I've heard my colleagues and even my CO telling me that

Yes because air-denial is integral to their doctrine.

Maybe but we don't really need AA when we have unchallenged air supremacy.

They are know nothings.
>S-XXX > 300 is an unproven system
It's basically our electronics versus theirs. Ours are pretty damn good.

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>>33903081

>chapparal
>hawk
>patriot
>avenger

Literally that's it.

>>33903063
MIM-104 PAC-3 is all we'd ever need as far as air defense. Point being that we have too many fucking F-15 just itching to scramble for air defense, and a handful of f-22 waiting to prove their super cereal superiority.

Not to mention a shit ton of f/a-18E&f with the best trained missile launch pilots in the world, just dieing to show up the AF eagles.

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>>33903119
You're right. The Russians continue to develop AA systems while we concentrate more on superior air power.

Maybe because the bulk of the Russian air to air fighters are obsolete soviet era rustbuckets.

>>33903063
Russia AA are only able to shoot down fat slow unarmed airliners. Whatever the Russians claim, degrade by a factor of 2 to account for bullshit propaganda. Because that's only what ex commies are still good at.

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>>33903166

>Russia deploys S-400 in Tartus
>Still can't detect IAF F-15Es doing bombing runs in Damascus

Really makes you think

When you spend 200+ billion dollars a year on an airforce, you kinda don't need to spend money on ground based air defense

What the US needs is to invest more in actual amphibious capability, imagine if the Chinks blitz Taiwan, the US would NEVER be able to retake it

Also US forces are logistically too heavy, and their troops don't know how to win fights without calling for airstrikes

NATO naval air defense is top, fucking, notch. We don't need air defense for our ground forces since it's a waste of effort.

>>33903163
Russia tried the whole "air superiority" thing during the war in Georgia and they got BTFO'd by Georgian air defence. Expect them to focus more on SEAD in the future

>>33903262
The US will throw Taiwan under the bus in a heartbeat if it means preventing war

>>33903063
Patriot, THAAD, RIM-116, RIM-162 ESSM, SM-2, SM-3, and SM-6 are superior to Russian equivalents.

Where the US lacks compared to the Russians is land based, smaller, less expensive missiles to use against closer ranged targets.

We intend to use airplanes to deny airspace to our enemies, and so our missile systems are overwhelmingly focused on anti-missile missions, not at denying airspace to tactical aircraft.

Of course a Patriot can be used to deny airspace to tactical aircraft, but it's not very cost effective.

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>>33903361
>Trump abandoning Taiwan
Obanigger maybe, but Not Trump. He knows the Eternal Chinks would never do such a thing.

>>33903262
China lacks the ability to project more than a division or two across the Formosa straight.

>>33903262
They don't have enough amphibious capabilities (or any kind of force projection capabilities in the numbers/quality that is needed) to blitz Taiwan tho. Though with the SCS heating up, the US is focusing on littoral zone combat, and that would play well into the defend Asian ally scenario (tfw if things keep going well, Vietnam and US forces will work together to remove China).

>>33903361
I wouldn't be so sure, Japan would most likely push for intervention and would want to aid them(same as Singapore, but they don't have much of a say in the matter). That could be enough to drag the US into defending Taiwan.

>>33903458
>China invades Taiwan
>Japan, Korea, Singapore along with NATO comes in
>Chinese Communist Party annihilated and China becomes a western puppet
I'm ok with this. The PLA is a paper tiger anyway.

>>33903063
In an all out air war, we'd take out AA sites with AGM-88 HARMs and take out Air threats Air to Air with AIM-120s from F-22s that the enemy can barely even see on radar.

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>>33903510
>the enemy can barely even see on radar.

>>33903574
yes because an aircraft that's no longer even used for anything besides target practice is relevant to 5th gen fighters. Have you ever talked to pilots that have flown training sorties against F-22s? They're an extremely capable Air to Air platform.

>>33903490
ROK wouldn't take part, more like Vietnam, India, Phillipines, Australia and Japan+NATO (NATO would mostly be the French, Americans and a few Brits since the rest don't have proper force projection or air lift capabilities) . ROK has the North Koreans to worry about and would either be on heightened alert and preparing for a nork offensive or already dealing with one.

Not even a burger but i'd understand why the Americans can afford to be arrogant about their lax ground-based air denial weaponry. I can't imagine any situation in which yanks are on the defense against anyone, not even China or Russia.

>>33903649
>India
Just to take back Aksai Chin, but not in a large scale in cooperation with western forces
>Vietnam and Philippines
Logistical role. Their military is obsolete and incompetent.

Singapore and Japan, along with Australia/NZ would actively participate though.

>>33903574
>Russia stronk
>Glorious advanced surface to air missile can only be beaten by shifting time on target by 15 minutes or slightly modifying the ingress and egress routes
>As so as stupid burgers don't do this we are unstoppable.

>>33903574
Because a first generation stealth bomber flying a predetermined route being shot down once during it's most vulnerable period by an enemy using modified equipment against doctrine is TOTALLY the same thing as shooting down a maneuvering F-35 that probably has copious support assets.

>>33903510
Friend of mine said the problem with stealth fighters is they run hot as fuck. So radar guided can't see them, but heat seekers can pick them out of a crowd.

>>33903727
Your friend is an idiot.
And so are you for believing him.

>>33903574

>cherry picking an incident that occured because the pilot kept flying the same route, everyday, at the same time.

You're a special kind of retard, and your argument is devaststed. Go sit in a corner and think about why you are wrong, while the patricians discuss tactics.

>>33903717
F-35 is rubbish money milking scheme by jew U.S companiys and could probably be shot down by our Su-27 :DDD

>>33903674
Yeah that's fair, though India vs China would still be important since it'd be a clash of dollar store armies, which still comprises the bulk of the PLA (just one example; PLAAF's main aircraft is still the local built mig 21). Vietnam and the Phillipines would work to secure their borders and divert PLA resources and manpower away from the more advanced and larger armed forces for the most part.

>>33903727
Your friend is definitely an idiot. Also, Radar guided missiles like the AIM-120 have a much longer range than heat seeking missiles. The F-22 can get those off long before an AIM-9 or foreign equivalent could even see the aircraft.

>>33903744
Well thanks for clearing that up random stranger on the internet. I know him and his background so believe him, but calling him an idiot is a real eye opener I'm glad you spoke up.

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>>33903081
>unchallenged

I know that the Iraq wars were laughable but still a bunch of Indochinese conscripts were still able to shoot down B-52's and F4's with S-75's

>>33903798
if "CIA tactics" involve bombing the everloving fuck out out the whole region and blatantly ignoring Russian air "power" then yes.

>>33903798
Russia is backwater shithole and irrelevant. Mentioning them in the same breath as the west makes no sense.

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>>33903110
>Chaparral is literally a AIM-9 ground platform.
>The Stinger as about the same capability but more portable.
>Nobody uses I-Hawks anymore
>Raytheon Patriot system got memed by Lockheed Martin exclusive upgrades.

>>33903785
Right. Of course your friend would know all about classified information like that. Also, my dad works at Boeing and he told me that the USAF is totally working on Veritechs.

PROTIP: if someone says that they know something classified, then they're either A) lying their ass off, B) pulling shit out of their ass, or C) they're telling the truth but are also doing something HIGHLY FUCKING ILLEGAL by telling you.

>compare the S-500 to the Patriot.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

THAT'S WHAT THE THAAD AND SM-2 ARE FOR

>>33903823
t. millenial bernie sanders supporter jumping on the trump train
>>33903829
remember when putin hacked the election? how can some backwater shithole and irrelevance hack a 1st world country? burgers btfo!!!!!

>>33903837
People still use I-HAWKs, just not the USA.

>>33903798
>Russia is crashing it's naval aircraft while the US lets sand niggers do the fighting

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>>33903794
Absolutely, and the USAF developed good sead tech and doctrine as a result of this. Compare the Vietnam war to the first gulf war, an even more advanced and combat hardened military got bombed to kingdom come by the USAF.

>>33903842
Since he worked on them in the air force and now works at lockheed then yeah, he would know shit like that.

And radar absorbing material retains heat like a mother fucker is not classified. Mentioning it is not HIGHLY ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!111

>>33903779
At least this guy has a point about the ranges involved being on a whole different level.

>>33903842
I have no idea of the technical specifications but I CAN tell you that walking behind an F-22 at idle is less hot temperature wise than walking behind an F-15 at idle.
>>33903862
I load bombs for the Air Force you mong, I'm damn proud of my job and pretty damn satisfied with the bombs I loaded that dropped on Iraq/Syria.
I say glass the whole fucking place.

>>33903862
They couldn't, that's the point. Russia is basically argentina tier at this point.

>>33903794
>f-4
>2017

>>33903798
>>burgerclaps
If you would not know it was from a russian, you could guess it by now through that shitty insult. For god sake, i cant think of any other nation that is so obvious butthurt and bad at insults at the same time.

>>33903889
stupid burger. we are doing thousands of strikes against terrorist scum that YOU finance and arm. enjoy your citizens getting beheaded

>>33903911
Japan, Turkey and ROK still has a few of those kicking around in operational status.

>>33903829
This. Why in the name of everything do Russians see themselves as peers of Western Europe and North America? It is delusion or are they just doing everything to avoid admitting the painful reality?

>>33903919
>Implying we're not also doing thousands of strikes against the terrorist scum that the last administration armed

>>33903905
you are the dog of airforce? a welfare queen? good job being the irrelevant person noone cares about. you say destroy it but your CIA is arming and training more jihadists. so funny that the left hand doesnt know what right hand is doing.

>>33903932
Well it does look cool as fuck.

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>>33903932
But were talking about American airforce not Japan Turkey or ROK. Right?

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>>33903908
and USA is brazil tier :DD

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>>33903919
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/04/25/world/u-s-general-afghanistan-alleges-russia-arming-taliban/

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>>33903917
this is u

>>33903974
I dunno what's supposed to be so special about your gif. Blast panels look to be working as intended.

>>33903919
>RT brainwash- now with even more russian semen*
>*semen is now heavily substituted with other material since sanctions hit production so hard, may contain sawdust, animal carcass, petroleum and north korean semen

>>33903962
Yeah, I'm just saying those birds are still flying.

>>33903950
I know the CIA is arming the fucking rebels, there's not a hell of a lot I can do about it besides continue to load bombs that kill the same terrorists. The CIA basically doesn't answer to anyone and the last president that tried to do something about them got himself killed so we just do our thing and they do theirs. We literally can spend so much money on war that we are fighting ourselves by proxy and we're STILL more capable than the Russians.

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>>33903938
yes, your military and intelligence agencies are secretly fighting each other via proxy how SAD!

>>33903995
I dont even like american and i am non to begin with, but thanks for showing again how little you get.

>>33903862
Because nobody in America (and most other nations) pays any attention to cyber security.

Fuck, man, did you miss the part of the election where Clinton was transmitting and storing classified material on an unsecure server?

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>>33904005
funny how everything from US media is FAKE NEWS by your Tramp president and the only news you watch is FAUX news! ebin

>>33904020
thats literally what I just said in >>33904014
And we literally ignore Russian air probes against us on a regular basis because they know better than to touch American aircraft.

Americans will be a minority in their own country soon, and half(or more) their military are foreigners

I love how this thread started off talking about US air defense and descended into a shitshow <3

>>33903974
Now now, let's not take things this far. I'm Brazilian and I can tell you that all we have are few couple hundred IGLA-S missiles, some RBS-70s, a couple dozen Gepards and that's it.

>>33904064
your president is most powerfull man the world, yet has no control on his intelligence agencies? CIA serving jewish and gulf arab interest while burgers like you being dumb and just follow orders like good goys to listen to CIA

>>33903933
Because they used to be. Just as Britain still claims it's relevant. Opposite to Germany's claims that they are absolutely not taking over Europe for a third time in 100 years.

>>33904054
Here is your (you), but you need to do a bigger trick for the next one, the standard russian shill ramblings wont cut it then.

>>33904069
Do you not realize that "Americans" didn't exist 240 years ago and we literally all came from other countries (except whats left of the natives we didn't kill)

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>>33904069
The fastest growing demographic group In Russia is Muslims. It ain't just the western countries seeing large demographic shifts.

>>33904072

welcome to 4chan, enjoy your stay

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>>33904036
because burgers are stupid and their password is just "password" and still using windows XP for all critical functions?
why dont just get a Mac for all your military lolol

russia never been attackd by weak USA. this is why when tramp wants to false flag attack at syria he informed russian military first to evacuate before firing shitty missiles that purposely miss targets (maybe it was not purposeful because shitty inferior US cruise missiles)

>>33904072
>implying this wasnt a bait thread from the start
>implying it is possible to discuss anything even remotely russian with vatniks present
Now prepare for the next basket son vatnik start screaming about muh fatniks.

>>33904121
Nah I just like how it's our own version of Godwin's law. A thread can only go so far before shitposting happens.

>>33903438
>/pol/ go home

It's true. Russia has Buk, S-400, and Pantsir all working in tandem. The USA doesn't have an IADS like that. The world's greatest air defense in the world is undoubtedly in Russia.

>>33904072
burgerclaps are so stupid and disillusioned to think that they are the most powerfull force in the world when their aircraft like F-15 are inferior to russian jets like Su-37.
Then the F-35 is a money milking cash cow for jew interests and the F-22 is a glass cannon that even S-300 can shot down

srsly all these burgers need to wake the fuck up and realize their military is crumbling and in a state of confusion and disillusionment. i read this article that US army specops are fighting CIA specops in iraq and syria how stupid is that.

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>>33904103
hello where are arguments? :DD

t. CNN
t. FAX news
t. MSNBC

>>33904131
Actually we've upgraded to win8/10 now pretty much DOD wide now I think. There may still be some systems using 7

>burgerclaps
Is this the next Armatard creation that is going to be forced by him, which was never and wont be a thing?

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>>33903510
Stealth means jack shit to Russia's low frequency radar systems.

>All those foreigners with a chip on their shoulder and a severe inferiority complex towards us
>All of these thin-skinned Ameri/k/ans who will readily get butthurt at the smallest amount of criticism?

Yikes. Is /k/ the absolute easiest board to troll or what?

>>33904169
>33904131
lmao, our F-15s are over 40 years old and can still take anything in the Russian inventory out of the sky

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>>33904166
USAF pilots operating in syria knowingly well that they are operating within range of russian S-400 so they have toilet seats in case they shet in jet when see HUD saying "U R FUGGED BY RUSSIAN 9M96E MISSILE"

>>33904214
it's about as easy as trolling /co/ if not easier.

>>33904188
and all this after you get hacked by chinese and russian schoolboy scriptkids

t. chelsea manning (male)

>>33903674
Singaporean here. Singapore would never participate in a war that is non of our business unless the USA twists our arm into it. At most we would provide a port for R&R and logistics like during Vietnam.

>>33904215
your F-15s cant even dogfight MiG-29M let alone our Su-27

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>>33904261
see>>33903890

>>33903063
we have systems in place that are traveling at 3x the speed of sound before they leave the launcher, and one of them will take out an entire squadron.
>Our anti-aircraft is untouchable

>>33904242

You're joking right? Every conflict the US got involved we're pulled right in, especially if its against Chicom scum. Are you even in the SAF?

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>>33904267
sure monkey models are good representation of pure russian/soviet skill and technicality
once again rused by american propaganda mainstreammedia muhrika stronk

>>33903919
Poofs?

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>>33904304
They weren't monkey models when they got shipped :DDD

>>33903063
The S-400 & S-500 are "better" than the Patriot in a lot of ways, but on the other hand they aren't really comparable systems. The S400/500 missiles have a considerably longer range, but probably aren't as accurate in terms of stuff like hitting tactical ballistic missiles. Really, the THAAD or SM-3 are the comparable American systems.

Also, the US Navy is really good at air defense, even if their Army doesn't really give a shit.

The US does place less importance on land air defense than the Russians, as others have pointed out because they rely more on air superiority. While the Americans are capable of building Integrated Air Defense Systems (IADS), the Russians do it more often, rely on it more heavily, and put more emphasis on ground-based systems over aircraft.

American SHORAD (low-altitude air defense) is particularly garbage though. They pretty much 100% rely on the Stinger-C (in both the MANPADS and HMMWV Avenger configuration) with some half-assed attempts to trundle their naval SHORAD assets onto land as point-defense systems. And in addition to pinning all of their SHORAD hopes on a second-rate one-size-fits-all platform, the competence of the actual users is fucking terrible.

>>33904334
cos you have no idea how soviet airforce doctrine works? destroy a few migs and sukhois an thousands more will replace. dumb ameriburger

>>33904377
>Rus airplanes are good
>no they aren't
>BUT MUH DOCTRINE
nice goalpost moving. So you admit they are shit eh?

>>33904394
>responding to him

I bet he's not even Russian, just someone looking for a reaction.

>>33904116
"American" is what they called European(mostly northern european/anglo) settlers in this area. Who then formed a country for themselves.
It is only in the 60's that the leftists were able to rewrite the immigration policy to be non-white only, while also refusing to enforce border security

Do we not have a right to self-government, to our own country, to even exist?

>>33904405
i know, I just like seeing troll's reactions.

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>>33904350
>SPAAGs are still a thing even now

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>russiaboo defense force in full swing
>implying the US needs AA doctrine representative of second-hand shittery it could ever be up against
>my fucking face when russia boos mad as fuck

>>33904394
Lets see if he can even make an answer without an insult for starters, he already has written himself into a vatnik fever of ramblings.

ITT;

>Vatniks so obvious they even throw out our, we, and us every comment talking about russian weapons systems

>watch RT and complain about US news

>complain about american elections/president and inappropriate behavior from intelligence agencies with life time dictator and ex secret police man putin in power. Politicians and reporters alike are routinely assassinated by their own government.

>Call US bunch of welfare queens(jesus the irony)

>Compare their top of the line AA to our last gen that we don't even really bother to use in the first place

>act like they have a single fighter with a better than neutral KDR

>Actually don't think 1/3rd of their military force aren't rusted out hulks that effectively only exist on paper

>Repeat MAYMAYS about syria missile strike that were disproved weeks ago

>Desperately pretend to not be a regional power

Im sorry i cant hear you over the sound of our blue water navy that can actually into force projection what with literally 10 times the aircraft carriers of russia and all.

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>>33904432
YOU TAKE THAT BACK

>>33904432
>with literally 10 times the aircraft carriers of russia and all

what?

>>33903110
>chapparal
>hawk
>patriot
>avenger
Get rid of the first two and you'd be correct. The Patriot system has morphed itself into an anti-IRBM platform more than a true SAM over the past decades and there are only a handful of Avenger batteries left. All of the divisional SHORAD battalions were removed from service in the mid-2000s. All of the M6 Linebackers have been converted to M2 Bradleys and the same for the LAV-AD. The only true SHORAD battalion left, 5-5 ADA, is mostly used for counter rocket and mortal missions.

The reason for this is because half of the USAF trains to take out enemy air defense systems as their primary mission. The other half is C-17s and C-130s.

>>33904405
There is a good chance it is the armatard, depending on his asshurt level he writes and behaves exactly in that way. And there is no way that this guy is not a russian, if i remember correctly he already was identified to have posted the same garbage on other chans ints under russian flag til he got banned for his never ending shirpostings.

>>33904451
13K (USN and USAF combined) aircraft vs 3.5K aircraft from the Rus air force. though in terms of combat aircraft its more like 2.8-1

>>33904432
Russia doesn't field carriers, Kuzy is a Heavy Aircraft Carrying Guided Missile Cruiser.

>>33904498
The one person i know for certain to be Russian is the guy who uses the word "Amerishit" at least 4 times in every post he makes.

Trust me, you'll recognize him easily when he posts angrily in any Russkie bashing thread... especially any discussion about the Russian navy.

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>>33904242
RSAF personnel here. We'd be willingly kill our fellow Chinese brethren when USA-sama asks us to.

Our F-15SGs can take down any made in China Soviet ripoffs. We don't even need to send the SAF and our airforce alone can obliterate every single slavshit monkeymodel flying coffins in Southeast Asia

>>33904514
>>33904451
Oops, guess we have infinitely more times the aircraft carriers as russia MB

>>33904557
>>33904432
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/06/01/more-top-gun-russian-jets-buzz-us-navy-destroyer-in-black-sea

ur pathetic navy cowers in fear of our airforce. you bunch of sad burgers are just in denial. got beating by vietnam and sand monkeys sad!!!!!!

>>33904522
Same guy. He always has one insult he cant stop repeating, til it becomes too obvious because people recognize him to soon and then he goes to into hiding for some time.

Think he started with "imbecile", then "fatnik (is of broken)", "shartnik" is quite recent, and "burgerclap" seems to be his new choice for this thread, probaly got rekted in another thread before while using shartnik.

>>33904405
my thoughts this entire thread

>>33904614
>and then he goes to into hiding for some time.
Kek, that definitely is him. At the very least he's easy to identify and harass so he makes for quality shitposting.

>>33904542

SPEAKING LIKE A TRUE PAP COCK-HOLSTER~!
Also implying air power wins every time.

>>33904613
>destroyer utterly unaffected
>cowering
Russian education everyone.

>>33904688

Are you implying being proud of my military means I support the government in power?

Fucking Singacucks civvies. have you even served NS yet fuccboi?

It would be just dandy if /k/ posters had a flag, like other chans

>>33903574
(you)

>>33904680
Would really spend something to see what his actual life looks like, then again it is probaly nothing else then the life of an person with mental disorders which were never treated. Although i find the idea amusing of him not going into hiding, but getting his internet cut by his mom, because he has gone all wild agai. about another internet discussion.

>>33904765
IDs would be also nice, but think of this: flags and ID that could be reversly turned on by a mod. Would rek some shitposters pretty hard.

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>>33904688
Kill yourself SCDF pleb

>>33904817
It is somewhat fun how there are only a few things they alway post (the stealth plane shot down, Iraq MWD, the US crew crying caught by iran,...) while the rest on the other hand just simply cant decide which russian fuck up to chose from. Heck, i doubt one person can even have a remotely keep track of them all.

>>33904899
i am terribly ammused by the complete propaganda level that they naturally reek of, everything that they speak of sounds fabricated in order to make up for some deficiency

ok the coast is clear- back to real discussion

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>>33904963

>thread comparing Russian and NATO SAMs and AA systems
>Not expecting Slavs

While I do not deny the superiority of US interceptors, the Stingers are complete crap which is why my nation's military chose to replace our decaying stockpile of Stingers with Iglas.

>>33905033
You seriously didnt even manage to let one post pass without shitposting? Really? You must be real fun at parties.

>>33903649
>ROK wouldn't take part,

True.

>more like Vietnam,

No. They couldn't care less about Taiwan. And they don't have a navy or air force capable of assisting in any significant counterattack.


>India,

Hell no. Their navy is shit, literally.

>Phillipines,

LOLMAO. They don't even a have a modern, capable navy or air force.

>Australia and Japan+NATO

Ok, now these are nations with modern sea and air power but there's no way in hell they are going to war with China. None whatsoever.
They would have massive anti-war protests in the streets and their Prime Ministers would be impeached if they went to war with China.

is it russki?

>>33905215
asking for a friend

>>33903361
>Russia got BTFOd by Georgia
When will this meme end?
They lost four antiquated aircraft out of hundreds and had unquestioned air superiority.

>>33903794
To be fair, the North Vietnamese did have Russian and Warsaw pact "advisors" and SAM batteries

>>33903063
Training for Russian AA might be but on a technical level, NATO is still slightly ahead because of their ability to own Air Space before even having to use AA defense.

>>33903674

The Filipinos are one of the best 'soldiers' in the South East Asian region. Their stupid if left on their own. Take a battalion of high school graduates that want to enter the military, give them decent military training in the US and put them under properly trained US military officers and you're going to be impressed.

The Philippines' biggest import is manpower. From caregivers to oil rig engineers, they're dependable and hardworking. They're also corrupt and incompetent. You'd need a whip to keep them in line.

They've done good in theaters of war. Probably their best is in the Battle of Yultong (Yuldong) in the Korean War.

They have an inherent sense of inferiority complex against foreigners, they were under Spanish rule for so long that they do not know how to govern themselves. So they're good soldiers if you know how to use them.

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>>33904891
>>33904721

Son. When you totally implying "our airforce alone can obliterate every single slavshit monkey model flying coffins in Southeast Asia" that's why you are ignorant fools. What experience can RSAF can get by shooting target that doesn't shoot back? What experience that our NS conscript can when fat NS instructor packs were filled with McDonalds and Snickers during combat march and led by snotty brat selected because they're rich as platoon leader? I've been serve with RS** and seeing how much pathetic our Singapore forces have become to. Technologies will never replaced the experience and hiding behind hi-tech gear won't saved you in a muddy foxholes. Our PAP government racist and chauvinist policy won't help either. I've seen lots and lots of our capable SINGAPORE Malays/Indians/Eurasian been denied their places to serve because they not Chinese and replaced by PAP followers. Oh. Remember the RSS Courageous? Our government was so suspicious and delayed the rescue operation for hours because of idiotic planning. That's bastard that REALLY responsible for that collision were given slap in the wrist because his father is rich and rich PAP money contributor. Other RSN officer that off-duty were forced to bear that bastard sins. We NEVER appreciate the Johorean fishermen that were FIRST on the scene and the LAST to leave the rescue operation even though that bastard or some big wigs ordered ALL GUNS TRAINED at the fishermen rescue effort. And yet our "SINGAPORE STRONG" foolish keyboard warrior still claimed that we the "best" even though we even cannot win against supposed "poor backward" Indonesian in AARM.

>>33904267
That guy looks like he has a fat pussy.

>it's another "/k/ falls for thinly veiled bait" episode
You retards are probably from arfcom and /r/guns

>>33903458
>US and Vietnam ally to fight chicoms
I find it funny that almost all of US allies are people we once fought.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/donaldkirk/2014/09/08/philippine-un-peacekeepers-heroes-or-cowards-for-escaping-syrian-rebels/#6fbd9457b7e7

Fucking cowards, these guys aren't worthy to defend my freedom.

>>33904377
But senpai, America alone, not even count the rest if NATO has thousands of more planes than russia.

>>33904377
Doctrine only works when you're actually paying to maintain your aircraft.

>>33904131
>russia never been attackd by weak USA.
We invaded and occupied Russia during/after the revolution. It's understandable that you don't know this, because we forgot about it. While our troops were there. IIRC they had to fight their way across Siberia to contact Washington and then all the way back to get picked up and go home.

Why are russians always so butthurt? Is it because they're Russian? Lack of gun rights? Lack of hegemony? Lack of big penis? Lack of whiteness? Lack of working economy? Lack of jobs? Lack of high speed comcast internet? Lack of intelligence? Lack of ability to defend against Trump tomacawks? Poor vatniks will never be a real human

>>33904304
>sure monkey models are good representation of pure russian/soviet skill and technicality
Number of Yuri Gagarins killed by monkey models: 0
Number of Yuri Gagarins killed by pure russian/soviet skill and technicality: 1
Monkey models confirmed superior.

>>33903890
Im still suprised that the Mig-25 had the best ratio out of all of them

>>33905886
Hardly related to the thread topic but I'll bite.
>Poo in loo general orders Fijians to lay down their arms and surrender, Fijians are now captives.
>Flips now surrounded by rebels are being ordered by poo in loo to surrender and get captured for the safety of the Fijians.
>AFP says fuck that and orders our boys to escape.

>>33906430
Compared to what other country exactly?

>>33903163
>You're right. The Russians continue to develop AA systems while we concentrate more on superior air power.
>Maybe because the bulk of the Russian air to air fighters are obsolete soviet era rustbuckets.
Or maybe because they preparing for defense while you preparing for aggression?

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>>33903063
S-500 is not in service. Patriot is shit. US navy AA defense systems are one that should be compared with Russian. But you should remember that you can't have so much electrical power on ground that you have in sea.

>>33903063
Don't buy into the air superiority meme. The US Army would love to get some decent SAMs, but they just don't have the budget. They would also like an airborne tank, but again not in the budget. The US Army does not entrust their safety to the fucking chair force because they think it's actually a good idea. The air superiority meme is just something sold to the gullible public to help justify the neo-con interventionist foreign policy. Even if the USAF does somehow magically prevent every enemy aircraft from ever firing on ground forces, that still leaves assets like surface to surface missiles, drones, and helicopters to contend with.

>>33903262
>reddit spacing

Opinion disregarded.

>>33903063

Sure as hell didn't stop those 'hawks from fucking up that Syrian airbase.

>>33903163
>Maybe because the bulk of the Russian air to air fighters are obsolete soviet era rustbuckets.
Western corporations are in control of market of planes. They build them in extremely huge numbers = they can spend huge amounts of money on R&D. Those expenses will pay off by pure numbers of sold planes. Russians do not have access on that market. They can't pay off their expenses on R&D. But Russians own market of ground based AA defense systems. That market allows them do develop new systems and be ahead.

>>33904153

/pol/ and /k/ are one board.

>>33903649
>ROK wouldn't take part, more like Vietnam, India, Phillipines, Australia and Japan+NATO
>>33903674
>Phillipines
>>33905886

ROK wouldn't fight China, they need to coexist and have Best Korea to worry about anyway. Philippines are too unreliable these days, you wouldn't count on them (unfortunately). Australia is a hard one to call because China is important to them, normally they'd follow USA like a lost puppy but against China they might possibly stay neutral. It would have to be something pretty extreme to make Australia move against China. Their tech is adequate to join in the war but their resources are tiny, won't matter though because just like basically all alliance wars these days:

Everyone who is not the USA is really just window dressing to make it look like the USA isn't doing what the fuck it wants. Australian troops in the Vietnam war were always placed in places believed to be safe (not always correctly but the attempt was made), same in Iraq. US allies tend to be fairly safe and put somewhere vaguely useful doing something necessary which will give their military experience but not in direct danger day-in-day-out.. Those are the kinds of deals that governments make to be used as window dressing by the US.

So it's really China vs US with some ride-alongs. China might conceivably have a couple of third-world partners send over a 'medivac unit' or something fairly pointless and REMF.


>>33905870
>I find it funny that almost all of US allies are people we once fought.
I think it's got something to do with learning from the Marshall plan. That might be where the idea started, or at least the largest and most obvious implementation. Except for Vietnam obviously, it's arguably also an effect of regime change. The people in power in those countries aren't necessarily the same groups that the US fought previously.

>>33906517
>>33906517
Can't follow orders much?
Did the Fijians already die? Nope, The Filipinos were just too self centered as if their some big thing in the UN.

>>33903063
>parking both trucks so close together
field strategy my ass

>>33906719
I suppose you say something similar about that carrier groups with all ships gathered together for beautiful propaganda photos?

>>33903919
>while every terrorist organization uses AK series, RPG series, AT series weapons from Russia.

>>33903361
>The US will throw Taiwan under the bus in a heartbeat if it means preventing war
I don't disagree that they're capable of it but an excuse to start shit with China might be too tempting to pass up.

The reason is that if China is left alone, it has every chance of eclipsing USA in 50 years. Until recently, China has avoided flexing muscle internationally, even now it's quite cagey about it. Mao always said to forget dreams of world domination and just concentrate on catching up to the rest of the world by keeping to themselves and avoiding unnecessary cash sinks. Since they innovate a little and steal a lot, they'll get US levels of tech eventually and when they do, US won't be able to stand up to them because demographics and technology will then be in China's favor.

By starting shit before that happens, US can push China's shit in, demolish their military R&D and dismantle the dictatorial regime that lets China perform that kind of long-term strategy without regard for short-term pain. A pluralist democracy subject to the same kinds of monetary pressure as western governments will end up being owned by basically the same sorts of people and USA knows how to work with that.

>>33906729
Not necessarily since ships around the carrier are to protect from air and torpedos.
The carries must survive at all costs.

>>33906748
>carriers*
My PC is acting up for some reason.

>>33903163
That's a Su 25 though

>>33906838

According to Russian propaganda, a Ukrainian Su-25 managed to intercept and shoot down a 777 at cruising altitude & speed. So according to Russia, it is a fighter.

>>33905748
I see a Flipfag here

>>33906914
The A10 got confirmed air to air kills, doesn't make it a figther

>>33903852
>THAAD
>Kinetic Kill against aircraft

Nigga what

>>33907092
S-500 is ABM not AAM.

>>33903748
sure.

>>33903919
>enjoy your citizens getting beheaded

There's nice videos available of your soldiers being taken prisoner and beheaded.

Russian SAMs are pretty much THE state of the art. It's always been a matter of measure/counter measure in aerial warfare.

>>33903451
Lololololol no

>>33903458
Fuck u fags are dumb

>>33903760
Jesus Christ you're a dumb fuck. Why do you even talk?

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>>33904542
You are getting literally BTFO by poor equipped, although based Houthis!

>>33907487
singapore, not the camel shaggers

>>33903063
Our missile systems are designed to hit missiles, not planes, because no one else has any chance of ever gaining air superiority against us. The Russians have a defensive doctrine in which their objective is to deter planes from entering airspace and denying ground troops air support.

>>33903105
They've only got a bajillion ballistic and theater missiles they can pull warheads from to test their S- systems ABM capability.
Oh wait they've been doing just that. For years.
Seems like having a bunch of SCUD's and Tochka's laying around to test ABM shit on works in their advantage.
The US has 2-3 layers of ground based air defense - Close in (Stinger, Avenger, C-RAM, Linebacker) and Long range/theatre (Patriot, and soon to be THAADS)
Russia has like 6 layers - Close in, Short/medium, Medium, Extended, Long/Theatre, and Strategic

>>33903119
Your theory flies out the door at mach 3 as soon as we face a determined adversary with extensive heloborne air assault capabilities.
The only advantage the US has is we have more ground based CIWS at the monent - the C-RAM. Not enough Pantsir's fielded. However upgrades to the Tunguska system make it capable of taking out PGM's and large rocket artillery
>>33903361
They didn't necessarily get BTFO, the operation was a success and Russian air was only minorly impeded. But it definetely was a wake up call learning experience for them - they didn't anticipate just how good their older systems could be in foreign hands

>>33903451
They'll do exactly what they did last time they attempted to take Taiwan - only spearheaded this time by a few brigades of PLAMC Marines and Airborne troops so they can land tens of thousands of troops on civilian/commercial boats after a beachhead is established

>>33903458
A shit ton of their APC's and some of their tanks are amphibious, Taiwan honestly isn't that far off from the mainland

>>33903670
I'm a yank but I'm not stupid enough to realize that we could easily be stretched too thin to where ground based air defense will become all the more important. The next generation of US land based close in air defense needs to be a Gun/Missile CIWS with a formidable anti drone capability. If we aren't going to pay much attention to the problem and just keep 2 layers might as well have one system with Guns/SHORAD'S and medium range/high altitude AA/Anti drone capability. It's not as capable as Russia or china, but it covers our bases and a single system covering Close-in/Short/medium saves on manpower

>>33903063
I can't quite express in words, how much I'd love for /k/ to have flags.
Entire threads could be disregarded at the drop of a hat.

>>33907759
You will feel right at home bud.
>>>/bant/

>>33904413
Frankly, no. This world belongs to everyone and anyone, borders are stupid, property is stupid and so is race. That's why I wholeheartedly support new colonialism where we extract resources and this is also why I have no qualms with invading whatever we want. Souvereignity is overrated and ethnic honogenity as well. Just look at all historic examples to support my viewpoint.

>>33903574
>Country bombed into submission
>manages to shoot down one stealth fighter.

America a shit. Slav stronk!

>>33904212

*Pic unrelated

>>33907668
>we don't need SAMs, we got air superiority anyways
>one sabre lost, multiple damaged by undermotorized crop duster

>>33904069
>Americans will be a minority in America
I don't think you thought that through...

>>33905142

Britain, Polan and maybe France might help if America went to war with choyna

that would be 2 to 3 carrier groups and 2 squadrons of SSNs plus God knows how many aircraft added to the "tear China a new asshole fund"

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>>33906487
It's arguably the 2nd best Soviet fighter based on its operational history, which includes massive kike ass pain when the Russians flew it over Israel and the Sinai and the IAF couldn't do a damn thing.

The only Soviet/Russian fighter to kill a 4th gen US plane (F-18 during desert storm). It also hit an F-15 with a missile during Desert Storm, the closest an F-15 has been to getting shot down by any other fighter.

Not bad at all for a 60's vaccine tube powered pure interceptor with a max G of 4.5

Incase you are wondering, the Su-27 is the #1 for the Soviets

>>33903490
Doubt Singapore would join in. They use Igla MANPADS, which kinda shows they aren't super aligned with the US, although they mostly are.

>>33905404
>unquestioned air superiority

someone better tell the VVS as the Georgians were doing attack runs throughout the war and even strafed a generals convoy

>>33903081
Not when the f35s start replacing our already superior shit.

>>33903063
Daily reminder that US military Anti-air systems are not limited to ground-based SAM networks. Ship-based SAMs, networked airborne sensors and air force anti-air platforms are all, at the very worst case, equal to the best of Soviet/Russian gear, and in most cases superior.

>>33907799
>2017
>Using the Korean War as a relevant example of air superiority

There is no other nation remotely capable of combating the combined strength of the USAF and the USN in the air.

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>>33908059
No one questions that. That probably isn't going to cut it once some ragheads realize how easy it is to fill a motorized kite with ANFO and ram it into a base though.

>>33908073
>how easy it is to fill a motorized kite with ANFO and ram it into a base though.
Just how easy do you think that is? I mean, seriously. Not only CAP, but CRAM on or over every major base these days, man.

Use your fucking head.

>>33908073
A) Ragheads don't have access to drones capable carrying more than makeshift mortar shells.
B) Shooting down a civilian drone is not difficult.

>>33908080
so they 'll just be able to pull it off with smaller bases? Still sucks

>>33908106
>Shooting down a civilian drone is not difficult.

Hell you can ewar it out of the sky.

>>33908112
Good luck getting that shit through against AWACS and CAP, much less getting it off the ground against US ISR.

>>33904020
>Look! We found found an M4! This means they are being armed by the US!
>But don't worry about the AKs in the hands of terrorists, that has nothing to do with Russa
Why do vatniks do this?

>>33908138
Because they are legitimately retarded.

>>33908113
just like the RQ-170 :^)

>>33908106
just because they aren't using it yet means they have no access. How many thousand people in the US order kits to build their own ultralight planes? It's not exactly rocket science.

>>33908153

Would have triggered me a year or so ago.

>>33908176
Which part of this are you having difficulty with? A fucking ultralight or a civilian drone is going to get rekt the moment it gets anywhere near a modern military's air base. Hadjiis operate against modern militaries with ambushes and IEDs, they are only offensive against 3rd world militaries and other hadjiis. It's 2017, do you really think we're flying sorties with multi-million dollar aircraft off a random landing strip with no defenses?

>>33904267
TREH-VOOOOOR

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>>33906746
The PRC would under no circumstance survive an american attack in one piece.
Sinkiang, Tibet and cantonese Guangdong, Hong Kong and Macao would push for independence almost immediately and I'm pretty sure the rest would be torn apart by generals and CPC cadres trying to gain power and secure themselves nice position as warlords and presidents for life in their own republics similiar to the 1920's.

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>>33908246
I wasn't trying to imply that they'll be able to hit a heavily defended airbase with it. There are other high value targets with less or no protection. Without short range air defense i'd expect the airborne version of webm related to happen at some point.

>>33908178
didn't that happen almost a decade ago?

>>33908295
You do realize that ISIL is packing those VBIEDs with thousands of pounds of high explosives. How much weight do you really think you can add to a fucking ultralight or a drone?

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>>33903262
>When you spend 200+ billion dollars a year on an airforce, you kinda don't need to spend money on ground based air defense
>imagine if the Chinks blitz Taiwan, the US would NEVER be able to retake it
>US forces are logistically too heavy
>their troops don't know how to win fights without calling for airstrikes

>>33908295
>high value targets with less or no protection

Nope. High value gets said protection.

>>33908321
100-200 pounds seems like a reasonable amount and that should be easily feasible with modified ultralight vehicles.

>>33908361
Wrong.

Ultralight payloads are measured in tens of pounds, not hundreds.

>>33908366
tens of pounds including a pilot that can now get replaced with more payload

>>33904185
Reminder: The USA is the only superpower in the world :D

>>33908381
You are forgetting control systems that are replacing the human, along with radio gear and cams.

Ultralights use human power as a means of control, and you do use muscle.

>>33903438

Its likely the opposite, Trump probably wouldn't do a damn thing.

Can some post pics of are U.S s.a.m weapons I have never really seen that we well developed s.a.m systems beside the patriot batteries And the recently deployed thaad system which has nothing to do with aa from my understanding , rather to shoot down terminal ballistic missiles. The ageis system seems to be tippy top of the line dont we have something like that, that is land based. I don't claim to know in depth what im talking about so, plz no bully.

>>33906718
You don't follow unlawful orders

>>33908323

Not him but its true, the American public can't stand taking losses in american life. There would immediately be outcry of "why didn't we bomb them more first!?" as soon as a Marine stubs his toe. We can't throw American lives away on meat-grinder shit anymore.

>>33908285
Tibet and Sianking are chinese now
Hong Kong/Macao is same shit

After decades of chink communism, and movement to urban areas, there isn't the regional identities necessary for China to split into parts

The PRC itself might fall(though I doubt it), but China is in a far stronger place than the USA which actually has whole states like Texas or California filled with racially alien peoples
Also an other 50 million blacks who would riot if their gibs were reduced

>>33908361
Look guy, I get that you've put some thought into this. You've convinced yourself that this is a feasible idea. Now take a step back and actually look at the argument you're making. It's stupid and makes no logical sense. You cannot pack several hundred pounds of explosives into an aircraft designed to carry the operator only. If you want to make it unmanned, you have to have sophisticated equipment, which is also heavy. ISIL has figured out a niche for civilians drones by dropping mortar shells on unsuspecting infantry. They do not have raw materials, funds, or skill to make fleets of kamikaze drones out of ultralights.

>>33906430
Been indoctrinated a century long that they are strong and can crush everyone, while everything shit in their country is only through outer forces, that takes it toll and is deeply imlemented in their mindset. Also covering up the low esteem over how shit their country actually is at the moment.

>>33906544
Name a nation that is so butthurt about everything like russia on the internet. Seriously, i cant think of any that is on that level, they are like a fucking walking Barbra Streisand Effect. Spare us with the manditory whataboutism of the US.

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>>33908400
granted, no idea what the servos necessary to actuate the control surfaces would weigh but i'd guess you could get them and the radio gear to stay below 30 pounds.

All i'm saying is that with a MIG welder and some orders from china you should easily be able to rig together a formidable flying VBIED capable to deal some serious damage. With some bad luck a 37mm HEDP grenade can fuck up your day, a suicide ultralightweight crashing into a FOB is going to be worse.

>>33908457
i'm not saying that they have that or that other groups that are relevant today may/do, it's just hypothetical. I don't see what's preventing anyone with a few thousand bucks and a working supply line to china from doing so so i figured it's viable enough.

Only the actuators for your control surfaces get heavier with bigger craft, the rest is similar to your 08/15 quadcopter as long as you're fine with short range.

People here are arguing about theoretical conflicts with China. If there's ever going to be a conflict with a group backed by a nation that's not a completly failed state i think the chances of this type of attack happening are rather high. The israelis worked it out a decade or so ago and turned it into the IAI Harop.

>>33908557
Stop playing fucking Black Ops 2. VBIEDs are relevant because manpower, explosives, and cars/trucks are plentiful. Anyone with the funds to create an unmanned vehicle capable of flying significant amounts of ordinance towards an enemy are just going to make a missile.

>>33908440
From Wikipedia:
>Sinkiang ethnic demographics:
>Uyghur 10,019,758 46.42%
>Han 8,416,867 38.99%
>Kazakh 1,514,814 7.02%
>Hui 980,359 4.54%
>Kirghiz 189,309 0.88%
>Mongols, Dongxiangs, Daurs 179,615 0.83%

>Tibet:
>The ethnic Tibetans, comprising 90.48% of the population
That's more than enough for proper indepedence or civil wars.

Also Hong Kong/Macao have a quite strong own identities, which they would want to preserve.

>>33908621
a missile is a lot harder to build and accurately steer and carries less payload. If you turn the idea of the suicide plane into something more sophisticated like the IAI harop it also has the advantage of providing reconaissance at the same time, picking its own target and being able to land when not needed.

>>33908670
One Harop costs 10 million dollars retail. If you have the infrastructure, technology, and funds to create such an aircraft, why the fuck wouldn't you just use targeted missile strikes or build a drone and arm it with missiles? There is a reason the only military to actually buy any of them are the fucking Indians.

>>33907990
I'm sorta glad. Its a cool fucking plane

>>33907572
In reality, Singapore would perform only marginally better than the KSA or UAE in a real conflict.

I expect the JSDF and ROK to be the same. None of them are prepared for real war like the West or Russia. Good news for them, is the human material of PLA is really bad despite their modern equipment. The Chinese peacekeepers in Mali ran and hid in their base after some of them were killed by an RPG and refused to go out and protect the civilians under attack, which even the Ethiopian contingent attempted to do.

Japan/ROK against China will be a battle of better trained inept cowards against less trained but hardier inept cowards who are more used to spartan conditions and lower living standards, at least until some of the lessons of real battle are incorporated by the veterans.

At this point, the quality of Filipino, Thai and Indonesian soldiers exceeds all the East Asian armies as they have seen operations

>>33908714
kasachstan and israel bought some too. Besides that it was just an example on where you can take the concept of the kamikaze drone

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>>33903163
>Maybe because the bulk of the Russian air to air fighters are obsolete soviet era rustbuckets.

Russia has a land-based defensive strategy.

Keep in mind they've been assaulted and invaded by ever major power in all of history, including non-stop aggression from the West. The Great Game is still very much alive, look at the demonization of Putin and his government by the Anglo-Zionist West.

>>33908753
It's an example of a concept that is fucking stupid. For 10 million dollars you can buy two predators and 20 hellfire missiles, which is by far a more cost effective ground attack system.

>>33903063

Not really, it's simply a matter of doctrine.

To summarize and simplfy USA and thus NATO view of AA:
'What is the need of AA if I have total and overwhelming air superiority?'

>>33908757
That is one of those post that single handedly can make you win a bullshit bingo.

>>33908757
>the demonization of Putin and his government by the Anglo-Zionist West.
vatnik please, it is not like he is a big cuddly teddy bear who did nothing wrong

>>33908808
This. If Putin doesn't want to be demonized, maybe he should slow down on the whole economic raping of his own people while trying to bring the good old KGB/Soviet suppression days back thing he's got going on.

>>33908818
Or invading his neighbours

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>>33908808

He's a better statesman than 95% of the so-called "leaders" of the West, who are in fact mostly prostitutes groomed to bring about he onset of a globalized, world economic and political structure that puts the ownership class in charge of practically everything.

That's why (((they))) hate Putin and Iran and other similar states - because they are sovereign, and that just makes (((them))) furious. What do you think the purpose of American and Soros NGOs is? They're fifth columns.

>>33908468
>Name a nation that is so butthurt about everything like russia on the internet.

Hungary. Not even kidding show them a romanian flag and they foam at the mouth

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>>33908818
>If Putin doesn't want to be demonized, maybe he should slow down on the whole economic raping of his own people while trying to bring the good old KGB/Soviet suppression days back thing he's got going on.

Jesus Christ, spoken like a fucking press agent for the State Department.. You hit ALL of the talking points.

But you missed how he oppresses faggots and bombs bread hospitals in Syria.

>>33908839
>who are in fact mostly prostitutes groomed to bring about he onset of a globalized, world economic and political structure that puts the ownership class in charge of practically everything.
Except that's exactly what Putin is, save for the difference of him not being run by but running the oligarch class. He literally owns significant or controlling interests in everything worth owning in Russia, including most of the natural resource wealth of the country. Just how blind are you?

>>33908752
i can hardly imagine that their performance would be that absymal but i don't know anything about them so who am i to judge

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>>33908846
>You hit ALL of the talking points.
Just because other governments say something does not make it untrue. That's a false dichotomy, and a pathetic attempt at damage control by attempting to muddy the waters.

You can't even address the actual points made because you know every single one of them is true.

>>33908825
maybe his neighbours wouldn't get invaded would their governments not get coupd'd to integrate them into NATO

>>33908874
maybe they wouldn't want to join the EU/NATO if Putin weren't constantly shoving Moscovite sock puppets into leadership positions and constantly working to keep them poor, unable to defend themselves and absolutely reliant on Russian resources and protection.

>>33908874
How about it doesn't matter? Don't invade other countries, same goes for the US and Russia

>>33908841
And i have a uncle who cant stop swearing. You got something revelant to say? Seriously, look through /k/ count all the hungary butthurt posts and only come back when the number is larger than the russian butthurt ones. Hell, i bet we dont even have a single butthurt post that could be identified as a hungarian one on /k/ at the moment.

>>33908841
Hungarians and Romanians, nor Turks and Armenians, or Indians and Pakis for that matter, none of these send legions of idiots to constantly shit up every single message board they can find, nor pay entire Macedonian villages to churn out and distribute bullshit memes.

>>33908882
You forgot about the coup thing. Apart from that, this is geopolitics, neither the west nor russia give a single shit about the people of these countries. You think the wreck that is left of ukraine will get integrated into the EU out of benevolence? Now that crimea is gone they've lost the only precious asset they had. There'll be some minor ramblings for the next half decade or so and then everyone will leave the festering corpse of what was once a semi functional nation to rot. Just like georgia, just worse off because their only industrial area was ravaged by a war

>>33903794
We've kinda got this thing now called electronic warfare. Only later model 52's had them during Vietnam.

>>33908890
You were talking about the internet in general.
Hungarians rarely post on here and its hard to identify them since we dont have flags on /k/.
Try visiting /pol/ once in a while you'll see i'm right.

>>33908930
isn't that just like the evolution of any other countermeasure like chaff and flares/IR jamming? Come up with a new one, a few years later someone finds a way to bypass it?

>>33908923
>coup thing
What else is a people to do when their entire governmental process is infiltrated and controlled from Moscow? Also, you completely ignore that the reason these countries are so fucked up now is because Putin literally cannot afford to let ANY Russians get the idea that any of their neighbors could be happier away from the umbrella held by daddy Putin.

He's literally playing the 5 year old's game of breaking his toys so no one else can play with them. Anyone who thinks Putin is some sort of 17D chess master is a complete retard. His entire playbook comes directly from the 1980's KGB foreign policy playbook.

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>>33908938
>You were talking about the internet in general.
>Try visiting /pol/
God, you are one desperate reality revionist.

>>33908958
Why are you so salty friend?

Are you Hungarian by any chance?

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>>33908975
>i obviously lost the arguement so i must call him butthurt (and say he is from nation X)
This is also a pretty regular pattern you can see around russians and their friends.

>>33908955
wait for the election 3 months down the road. If that gets manipulated chimp out. Not the other way around. Also the western part hardly is representative for the entire country.

It's reasonable to break ones toys if that prevents the loss of your buffer zones and the main port of your fleet. Anyone that thinks that the russians would just stand by while the west chips away at what little geopolitical allies and ressources they have left is delusional.

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>>33908868

Ok, let's take a look at your idiotic comments.

What exactly does "economic raping of his own people" mean and look like?

Did you confuse him with Yeltsin or Gorbachev? Because I don't know if you're aware that Putin's governments have increased GDP manifold since the 1990s.

>>33903063
>How true is this? Are Russian AA systems top notch?

Nice bait

Syria

They don't work.

USA has THAAD for fuck sake. The russkies are not even in the same century as the burgers at this stage.

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>>33908855

Oh, Putin is a globalist now?

You fucking retards don't have a leg to stand on. Fuck off Shartnik, stop wasting my time.

>>33909010
Vatnik. What is an oil price?

How many potatoes does it go up?

Putin best potato for proud squad in economy the size of Italy but mighty like lada granta

>>33909011
as far as we know they didn't fire a single SAM in syria. Why? Because neither we nor them are interested in escalation. If they were active the US/the israelis would be flying SEAD missions day and night, you don't operate over enemie SAM systems. Even Saddams shit had to be destroyed first, whatever you think of the new russian stuff, it's better than that.

>>33909017
>Oh, Putin is a globalist now?You fucking retards don't have a leg to stand on. Fuck off Shartnik, stop wasting my time.


Fuck of back to pol vatnik shill.

>>33909025
>as far as we know they didn't fire a single SAM in syria. Why?

Because they don't work.

Further they promised they would so we have a scenario where either

a)Russians lie about everything
b)S400 does not work

A bit of a and b please.

>>33909007
>>33909010
>>33909017
Uh oh. Looks like the Vatniks have been triggered and now must implement "PUTIN DIN DU NUFFIN, HE A GOOD BOI" at maximum volume.

So predictable. So sad. And so very tedious.

>>33908991
I think what russians, vatniks and the likes simply dont get how obviously they are repeating the same stuff over and over, and how easily they identify themself with it unintentionally, what is normal for them, is just alienating and stupid to most others. And with every post they make they dig their grave a little deeper.

It doesn't matter how good your AA is when hyper sonic missiles exist.

>>33908947
Countermeasures build on one another. Trolling air defense through jamming and decoys is the current go-to used by howlers and prowlers to make radar sites give themselves away.

The basics haven't changed that much since the 60's, it's mostly down to which wavelengths need to be jammed.

>>33909043
SM-3 begs to disagree.

>>33909032
and the US promised they'd stomp assads shit in should chemical weapons be used. They didn't, so according to your logic they're obviously incapable to do so.

>>33909043
Mach 5 targets aren't that hard to hit.

>>33909054
>and the US promised they'd stomp assads shit in should chemical weapons be used. They didn't, so according to your logic they're obviously incapable to do so.

Whatabout the USA whatabout the carrot whatbout something else whatabout the fact Russian airdefense is shite?

Fucking vatniks.

>>33909074
You can almost imagine how there is a test in an russian school about a bad thing about russia or bad period of russian history and all the answers are just bragging about what is wrong with the US instead.

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US military planners should “carefully consider the possible consequences” of such action, Major General Igor Konashenkov said in a statement on Thursday.

“Today, the Syrian army has effective S-200, Buk and other air defense systems, which have undergone technical renovation in the past year,” he said.

“I remind US 'strategists' that air cover for the Russian military bases in Tartus and Hmeymim includes S-400 and S-300 anti aircraft missile systems, the range of which may come as a surprise to any unidentified flying objects,” he added.

Russian air defence troops would not have time to identify the flight path of incoming rockets or aircraft that fired them, and would respond immediately, Maj. Gen. Konashenkov added.


vatniks = faggots

>>33904095
The CIA has been running essentially ungoverned since 1963. We now have a President that's willing to literally blow up CIA assets with MOABs (hint: the MOAB'd cave in Afghanistan was built by the CIA) so there's improvement.

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>>33909153
>the MOAB'd cave in Afghanistan was built by the CIA
Picture related. Or shall we just throw it onto the standard pile of russian shill propaganda like the rest?

>>33909171
Source is Wikileaks.
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/852681705391521792

>>33909202
Not a CIA asset, they were built for the Muj during the soviet invasion and abandoned in 03. IS found them when they were founded in Afghanistan.

>>33903063
My CO says otherwise.

>>33909211
>"""abandoned"""
>when the CIA funds itself through opium grown in Afghanistan

>>33909202
So just the regular russian shill could be therefore it is mumbo jumbo.

>>33909220
>implying

Ok pal.

>>33909220
>FUCK I AM LOSING THE DISCUSSION
>MUST DRAG IN MORE BULLSHIT
>NOTHING CAN BE ALLOWED TO BE DISCUSSED TO THE END IF IT AINT PRORUSSIAN, MUST DRAG IN MORE, MORE, MORE,...
Exactly as said in >>33909040

>>33908295
Couldn't all the mounted guns on those vehicles stopped the vehicle? A vehicle or two is worth more than being stuck in head chopper ville.

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>>33909294
probably. But those are iraqi conscripts, they prefer to smoke hookah instead of fortifying their bases and run at the first sign of danger

>>33904073
You also have Bofors L/70 with radar direction

>>33903510
HARM's aren't enough, they'd be taking out medium range and short range systems. We specifically are creating a long range cruise missile Anti radiation missile with a glide phase and a drogue chute phase because we are so outgunned by modern SAM's.

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>>33909038
>>33909026

Shartnik patrol on full alert now!

Quick, hide your laxatives and

>>33906574
This

>>33909670
Harms can very much be used on any radiating Sam asset.

>>33908839
Iran has only itself to blame for America hateing it.

>>33910210
yeah, why don't they love the US? The shah was such a nice person

>>33910360
>let's take us political hostages for over a year
>BAWWWW DEY DON'T LIKE US!

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>>33910496
>overthrow their democracy
>put some shitty shah in power that the population hates
>shit eventuall hits the fan
>fug we didn du nuffin :DDD

>>33910558
>mine international waters
>BAWWW DEY DON'T LIKE US
>U DESERVE IT BECAUSE OF 1925

>>33906574
>Russians are too poor to project power
>"we're just being defensive guys"

>>33910664
>fail to shoot down 50 missiles launched against an ally you are directly supporting in an armed conflict
>"we were not even trying guys"

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>>33910681
Somebody make a crying retard pepe wearing a Russian uniform and helmet.

>>33910681
>have invaded half of Europe, some countries multiple times, and participated in a war every two years during the last 100 years
>"we aren't the warmongers guys we're just defending ourselves"

Vatniks are the worst.

>>33910746
>after the fall of the USSR nearly all of the former territorys ran into the arms of the west like a battered woman
>"you know, Russia is far superior to America"

>>33910681
>shoot down 50 missiles with the limited AA assets you have stationed in a base far away with expensive long range SAMs to prevent the loss of less than half a dozen 70 year old airframes
yeah i wonder why they didn't make such a reasonable decision. What will they do without those irreplaceable MiG 21s.

>>33910931
Well, they could've potentially proven how superior their air defense are.

>>33910931
>w... We didn't want to shoot them down anyways!!!

I'm sure that the dead Syrians agree

>>33911035
all 2 of them?

>>33911055
>our allies died because we could not stop a single missile
>only two though no big deal

Vatniks

>>33911146
58 missiles, it's questionable if they even have so many long range SAMs stationed in hmeymim. The russians most likely relayed the evacuation order for the base to the syrians, everyone that stayed there fucked up on his own. You're just as bad as the people you call vatnik, how is it even remotely fun to shit up thread after thread with mindless accusations?

>>33906574
This

Nothing can compare to the size of Russia's not-the-aggressor-complex

>>33911179
>fail to stop attack you know is coming

Even worse!

>>33909017
>You stupid westerners are controlled by the Zionists who own everything
>But Anon your leader is no different and is the very definition of someone who would be considered in the "ownership" class
>FUCK OFF WESTERN PIG DOG YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND!!!!
fuck off vatnik, and bring some better arguments next time.

>>33911248
Its' nothing compared to the American "We're the good guys & can do no wrong" complex

Meanwhile they destroy whole countries by starting civil wars
Meanwhile they are destroying their own country by replacing themselves with foreigners