So the Marines want to replace both the SAW and M4 with the

>>33905046
Replacing a belt fed SAW with a magazine fed rifle is an idiotic idea. This isn't 1940. Automatic riflemen are a defunct concept. You cannot get the sustained supressive fire you need from a box mag, and drums are unreliable at best. This is a terrible idea.

>>33905092
The SAW has already been replaced in the marines.

I can see the advantage. I mean the Russians use the RPK.

The SAW is just heavy and impractical.

>>33905113
>already been replaced
>they now have more M249's than they did prior to the "replacement" and field them in more numbers per platoon than previously, the M27 has ONLY ever been used as an M16 replacement--they haven't taken a SINGLE M249 out of inventory and have bought thousands more and expanded their role
Yeah no.

>>33905092
>M16A2
>walking tripod-mounted HMG's in a gun line through an urban environment
>returning to the use of the 1911
In case you haven't noticed, the Marines come up with NOTHING BUT dumb ideas.

>>33905092
>What is an automatic rifle
Good idea but regardless, the M27 is not a good automatic rifle.

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>The marines are a bunch of fags who need their own snowflake equipment in order to justify their meaningless existence as a branch of the military

In other news, the sky was blue today.

>>33905046
The M27 is just the Marine Corps back dooring themselves into FA M4 lowers after the Navy didn't let them replace all their M4s with M4A1s.

Soon as they have enough lowers for their purposes they'll "discover" some kind of issue with the M27, and reconstruct them with COTS medium profile hammer forged 14.5 middies wearing MLOCK rails and enhanced BCGs

>>33905224
>Marines
>putting a reasonable barrel and handguard on it
Nah, they're likely to insist on swapping out to a 20" SOCOM profile barrel with a 4lb quad rail if they change it at all.

>>33905046
no they should replace them with the ak

>>33905224
Nah they were happy to keep using full length M16s even when sometimes tasked to clear buildings years back, I think they'll manage with a 16 incher. Isn't 16.5 a nice happy medium for 5.56 anyway?

>>33905239
This, sadly, isn't too far out of the realm of possibility.

>>33905113
The Russians frequently use the PKP in place of the RPK in the SAW role because, and I must emphasize this, automatic rifles cannot replace the sustained suppresive firepower of a belt fed, only supplement it. They are constantly attempting to find something belt fed in an intermediate cartridge to replace the RPK with.

>>33905196
faggot

>>33905269
why dont they just make a belt fed ak

>>33905239
Nah, it'll be keymod and HBAR, but it'll be some kind of non-freefloat drop-in handguard.

>>33905273
Don't you have an Osprey to die in?

>>33905286
Ooh, right. Forgot that the rest of the military demonstrably proved the supremacy of Mlok, so naturally the Marines would want keymod instead of the outdated-but-universally-agreed-on quad rail.

Although they'll probably strap a bunch of lead weights in it just to increase the weight for "long range precision" or some shit a la Geissele National Match handguards.

also
>SOCOM profile
>not HBAR already

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>>33905046
>Want to implement automatic rifle concept
>Pick an okay candidate
>Completely cucc it with 30 round mags
step it up sempai, this is what a real automatic rifle looks like
>>33905269
Russians still use RPKs and the PK MGs are more common because the RPK-74s are still limited to 45rd mags.

>>33905278
They've made plenty of prototypes in 7.62 and 5.45. Various bureaucracies, beliefs the costs making the change, beliefs it's not necessary, Russian military budget cuts, the fall of the Soviet Union... there's a lot of reasons they haven't done it.

>>33905113
> I mean the Russians use the RPK.
They've long since shown they vastly prefer to use the PKM/PKP whenever possible in that role. And when they do use the RPK, they will at the very LEAST have 40 or 45 rounds mags. If it's a straight up RPK they're more than likely to have a 75 rounds drum. Meanwhile the M27 gets nothing but standard 30 rounders. It's retarded no matter how you slice it.

>>33905278
They did.
>RPD
It sucked bad enough they stopped using it in the 60's.

>>33905269
No one said that the M27 was replacing the 240b.

I think that the they marines might be on to something. I mean they only have been testing the thing since 2000 then adopted 10 years later.

They must have realized some new reality of warfare, kinda like how we figured out that full size rifle cartridges were not practical for most engagements.

>>33905302
EY YO
*pulls up sagging pants*
HOL UP
*drinks from 40*
YOU SAYING
*steals*
YON FINNA PUT
*smokes blunt*
T-NUTZ N SHELVING N SHIT
*is unemployed*
ON UR GAT F4M?

>>33905335
Or maybe they're just retarded?

>>33905327
Why not an ares.style belt fed ar upper? Would simplify logistics (along with common cartridge of course)

>>33905356
Because that would require the Russians to adopt the AR as a standard service rifle?

...did you not realize you were replying to a quote chain talking about the RPK and the Russian military?

>>33905356
Why in God's cock would the Russians EVER adopt an AR-pattern rifle? The AK is a symbol of national pride.

>>33905046

In all honesty replacing a shitty weapon with another shitty weapon isn't going to solve anything

They just need a better caliber than a 556. IT's GARBAGE

IT's WEAK

and too weak for the battlefield.

They need make a larger caliber that can punch through walls at 400 yards.

>>33905349
Oooh.

Don't forget the barrel-clamp steel bipod (mandatory T&E, must have it with you or on the rifle at all times).

Just because everyone hates Marines, including other Marines, and nothing says "fuck you" quite like making them use something that makes the rifle LESS accurate while also weighing several pounds.

>>33905046

Waste of money, they should wait for the LSAT and just buy those.

>>33905356
ars are trash, no country is going to use it that doesnt have it forced upon them by nato and the like

>>33905046

I don't really think it's a wise decision, unless it's issued with a reliable magazine that holds at least 75 rounds it's not something I can get behind.

If the Marines want to pigeonhole themselves into CQB and mechanized roles, then the M27 isn't a bad option. But it's entirely surpassed as a gunnery tool by the M249. When you're doing gunnery work, being able to keep the fire up for long periods without pause is vital. If the enemy feels like they can get a break to return fire or maneuver, you've screwed up.

Adopting the 5.56 cartridge was a mistake.

>>33905046
>replace SAW
>REPLACE
you stupid ass niggers they didn't get rid of the M249, they just have the option to use either depending on mission requirements.

>>33905113
RPK has been largely phased out, and this decline in use and replacement by PKM/PKP has been going on for over ten years.

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>>33905491
See
>>33905314

>>33905513
Of course the RPK is still in use. I didn't say all RPKs in the conscript second world post-Soviet army have magically disappeared or been deemed superfluous and were instantly thrown out and replaced by newer better equipment.

I said the were *largely phased out*. Many are still in circulation and will be for a long time. The Russian military, has, however, deemed the RPK to be a failed or at the very least obsolete concept, and have been moving to replace it for some time.

That is the point of the post.

>>33905046
>replace both the SAW and M4 with the M27.
Isn't this exactly what the Stoner 63 design did?

>>33905552

Basically, yeah.

>>33905442
Marines prefer hard hitting 240s over 249s, not to mention the growing pain of maintaining the 249 inventory.

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>>33905046

>fire it on full retard like a LMG
>barrel overheats
>run out of ammo because kek 30 round magazines
>gun gets dirty
>have to adjust gas block somehow without burning the fuck out of your hand after sustained fire

the solution to carry a belt fed upper with a heavy barrel and a piston system that you can pop on an M16/M4 lower if you need another machine gun

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>>33905537
>>33905537
>The Russian military, has, however, deemed the RPK to be a failed or at the very least obsolete concept, and have been moving to replace it for some time.
But they haven't, the 74 wasn't very popular due to its capacity limit from the lack of a reliable drum/quad magazines and they've recently come out with a new RPK based on the current AK-12/15 as well as more reliable quad stack and drum 5.45 magazines.

>>33905384

>he doesnt know that the army switched to 5.56 because .308 and .30 caliber in general was deemed unnecessary for the average infantryman

>Marines use loophole to BTFO M4.
>M249's not being replaced.
>/k/ OMG Mureens are stupid!
Why is 90% of /k/ braindead?

>>33905046
Still won't make their crayon MRE's taste any better. So what's the benefit?

Might as well spend the same cash on putting protein bars back into their diets. Marines pride themselves on using antiques in war.

>>33905046
Marines get secondhand shit due to their budget being spent on planes
This is their use case to get shiny new rifles, and due to whatever reason they come up with they will need new parts to start decommissioning the saws

>>33905640

They could develop a cartridge thats inbetween a 5.56 and a .308.

>>33906008
Can't get anyone else to change over to 6.8 or 6.5

>>33906008
They've tried, Jack of all trades and shit.

>>33906190
Both 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel are better than 5.56 in pretty much every way. The problem is the cost of converting.

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>the year is 2024
>War in Syria rages as President Marco Rubio takes office
>Marines fighting house to house in the ruins of Aleppo against Russian trained Syrian troops led and armed by North Korean advisors
>President Rubio receives a message on his desk
>The Marines are requesting funding to replace all small arms with the BAR

>>33905384
It's not weak. During the Vietnam war it was called an inhumane round because of the massive trauma and cavities caused by 556 bullets tumbling and yawing (or whatever the fuck it's called). Many problems coming from the 5.56 nowadays is because

>people can't shoot and don't know where to hit to take out a threat
>the military's change from 20in barrel in an m16 to 14.5in barrel in the m4. The 5.56 was designed to be fired from a 20in barrel for best effect on target

>>33906351
The problem isn't the effect on target, the problem is American soldiers with fancy M4s, thousand dollar optics and quality ammunition being out-ranged and out-shot by Khybar Pass Lee-Metford clones firing WW1 surplus ammo

>>33906314
>What is weight, armor penetration, recoil control.
You know when people that are in charge of shit don't agree with you? Yeah, because your idea sucks.

>>33906365
>hurr durr: the post
If you don't think the main factors keeping 5.56mm in service are NATO standardization and cost of conversion outweighing the benefits of other available ammo types you're a delusional fanboy.

>>33906407
>butthurt the post.
Get some ice and Preparation H, you'll be OK.

>>33906446
>Call out bullshit as bullshit
>xD boothoot LMAO EPIC WIN
This is (You)

>>33905278
>Tfw you realize pkm is an open bolt upside-down ak

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>>33905186

I don't care about what the M27 is defined to be. It already says that it could be a DMR, Squad Automatic Weapon, and Assault. In that way you already have three weapons in one just to reduce the cost of logistical redundancy. Also the thing is a 16 inch AR is what most "enthusiasts" believe is the most ideal barrel length for any combat application. Even during Rome a Spatha was a Cavalry sword but originally a germanic foot soldier longsword better than a Gladius, much like how the M27 SAW is better than the M4 as a combat rifle. We are pretty much reaching back to Browning Automatic levels of what an Automatic Rifle is to an army, with the idea of 1918 that everyone should have had M1918 BARs as the primary rifle in the first place.

The kicker is the M27 is already a modified HK416.

ITT: HK sowing chaos and having a coke.

>>33906357
>I have no fucking clue what a DMR is for
This meme sure is a spicy one, but it's old hat

ITT neckbeards whose sole experience with guns and the politics of the military is the in game chat of cs go argue with each other over who is more enlightened and qualified to say they know better than the military

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>>33905113
>SAW is heavy

it's too heavy

>Marines being retarded.

NEWS AT 11.

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>>33905046
>not replacing all of them with 6.5mm MX platform
>MX SW 100 rounds mag-fed
>just werks

>>33905046
It's fucking stupid idea. All flaws of AR still remain in place. Weak bolt and buffer hidden in a stock.
France got meme'd into 416s and 2 months later HK shows 433.

>>33905639
And will never see mass use, just like the AK-12 or any of those other new Russian military rifles because their armed forces are too busy selling gear for drugs and raping each other to get enough money together for literally anything new or useful

>>33905333
RPD is flapper-locked like DP

can someone tell me how the ak 12 and ak103 is different to the ak 74 and why cant i find any online or on gunbroker

>>33908391
433 is more of a budget model of 416 so German military can buy them without feeling guilty about sechs millione.

They'll still pay as much as if these were 416 obviously.

The actual alternatives to AR15 are kinda non-existent though. You basically have one huge mechanical alternative - short stroke AR18 like rifle. Think SCAR or 416 or XM8 or like 1000 other rifles. All of which were tested and deemed insufficient for replacement.

Other than that what do you have? Long-stroke piston isn't really that great, well for squad automatic it may be, but it's going to replace M4 rather than M249 so well, yeah no.

Going back to ideas like roller-delayed blowback? What for?

Seriously I have no idea about how to replace AR.
>>33908627
Different accommodations for rails and probably some manufacturing/ergonomic changes.

>>33908656
>433 is more of a budget model of 416
You're full of shit. 433 is less plastic and improved version of G36. It has more similarities with AR-18 than 15.

433 is the answer.

>>33908721
>Muh folding stock.

They just need to put a flouting mlock rail on our current M4s and stop issuing 14in barrels.

There, I fixed the AR. Not that it needs it

I would actually be ok with this if they replace that godawful heavy quad rail with something lighter.

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>>33909003
But still, placing buffer spring in a stock is outdated.
Not to mention shape of bolt which is considered real wear part in AR-15 design.

>>33909132
Um.... There is a huge advantage in having a buffer tube. Better recoil and smoother action.

A simpler mechism. Also AR's are much lighter and handle much better.

Point us. Replacing the M16 and M4s is a big fucking waste of money. They are great rifles and are very reliable.
Most people who want it replaced never carried one in a combat zone.

Just get rid of quad rails and go mlock floating tube, stop issuing 14in barrels and wham. The perfect Rifle.

Practical, Reliable, accurate and cheap.

>>33909132
AR18 is cheap fucking garbage. That shit is not a practical weapon for any military.

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>>33909263
I'm not saying it's perfect design.
It served as a progenitor for other designs like g36, scar, polish msbs, hk433 and list goes on.

France got meme'd into 416s with all its flaws and price, while Germany considered 416s too expensive and did not say a word about upcoming 433.

>>33909253
I've never said it has to be replaced, I'm not even american.
I'd be careful with ascertainment of simpler mechanism.
Buffer tube isn't something desired in mass produced, low cost, jack of all trades.

acr bolt with recoil mechanism.

>>33905046
looks to me the ones who tried it love it.

>>33909519
>Germany considered 416s too expensive
I've read this numerous times here on /k/ and elsewhere but is there any credible source for this claim or has it just been pulled out of someone's ass and perpetuated ever since, like so many bs myths?
Can you show any official statement of German government officials regarding the HK416 and its price?

>>33909681
What is HK433.

>>33909722
What is reading comprehension?

>>33909681
This isn't rocket science. Once Rheinmetall came up with RS556, H&K had to hurry up with 433, since they knew they're in bad spot with 416.
Now 433 allows:
>modularity with 5 or 6 barrel dimensions
>folding stock
>3 kg a unit

while RS556:
>easy interchangeable barrels
>buffer tube
>similar weight to 416

>>33909253
Where the actual recoil spring is situated, in the stock or in the receiver does not affect recoil in any way.

>>33909722
it's pure sex

>>33909936
I've been thinking about it too, but doesn't buffer weight has to do something with it?

>>33909907
>easy interchangeable barrels
this meme tho... the entire fucking gun is the barrel.

marines are fucking idiots.

they want to compensate for the lack of a proper machinegun, by having the riflement take turns firing on full auto while the others shoot semi.

>>33909956
A semi auto bolt carrier has to weigh a certain amount to avoid carrier bounce, that weight does not have to be situated in the stock.

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>>33909971
I don't argue with that.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/04/21/breaking-bundeswehr-launches-new-program-rifle-tender-replace-hk-g36/

BW would have to be fucking dumb to pick RS556 over HK433. 416 wasn't even proposed, because it relies on outdated solutions. i.e. weak bolt, dumb shape of carrier and buffer tube.
USMC is just bunch of snowflakes, only reason they're picking M27 is because it's fucking similar to known to them AR design.

>>33910028
the buffer makes for a cheap part that delays the inertia somewhat, its not a massive weight.

I guess you could implement the moving weights inside the carrier.
the swedes put tungsten granules inisde their g3 carriers

>>33910112
Yeah well you could put those little sliding weights literally anywhere, inside a hollow gas piston for example.

>>33909907
What was so difficult to understand in the original post that you choose to completely ignore the question? Why did the terms "official statement" and "credible source" escape you completely?

>>33910055
>weak bolt
doesnt the 433 use the same bolt design as the g36 and 416? why is that design dumb?

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>>33910156

My guess is that the 433 came to, because of the 416 not complying properly with bundeswehrs specifications.

They will favour something that operates similarily as the g36, which means folding stocks, not ar charging handle and paddlerelease, also the shitty hk selector.

the 433 having what looks like an extruded upper, means that it can cut costs quite a bit in mass production.

>>33910232
Honestly i'm having a hard time understanding why the didn't machine camming surfaces on both sides of the bolt in the bolt carrier and have the cam pin engage on both sides of the bolt so there wouldn't be a twisting motion or whatever there that leads to a cracked bolt.

>>33905394
/thread

If they want to kill black dots on the range at 1200m, 6.5mm CTSAS is the superior choice.

If they want a weapon that is optimized for modern infantry combat, they need to push the Army for a PDW CT round and use guided HE with airburst-capable fuses at longer ranges, while keeping the 6.5 for the SAW/DMR.

>>33910232
pic related is a 416 bolt.
and no, it does not crack in half.
the lugs will start developing cracks and shear off in about 10k rounds.
Cant remember excactly, but the maintenance check says its fine untill it loses 3 lugs or something

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>>33910282

>>33910266
They probably had their reasoning behind it, but i believe it's fatigue of the material, microcracks etc and the fact that bolt is reall thin in that place.

>>33910266
>>33910321
shits machined like that because a hole is dirt cheap to machine. the bolt is also a wear part, that should be changed long before the cam pin hole will develop cracks.

the only reason to failures near the cam pin hole, are using the wrong buffers, or overgassing, basically introducing to much stress on the bolt.
or a flawed part.

>>33905046
Excuse my ignorance what the fuck is the difference between this and an m16?

>>33910155
You're fucking idiot.

There's not officials statements in that kind of matters. Only gossips from people who were discussing with representatives of HK at shot show and shit.

France paid roughly 1100 euro for single 416, while Germany is looking to spend 600 top.

So there's that, go fuck yourself and your "official statements". Moron.

>>33910389
>>33910321
Couldn't they just drill a bit deeper or whatever so the cam track appears on the other side as well? Not really any more complicated to machine, and then just a bit longer cam pin.

>>33910415
>gossips
That's what I was suspecting. So pure made up bullshit then.

>while Germany is looking to spend 600 top
Where does this number come from? Out of your ass like the statement that "Germany considered 416s too expensive"?

>fucking idiot
>Moron
You're the one who believes in fairy tales.

>>33910404
It uses a piston because
>muh shits where it eats

Also, it's like two pounds heavier or something.

>>33908326
ARMA sucks

>>33910482
...

That makes it an LMG?

nibba I have a gorillian LMGs by that retarded logic

>>33905046
The marines can't afford HKs

>>33910499
Yeah well, what's the difference between an LMG and a normal rifle? A bit heavier barrel and maybe a bit beefier bolt depending on the rifle, that's more or less it.

>>33910467
it really isnt a problem. it a shitty part or someone built their ar wrong.

a track on the other side would help the bending of the cam pin, but the forces on the bolt would be the same.

>>33905046
Seems kind of retarded to me, but whatever

>>33910526
A fuck ton of ammo and a high ROF

>>33910505
Must explain why they can afford more 416 variants than most European countries.

Why does the us military only ever want to use ugly guns?

>>33905196
Marines are just the idiots too stupid to do anything but be a bullet sponge. They got tricked into thinking they are badass so they will charge enemy machine guns. Brainwashed dummies shouldn't get new equipment.

>>33910538
Nah, ROF of 600 rpm is more or less perfect for ordinary rifles and LMGs alike.

>>33910533
The unequal forces on the cam pin also introduce unequal forces on the bolt, it isn't a problem true, but if the cam pin engaged on both sides the bolt could possibly be made even thinner than before, saving in weight.

>>33910469
Maybe if you didn't spend whole fucking days in your parents' basement You would know couple of things. Real conversations take place in the lobby, not on a stage.

>>33910617
Then, o wise man, let others take part in your wisdom by sharing the sources of your profound knowledge.

>>33910404
Can do both Closed Bolt and Open Bolt operaton
Short-stroke gas piston design (pros & cons)
Improved magazine to chamber feeding
Improved Fire Control Group

>>33910923
Google Remigiusz Wilk and finally shut your god damn mouth.

>>33911009
And how is this going to help me with the questions I asked?
If you think you're right, then why withhold the information?
If you know you're wrong then why not just admit it? Are you afraid you'll lose face on an anonymous board?

>>33910949
I mean sure the magazines are reliable but they're heavy as fuck as well.

>>33905333
You're joking right? The RPD is not an AK, and was the premier 7.62x39 platform, being made before the SKS. For the time, the RPD was a fine squad gun.

>>33908326
>100 round rectangular mag

:thinking:

>>33911083
>>33911083
This is it. This is my source of my profound knowledge. Polish publicist, I follow him on social media and take as a fact what he says. He's one of the most well informed guys in the european market. This guy already forgot more stuff about firearm industry than you will ever know.

>>33911274
>My dad works at Nintendo

>>33905369

Yeah I see it now, it was late and I was drinking. But could you belt feed something ak pattern along the same line of ideas? Common cartridge ~280-300 caliber would give a range of bullet sizes the would work in different applications, and a common intermediate round would do for them all from sbrs up to dmr/lmg.

Is belt feeding ak patterns impossible? How bout g3 patterns?

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>>33911382
>g3 patterns

>>33911382
Flip an AK upside down and feed it a belt and you've got a PKM.

>>33911382
Belt fed G3 has been done already, belt fed AK's have been done as well, i think it just comes down to a belt fed being better when designed from ground up as a belt fed.

>>33906004
>Marines get secondhand shit
That's why almost everything in their inventory currently is a variant or model made specifically for them? MTV, M16A4, ACOGs, MARPAT, Amtracs, etc. The only thing off of the top of my head that would be secondhand that really limits them is the M1A1 Abrams, but that's more the USMC not modernizing their shit than being given secondhand gear.

>>33911402

I admit I already knew about g3 patterns, the hk51 bravo is a bucket list buy or shoot. But the op asked for a best of both worlds that would guess cut down on parts and equipment dissimilarity for an entire squad. Is that just a pipe dream with g3/ak patterns?

>>33910949
>Can do both Closed Bolt and Open Bolt operaton
No it can't.
>Short-stroke gas piston design (pros & cons)
Only makes sense if you use it as an automatic rifle which is a dumb and obsolete concept.
>Improved magazine to chamber feeding
How? It's the same feed ramp as an M4, the uppers even work on M4 lowers.
>Improved Fire Control Group
Literally the only good thing about this fucking gun.

Marine squads are larger and have 7.62 MGs in all squads iirc. They're using that new name to basically circumvent the regular process of acquisition that getting a new rifle would entail.

>>33911587
>Only makes sense if you use it as an automatic rifle which is a dumb and obsolete concept.
Not really, you can actually adjust the gas system for suppressors and not run the gun totally overgassed.

>>33911735
Except it's not an adjustable gas block...

>>33910556

t. angry cav scout

I love the fact that the simple presence of the word marine ignites your assurt.

Meanwhile, you are the fattest branch, having issues with teaching your guys learning basic marksmanship skills, have the highest ratio of GED's out of any branch and the highest amount of shaniquas.

>>33905938
because its an echo chamber consisting of a bunch of cav scouts and guys from the 101st.

>>33905046

The entire Canadian army has heavy barrel automatic rifles but we still use LMGs. I dont see why they would get rid of the SAW.

>>33911805
They didnt, theres half a dozen posts stating this.

Angry soldiers just want to ignore facts just to shit on marines as per usual.

Its up to the commander whether to divvy out the SAW or use the IAR

I bet even after this comment there will be people asking

BUT WHY WOOD DEY GIT RID OF SAW?

I'm no armchair automatic rifleman so I have no idea about the SAW but
>Most weapons experts agree the M27 is a far superior rifle compared to the M4. But at up to $3,000 apiece, it costs a lot more compared to the M4, which typically costs less than $1,000.
I don't get it, can't they literally just get some drop-in piston system? It's not like it's 19-fucking-40 and they're doing experimental bolt-action-to-semi-auto conversions. Super simple stuff. Just put a stick in there.

>>33911897
/k/ is fucking stupid and things MAY means WILL

The USMC is working with colt canada to produce an upper, its called the UIR project or something like that.

>>33910949
>Can do both Closed Bolt and Open Bolt operation

No it can't, stop parroting this

>>33911735
Adjustable gas blocks are only present on hk416a5 variants, which the M27 is not

>>33912364
>hk416a5
all the 416s have adjustable gas blocks.
dunno about the m27 though

>>33912351
It can though.

>>33905938
This. They just want A4-esque rifles and not take the DoD's(?) shit.

>>33912667
Alright, post prof that it can then.

>>33912680
Armorer manuals.

The SAW is a heavy awkward jam-o-matic piece of shit and its high time it was replaced

>>33912688
Are you going to post one? Or talk about your experience with one (lol)? No, because the M27, and every other 416 variant fires from a closed bolt. The only weapon that had the ability to change from closed to open was the FN HAMR, which had a novel, but complex, temperature gauge that could swap operating styles based on chamber temperature.

Basically you're wrong and fucking faggot, go away summer.

>>33912719
*in the IAR trials

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>>33912688
I even looked up an operators manual to keep you btfo

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>>33912688
>>33912745

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>>33912688
>>33912745
>>33912755

>>33905302
>Forgot that the rest of the military demonstrably proved the supremacy of Mlok

Anons will believe this.

>>33912719
You just swap out a couple parts and it's open bolt.

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>>33911229
It's using this design
>6.5 caseless

>>33905453

Nearly 20 hours and no (you) lemme be the first to call you a faggot and a fudd