Are the super expensive guns worth their money? I'm talking

Nope. There you got the answer you wanted, now please feel free to kill yourself.

>>33924466
then why are they priced the way they are?

>>33924452
You're paying for the craftsmanship and time it takes to fit/engrave those guns. You have to look at it like this, you're a patron of their particular form of artwork and you're commissioning a work from them. You pay to keep the art form goimg. Otherwise there would be zero reason for a man to devote his life to mastering hand engraving, stock fitting, shotgun silver soldering etc etc. When you buy one there is group of men that spend hundreds of combined hours making a beautiful thing for you.

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=qUXoNUzAyvk

>>33924452
>$80,000

fuck, I'm just trying to decide if a Mateba is worth $4k

>>33924532
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good

>>33924532

Only nigger tier nouveau riche faggots actually shoot H&H or other investment tier guns. They're as much a sporting shotgun as a Bugatti veyron is a daily driver

>>33924532
Collector's items. They're expensive because they're rare or special.
Status symbols. It's expensive, and someone needs to show off that they can buy expensive things.
Money laundering. Same as with expensive-ass artwork. Buy expensive shit with dirty money, then sell it later, and the money's cleaner.

>>33924575
found the poorfag. a huge percentage of african safari kills come from the 375hh

>>33924555
I guess I'm not really getting 'it' - I can go get an AR engraved, and the AR-15 has had thousands of hours of thought and research and craftsmanship put into it, but it would still only be a couple hundred dollars - is it something super special about British guns specifically?

>>33924575
H&H will make you a double rifle with little to no engraving on it and that can get the price down. Fans of H&H rifles often use them hunting dangerous game in Africa and buy a engraved fancy one and then one to use. Why? Because it's cool to hunt with a double rifle made by the same company that made rifles for African safari in the 1800's and having a hand fitted double rifle is the only way to ensure it will not crack apart when using big bore hot ammo that is common for safari. A non hand fitted double rifle will eventually crack it's stock.

Same with hand fitted s/s or o/u shotguns. Hand fitting will make them last hundreds of thousands of rounds not tens of thousands.

>>33924610
Watch the video. I feel you're being a bit obtuse.

>>33924652
And maybe it cracks it's stock on your first shot and knocks you silly or injures you with a lion or buffalo charging you. Then you're life is in the hands of your guide. Better hope he stops it.

>>33924452
Why are they using a python carcass as any audio cable?

>>33924610
No AR is handmade though.

Youre paying for the craftsmanship, the prestige, and basically the name. If i was stupid rich id get one because i appreciate the skill and labour put into it.


>>33924686
Whats your point here? Youd be fucked with any rifle in that position

>>33924610
>I can go get an AR engraved, and the AR-15 has had thousands of hours of thought and research and craftsmanship put into it, but it would still only be a couple hundred dollars
My fucking ass you could.

>>33924452
i know a rich fag that owns some pretty nice investment style guns. nfa shit; thompson and m16; uncommon or rare production shit; colt python and tiger stripe deagle; and some collector's pieces; had a colt navy from civil war era and other shit like that. he had a beretta over-under that felt god tier when i held it in my hands. it definitely was on par with olympic skeet shooter quality and had some defining wordworking etched into it. dude said it was worth well over $30k and he only shot it when him and his rich fag friends get together once a year to shoot trap. i've handled over-unders before but this one was remarkable. that's the closest thing i've ever come into contact with that you're talking about. would i say that shotgun is worth the price of a sedan? yes, most definitely.

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>>33924452
>Is one H&H rifle or shotgun going to outshoot 160 ARs?

Are you really comparing an over under shotgun to a fucking semi automatic rifle?

>>33924708
My point is you pay for a hand fitted stock so it doesn't crack apart. A mass produced one or machine made one won't mate to the receiver as tightly and the micro gaps slam together when firing or force other portions of the stock to bear the load causing stress on the stock, small fissures and eventual failure.

I'm not trying to be rude but you're making claims and arguments on a subject you have no grasp of and aren't even able to process and understand the simple info you're being given.

Just don't worry or think anymore about fine hand crafted firearms for dangerous game hunting. Treat it like theoretical physics or what goes on at the International Space Station. Awknowledge it exists but it's something you'll never understand or be a part of.

>>33924555
>https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=qUXoNUzAyvk

Your link is full of faggotry, faggot.

Also, you don't deserve trips, faggot.

>>33924601

I accidentally a word. Regularly shoot. Once a year, once every five years is not the same as shooting trap every weekend and you know it

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>>33924840
Thank you for the tasty helping of salt to sprinkle on my trips. Truly enjoyable :)

Its kind of like how people and fudds will spend 3k+ on a custom 1911 when an 1k Gold Cup will shoot just as well.

>>33924810
>It's a human beings can do things better than machines episode

The basic is strong with this bitch.

>>33924532
no one buys a Gucci $80K gun to take out on the range, they hang them on their wall or they rust out in a safe, having only been fired 5 times in their life

>>33924935
They can when a machine to do a better job would cost so much to produce that it isn't worth making. Spend millions making a machine and troubleshooting it until it performs correctly or use a fine file and soot. Not to mention you'd have to have a human periodically take a sample and perform QC testing on a stock/receiver.

The best way to skin a cat isn't always with the Cat Skinner 9000 Deluxe.

But then again if you're incapable of realizing that and so ignorant of machining processes it's futile to point out to you. Bitch :)

>This thread was born of salt and smug and to salt and smug shall it remain

That being said I own 3 rifles worth about $15k-$20k apiece and all they do is sit in the safe and occasionally get shown off at the range. 99.99% of the time I'm using a rifle or handgun that cost about $1k or less

>>33924555
i enjoyed the video. didn't realize just how much work really does go into those things.

>>33924810
>Top friggin kek, the post

>>33925103
Yeah man. I'm not able to be in the market for one but next time you hear someone mock the guys paying the bill on those weapons ask yourself : Do I want that craftsmanship and art form to keep existing? If you do then be thankful there are rich bastards willing to keep those guys employed. They could blow their cash on sports cars, casino gambling, and recreational drugs after all. Happy some buy fancy rifles and shotguns.

>>33924652
>muh wood cracks

Well there's a pretty obvious solution.

Also, multiple layers of laminated wood like AK furniture.

>>33924601
And a huge percentage of them are exactly the type of person he described

>>33925157
Why stop there? Why not just use high density polymer with an aluminum bed?

The answer is obvious. Look for it behind you and slightly over the height of your head.

>>33924452

>80k for a H&H
That must be their poorfag shotgun.

>>33925256
that some kind of crack about having a gun rack in my back glass?

>>33924601
>mfw when .375 H&H isnt an uncommon round.
>there are quite a few rifles chambered in .375 that are not overly expensive
>confusing the caliber with the company
found the newfag

>>33925387
You win. You made me grin with that one.

>>33925387
There's dense, there's stupid, then there's you anon.

>>33925017
When you can make a cut to within 0.001 of a mm let me know, that's the day that i'll buy a hand made firearm because "precision"

>>33925567
aren't certain types of swords ground down to a single-molecule edge by hand?

>>33925672
I know nothing about sword making, but I can tell you that precision isnt the reason for something to be hand crafted.

A joke I heard at a gun range once:
What can a $10,000 dollar shotgun do that a $200 shotgun can't do?

Be worth $10,000.
Most of it's investment. People do it with high-end AR's and 1911's too.

>>33925567
>>33925784
Maybe with a natural material like wood, especially the highest quality that will have a very complex grain, using hands to fit the stock is the best way to achieve the highest quality outcome. Your autism is preventing you from getting past your preconceptions. Also enjoy having the cnc machine blow a chip out of the most expensive grade of hand selected walnut when it's high speed bit makes a pass and hits a knot. Or the bit decides to fail and ruins a $$$ piece of wood. A seasoned craftsman isn't going to have that happen with an extremely sharp slow moving wood chisel. You'll live if you realize you're wrong from time to time and not an expert on everything, I promise.

And for their most precise and well made shotguns Beretta uses cnc for the metal and hands for the wood. They are the largest manufacturer of fine steel/wood shotguns on the planet so if you won't take my word for it take theirs. Unless you're going to argue that you know better than the engineers at Beretta.

>>33924567
Collector shit.
A mateba is worth 4k if you just need you a mateba. A H&H is worth tens of thousands if you love the artistry. It's all about what it's worth to have in your hands and enjoy as part of your collection.

>>33924452
At the point where you can actually afford something like a H&H you have transcended all concerns about bang for the buck, you are buying the best rifle/shotgun possible confident in the knowledge that regardless of how much you use it, so long as its looked after and kept somewhere clean than it will be worth significantly more than you paid for it in 30 years time

Its not like audiophiles spending all that money on cabling, because there are real tangible benefits to extremely high end firearms, something that is custom made for the customer to their exact specifications by master gunsmiths is going to feel exactly how the want it to, and once they've had their fun with it they can sell it at profit, whereas with audiophile shit they're getting nothing, and the stuff instantly becomes devalued the moment its taken out of the packaging

>>33924810
You know im a different guy and am saying these rifles are cool right?
The dude you replied to was saying hand fitting is a good thing and will help it not crack. You said
>>33924686
I read that negatively as meaning your fancy 80k gun could snap in one shot, so yous be fucked and the guide saves you.

Clearly one of us misread the post chain there

>>33926045
My point is that this kind of work can be done by machine with an operator. You inspect the work prior to setting it. With proper tooling and load calculation tools dont randomly fail. what are feeds and speeds for 600 alex

>>33926045
There is no preconception about what machines can and cant do, i'm a machinist by trade. It's an education in what machines can and cant do.

>>33926174
Yet Beretta uses hand fitting for the stocks of their most uncomprosmising and finely built shotguns. They've decided that hand fitting gets a better result when it comes to wood stocks. Maybe you should call them up and offer them your ideas on how their doing it wrong and you have a way to do it better. Update us when you do and let us know what they said.

Looking forward to it!