovers

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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did micheal bay design this
surprised it dosnt have a minigun

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does it even need to be pressurized
how far are we expecting these astronaut's to go from there landing sites?
why not just strap something like this to the lander

plus the weight savings
ops rover would probably require its own launch and landing

>>33934469
>how about being welcoming instead of a nigger for once in your life
How about you learn the culture before posting instead of demanding others humor you like an actual nigger? Faggots like you being tolerated is the reason this site's culture is eroding.
not /k/ related either. go to /n/ you turbo faggot.

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ya'll seen this thing

a blimp that floats around venus atmshpere then launches the crew back up to orbit with a rocket

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>>33934653
I hope nasa ends up doing badass shit like this in my lfe time

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just look up nasa venus blimp on youtube for the concept vid

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>>33934675
last one

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>>33934309
>space weapons
That's sort of a big no-no as far as international treaties and stuff go. A lot of it will most likely be less conventional force type things like kinetic or thermal damage and probably more like electronic warfare.
I don't think there is ever going to be big space warships or even really armored looking ones. Space is a big huge harsh environment where things can't really operate for long periods of time unless it's autonomous or remotely controlled.

I'm pretty sure the only decent movie that's ever had a space and military element added to it was Space Cowboys. Otherwise it's pretty much all science fiction with an emphasis on the fiction.

>>33934700
>>33934700
>I'm pretty sure the only decent movie that's ever had a space and military element added to it was Space Cowboys. Otherwise it's pretty much all science fiction with an emphasis on the fiction.
alright that must of sounded kind of random I was just trying to think of some space related weaponry or militarized space stuff I've heard of, the only other decent thing I can really think of as far as media goes would be BattleStar Gallactica. Except BSG is like the total opposite of what I think spaceships geared toward a military would be. It wouldnt make sense to have a military vehicle be anything other than a big self propelled glass cannon in space. Adding crews and life support systems would just slow it down and lower it's operational time making it's actual range of use pretty much useless in the scope of space.
Only other stuff is like halo and that's trash.

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>>33934700
I bet a few nations have missles flying around up there. but they keep it on the DL because they don't want public hysteria like 50s and 60s
>duck and cover
ppl were scared of the soviets putting nuclear missles on the moon back then.
they could use the "rod from god" , witch is just a giant chunk of tungsten/ really strong metal travelling very fast through the atmosphere and destroying the target like an asteroid. no war head or nuclear explosion

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and there are treatys against nukes right?
no treaty from the mighty hand of zues

>>33934873
>I bet a few nations have missles flying around up there. but they keep it on the DL because they don't want public hysteria like 50s and 60s
You know a few years ago I use to secretly suspect that but then I saw that movie again and realized I'd seen it years before and it was some inception type idea that I forgot where I heard about it from.

Personally though I still like the Reagen era space death lasers defense star wars idea. The tech is just starting to get useful, once plasma energy takes off it'll probably become a lot more practical. Then we'll have a weird steam punk space story.

>>33934309
Holy shit you sound beta, lame ass dildo sucking tiny balled piece of shit. Did you get the Prius or the PT Cruiser?

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manned space flight is dumb anyway
fuck rovers and blimps
send a god damn submarine to the planet that most likely has life on it
TITAN

>>33934469
Lurk more or kill yourself.

>>33934968
my mom bought me some chink civic
im gonna get a challenger soon tho faggot

>>33934533
>chin gun
>on a car

What if the enemy constructs a low berm?

>>33934426
Cause muh Matt Damon liberal circle jerking Martian.

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>>33934975
why lurk when I can shit post till dawn

>>33934469
>/pol/ is racist you nigger
Okay

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>>33934999
checked

also why is it always political with ya'll
how does anything in this thread have to do with liberals

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>>33934995
the fuck are u talking about
whats a chin gun
why would it get stuck on hills

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>>33935014
FUCK LIBERALS

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>>33935035
wtf is the point of this
it has a cargo bay in a fairing
did ice tea design this

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more rovers?

>>33934533
Isn't that from the original Total Recall?

>>33935140
no its from Armageddon
where oil drillers save the world and aerosmoth sings a song about it

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>>33934969
>>33934685
ive seen both these concept vids
anyone know of any other ones
preferably actual mission proposals from something credible like nasa or esa.
not sci fi basement dweller youtube vids
pic related its spacexs plan for a mars mission

>>33935035
It has a gun under the crew cab, like on an attack helicopter. But an attack helicopter flies and mostly shoots shit under it. A car drives, and mostly shoots at shit at it's own level. The correct place for a gun turret on a car is on the roof, not under the front bumper. You wouldn't be able to shoot at dudes right in front of you if you were too close to a 3' high sandbag wall and they would be on the other side, because while the driver would have a perfectly clear line of sight to them, the gun would not. Also if you run into a stump or something, you'll bottom out on the gun, which is going to be a lot more expensive than having Miguel at the auto body shop hammer your front bumper back into shape.


>>33935065
The cargo bay is for bringing shit back down from space. If they just wanted to send something up, they wouldn't put it inside a spaceship.

Possibly they send it up with very secret sensors and shit, open the doors, use them, and then return them directly to secret squirrel HQ with a full hard drive of extraterrestrial pornography or whatever the CIA is after up there.

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>>33935199
its gonna be yuge
but is it feasible ?

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>>33935206
makes sense

>>33934873
They're designed as anti-satellite satellites. Their use as kinetic bombardment weapons is secondary.

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>>33935254
what do you mean?
do they use secondary weapons to destroy sats and the missles to destroy land targets?

do these actually exist or is this concept?

thanks in advance

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>>33934309
that things dope looking

but I don't think looks matter that much in todays space race
what matters is your built by either Lockheed or boeing

if looks mattered this thing would be getting funding

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>>33935322
dream chaser is dope
is the guv'ment still giving boeing money for iss resupply and crew to leo.
even with all the progress spacex has made with reusables?
I havnt seen anything about boeing in a while
maybe there changing direction and gonna launch on a reusable of there own to try and comete with elon

boeing definitely wants to cash in on BIG contracts for space travel . i wouldn't be surprised if they beat out spacex just because i feel theres a shady relationship with boeing and the government. they get a lot of big money contracts
same with Lockheed and we know they are building the orion (and making a ton of $ while there doing it)

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>>33935410
im guessing there still at it because i think this pic is some what recent

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>>33935425
another pic

these suits use a soft helmet that's just inflated along with the rest of the suit
like a hood with a face mask

>>33935297
They were originally conceived as a way to take down Soviet spy satellites using tungsten rods launched to punch holes through the fragile outer shell. This was the 60's and 70's, mind, so everything was a bit less elegant. It was to be deployed at the behest of the Air Force, but was scaled up when an Army general asked if it could be used against ground targets. It was developed but never produced, officially, as it violated a treaty against weapons in space.

I've talked to a few engineers that claimed that they worked on the project, that it was a fairly low power railgun that launched telephone pole sized tungsten rods with the force of a low yield nuclear warhead. I doubt this, however, since we haven't used it. This may be due to some innate inaccuracy in the mostly gravity powered system. Most likely is that they developed and produced several prototypes and never made a version that was actually deployed in space.

>>33935322
Did not Colonel Steve Austin lose his legs and and a arm and one eye in a lifting body like this? My engineering firm has been working on this for 40 years and it still yaws in flight.

>>33935322
It doesn't look like it can get to orbit. Why would you fund a cool looking spaceship if you can't get it into space?

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is the buzz suit dead
i think it had back entry so it could work with these>>33934452
i know the post above is just the suit for launch like the orange ones nasa uses
and this would be used on the surface of mars or the moon

anyone know anything about the project?

>man mars needs clearer goals

are we gonna use the orion and go constellation style? or are we starting all over under trumps new mars plan

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>>33935491
it launches in a fairing
it could probably go on top of a falcon9, but i doubt they want to help out the competition

its made by sierra Nevada witch launches a bunch of sats and shit into orbit
they did some tests on it, i believe its still in development . for the iss resupply concract it was between this,boeing and spacex. it really looks like elon has taken the lead in the past couple years though. i know the dragon has docked with the iss for resupply but never brought crew up. i don't know if boeing has done the same as of yet, but i do know the dream chaser hasn't been to orbit yet.

>>33935410
You do realize nasa was paying Russia to use the soyuz rockets to get into space? The first second generation astronaut on the planet is an American, who's father was an American, had to pay the Russians to get into space.
There is nothing shady about it, American's with money have no interest in space until recently. It's kind of astounding that any elite rich people are even interested in space instead of depraved sadism towards others and excessive luxury for themselves.

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>>33935565
note the front ski instead of landing gear
it would actually use this when returning from orbit instaed of a wheel

also note that in this test one of the rear landing wheels failed to deploy and the ship flipped over just after touchdown. it would of been survivable tho! so not a complete fail of a test right?

>>33935565
I figured virgin galactic might of had a better concept putting a ship ontop of an airliner and launching it from that. Rockets might be more practical though since I haven't heard of anything else really working.

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>>33935570
ya all i was saying was spacex is definitely in the lead of the private space race yet i have a feeling the big contracts will still end up with boeing and Lockheed. look at the orion, billions of dollars being spent with no real idea of what its for?
is it gonna go back to the moon?
mars? its a little cramped for a long distance jorney like that

>>33935616
Ski's are probably pretty cheap and easy to replace. Unfuckingbelievable one of the wheels failed. Did they try to rebuild it with any of the left over parts?

>>33935655
i forgot about virgin galactic
they never even made orbit with spaceship one did they?

i think the idea was:

get a bunch of very wealthy ppl
launch on a sub orbital trajectory
feel weightless for a few mins
profit

tho im sure its just step one in a larger plan

>>33935667
I don't see money being used to get working systems as a waste. Space is worth more than any tax cost. Capturing even one extra terrestrial resource body, a small one like an asteroid even would be so fucking valuable it'd dwarf any investment made. Not to mention the stuff learned doing it and practical applications. I'm kind of tempted to start making a pdf, website, or blog about stuff developed from space because I argue about people with how useful space exploration is. SpaceX seems so far ahead of the race I'm practically surprised to hear anyone else is trying aside from balmer since he's been doing it for so long. I think spacex's approach to it has been a lot better though it inspires people and who knows how many people will see there are actually people doing that kind of work and it's a valid job field and not some secret crap someone ended up in some closed off field with little to no advancement and was practically a career dead end if it didn't work.

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>>33935671
i have no idea
i havnt really seen much news on the dream chaser for a while
like 2 years
hoping the project isn't dead

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>>33935667
you need to read up on the Orion
It is a modular system
The Orion Mars vehicle is far larger then a shuttle

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>>33935726
i agree with you about the importance of space travel
but asteroid capture seems a long way off, how would u get the resources back to earth with out yuge possibility's of a dinosaur level extinction ?
as for space travel in general i would like to see clearer goals set. i get that long term space travel needs to be experimented with before we set out to other planets. and we are doing that on iss . but it seems every president changes the goals from the last. set one big goal and go for it it! even tho all these probes and james webb telescopes are cool

also who is this balmer your talking about?
what concepts has he come up with?

also spacex has the best suits don't they folks

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>>33935798
ya bush planned the constellation missions and orion was part of that. then the mission got cancelled but they still fineshed building the orion

>>33935712
I'm not sure how far they got with it. Probably just the few seconds of weightlessness for a couple of hollywood producers to get a few shots to insert cgi on some company going out of business because they have a monopoly on demanding their work and don't care if they go out of business working for them.

>>33935834

Honestly it just blows my fucking mind anyone is against space exploration. Even if you want to be on some extreme end like being Amish and just waiting for the heat death of the universe when the sun goes out, there is no way to manage the current resources available and they're already at a tipping point of ecological disaster that even if most of those problems got solved the pollution stopped, and you were trying to survive a nuke or zombie outbreak, it's already so polluted it might not even correct itself, and when it does it's not going to be correct for people to go back to being a yeoman farmer. Exploring space gives opportunities for fixing that shit, they can't have successful space launches without monitoring the current climate. "oh hey let's just launch off a super expensive craft and risk it getting destroyed in a storm because the climate wasn't important". You can't put the genie back in the bottle, and putting people into space does make it more possible to live that way since there is more available territory and resources for people to spread out and do that kind of stuff.

As for getting them back, I really haven't thought about it. Assembling engines in space and figuring out how to get them to the rock, then mount them would be the easiest I imagine. I have no clue what is propelling asteroids I just figured they already have speed built up and are either crashing into things with enough gravity to drag them in, or dragging them in close enough that they gain more speed and fling around it and keep going. I guess putting them into orbit around the moon and harvesting them then returning stuff to Earth

>>33935876
Plus there isn't really any knowing until you harvest one if it has any unknown elements in it or what conditions could create them from stuff combined in it. It becomes way more feasible if you catch one to harvest to start constructing an orbital elevator and easing the burden of getting into space and vice versa.

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op here
heres one more

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is the digital powerfull enough to launch us into orbit thunder bird style?

>>33935834
>also who is this balmer your talking about?
>what concepts has he come up with?
I can't remember balmer palmer or allen, one of those microsoft guys has been playing around with getting a working rocket since at least the 90's. I don't really pay attention to it since I'm pretty sure people that got rich off microsoft hate people and would gladly on two conditions cannibalize poor people if it were
1 socially acceptable.
2 cheap.

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Moonraker had damn good effects for '79 imo. How cool would it be to have a harem of whores, an entire fleet of shuttles, a space station and a cluster of modern pyramids in a tropical paradise?

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The Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-105 part of a programme known as the Spiral (aerospace system), was a manned test vehicle to explore low-speed handling and landing.[2] It was a visible result of a Soviet project to create an orbital spaceplane. This was originally conceived in response to the American Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar military space project and may have been influenced by contemporary manned lifting body research being conducted by NASA's Flight Research Center in California, USA. The MiG 105 was nicknamed "Lapot" Russian: лaпoть, or bast shoe (the word is also used as a slang for "shoe"), for the shape of its nose.

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a space thread on /k/

needs more patches

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>>33935985
Spiral would have been a shitshow.

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>>33936091
ya its like a space fighter

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i think its called a 50/50 spaceplane
it would take off like a plane, then fly to a high altitude and separate. the large part would return and land while the spaceplane on top would rocket into orbit then return like the shuttle

>never actually went to orbit

>>33934309
How about you noose yourself instead plebbit nigger.

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>>33936184
bottom view

i don't think they ever made the carrying vehicle
only the orbiter

>>33934469
How about you lurk moar faggot

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60s was such a cool time for spaceflight/ aviation in general

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>name the 5 best space fairing machines ever


skylon


skylon
skylon skylon and skylon

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>>33936143
my issue is more
>sharp nose on a hypersonic platform
There's a good reason they use blunt noses for hypersonics.

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chinas sent robotic landers to lunar surface and says no sign of Apollo mission

>mfw gina is the first nation to put a person on the moon

>>33936263

You are a moron.

>>33934469
Kill yourself fagit

>>33934426
Fucking Martian ieds
Dirty ass space sand people need to just fucking die already

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>>33936263
Reminder that metric is only good for crashing things into celestial bodies.

Imperial master race.

>>33934309
>I saw this on reddit earlier
Kindly go and stay go.

>>33936256
>looks at one cartoon rendering and thinks hes an expert
its nicknamed the shoe because of its blunt flipped up nose.....

and the nose is covered during acsent........

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>>33934653
It's like animorphs

>>33936295
I'm talking about the air launch platform you retard. The launch platform was supposed to be hypersonic.

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>>33935014
Go back to /reddit/ and never come back.

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>>33936290
>thinks his nation isn't a bunch of liars
>thinks his nation made it past the van allen belts in the 60s

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>>33936321
>quotes a cartoon
>expects ppl to know hes talking about a different pic
>calls u a retard


kys faggot

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>>33936357
>NASA reports are now cartoons
anon what

nasa didn't draw this
>>33936143

nasa drew this>>33936375

>>33935834
Apparently those images are from Reddit and Elon hasn't actually released images of them yet. But he did get famous hollywood costume designer Jose Fernandez to design it, that's a fact we know from interviews.

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>>33936393
And? My complaint was with the air-breathing hypersonic first stage proposed for Spiral, not the orbiter. Are you illiterate?

>>33936290
When did Liberia and Burma go to the moon?

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at least chinas space program has direction
they may very well be the first nation on the moon

instead of throwing money into cancelled projects and a million other sattilights and probes. if they keep it up they will be on the moon in 20-30 years. there already starting experiments for long distance travel on there own space station

>with blackjack and geishas

'merica dosnt even have a spaceship anymore. they gotta cuck a ride with the Russians

>>33936412
Sometime between 1969 and today, apparently. You never would have thought those guys had their shit together.

>>33934469
You'll get endless ridicule being such a faggot, follow these simple instructions.

Lurk more, as in, read but don't post.

It's obvious you have no idea how 4chan works, so wait until you do before you embarrass yourself any more.

>>33936421
>they may very well be the first nation on the moon
You're reaching flat-earther levels of delusion here. What's the deal? I thought the Chinese shills were better than this.

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the senzou is probally the best thing flying today. based of the Russian soyouzs design:
engine and life support on the bottom
return capsule in the middle
crew compartment up top with living space , gear ,food ,storage and even a toilet
the Russians have been using this design since the 60s. both the bottom and top portion burn up in the atmosphere on re entry. only the capsule returns. but its not a complete copy of the soyouz. its bigger and has much more modern tech and avionics . and it can survive deep space radiation exposure so it can venture beyond LEO and onto the moon

>>33934584
This post gave me cancer.

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>>33936498
makes sense
the nips beat there kids into being educated
throw the excess cunts in the river
theres more then a billion of them
so statistically more likely to have genius's

>only a matter of time

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>>33936404
lol are u still trying to make yourself look like your nott an ass

u quoted a cartoon render of a picture, saying yatta yatta about muh aerodynamics. then u got called out on the fact that the mig-105 spiral is nicknamed the shoe (because of its aerodynamic shape). then u start calling people retards for not knowing you were talking about different pictures

kys

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whats this guys deal?

they call him robonaught. hes on the iss now
i guess he does repairs and shit

>>33936263
>believing China over the US
kek'd honestly
you can literally see the apollo landing sites on the moon from earth with a decent telescope
kys commie shitposter, when will the chinks finally ban 4chan so you go away?

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>>33936605
china has ten times the tech capacity of any other nation. go back to your hamburger

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>>33936635
kek look at this fucking boondoggle they're planning

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/asia/china-one-belt-one-road-explainer/index.html

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>>33936641
look at there rifle
its a working version of the xm29 / oicw

>>33936739
yeah I'm sure they'll be using it in Syria/Afghanistan/Iraq any day now

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>>33936635
>>33936641
>>33936739
>chink shills triggered this hard
Are you still mad about me pointing out you can l see the Apollo sites from Earth?

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>>33934469
And here we see a form of ritualistic hazing. The chimps, usually a tight-knit community, react violently to the newcomer. The new chimp, desperate to evade and escape the attack, makes a final screech and flees.

>>33936782
Whats funny is that no country on Earth posesses the ability to fly humans to the moon ATM.
NASA lost the engineers and know-how who worked on the Apollo missions (to say nothing of the funding required).

So if any slat-eyes landed on the Moon, it would still be a great technological leap for everyone as it would mean we actually have the technology, not just the ability, to get people over there.

>>33936810
>tries to trip
stop embarassing yourself

>>33934426
Clearly, you know Jack shit about Mars. Shut the fuck up when grown folks is talking.

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>>33936853
>tries to trip
what does that mean? like this<--
wtf are you talking about

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night guys

>>33936853
If you're implying I'm the op, I'm not. I just figured if I'm gonna post on the regular, people might want to know which specific faggot they're talking to.

>>33936937
yeah but your failure was assuming that anybody cares who the fuck you are

>>33936954
Yeah but your failure was assuming I cared that anyone cared that they would care if I possibly cared but due to my lack of aforementioned caring the fact that others don't care reflects my equal lack of cares for assuming my care forthwith.

>>33937000
that was funny so I'll give you one more (You) but this is it

>>33937006
K

>>33934995
thats an asteroid drill from armageddon

>>33936853

How about you stop doing it yourself.

He is what you would call a namefag, not a (secure with two #'s) tripfag like i am.

>>33936559
>t. illiterate chinaman

>>33936826
Even worse actually - when they ended the Apollo missions, they put a bunch of the relevant programs/punchcards in storage and ended up losing a lot of important programs over the years. So now even if you could find engineers willing to work with FORTRAN, you wouldn't even be able to just re-do Apollo because a lot of the pieces aren't there anymore.

>>33936905
Oh shit, I wasn't expecting that.

>>33934533
ben afelek told micheal bay why don't they just train astronaughts to drill into the astoriod

michal bay told him to fuck off lol

>>33936313
lol she got called racist for saying black people have dumb names

>>33934469
Lurk moar. Then lurk for one (1) additional year. Then kys. Then fuck off back where you came from

>>33934309
>>33934469

OP kill yourself. Leave and never return.

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>>33938671
ya when they building the orion they lost the original recipe for the heat shield. remember the shuttle used tiles. and Apollo and Orion wil be entering the atmosphere at much higher velocity's ten the shuttle ever did so it needs a better heat shield. it took them some time to reverse engineer exactly how to make the shield

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>>33939776
over budget, useless piece of garbage.
they cancelled the whole constellation missions.....yet Lockheed martin still got paid a fortune to finish it. why? this will probably never carry humans out of the atmosphere!

>>33934528
AEIOU

JOHN MADDEN

>>33934528
SOISOISOISOISOISOISOISOI
FOOTBALL!

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>>33934449
You fucked up you dumb bitch.

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>'mericas space program

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>>33940066

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>>33934469
mmmm
yes
give me my (You)'s

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>>33934653
this thing is fucking dope
I hope they have a bunch of space blimps flying around in my life time

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>>33940735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0az7DEwG68A

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>>33936421
>at least chinas space program has direction
>they may very well be the first nation on the moon

I may be wrong but I think someone has already been to the Moon...

But the Moon is a dead end anyways and isn't viable for a colony, Mars is the only useful real estate in the solar system and the cost of a Mars mission isn't much more then a Moon mission.

Anybody interested in what Mars colonization might be like, ought to read these books, which IMO is the 2nd best sci-fi story after "Dune".

>>33939490
its obvious your are sperging out after being called a nigger and now are samfagging in a pathetic attempt to get attention. Honestly you have autism don't you?

>>33940905
Love those books
So much better than they ought to be

>>33940735
>50 kms
Most boring mission ever. Flying above clouds and see nothing. Make sustainable dirigible that can fly 10 meters above Venus surface. That would be a thing.

>>33941197
>not wanting to be able to walk around outside the gondola with just a breathing mask

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>>33936290
>2. Those who faked going to the moon
FTFY

>>33941231
It was cleared by the lander rockets

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>>33935502
>is the buzz suit dead

Nah. That was Z-1, and now they are working on Z-2 with these TRON wannabe neon markings

>>33940905
>2nd best sci-fi story after "Dune".
Well if you're talking about quality of the writing, that's a pretty low bar to set.

>>33941231
what is atmosphere?

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>>33934469
fuck of you master chief cock sucking nigger

Who /orbitalkineticmissiles/ here?

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>>33941197
theres a reason for this though, venus surface is a very unpleasant place. the temperatures get hot enough to melt rock into lava, the pressure is so high its like being on the bottom of the ocean. would crush any lander we could make. the soviets sent probes there but they would only last seconds on the surface before they were destroyed. just long enough to take pic related. maybe we could build something stronger today but it would probably be very heavy and that's not a great thing for space travel.

also it rains acid

so flying around in the clouds, where the atmosphere is much less dense is the best we can do right meow

Alright. What propels asteroids?
I never thought about what started things moving like a comet that shows up, haley's maybe, every so many years. It's already in motion that it's very easy to take that for granted. I came up with an idea of an asteroid being weaponized in a way and containing stuff that just floats around until it comes into contact with something. I didn't even come up with an idea of what could artificially move it. Now I'm starting to question why some of them even move at all in the first place when there is an entire region of them that don't.

>>33941251
ppl think the suit looks like buzz lightyear sir

hmm I got an idea......

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>>33941290

Now, now, Timmy, I know you're upset that the other boys won't talk to you because of your crippling autism, and the smell....; but that's no reason to take out your rage on random internet strangers.

Now, I think you owe some anon an apology.

>>33934873
>witch is just a giant chunk of tungsten/ really strong metal travelling very fast through the atmosphere and destroying the target like an asteroid. no war head or nuclear explosion

Doesn't work that way. To put something into orbit we need to expend energy. You don't magically get more energy by dropping something, you just get a return on what you spent lifting it up. Might as well put tungsten on an ICBM and lob it across the earth and skip a step, you would get exactly the same underwhelming effect.

>>33941398
everything in space is moving

its because of gravity. the asteroids are "falling" towards the sun.
the sun is "falling" around the center of the galaxy.and galaxys are effected by the pull of other galaxys aswell as moving away from the center of the universe because of the big bang

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>>33941432
its propelled towards earth. so gravity+propulsion can get going pretty fast. and they would be harder to detect because it dosnt need to launched like an icbm. its already sitting in a very high orbit long before the war has even started. also theres rules against nukes. no rules for the mighty hand of zues

>>33934469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vifYelSTlMo

>>33935655
>I figured virgin galactic might of had a better concept putting a ship ontop of an airliner and launching it from that
No. You don't actually get that much benefit from air launch since it neccessarily limits the size of your vehicle. The cost and complexity it add is not worth it over traditional expendable launch vehicles. Look up Orbital ATK's pegasus which is only marginally cheaper than a Falcon 9 but which carries only 3% the wieght to LEO

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>>33939259

Michael Bay was right. According to Affleck, the best oil driller in the world with three decades of experience can be replaced by an astronaut with a few months of training and no experience.

>>33935876
Realistically, we are centuries away from having a viable backup plan if we face an extinction level event on Earth. Our technology is nowhere near mature enough that we can have long term sustainable settlements anywhere else in the solar system.

>>33940735
This. Space blimps are choice

>>33936290
You know NASA uses standard SI units right?

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>>33941484
ya, I get the line of thinking though. planes are reusable so after many launches it would be pretty cheap. but with reusable rockets the idea is probably obsolete

>>33934533

>Minigun

>Fixed

So, they intended this thing to get into dogfights on asteroids?

>>33941476
The atmosphere doesn't work that way. You need shielding to protect upon rentry if you are going to have sensitive engines and stuff. Just deorbiting a large chunk of metal also eats into your propulsion.

It is a waste of energy to put it in orbit. You might as well launch a larger ICBM with a rocket propelled terminal phase onto your target. You still have 30 minute global reach.

Either way, large blocks of metal make underwhelming holes in the ground. It would not be anywhere close to a nuke in terms of destructive effect.

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>>33941536
I think it moves around
steve buschemi got space sickness and started shooting it all over the place

>>33936290
But we use US Customary Units, not Imperial, and NASA is metric now.

>>33941522
There is a reason that the Space Shuttle cost so freaking much and that is low launch rate and intensive maintainence. Realistically, space travel is a limited business. Nobody really does more than one launch per month. Meanwhile, refurbishing your launch vehicles is incredibly time consuming and expensive becuase of the extremely small margin for error.

It make way more sense to just use an expendable launch vehicle instead of going down the rabbit hole of reusability.

>>33941556
why would u need to protect the engines if its gonna crash into the target?
and the penetration is much higher then a nuke. say goodbye norkors hiding in your subway shelters

>>33941374
>but they would only last seconds on the surface before they were destroyed.
>Venera 13
>The lander functioned for 127 minutes (the planned design life was 32 minutes) in an environment with a temperature of 457 °C (855 °F) and a pressure of 89 Earth atmospheres (9.0 MPa). The descent vehicle transmitted data to the satellite, which acted as a data relay as it flew by Venus.

>>33941588
I dunno
spacex seems to be going down the right path with reusability . im sure boeing and Lockheed are playing catch up. I bet within the next 5 years we see a reusable first stage from one of them

>>33941596
>why would u need to protect the engines if its gonna crash into the target?
Do you want your engine to work after rentry? If so it needs to be properly designed to be shielded during rentry or it will be a heap of slag.

>and the penetration is much higher then a nuke. say goodbye norkors hiding in your subway shelters
The amount of targets that need huge penetration are so niche that it is not worth the effort of putting the damn weapons system in orbit! Space is expensive. Orbit is really fucking hard. Just use an expendable ICBM which gives you all the hypothetical capability and skip the putting it in space bit.

>>33941609
k but still. 127 mins dosnt give u a lot of time to collect Venusian dinosaur bones. and that was just a probe, a large pressurized cabin would be harder to keep in tact

>>33941614
Spacex has launched precisely one reuseable component, and only after they took the damn thing completely apart, overhauled it, and reassembled it like new.

At that point, why not build a new rocket? Material cost isn't that high if you have large production runs.

We will see with SpaceX. Maybe it will work, but the last 40 years of reusable space craft concepts haven't been economically worthwhile.

>>33941617
once your through the atmo its just on a ballistic trajectory , so no u don't need them.
the weapons system wouldn't only be one shot. it would have many "rod from gods" launched on one rocket and they would all be available at the push of a button.

>you don't know what your talking about

>>33941641
ya but they have to keep working at it. the future of space travel has to be reusable. you don't throw away your 747 everytime u land

>>33941665
>once your through the atmo its just on a ballistic trajectory , so no u don't need them.
Then why not use an expendable long range missile and skip the orbit part? Putting anything in orbit is obscenely expensive. NASA's STS will lift 105tons to orbits but at a cost of $5000 per kilogram. That is absurdly expensive for the dubious capability you get for dropping a metal rod from orbit.

>the weapons system wouldn't only be one shot. it would have many "rod from gods" launched on one rocket and they would all be available at the push of a button.
There are no heavy lift vehicles which could make this plan affordable. For the amount you spend putting the damn thing in space you could build a large number of disposable long range missiles that give you all the capability of your space borne weapons system.

Furthermore, ASAT's are a thing. What happens if another country shoots down your weapons station? Sattelites have extremely predicatble flight paths and are very energy intensive to move. Earth borne systems can be truck mounted for christ sake.

>>33941683
The reason 747's are reusable is that very high volume of flight offsets the engineering costs of making them reusable. There are hundreds of millions of commercial flights per year.

This doesn't work for space. We have no reason to go to space more than a few times per year. There is no market up there.

>>33941732
Depends on what we do.

There's a lot more rare earth minerals in space, so if companies want to get into commercial space mining to keep Apple shitting out iPhones, there might actually be a compelling economic incentive for a reusable space system to keep shitting out drones into orbit.

>>33941596
Is this generally how people on reddit type? Substituting u for you and not capitalizing? Jesus fuck I'm not used to this shit, it's freaking me out.

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>>33941715
>NASA's STS will lift 105tons to orbits but at a cost of $5000 per kilogram
yes but that's a figure from the 80s, its getting much cheaper

>Earth borne systems can be truck mounted for christ sake.
your not shooting down a satellite with a truck homie

>>33941746
We have no realistic reason to get rare earth metals from space right now. Mining companies are perfectly happy to pass the cost onto the consumer anyways.

This is a very long term problem. There is no market for this in the near term.

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>>33941752
really bro
ur gonna b a grammer nazi

>>33934969
Titan is not a planet though you dumb ass

>>33941632
>127 mins dosnt give u a lot of time to collect Venusian dinosaur bones
yeah problem it eventually heats up and electronic fail at 457 °C
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/vexag/oct2009/presentations/hunterVenusLanderTechnologies.pdf
https://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/early_stage_innovation/niac/2012_phase_I_fellows_landis.html
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-glenn-demonstrates-electronics-for-longer-venus-surface-missions/


But fuck lander make it balloon with controlled buoyancy that can float several meters above surface. At surface level Venus has constant 1 m/s winds such probe can film hundreds maybe thousand miles of Venus surface.

>a large pressurized cabin would be harder to keep in tact
No humans of course.

>>33941768
>yes but that's a figure from the 80s, its getting much cheaper
No it is a figure from the 2010's. Heavy lift, which is what you would need for rods from god, is still absurdly expensive for the capabilities you get.

>your not shooting down a satellite with a truck homie
Reading comprehension. I was talking about a kinetic delivery vehicle similar to an ICBM that mimics the capabilities of rods from god without all the needless expense of putting it in orbit. Even this is a needlessly expensive weapons system since a bunker buster bomb dropped from a jet fulfills all the capability you would ever need.

But since you mention it, sure we could put an ASAT on a truck. SM-3 is only 1.5 tons and 7m long. Hook the launch vehicle up to whatever guidance it needs and you could have a truck mobile ASAT launcher.

>>33941790
No, unfortunately I'm unable to throw illiterates into gas chambers.

>>33934469
lurk more faggot. better yet get the fuck out

>>33941817
technically it is because it has an atmosphere.
but I get what your saying , because its orbiting Saturn right now its a moon.
either way that's where we should be going. its the most likely to have life. (fishes or maybe even dolphin / mermaid levels of intelligence life

>>33941768
Sorry I meant SLS, the AresV replacement after Constellation got cancelled

>>33941834
u get an explosion comparative to a nuclear bomb with no radioactive fall out. seems pretty tits to me

>>33941919
oh I thought u meant the shuttle

but that's what the shuttle was invented for anyway. carry secretive payloads into a polar orbit and then be able to return to the continental united states

>>33941925
No you don't. Pick up a rock. Drop a rock. Hell, even throw it up in the air. You do not magically get an explosion like a hand grenade going off.

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lol at the brits thinking there ever gonna get this massive piece of unaerodynamic garbage with zero lifting properties off the ground let alone reach orbit

>>33941953
ya I think its gonna hit maybe a little harder then a rock anon. why is there giant explosions when asteroids impact?
if that was the case my next door neighbour would be a t-rex right now........

>bro do u even physics

>>33941988
England and the whole esa is a joke

look up the Bristol
they have no idea how any of this works.
I hope England leaves the esa like they did the eu

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>>33942044
forgot the picture

>>33942018
>when asteroids impact
Becuase proper asteriods that can do a large amount of damage are incredibly heavy and going incredibly fast. We can get things cooking along quite fast if we want to, but that requires a ton of energy. Energy requires a large launch vehicle, which is very expensive. Moreover, sitting in LEO is not exactly conducive to maxmizing speed. You could shoot it out past the moon and try to reenter from there, but holy crap that is even more expensive. Then you run into the tyranny of the rocket equation and everything spirals out of control.

Then to get the mass part you need more money. Lifting something so incredibly big is prohibitively expensive at $5000/kg. Do you understand why it is a stupid idea?

>>33941788
>people want phones and shit
>there's billions of dollars worth of demand for rare earth metals used in electronics
>if launch costs get cheaper, it might become cost-effective for Jeff Bezos or Richard Branson or the curryniggers to use commercial launchers to launch asteroid retrieval drones
>if said drones increase the demand, it might become feasible for large multinationals or state owned enterprises to invest in lowering their launch costs with science fiction shit like reusable parts

It might not happen soon, but there's definitely enough cash floating around to make shit happen.

>>33942143
Yes eventually. But it may well be served just as well by cheap disposable launch vehicles. SpaceX's real achievement has been bringing some real competition to the launch market. This alone has driven costs down before a single reusable vehicle ever flew.

>>33941374
Wow that's pretty crazy.
>>33941715
The guy's an idiot. You mine your rods from god out of an asteroid and then you park it in an orbit.

>>33942177
In order to have an informed opinion, I'd have to know what the economics of launch costs actually are.

Like, how much is launch pad, how much is fuel, how much is disposable rocket costs, how much is launch control and other technicians.

This being said, a hydrogen powered SSTO rocketplane based on the SABRE engine is the best idea, for reasons I refuse to explain.

>>33942192
Considering we have never done anything like that before and are not even close to doing so now, that still doesn't make sense. We don't need the capability rods from god provides.

>>33942206
Yeah, it's a hypothetical far-future doomsday weapon that the mooninites will use to overthrow their corporate overlords and establish a true capitalist space frontier trading post.

>>33942201
Depends how deeply down the rabbit hole you want to go. There is a lot we don't know becuase the companies don't make it available. For example, SpaceX is pretty widely believed to be running at a loss with current Falcon 9 launch prices, but the USG is funding them so "lol who cares"

Launch infrastructure depends if you have to start all over again, or piggyback off NASA facilities like SpaceX does. Fuel though, fuel is like the cheapest part.

>SSTO
It's a cool idea, but it is so incredibly hard it won't offer much in the way of usable payload capacity until our engine tech improves dramatically.
>for reasons I refuse to explain
I like you though.

>>33934528
>tfw you upgraded your PC but now moon base alpha won't start
I have made a terrible mistake.

>>33942242
My concept works like this

>make an SR-71 looking fucker out of CFRP and Kevlar because muh ounces
>take off horizontally using LO2 and LH2 rocket
>once the minimum speed is achieved, shut off the LOX and operate the engines as a scramjet
>try and squeeze as much delta V as possible out of the climb up out of the atmosphere
>when the ship leaves the atmosphere, switch from using atmospheric air to oxidize the LH2 to using the onboard LOX
>after the correct orbit has been achieved and the cargo has been removed from the cargo bay and gently pushed out of the way, do a deorbiting burn with LOX and then turn around before you enter the atmosphere, so you don't go into the atmosphere ass end first and die horribly
>use the LH2 to maneuver back onto the runway, which is ideally a salt flat in Nevada or something where there's 50 miles of flat ground to work with

It would be more efficient than a traditional rocket design in that it could use atmospheric air to substitute for some of the oxidizer, and it would be able to launch with less than a 1 TWR because of the lift from the wings.

The only downside I can see is that it would be absurdly hard to actually put this into practice, it would need to be gigantic to have a usable cargo capacity, and the only thing less likely than a company funding the project is a pilot successfully operating it for long enough to pay off the construction costs

>>33942342
Funny thing on nasa forums someone made calculations that with proposed fuel fraction it can go on LEO on the rocket engines alone with no scramjet use like VentureStar...

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>>33941423
i dont owe anyone an appology, i say like it is.

/k/ is for guns
/pol/ is for some bullshit reddit sjw cluster fuck
and jail is for africans Ex: pic

>>33934309
Fuck off nigger

>>33943084
rood

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>>33943084
edgy brah

Who here /pipedreams/

What we need to do is create a miniaturized Project Medusa with the tiny nuclear warheads from the Davy Crockett, and then use it to colonize Pluto

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ion engines
they're not the most powerfull but extremely efficient. so we would still use conventional rocket engines to get into space. but once in the vacuum of space they work pretty good. would still take a while to get humans anywhere with this tech but its still in its infancy. apparently the airforce has been testing them on the x37

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>>33943257
another means of travel might be the solar sail. nasa has been experimenting with them for a little while. same idea as ion engines, not nearly enough power to launch a spacecfraft, but once in orbit it can harness the power of particles coming off the sun to achieve incredible velocity's (although not much in terms of acceleration)

>>33934573
In case you get caught out in a sand storm?

>>33943257
Check out VASIMR.

It's a plasma engine - basically a souped up ion drive - that uses a magnetic nozzle, so shielding isn't a problem and ISP can be varied.

A 12MW solar powered drive could go to Mars in 4 months. 2 months, if you used a 200MW nuclear reactor. It's being tested on the ISS this year.

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>>33943310
that pic is from star wars

this is what nasa has actually been testing. japan has sent one up aswell. there pretty cool, they more reflective the surface the more efficient it is. so to steer the spacecraft they change the reflectiveness on parts of the mirror.
they can even tack towards the sun just like a sail boat

>>33943345
that's so cool

>>33943345
>they can even tack towards the sun just like a sail boat

How?

>>33941510
>>33941581

Notice how they haven't been to the moon since they switched over.

>>33941231
How do you know whats on the lunar surface if you think no one has been there?

>>33943443
they zigzag just like a sail boat does with wind

look up tacking

>>33943686
I know, I love sailing.

But you need a keel (or daggerboard, or leeboard, or anything else that restricts lateral motion) to tack, and you need the resistance from the water for that to work.

How do you do that in three dimensions?

>>33943711
honestly no idea
im just repeating what I heard in the video I watched on youtube

>>33943754
Link pls

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>>33940905
My favourite books of all time!

I couldn't believe how much detail it went into, such as the new constitution for Mars and the falling of the space elevators. The scenes where the dome pops and where the dome becomes over oxygenated deliberately still stick in my mind.

>>33935121
>hey jew producer howya want your rover
rool of cool my shit up

>hey nasa howya want your rover
well since it's a pressure vessel...
>shut up damn, we'll go with the airstream look

>>33943794
don't have it

it was a few days ago


but just search solar sail on youtube and google and im sure u can learn more about it


sorry

>>33940753
SKY CRIME

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Suit testing.

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Worst job on the ship.

>>33934469
It's cool that you think you can speak your mind, but fuck you newfag.

>>33943444
Yeah it definitely has nothing to do with budget cuts.

>>33944358
oh my god could you imagine the Sky Pirates of Venus

>>33944727
>>33941853
>>33941480
>>33941311
mmmmmmmmm
so many more (You)s

>>33940716

>>33935065
>X to the Z
>ice tea

To answer your question, it's because they were having stability issues with putting it on the front of a smaller rocket (Atlas II), so their solution was to put it inside a fairing on top of a bigger rocket (Atlas V).

And if you think that arrangement's YoDawg, You should hear the original intent...
>Carry it to orbit inside the Space Shuttle's payload bay

>>33934528
CCCCCCCCCHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUU KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>33936226
>Because I spit hot fire

Fuck off back to plebbit, troll.

My advice in this thread: report and hide

>>33934426
V shaped hull is for probably for clearance. Especially if the wheels are articulated.

Any rover will be enclosed because suits are shit, travel time, redundancy, work area and crew sanity.

Rest is spot on though.

>>33934999
The fuck does Matt Damon have to do with anything? The Martian movie rover had flaws, but made way more sense than this monstrosity.

>>33935225
Technically? Yes

>>33935425
Just an updated pumpkin suit. They're pretty cool and its definitely an improvement on ACES, but people/news organizations have been raving like its the new EVA suit. Probably don't know the difference.

>>33935502
No but it keeps getting delayed. Last I heard it wasn't going to reach TRL7 until 2020. It was originally meant to do it in 2014.

>>33935834
More ACES equivalents. But those are mock ups from a promo photo-shoot, not even necessarily what the end result will look like.

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>>33941231
>>33936335
>>33936263
Fuckwits.

Fucking conspiracy theory makes no sense.
>Russia didn't call their bluff
>Retro reflectors they put on the moon
>Surveyor didn't sink
>YOU CAN SEE THE FUCKING LANDING SITE WITH TELESCOPES.

Fucking retarded.

>>33944418
Is this from a movie?

>>33934528
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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>>33934309
yes goy, fantasize about space vehicles don't arm yourself with real weapons for the coming race war

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this is the current milestone - reusable rockets (already reached)

>>33946656
>>/idiot/

>>33941641
You have no idea what you're talking about

Precision parts manufacturing is expensive af. There are WAY more man hours in manufacturing a new rocket than in refurbishment. Material cost is also significant for rocketry.

For the past 40 years reusable space craft haven't been POSSIBLE short of catching them with helicopters, which is as dangerous and inconsistent as it sounds. And there has never been real incentive to develop them, because of retarded Cost Plus policies.

>>33941752
No he's just a moron. Look at the rest of his posts.

>>33942192
How do you get it there anon? You still need to give it a lot of energy. Might be feasible in 30 years if asteroid mining becomes a thing and all the infrastructure is in place and paid off but its a shit idea now. You sure as hell wouldn't fund the development and production of asteroid capture just for a weapons system.

>>33942242
>loss with current Falcon 9 launch prices, but the USG is funding them so "lol who cares"

No, the US contracts with them for the ISS. If this is making them money, that is a profit because they are receiving it for a service provided.

The other funding provided by the government is for the CCD program. Funded R&D to provide access to a human capable craft to the US, and that would not subsidize the rest of their operations. Meanwhile they've actually been demonstrating technologies as specified.

>>33946829
Yes. As a far future doomsday weapon, rods from god are great. You use them to overthrow your corporate overlords from your mining stations and secure independence for the spacenoids.

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>>33934685
>>33934675
>>33934668
>>33934653
KIROV REPORTING

>>33944418
>Captain! We are on the collision course!
>Pilot, get us outta here immediately!
>but Pepe is still out, doing the maintenance
>Immediately!
>aye aye cap'n
>R

>>33946355
possible its Sunshine - 2007 but donno ages i saw that movie. but i think i am mixing it up with a different scene with a heat shield