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If you're a submariner, and your submarine is on the verge

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If you're a submariner, and your submarine is on the verge of being destroyed underwater, what are your odds of getting out alive realistically? Also, how survivable do you think subs would be in a modern war between major powers?

> pic somewhat related, Byford Dolphin Accident
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Further reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin
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>>33902179
I don't envy the poor bastards who had to scrape those remains out.
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>>33902179
I would literally shoot myself to avoid dying in an implosion

Scary as fuck
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>>33902179
I was among the last submariners in the Royal Navy to do SETT before they shut it down, they shut it down because a modern Submarine going down would be too deep to escape from so it was a waste of time and money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56kmar-29dI
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>>33902384
Well you're not really dying of implosion so much as you're being dragged through a one inch opening.
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>>33902179
there is an urban legend that one of the divers had a submariner that survived the fast pressure change or some shit.
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>>33902408

That looks stressful as fuck, even without a sub being torn apart around you with alarms blaring
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Fucking Crammond.
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>>33902486
It was actually fun since the water is extremely warm, it is like the worlds deepest bath.
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>Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the 60 centimetres (24 in) in diameter opening created by the jammed interior trunk door by escaping air and violently dismembered, including bisection of the thoracoabdominal cavity which further resulted in expulsion of all internal organs of the chest and abdomen except the trachea and a section of small intestine and of the thoracic spine and projecting them some distance, one section later being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door
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>9 Atmospheres
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>>33902432
wtf i love rolexes now
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>>33902425
Still tho
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>>33902360
almost as bad as the people who had to clean up the SL-1 incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1
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>>33902521
Jesus Christ how horrifying. Fuck that shit.
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>>33902179
Assuming you can survive the actual sub depressurizing, yes you can live. I scuba dive, and have made ascensions from over 200 feet without air. At those depths, we are taking about 6 atms of pressure, and so a full breath at that depth is actually a ton of air. You just must keep letting out the air as you ascend. The air expands and you let it out as you go. I just hum to ensure I don't lose let it out to fast.

Just don't HOLD your breath when you ascend, over expansion injuries will fuck you up.
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>>33902559
>One of the shield plugs on top of the reactor vessel impaled the third man through his groin and exited his shoulder, pinning him to the ceiling.
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>>33902179
fuck yea it's an extra $350 a month and I don't have to shave.

t. bubble head
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>>33902577
Ill just stay up here if thats cool.
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>>33902615
>>33902559
I swear I saw a grainy photograph of Legg nailed to the ceiling once about five years ago, but it disappeared off the face of the internet. It was some pretty terrifying shit, straight out of a movie like Event Horizon.
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>>33902521
I guess I'll be joining the Army instead of the Navy...
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>>33902179
Realistically you can escape a sub in a escape suit up 60m in depth. Pretty much fucked deeper than that. Also you need immediate medical or else you'll die within a few hours.
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>>33902863
>wanting to be fucked by the big green wienie
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>>33902577
Nice dubs diver anon.
What on earth were you doing that caused you to spike up 200 feet? I know that's mixed gas range but wondering if you do work underwater for a living?

I don't know why these instant deaths scare me so much, you wouldn't know what happened like in the dolphin, vs bleeding out etc.
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>>33902384

Explosion. High pressure suddenly being released.
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K-141 Kursk.

Torpedo explodes and sinks the submarine. There are still living crew on board. Russians reject NATO offers of rescue. Russian take forever to reach the Kursk. Get there just in time for the last survivors to die as their compartment floods and their oxygen candle is extinguished.
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>>33903054
I dive nitrox exclusively, and I don't actually run out of air at any time. Only retards do. I had air, I just was doing it to try. We were doing compression diving that weekend so I was able to go back down and ease my way up after my experience.

I've also intentionally narc'ed myself a few times, it's fun but really terrifying when you think about it.
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>>33903054
Oh and no, I'm not a professional. I just dive for fun.
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>>33903164
Ah ok, I haven't done mixed gas yet but I assumed from depth. One day I'll give it a shot, I'm addicted to dry suits after getting the cert and figured how I can't afford one, heart breaking.
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Rapid depressurization doesn't happen, because the air pressure inside is equal to the water pressure outside. This means you drown normally.

Evacuation procedures are much scarier. Imagine climbing into a very small 4x4' sized pipe, then letting it fill up with water in the dark. Then, you have to go out into pure darkness (deep underwater), where you and your team will determine the next course of action, assuming you don't immediately freeze to death. Or, you can stay inside the vehicle and slowly asphyxiate as the oxygen runs out.
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>>33902179

I asked my dad this question. He has spent over 20 yrs in the Navy, all which was on subs. I asked him this and he just laughed, told me to play the lotto cause I'd have better odds.
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>>33902432
oh ffs be real lol
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>>33903225
Them feels man. I mostly dive in the UK so dry suits are a must for me most of the time, but fuck me is this an expensive hobby.
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>>33902829
Jesus.
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>>33903148

Actually it didn't get extinguished because of water - they died in a fire. Those that didn't burn to death alive suffocated because the fire took the last of their oxygen.
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>>33903315

>where you and your team will determine the next course of action

uh, swim up?
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>>33902179

Assuming the people at the bridge can surface or there's enough diving eq- yeah not really.
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>>33902179
Wouldn't a shitton of water filling a sub quickly compress the air in the rest of it and heat it?
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>>33903595

A sub acts as a bubble - the water wont' rush in, the air will hold it out. You die in a sinking sub by suffocation when your oxygen runs out, not from water.
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>>33903656
even way deep?
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>>33902863
Good call, ship life is fucking terrible as a junior enlisted man. Unless you want to be operating or some shit Air Force is the actual correct choice though.
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>>33903656
air is compressible you mongoloid
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>>33903656
That's not how that works at all.
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>>33903225
Do mixed gas, NOW. It's far safer than diving normal air, and it allows you do dive more in a shorter time. In one day, on a dive vacation I will squeeze in up to 4 dives in one day.

For normal diving, it gives you a much safer buffer over normal air.
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>>33903164
What were you doing on nitrox at 200 feet. That's a daft thing to do.

As is deliberately poisoning yourself underwater as you describe.
I reckon if this happened at all, you suspected it might and when it did you bluffed it out and was all 'yeah i meant to do that'.

Either way its a dick move. As is being at 200 feet on nitrox.
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>>33902829
I'm looking for it and love to see it. I'm certain they would of documented it but like you said, it seems to have disappeared off the internet.
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>>33903656
No, you die when the sub crushes at crush depth, ya dingus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_depth_ratings
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Depends on the sub.

Russian subs actually have escape pods.

American submariners get an orange drysuit and are told if you ever need it you're basically dead already because the suits are rated for ascending from 700 feet and the average depth of the ocean is TWO MILES.

Plus on average our submarine force is cold war era.

You think with the money we pay they could do a little fucking better but NOPE

Honestly my opinion is Americans are being scammed trillions and when they find out people will be straight up hung
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>>33904001
Getting narced isnt that dangerous as long as you have someone responsible with you. It's not going to kill you unless you don't realize you are wasting your air staring at sand or something.

Nitrox is safe well over 200 feet if you use an appropriate blend. Let me guess, you aren't even certified for overhead?
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>>33904091
Escape pods, orange suits etc are really more of a feel good thing to keep around for the crew. If a sub is seriously damaged the navy either sends in special rescue subs like we would have used on Kursk or everybody dies.

Deep down most submariners know that if the sub is damaged to the point where you need to evacuate you've already been dead since the time of the damage.
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>>33903656

That WOULD be true if the air mix was kept at equal pressure to the outside water AND if the ship was holed on the bottom
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>>33904157

Depends.

Kinda like how most car accidents take place within two miles of your home(if what I've been told is true) I imagine most submarine accidents take place in shallower water that would allow time to escape.

Personnel are ALWAYS the most expensive investment. The crew of an Abrams is worth more than the tank. People, and especially people in the armed forces, are insanely expensive.
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>>33902577
>nitrox diving at twice the maximum depth for oxygen toxicity
lmao
you don't need to lie here friend.

reminder that nitrox is designed to give you better bottom time at shallow depth by eliminating nitrogen at the expense of increased ppO2.
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>>33904260

Oxygen toxicity depths are based on AVERAGES and probably have a buffer for safety in case the average person accidentally exceeded the limit.

Its perfectly possible someone can do what he says he did.
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>>33902521
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin
nope
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>>33903148
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>>33904197

Whoops forgot to mention that because people are expensive that warrants things like escape pods and survival suits.

My opinion is we need both suits and pods.
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>>33904319
Yeah, but he was probably already very dead from the sudden pressure change. He probably did not live long enough to realize that the hatch had been opened, let alone realize he was about to die.
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>>33904260
>hahaha he probably thinks tables are more safe than computers
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>>33902425
See, that's not better
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>>33902179
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin

that picture is Truls Hellevik (Norwegian, 34 years old)
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>>33904318
a 36% EAN mixture has a max depth of 30m. 200 ft is 61m.

He's diving at more the double depth. Any sane divemaster would never dive with them again. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's beyond stupid and he didn't do it because the amount of shit you'd get from whoever is diving with you isn't worth it.

>>33904376
Tables about about nitrogen accumulation, not oxygen toxicity.
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>>33904434
No shit, but we are talking about the margin of safety. You know damn well there are conservative factors on everything in diving. Nirtrox can be used safely down several hundred feet.
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>>33904418

I can't believe its true, though.

IIRC the wiki said they were at 9 atmospheres when decompression happened.

That's equivalent to being 300 feet deep.

Now, I'm not what I'd call educated, BUT I don't think that's deep enough to cause them to explode into gore like that.
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>>33904434

True, its not recommended at all.

But we have safety buffers for a reason.

And I'm glad we have them because one accident can be horrible.
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>>33902425
Hellevik would have been dead before being pulled through the unsealed section. The massive hemorrhaging, boiling of the blood, and shock of the pressure shift would result in instantaneous, and quite possibly painless, death. As compared to a more gradual but still rapid pressure change, it's not a bad way to go.

As for OP's question; it's all a matter of variables. At great depths, small hull breaches can result in a catastrophic hull failure, and likely almost instant death for all aboard. Those sorts of depths aren't really the operating range for military submarines (SSNs, SSBNs, etc.) For those the real danger comes from flooding, although hull collapse is still a very real threat, especially once the vessel impacts the ocean floor. Keep in mind that much of the ocean is deeper than where subs are designed to operate, so a sinking vessel would inevitably pass into a depth that would cause a collapse.

In short, you'd be better off dying instantly in a hull implosion than either drowning or suffocating in an airtight chamber a'la Kursk.
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>>33904091

What the fuck are you talking about? Our subs are one of the few functioning parts of our military.
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>>33902432
>be rolex marketing exec
>need to find a way to market new diving watch
>everyone else makes watches you can take a gorillion leagues under the sea
>pay dive tender a shit ton of money, convince him nothing bad will happen to him
>accident happens
>pay a now PTSD ridden clean-up diver money to spread rumor about the rolex while out drinking
Now that's what I call guerilla marketing
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>>33904476
9 Atmospheres is 132 lbs per square inch of pressure. That's more than enough to vaporize a fleshy watery meat sack like us. The average human has 22 square feet of skin or 3168 square inches. So say the air is only pushing on half of that because its going one way. That's 11 square feet of exposed body or 1584 square inches of surface. 1584 square inches times 132 lbs/in gives 209,088 POUNDS pushing against half of your body as the air rushes past you.

You would absolutely get exploded and or forced through ANY opening if you were close enough to it. Pressure is no joke.
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Military submarines spend most of their time at or near the surface, they don't dive deep like research submersibles or saturation divers do.

Your chance of escape is probably not that good, but it's not guaranteed death like being in a pressure chamber suddenly being opened or something.
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>>33904463
>>33904490
Yes, we have the margins of safety, but this goes beyond them. Let's look at the maths:

36% mixture, at max depth of 30m:
0.36 * 4 = 1.44 bar ppO2

36% mixture, at max depth of 60m:
0.36 * 7 = 2.52 bar ppO2

Oxygen toxicity in the average person sets in above 1.6 bar.

The max depth for 36% oxygen is 30m with a few metres of margin, not double.
This isn't pushing the margins, this is plain idiocy.
This is the diving equivalent of pointing your weapon in anything but the safe direction while carrying out your unload drills.
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>>33904476
It wasn't the pressure differential, it was the blowout force extruding him through the hatch like pic related that did it.
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>>33902425
>Well you're not really dying of implosion so much as you're being dragged through a one inch opening.

It can be much less than 1".

Obligatory crab video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMHwri8TtNE
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>>33904595
Poor crab. He didn't know.
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>>33904595
>>33904600

crabmind
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>>33904527

True but tons of them are ancient and it looks like every time the navy says they are going to build 30 ships they end up building 3 and it somehow cost just as much as 30.

>>33904559

That's true but people have survived being blown out of an airplane and falling two miles with no parachute.

Humans are actually hard to kill. Most the time when someone tries to kill themselves or another person it doesn't work.

>>33904595

Oh, good point.

Yea, that would wreck anyone without X-Men superpowers.

I bet that would be a good way to deal with Wolverine, actually....

Trick him into getting inside a pressure chamber trap that fills to like 10 atmospheres in seconds, then blow him out through a gap so small his adamantine skeleton would be left behind.

Even if he reassembled he wouldn't be the same without his claws and skeleton.
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>>33903548
Sure Rus.
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>>33904595
braapp pfft
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>>33904339
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>>33902179
Think some of the newer suits are good to about 5-600ft, but your chances of getting to one and then actually getting out of the fucked sub that's being blown up are extremely low.

>>33902863
I did some basic scuba qualifications when I was in the army, also did a joy ride on a sub for a few weeks.
Basically- avoid subs, stay away from clearance divers because they're fucked in the head, normal boats in all shapes and sizes are also terrible things and never volunteer for anything. Make them chase you, they'll think you're playing hard to get
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>>33904582

Its true but the depth is calculated from AVERAGES.

For example, there are people that can hold their breath 5-10 minutes. David Blaine held his breath like an hour IIRC unless he cheated.

Then there are people that can't hold their breath 30 seconds.

So its still possible he can do it. Because AVERAGES =/= individual ability.
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>>33904800
No clearly the best way to dispose of Wolverine it to throw him into a volcano with an adamantium anchor, causing all his flesh to be melted away as he regenerates for the next million years in unbearable pain.
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>>33902179
Very Low but I still think it could depend on a few factors.

Depth, Training and Equipment

For Depth it has to be at least a pressure that most experienced divers have dealt with in training. Training being how well one can swim in those conditions and lastly whether their is even diving gear capable of allowing you to resurface.

This is also assuming the water isn't freezing, aquatic wildlife isn't wanting to kill you, unknown debris doesn't crash on top of you, etc etc.
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>>33904050
This it?
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>>33905276
Was planning on going underwater EOD, but now I'm not sure. I know that explosions underwater are far more dangerous because the wave will travel further and will retain energy better.
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>>33905891
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>>33904476
I work with high pressure vessels (hydro testing them for pressure rating) it can be really scary shit.
Seen a 3 ton piece of gear jump 30ft up, knock a crane off its rails, have it land back on the floor with a rather loud bang, followed by the crane landing on top of it.
Thankfully no one was in the way of all that, and it wasn't me doing the test.
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>>33905906
What the fuck

What the fucking fuck

Is that even a person?
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>>33905971
I found a larger version and it looks like it's just the damaged reactor itself
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>>33905894
I'm sort of familiar with some of the training they do, aside from the basics of using breathing systems, dive safety and all that stuff its quite a technical role. Lot of foundations in mechanical engineering, electronics, some signals stuff and of course, blowing shit up. Then throw in some combat training on top of all that

Course, the quality depends on which navy, but generally they're regarded as some of the most qualified personnel in most navies
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>>33905980
I was about to say (or rather I did) even with the camera quality and any body deterioration taken into account, that doesn't look like a human body at all.
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>>33905986
looking closer I can't even see anything organic looking. Reverse image search it and look at the largest image.
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>>33904143
Never thought getting narc' ed was dangerous per se but kinda like arguing that drink driving isn't dangerous.

Also I'll freely admit to not being certified for the jargon you use, didn't even google it to be honest.

My limited knowledge of enriched air diving says that the deeper you go with nitrox the more open you are to oxygen poisoning, which is dangerous.

In terms I'll understand please enlighten me why this may not be the case.

I know that safety tolerances for published saturation tables are large.

I also know different people's bodies absorb gases at different rates.

Are you just pushing the safety limit or am I missing something with nitrox.

Apologies for lateness in reply but dealing with a motorcycle breakdown in Belgium.
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>>33904567
Yeah, nuclear attack subs spend loads of time on the surface, moron.
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>>33905568
>Unless he cheated
It was a trick, of course he didn't hold it for an hour dipshit.
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>>33902384
>Those videos of the sounds they make underwater when they do that.
Literally shit your pants audio.
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>>33905841

I'm not sure how strong his regeneration is...

If you destroy all his cells how would he regenerate? He wouldn't be in pain long because he clearly can become unconscious.

In one comic he got ripped apart and eaten. He regenerated and his body parts came together within hours or something.

If you cut him in half and separated the halves would they generate two wolverines with half adamantium skeletons and half human skeletons?

What about a cell, or a finger? How far does the regeneration go?

Are the limits explained anywhere?
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>>33905980

Anyone got the larger version and story?

What the fuck is that pic?
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>>33906277
>>33906277
He can die of drowning, or destruction of his brain.
But good luck getting to that noggin walnut.
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>>33906206

I figured that, but I have never seen anyone prove it was just another magic trick. Has it been debunked?

IIRC it wasn't portrayed as a magic trick, it was done in a more serious and real tone which means if he advertised it as reality and not magic...

That'd make him a scam artist wouldn't it?
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>>33906288

I thought that his brain regenerates but he loses his memory to some extent.

As for drowning I guess his cells would hibernate and regenerate once conditions changed.
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>>33906311
This Is Now A Wolverine thread
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>>33906311
Charles explained it in a comic once.
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>>33904800
Nah, kill Wolverine by just drowning him. Nothing to regenerate, just a suffocated brain and death.
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>>33906341
My bub
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>>33906311
He doesn't need oxygen then?
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>>33903557
I can't even tell up from down when i wake up in the middle of the night.
There's a good chance i'd swim back into the sub thinking i'm going up.
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>>33902179
Plebs,submarine escape suits exist.
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>>33906303
how thick are you
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is this the one of the impaled guy
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>>33902432
Thats because of something called helium escape valve.
They were developed for Comex and are in use since.
>http://forums.watchuseek.com/f23/what-rolex-comex-221092.html
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>>33906853
forgot picture.
These are also very valuable watches,funny because they were sold for $200/piece to the company.
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>>33906814

I'm naive enough to think I can tell when someone is trying to portray reality instead of magic ESPECIALLY when they say its real.


Maybe one day I'll get a time machine and abduct Mr Blaine and repeat what I saw on TV. I'll be generous and tell him I'll only keep him underwater for 30 minutes.

Then I'll know if he was lying or not.

There's being a magician and letting everyone know its a trick, then there's being a scam artist.

Oh and FUCK YOU, YOU PIECE OF SHIT TIME TRAVELLERS THAT BASICALLY MAKE ME LIVE THE TRUMAN SHOW.

I try to admit when I'm bullshitting in case someone is not on the same page as me.

You assholes need a life, don't feed off mine without letting me know you're doing this shit.

/rant

Future people fuck with me sometimes.
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>>33906441

Hey our bodies are amazing and water is 33.333...% oxygen. 1/3rd of H2O is OXYGEN.
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>>33906867
I think you guys are talking about when he did 17 minutes underwater using pure oxygen and practice lung packing techniques

shit aint magic, just discipline. which to me is magic.
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MY BAD it was 17 minutes Blaine held his breath.

With intense training I guess its possible.
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>>33904353
Man that idea just fucked me up good, he died would die just like instantly, totally unaware one second and dead the next. And then the horrible aftermath, really makes you wonder what happens when you die
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>>33906834
I'm interested if it is, it's sure not easy to make out quite what it is, where did you find it
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>>33906941
there is a bunch of pictures of it here:
http://www.radiationworks.com/photos/sl1reactor2.htm

but none of them are obviously of a guy impaled to the ceiling
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>>33906950
Yea from the sound of it the picture has up and vanished and finding it is pretty far out of my skill set
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>>33903164
You're a fucking idiot. I feel sorry for your diving buddy.
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>>33903656
>A sub acts as a bubble - the water wont' rush in, the air will hold it out
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depends on depth and whether you can get to an escape trunk.

Water temperature is another factor: in Arctic waters you can only survive for a few minutes before your muscles seize up and like 15 minutes before you freeze to death

submariners are pretty hardcore though. Apparently when Seawolf(the liquid metal Seawolf not the Jimmy Carter was smarter Seawolf) got trapped in the seabed during a wiretap mission the crew were prepared to set scuttling charges
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>>33906287
See >>33902559

Funny enough my grandfather was one of the guys to go in and get the injured and dead out of the reactor. SL-1 was a continuation of Project Iceworm where they tried to use reactors to power missile bases in the ice of Greenland.
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>>33906287

>some idiot pulls out the control rod all the way
>instant criticality
>water around the core flashes to steam
>this sends the remaining water rocketing to the top of the reactor vessel like a giant water hammer
>force of the water hitting the top of the vessel dislodges the control rods impaling fuccboi
>entire reactor vessel jumps 15 feet into the air
>everyone catches enough hard radiation to kill them several times over

that pic is the fuel rods and fuel cladding in a big mangled pile(no pun intended) inside the vessel
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>>33906441
Go breathe it.
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>>33904353
depends how long the brain can stay active, what if it's minutes of thought after your organs are forced out of your torso...
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>>33907599
the brain doesn't stay active after it gets blown from your skull and out the bottom of your head.
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>>33909157
prove it
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>>33909186
I'll take an fMRI of you while 40 litres of air is dumped into the top of your skull.

Of course, I can't present the analysis of the results if it was me, so I hope your strong feelings on this matter are strong enough to be meaningful.
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>>33905906
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>>33902521
Holy fucking shit, that sounds like human confetti...
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>>33907599
with such sudden and intense trauma he probably felt a short disruption and pressure and nothing else
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>>33909404
OP's pic is very much related. Yup.
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>>33905971
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1

That's a pic from wikipedia. It's just the damaged reactor core
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>>33904595
>>33904600
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>>33903164
>Bait
Its basically impossible to get any significant narcosis on nitrox due to O2 partial pressure limit is reached before you can get deep enough to feel the effects of nitrogen narcosis. On regular compreesed air most people dont start feeling any effects until 120-130ft. But with Nitrox you are replacing enough nitrogen with oxygen to void those effects until much deeper. and on a 32% nitrox blend your partial pressure limit of 1.6 is only 130ft, so you would risk oxygen toxicity limit before nitrogen narcosis would kick in. Fuck off anon.
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>>33907509
rumor has it that the guy's wife was having an affair with another one of the scientsts and called him a few minutes before he blew that shit up and told him she wanted a divorce
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>>33910527
>women: not even once
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>>33903148
>there are still living crew on board
Damn, they really packed a lot of food on those subs.
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>>33902179
>what are your odds of getting out alive realistically

Basically zero.
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Not Reading this shit anymore. ABANDON THREAD
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>>33902829
>mfw I think I know which photo you're talking about it

I saw a long time ago too, it was part of a set of photos that they took during the investigation right?

There are other photos from that set out there but you just can't find any of Legg impaled through the ceiling
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>>33902559
>At 9:17 p.m., a health physicist arrived. He and a fireman, both wearing air tanks and masks with positive pressure in the mask to force out any potential contaminants, approached the reactor building stairs. Their detectors read 25 röntgens per hour (R/hr) as they started up the stairs, and they withdrew.

>Some minutes later, a health physics response team arrived with radiation meters capable of measuring gamma radiation up to 500 R/hr—and full-body protective clothing.

>They entered the reactor building around 10:45 pm and found two mutilated men soaked with water: one clearly dead (Byrnes), the other moving slightly (McKinley) and moaning. With one entry per person and a 1-minute limit, a team of 5 men with stretchers recovered the operator who was still breathing around 10:50; he did not regain consciousness and died of his head injury at about 11 p.m. Even stripped, his body was so contaminated that it was emitting about 500 R/hr. Meanwhile, the third man was discovered about 10:38 p.m., impaled to the ceiling

>The bodies of all three were buried in lead-lined caskets sealed with concrete and placed in metal vaults with a concrete cover. Some highly radioactive body parts were buried in the Idaho desert as radioactive waste. Army Specialist Richard Leroy McKinley is buried in section 31 of Arlington National Cemetery.
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>>33910711
>being buried in a lead coffin and entombed in concrete
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>>33910711

ive read this before a while ago but jesus fucking christ
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>>33910711
>>33910829
>The third man was discovered last because he was pinned to the ceiling above the reactor by a shield plug and not easily recognizable. On January 9, in relays of two at a time, a team of ten men, allowed no more than 65 seconds exposure each, used sharp hooks on the end of long poles to pull Legg's body free of the shield plug, dropping it onto a 5-by-20-foot (1.5 by 6.1 m) stretcher attached to a crane.
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>>33906277
I would assume he still needs oxygen and calories to survive

right?

so yes a volcano should kill him pretty easy
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>>33910711
>500 R/hr
Holy shit
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>>33910829
Incidents like these were our evening reading after radiation lectures when I was in army. Nightmares were common after few lectures, tho bio-war was truly nightmare vision 25/7.
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>>33910920

>tfw literally scraped off the ceiling and dropped into a bag

>>33910976

>bio-war/chem-war (VX etc)
>nopenopenope.avi
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>>33909359
That's not the SL-1, that's BORAX I. RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>33904800
>being blown out of an airplane and falling two miles with no parachute
https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf
Well for a start, that's less than a third of pressure difference (or half, depends which way you look at it) which is a bit different from the 9 atmospheres to 1. Also depends on how big the hole they went through was, since that'll not only lower the speed of pressure change (slightly) but prevent the poor bastards from suffering from 'toothpaste from a tube' syndrome.

As for the falling part, I can only mention the way cats stop themselves from dying by spreading their bodies out to slow down with friction. There's probably a study or two on that for humans.
Don't forget, people regularly use buildings and gravity to kill themselves on purpose.
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>>33911043
>VX
Its not actually that dangerous we have been over this million times.
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>>33910660
post some photos from the set
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>>33911043
Oh yeah chem war vids were bad too, very few things are as spooky as your own body killing itself with muscle contractions. VX is good (even if most versions of it suck as weapon) because it kills you kind of fast, some chemicals do not kill you fast and oh boy that sucks.
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>>33911091
>Its not actually that dangerous we have been over this million times.

do not trust this poster, he is a canister of VX gas
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>>33911171
Search for NBC in the archives.
There were multiple threads on this with documents.
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>>33911215
>VX isn't bad guys
>Kills you in minutes in a horrible and agonizing way

It is time to stop posting, Assad.
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>>33911393
Well every nerve agent does that,Ive seen my neighbor poisoning my cats with a nerve agent I know what it can do.
So whatever Im just wanted to clear things out.
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>>33911444
>Clear things out
Literally?
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>>33902179
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=03a_1437401113

Why this shit does not work?
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>>33911393
VX is shit as weapon (except Russian variant) outside buildings or places like football stadiums, there are chem weapons that are far more efficient than VX. Not questioning its lethality tho.

Inside buildings it is godlike against soft targets.
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>>33903443

Yeah but the feel of a comfy fleece under a dry suit in freezing cold water is really nice, I find.

Plus it freaks out visitors when I leave oxygen bottles lying around the flat. Their first guess is never 'dive enthusiast'.
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>This entire fucking thread

WELL I DIDN'T NEED TO SLEEP ANYWAY.
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>>33911515
>Not questioning its lethality tho
And yet you still replied.
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>>33911515
Can you expand on this anon both on why VX isn't good outside or what the Russian verison does to make it better?
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>>33902179
>Coward, Lucas, and Bergersen were exposed to the effects of explosive decompression and died in the positions indicated by the diagram. Subsequent investigation by forensic pathologists determined Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the 60 centimetres (24 in) in diameter opening created by the jammed interior trunk door by escaping air and violently dismembered, including bisection of the thoracoabdominal cavity which further resulted in expulsion of all internal organs of the chest and abdomen except the trachea and a section of small intestine and of the thoracic spine and projecting them some distance, one section later being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door.[5]
FUCK that
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>>33911585
Eh you can just google it if you want more; it disperses too fast and is kind of slow to deploy. Russian version has increased staying power and it can be found in ditches and potholes even days after gassing.

>>33911560
Yes
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>>33904800
Nah just leave him on the moon
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>>33911627
It's gruesome for us to see, yeah, but he was probably dead in less than a second. I doubt he suffered much.
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>>33902384
Shooting yourself would be much MUCH slower.
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>>33911733
Yeah, but what if he did?
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Submariner here.

Chances of survival: near 0.

Level of safety in a wartime scenario relative to a surface ship: overall safer due to our level of stealth, but if we take a hit we're basically fucked.
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>>33911774
They found his organs 30 feet away from the rest of his body so obviously it was pretty fucking violent. If it makes you feel better, you're more likely to die alone in a nursing home over the course of like a month with nothing to do other than see your family a few times when they visit for an hour and contemplate your impending demise, so we can all feel lucky about that.
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>>33902559
Jesus fucking christ, that's awful.
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>>33911148
>VX is good (even if most versions of it suck as weapon) because it kills you kind of fast, some chemicals do not kill you fast and oh boy that sucks.

"Some have their eyes and faces entirely eaten away by gas and their bodies covered with first degree burns"
"One boy today, screaming to die, the entire top layer of his skin burnt from face and body. I gave him an injection of morphine. He was wheeled out just before I came on duty" - VAD nurse S. Millard(one of the first hand accounts in the book Death's Men: Soldiers of the Great War)

>watch documentary about the largest British millitary hospital in ww1 and the role of Voluntary Aid Detachment(VAD) nurses
>ww2 VAD nurse interviewed talks about having to comfort and hold the hand of teenagers younger than her baby brother as they died in agony

I wasn't ready for those fucking feels
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>>33910711
>Even stripped, his body was so contaminated that it was emitting about 500 R/hr. Meanwhile, the third man was discovered about 10:38 p.m., impaled to the ceiling
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>>33902179

>ctrl-f USS Tang
>no results

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Tang_(SS-306)

At 02:30 on the morning of 25 October, the 24th and last torpedo (a Mark 18 electric torpedo) was fired. It broached and curved to the left in a circular run. Tang fishtailed under emergency power to clear the turning circle of the torpedo, but it struck her abreast the after torpedo room approximately 20 seconds after it was fired.[DANFS 1] The explosion was violent, and men as far forward as the control room received broken limbs. The ship went down by the stern with the after three compartments flooded.

The submarine bottomed at 180 ft (55 m) and the thirty[23] survivors crowded into the forward torpedo room as the aft compartments flooded, intending to use the forward escape trunk.[23] Publications were burned, and all assembled in the forward room to escape. The escape was delayed by a Japanese patrol which dropped depth charges, and started an electrical fire in the forward battery. Beginning at 6:00 AM on 25 October, using the Momsen Lung, "the only known case" where it was used,[23] thirteen men escaped from the forward torpedo room.[25] By the time the last had exited, the heat from the battery fire was so intense, paint on the bulkhead was scorching, melting, and running down.[26] Of the 13 men who escaped from the forward torpedo room, only five were rescued.[25][27] One sailor who was near the group of five but injured during the ascent was not rescued.[28] Three who were on the bridge were rescued after swimming for 8 hours.[25] Another survivor escaped the conning tower and used his pants as a flotation device.[25] A total of 78 men were lost.[29]

Nine survivors, including O'Kane, were picked up the next morning by Japanese frigate CD-34.

>Crew of 87
>30 survive the torpedo and flooding
>14 escape from the sub
>9 survive to be rescued
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>>33902559
And this is why you don't let young, uneducated, army techs operate a reactor. These are things best left to older physicists and graduate students.
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There is a reason why you volunteer once for the Navy and volunteer again for submarine duty.

I pretty much accepted a watery grave if we get hit by anything bigger than a slingshot.
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>>33902559
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1
>One of the shield plugs on top of the reactor vessel impaled the third man through his groin and exited his shoulder, pinning him to the ceiling

>Legg (the shift supervisor) was standing on top of the reactor vessel and was impaled and pinned to the ceiling,
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>>33913896
It's like FTL, but with more subs and less cloning machines.
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>>33906262

Any examples?
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>>33911521
>animeposter discouraging discussion & acting cancerous
wow who could've guessed
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https://youtu.be/LEY3fN4N3D8
Not the same thing, but the results are the same
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>>33914907
Read this thread and all the shit that happened then watch that video where they are laughing and cheering.

>super uncomfortable
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>>33910711
this is one of the few times where a open casket funeral is literally impossible, unless you want all of the mourners to get cancer.
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>>33903148
Heh. Was gonna post a Kursk joke.
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>>33903656

This person is a retard.

Lets put it this way, you have enough force from the water pressure compressing the air in the submarine, and the oxygen and whatever is flammable (Oils, fuel, cloth, people) will ignite with it.

You are now aware of what it feels like to be gasoline in your cars cylinder chamber.
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>>33911148
Hmmm, what you're sort of forgetting is that there's a lethal dose and then there's all the 'not lethal but you're fucked anyway' doses which cause severe injuries, permanently disable and generally wreck your shit.
Oh and then there's the 'stuff' left after.
Basically all the the really rapetacular chem weapons degrade over time, sometimes days, weeks, months etc- but people forget that in the process of degrading, they're reverting back to the equivalent of a Breaking Bad meth lab at best, all the way through to a Frankenstein Fun time where its doing damage to people so they have all these fucked up, mutant kids, cancers, weird blood diseases and other shit.

They don't really pop off into unicorn farts and water, they kick around for a while.
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>>33903656
um duh the air will come out of the hole and rise to the surface and the water will rush in
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>>33913896
>Another survivor escaped the conning tower and used his pants as a flotation device
Hardcore
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>ITT Submariners and divers horrify /k/ with the wonders of physics
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>>33902425
Actually, his arms were ejected from his body and all his blood misted BEFORE getting stuffed through the door.
Fun facts!
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>>33902829
This?
There aren't any public photos of him hanging from the ceiling by his gooch. Believe me, I've looked everywhere for them.
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>>33909359
That's BORAX, which was melted intentionally.
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>>33910527
Lolno. The control rods were flaking apart, which made them tend to stick. SL-1 also had one giant control rod that was large enough to make the others not really matter. A few months before the meltdown, something similar happened where the big control rod got stuck, somebody tried pulling it out, and it came out super far. One of the guys manning the reactor watched the guy pulling on the rod (benis :DDD) and threw a wrench at him just in time for him to drop it and keep a meltdown from happening. After the reactor went tits into the stratosphere and it was revealed that the army knew of the problem with the rods, a bunch of rumors were spread about Mr. Rodgroin being gay, his wife cheating, or one of the other guys kicking him in the nuts while he pulled the rod out, since the army was pretty embarrassed about the whole thing.
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>>33910711
>Died of his head injury
MORE FUN FACTS:
He was the first transracial person in the army, since his skin was BLACKED from a combination of burns and radiation poisoning. His eyes were crushed into his skull from the pressure of the reactor exploding, and he was otherwise all fucked up from reactor/shield bits flying around and smashing him into the wall. He died about an hour and a half later in the back of an ambulance that had to be abandoned with his body in it, since his body made the whole ambulance dangerously radioactive.
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>>33919012
Brutal
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>>33918939
yea i looked for that picture for hours. even dug up the accident and autopsy reports and shit and there wasn't a pic of it in there. best i could find was a drawing of it
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>>33903441
Look at the left hand in pic related and tell me that's not a watch.
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>>33919028
Meltdowns not even once.
Thinking of radiation tans reminded me of a fun time at Chernobyl's #4 Reactor.
>Chernobyl accident happens
>Reactor instruments + gigantic bang indicate that the reactor is no more
>Guy (forget his exact job but he should have known better) tells a few of the reactor operators to go check out the reactor room to see what happened
>They go, one guy holds the door for them as they walk out into reactor room
>Is now reactor patio + Nuclear BBQ pit
>Report back that the reactor has been explosively converted from water cooled to air cooled
>Guy who sent them out: Cyka blyat you're wrong
>Sends another group to do the same thing because he refuses to believe that he just blew up a reactor
>Same thing
>By now other people have come past and told him that the reactor is gone
Moscow:
>What's going on down there?
Reactor guy:
>A bit of a fire reactor's still there trust me dude please don't look
>Guy holding door gets near fatal radiation sickness
>Guys who walked through door all die a few days later because one guy was in denial
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>>33902432

It's just a legend.

He was wearing a Submariner but it exploded. You can see pieces of it on the table in OP.
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>>33919006
What the fuck does the army need a nuclear reactor for anyway? Land-ships?
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>>33905971
Look at the chalk outline in the lower left.
That's the reactor.
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>>33919158
Learning about optimising the technology was probably the biggest reason at the time, since the military have always been the ones with all the kit for it (especially so nowadays, since they'll be even more paranoid about letting it fall into 'the wrong hands').
Loads of relatively common tech advances have come from military studies simply because they were the ones with enough money and permission to get it working. After a bunch of accidents, usually.
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>>33905276
Fuckin MXC!!! Awesome show
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>>33919006
>threw a wrench at him just in time for him to drop it
Heh, reminded me of a time I was up in Darwin getting one of my trucks fixed. Being there wasn't much else to do, figured I'd chill out, catch up on some paperwork under a nearby tree and make sure the motor monkeys didn't fuck it up.
So they've got the truck up on a lift and running around replacing bearings, one of the junior mechanics leans on the lift switch to lower it, 3 guys underneath are preparing to meet their maker. He can't hear shit because headphones be how he rolls, one of the Sgt's just picks up this fucking coil pack the size of beer can and smashes the guy clean off the lift leaver from across the garage.
Some of the funniest shit I ever saw

>>33919067
Soviet nuclear related disasters are kind of always that "wut? wasn't me, is no problem, shh secret!"
The whole Techa River fuck up is basically just this rolling series of fucking stupid things, one after the other. Not surprisingly, they just kept fucking it up and it's actually worse than Chernobyl in some ways just for the sheer amount of crap and how many people got cooked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techa_River
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>>33919067
>the reactor has been explosively converted from water cooled to air cooled

...yeah, that's probably on top of the list of things you NEVER want to hear when working at a NPP.

>>33919158
50's and early 60'S were the whacky times of the NUCLEAR FUTURE. Tac-nukes EVERYWHERE and the Army was seriously thinking about nuclear-propelled tanks.
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>>33904091
nigger, some things need service more than replacement. As long as the reactor, comms equipment, torpedo bays, etc. are working fine, why replace these subs especially with larger ones? I agree taxpayers get fleeced by MIC and by government workers both, but that's a result of living in a corrupt as fuck country which people think is still like USA circa 1950 or whatever. It's not. Get used to it - we're basically Brazil now.
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>>33919270
I love soviet nuclear disasters. At this point, I think their northern fleet can count as one ongoing disaster.
One of my favorites:
>Refueling a sub reactor
>Refueling crane has a bar to prevent the reactor lid from being lifted too far
>Nuclear gas station attendant begins to pull the top off the reactor
>Bar isn't set at right height
>Control rods come out and the reactor, which is now missing its cover and exposed to the air
>Reactor reacts
>Steam explosion, fuel rods launched out of reactor, fueling building roof blown off, pressure hull and surrounding bulkheads destroyed, fuel everywhere, bits of fueling shed light shipyard on fire
>CYKA BLYAT
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>>33919343
Their naval disasters are just as incredible

There's a screencap somewhere of how post WW2 they attacked a few british fishing trawlers and narrowly avoided getting destroyed by the Royal navy, followed by some outstanding faiures in training exercises.

If anyone has that please please please post it
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>>33919424
Ask and ye shall receive anon
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>>33919440
Thank ye anon

Have loli
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>>33919424
Wasn't WW2, I think it was WW1. That, or a war before WW1.

The whole journey of the fleet was a fuckup. Identify bong fishing boats as enemy ships, manage to damage their own ships with their own guns. Almost got sunk by the entire Royal Navy fleet, multiple ships break down on the journey. Land on some island for months, most of the crew die from diseases on the tropical deathtrap. OC decides to set up a training ex which goes poorly, a fucking SNAKE lodges itself in a gun barrel, resluting in one of the ships being unable to fire, not a SINGLE ship hit their target, and the crew nearly mutiny.

russian navy, not even once
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>>33919343
That's sort of a 'Just Russian Things" which they do because basically seatbelts, following instructions or giving a fuck isn't really a priority and if you stick your nose in there it gets real personal, real quick.
>Best Soviet wife's cousin is driving us around St Petes
>See the sights, it'll be great
>Put on seatbelt
>He looks at me like I've just taken a shit in the car
>You don't trust my driving? Have I done something truly terrible to you? Why you put on seatbelt?
This goes on for some time and it goes on for some time after we get back to Auntie's place, we drink, I get sick of his shit (and after asking permission) savagely kick his arse all over the backyard. After that though, we're all good and got along fine. That's sort of my theory on some people, they only really respond to a severe beating. You can't explain it, talk about it, write it down, use sign language- just a fucking punch in the head.
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>>33919343
>>33919424
Ever read the story of their nuclear icebreaker Lenin? It had TWO meltdowns.

During the second meltdown (in 1967), they had a coolant loss inside the reactor, which was completely encased in concrete shielding. To fix the leak they had sailors break through the concrete shielding with sledgehammers. After they got in, they realized they couldn't fix the damage they'd just done. Whole ship had to be gutted.

The ship stayed in operation until the late 80s.
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>>33919343
>>33919440
>>33919477
>>33919539
Jesus fucking christ

Why can't the Russians into navy at all?
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>>33906797
*pokes with needle*
Heh better try next time
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>>33919572
>>33919539
Don't forget how they had a problem with their submarine crews not knowing how to read or write Russian.
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>>33919539
This post is 100% nightmare fuel.
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>>33919539

>During the second meltdown
>which was completely encased in concrete shielding
>To fix the leak they had sailors break through the concrete shielding with sledgehammers.
>After they got in, they realized they couldn't fix the damage they'd just done.
>The ship stayed in operation until the late 80s.

I have never been so suprised by so few sentences anon. How the fuck was the whole Soviet navy brass not executed after so many fuck ups?
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>>33919960
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin_(1957_icebreaker)#Nuclear_accidents

I literally once had a nightmare about this. I was a Russian sailor that couldn't speak Russian. They handed me a sledgehammer and pointed at the reactor.
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>>33919539
>To fix the leak they had sailors break through the concrete shielding with sledgehammers.

It's strange to think that they had to do all that just because of a leaking pipe. Did the reactor design allow for no repairs or what?
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>>33920029
Wikipedia's source says this:
>The second accident aboard the Lenin took place in 1967, when the pipe system of the third circuit sprung a leak following the loading of fresh nuclear fuel. In this instance it was necessary to open the biological shield of the reactor compartment in order to locate the leakage. This protection was made of concrete mixed with metal shavings and it required the use of sledgehammers to break through the shield.This led to further damage of the reactor installation. Upon later examination, it became clear that it would be impossible to repair the damage incurred to the reactor installation by the sledghammers.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121213115552/http://www.bellona.org:80/english_import_area/international/russia/civilian_nuclear_vessels/icebreakers/30131
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>>33919539
>It was decided to remove the fuel, control grid, and control rods as a unit for disposal; they were placed in a special cask, solidified, stored for two years, and dumped in Tsivolki Bay (near the Novaya Zemlya archipelago) in 1967.

...they just stuck it in some cans, threw it into the bay.
I have no face
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>>33920106
Kind of puts Fukushima in perspective, doesn't it?
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>>33920106
>Novaya Zemlya
i guess they droped the bomb on it to make sure it was gone. like fighting fire with fire.
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>>33920106
You should check out the "submarine graveyards" where the russians stored all the subs they couldn't afford to keep running after the cold war ended. Many still have radioactive elements in them.
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>>33920220
You know, Russia is pretty amazing, I'm far from a greeny or anything but Russia really makes me question nuclear power, if they are #2 in the nuclear game... and they fuck up that bad, and now Indian has a nuclear sub....
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Delta P is fucked up.
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>>33920220
That would be a cool place to explore. You know, with a lead radiation suit...
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>>33907599
without oxygenated blood to your head you will pass out within 5-8 seconds and die within a few minutes. This is not factoring in the fact that he was sucked through a tiny hole and likely had his brain slushed and squashed out of his asshole along with all of his organs.
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>>33920220
that empty tower.
even the god damn guards dont want to be there.
you think they chuckle when they see thiefs that dont get the message jump the fence?
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>>33914620
I understand that reference
>his clone "stumbles out the the clone bay with a new-found respect for flames"

Black comedy gold
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>>33920305
I can't help but think of a naval themed STALKER game now. Creeping through abandoned soviet submarine bases to recover documents or diving to the bottom of the ocean to recover artifacts from a sunken sub would be pretty spooky.
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>This photograph shows the a truck carrying the radioactive corpse of a reactor operator from the SL-1 accident. The operator was impaled in the ceiling of the structure by a control rod. Once his body was freed from the control rod, it was caught in a special truck-mounted sling, then transferred to this truck. The extremely radioactive body is inside lead blocks stacked on the end of the truck to minimize the truck driver's radiation exposure.
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>>33919440
God damn it I'm having to monitor two threads on two boards to check what's been posted
>>>/vg/176394783
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>>33902179
you see how the hull telescoped? there is no surviving this. Death is instant when the boat implodes. Just the sudden pressure increase will kill you. Los Angles class boats only have two water tight compartments. The forward half, and the engine room. If either is compromised by a torpedo, it's game over. The guys in the other half just can wait until implosion or it rests on the bottom. Less that 200 feet depth, escape via escape trunk and Stienke hood (It's like the Momsen Lung). Or wait for DSRV.
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>>33922479
File to make it simpler
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>>33913896

Worth noting that Tang was on the surface when she hit herself, and sunk in fairly shallow water.

Only five actually survived escape from the forward torpedo room.
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>>33913896
total munitions fuck up. you can't even set a m18 too turn 360 degrees for obvious reasons
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>>33918919
1000 ways to die doesn't count as scientific evidence.
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>>33922482
do you at least have fucking suicide pistols aboard?
fuck that shit, man. I'd blow my brains out with a flaregun before getting sausage-ified by explosive decompression
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>>33902577
but the air inside of the sub is at 1atm, and i would imagine you would have held your breath before the water came in
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>>33920660
Hey on a lighter note, the guys in the subs didn't have to deal with giant spiders in the vents. Then again, they're Russian...
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>>33922703
>total munitions fuck up

summarizes American torpedo development during WW2
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>>33902615
Some real fucking Dead Space shit
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>>33902559
>On January 3, 1961, the reactor was being prepared for restart after a shutdown of eleven days over the holidays. Maintenance procedures required that the main central control rod be manually withdrawn a few inches to reconnect it to its drive mechanism. At 9:01 p.m., this rod was suddenly withdrawn too far, causing SL-1 to go prompt critical instantly. In four milliseconds, the heat generated by the resulting enormous power excursion caused water surrounding the core to begin to explosively vaporize. The water vapor caused a pressure wave to strike the top of the reactor vessel, causing water and steam to spray from the top of the vessel. This extreme form of water hammer propelled control rods, shield plugs, and the entire reactor vessel upward. A later investigation concluded that the 26,000-pound (12,000 kg) vessel had jumped 9 feet 1 inch (2.77 m) and the upper control rod drive mechanisms had struck the ceiling of the reactor building prior to settling back into its original location. The spray of water and steam knocked two operators onto the floor, killing one and severely injuring another. One of the shield plugs on top of the reactor vessel impaled the third man through his groin and exited his shoulder, pinning him to the ceiling. The victims were Army Specialists John A. Byrnes (age 27) and Richard Leroy McKinley (age 22), and Navy Seabee Construction Electrician First Class (CE1) Richard C. Legg (age 26). It was later established that Byrnes (the reactor operator) had lifted the rod and caused the excursion, Legg (the shift supervisor) was standing on top of the reactor vessel and was impaled and pinned to the ceiling, and McKinley, the trainee who stood nearby, was later found alive by rescuers. All three men succumbed to injuries from physical trauma; however, the radiation from the nuclear excursion would have given the men no chance of survival even if they had not been killed by the explosion stemming from the criticality accident.
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>>33903164
>nitrox
>200 feet
Wanna know how I know you're full of shit?
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>>33902521
I wish there was some explicit diagram or GCI animation to describe this.

Not because of some sick fixation or something (and saying that on /k/ sure sounds weird) but because I really can't wrap my head around how that would go.
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>>33922984
Violently
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>>33923021
Yeah well, thanks for the help.
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>>33922482
i have no idea what im looking at here, are those waffle protrusions from the hull imploding?
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>>33922984
Probably went
"WOOSHBANGSPALATSPLATSPLATSPLAT"
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>>33919477
Russo-Japanese war. The russians deployed their baltic fleet to reinforce their fleet out of port arthur in the far east and on their way across the north fucking sea mistook several british fishing vessels for the imperial japanese navy and opened fire.

The russians thought the japs may have snuck warships halfway across the goddamn world to ambush them.

At least they thought this and didn't think they'd entered the sea of japan out of the baltic.
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>>33922984
>guy tries to shut a partially opened door (2ft gap)
>pressure difference pushes him through said gap almost instantly
>meat through a grinder.gif
>so powerful they were finding parts of him 30m away

Imagine air escaping from a balloon but with blood and guts.
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>>33922057
>The extremely radioactive body is inside lead blocks stacked on the end of the truck to minimize the truck driver's radiation exposure.
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>>33922703
>>33922874
Mark 14 pre- and during WW2 = the LCS today
Mark 14 mid-1944 and on = anti-jap explosive metal dildo
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>>33919067
>Report back that the reactor has been explosively converted from water cooled to air cooled
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>>33919067
>>Report back that the reactor has been explosively converted from water cooled to air cooled
my entire sides
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>>33910527
reminds me of

>a memoir book by a Soviet forensic pathologist who practiced between 1960's and 1980's
>curious cases put in a sardonic way
>a MiG-29 test pilot learns his wife wants a divorce
>gains normal altitude
>exceeds it
>control tells him to return to normal altitude
>"Understood. Returning to the specified altitude".
>runs the plane straight into the ground at full speed
>his remains fit in a 0.5 liter jar

and other stuff like
>a helicopter crashing in the far north with a native guide
> who offers pilots rotten meat natives traditionally eat
>the crew falls ill and dies
>since natives eat this meat from childhood and build up an immunity to toxins
>zoophilia like pig's corkscrew penis vs. farm girl's tight ass, some colonel's kid being too horny and getting his dick stuck in a dog
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>>33911171
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>>33923083
That's the tail section of the USS Scorpion, the waffle protrusions are the structural components of the tailfins forced into relief by the intense pressure on the skin.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Scorpion_(SSN-589)
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>>33922984
>https://youtu.be/AMHwri8TtNE
like this
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>>33919067
>fast times at Chernobyl Heights
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>>33923445
But whats in the canister?
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>playlist begins playing Uranium Fever

no wonder i had a fear of radiation as a child
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>>33922888
>the radiation from the nuclear excursion would have given the men no chance of survival even if they had not been killed by the explosion

This is the most definite definition of 'fucked' I've ever heard. Like holy shit someone had some horrible luck.
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>>33919539
Didn't Peter The Great almost had a nuclear meltdown at about 10 yrs ago?
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>>33919539
>break through the concrete shielding with sledgehammers. After they got in, they realized they couldn't fix the damage they'd just done. Whole ship had to be gutted.
jesus christ what the fuck
what about the other meltdown?
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>>33919440
One day I still wanna find out what exactly was happening at the Kamchatka.
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>>33920014
>I was a Russian sailor that couldn't speak Russian
Then you're not fucking russian, idiot.
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>>33923480
oh thank you, makes more sense looking at it right side up
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>>33923911
It was dream, calm your tits.
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mfw there's probably dozens of other horrible naval and nuclear disasters we don't know about because shit's classified or there were no survivors to describe what happened
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>>33923969
>Implying you need survivors to know what happened for the most part
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>>33904091
Sub crews aren't more valuable than the sub, so systems and programs such as SubSafe concentrate on saving both.

Humans have sentimental value but the premise of war is some lives may be expended.
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>>33923911
See:
>>33919941

It's not a huge stretch.
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>>33923969
The Brazilian Navy literally lost a submarine after it sank while docked, in late 2000. It was the Tonelero S-21, no one but their dignity died at the sinking.
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>>33923911
i would guess this is because of the low literacy rate in the early 20th century
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>>33919290
Subs like any metal structure age, and so does everything within them. Old obsolete tech may be better replaced along with the hull. Observers see a hull and think that's most of the weapon system.
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>>33922482
Look at that fucking dorsal!

That's steel plate but it crushed so severely it looks like the fabric skin on a WWI aircraft tail.

Welder here and holee jeebus that's impressive.
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>>33925069
notice the ridge right in front of it. The entire ass is telescoped ~10ft into the hull.
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>>33922482
I am morbidly curious what a body looks like under that much pressure.
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>>33922816

If you have that mentality you don't go on a sub in the first place.

That said in most cases where you'd want to an hero, the signals won't reach your brain before you're body is flash boiled and compressed back into a solid paste like you're some Arctic Silver on a heatsink.
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>>33925099
>>33925069
50 feet, actually.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Scorpion_(SSN-589)
Towards the end of the Disappearance section
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>>33925109
It's not that interesting. The body is mostly fluid filled, which distributes pressure well when you're submerged, which is why dropping weights on your chest can break your ribs, but submersing your whole body to 7 bar (~100psi) is fine.
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>>33918939
>There aren't any public photos of him hanging from the ceiling by his gooch. Believe me, I've looked everywhere for them.
If it's not Legg, then what exactly is it?
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>>33910594
They're meant to stay underwater for months or even years at a time. It's like a supermarket full of beans and acidic spaghetti sauce.
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>>33925303
some random fucked up bit of machinery?
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>>33919525
>You can't explain it, talk about it, write it down, use sign language- just a fucking punch in the head.
it's the only thing Russians understand
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>>33911585
Russian gasses are always better. Like their sleepy gas that that makes nap time go forever
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>>33919158
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>>33919270
Fucking Darwin.
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>>33902384
The change in pressure would knock you out before any damage even occurs, suck-starting your rifle would be worse.
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>>33920126
It angers me quite a bit, though for real 'fuck it' behaviour, there was the Sverdlovsk anthrax leak... which funnily enough is just around the other den of idiocy Kyshtym
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlovsk_anthrax_leak
That is legit scary shit, really scary shit happened down on the Aral sea facility as well where a haemorrhagic strain of smallpox got out

>>33920220
Nope! My last command gig was messing around with NBC and bombs, I really have no desire to ever have anything to do with it again

>>33920374
Stealing radioactive material can be...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident
...well, lets just say it ends up about as fucking retarded as you think it will.
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>>33926387
>On September 16, Alves succeeded in puncturing the capsule's aperture window with a screwdriver, allowing him to see a deep blue light coming from the tiny opening he had created

Jesus Christ
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>>33926468
This bit always gets me-
>That night, Devair Alves Ferreira (the owner of the scrapyard) noticed the blue glow from the punctured capsule. Thinking the capsule's contents were valuable or even supernatural, he immediately brought it into his house. Over the next three days, he invited friends and family to view the strange glowing substance

Hey come over and look at my magic shit!
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>>33926491
But wait, it gets better!
>The day before the sale to the second scrapyard, on September 24, Ivo, Devair's brother, successfully scraped some additional dust out of the source and took it to his house a short distance away. There he spread some of it on the concrete floor. His six-year-old daughter, Leide das Neves Ferreira, later ate a sandwich while sitting on this floor. She was also fascinated by the blue glow of the powder, applying it to her body and showing it off to her mother.
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>>33926508
>Thinking it was perhaps a type of gunpowder, he tried to light it

fucking huehue
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>>33926491
>On September 18, Alves sold the items to a nearby scrapyard. That night, Devair Alves Ferreira (the owner of the scrapyard) noticed the blue glow from the punctured capsule. Thinking the capsule's contents were valuable or even supernatural, he immediately brought it into his house. Over the next three days, he invited friends and family to view the strange glowing substance.
>ferreira's friends succeeded in freeing several rice-sized grains of the glowing material from the capsule using a screwdriver. Alves Ferreira began to share some of them
>The day before the sale to the second scrapyard, on September 24, Ivo, Devair's brother, successfully scraped some additional dust out of the source and took it to his house a short distance away. There he spread some of it on the concrete floor. His six-year-old daughter, Leide das Neves Ferreira, later ate a sandwich while sitting on this floor. She was also fascinated by the blue glow of the powder, applying it to her body and showing it off to her mother. Dust from the powder fell on the sandwich she was consuming; she eventually absorbed 1.0 GBq and received a total dose of 6.0 Gy, more than a fatal dose even with treatment
> When an international team arrived to treat her, she was discovered confined to an isolated room in the hospital because the hospital staff were afraid to go near her

>more than a fatal dose even with treatment
>hospital staff were afraid to go near her

mfw

Holy shit, any more stories like this? Nuclear shenanigans just keep on giving.
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>>33902384
But you would go to hell for all eternity if you actually kill yourself
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>>33926552
Only similar one off the top of my head was the Nuclear Mexican that ended up with about 6000 pellets of Cobalt 60
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/05/01/science/nuclear-spill-at-juarez-looms-as-one-of-worst.html

He ends up with this shit all through his truck, him and all over the roads he drove on. Truck gets scrapped (still full of Co-60) and turned into recycled steel.. which in turn ends up in tables, chairs, tools and houses.
They ended up scrapping about 100 houses due to them being full of radioactive steel.
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>>33902179

>If you're a submariner, and your submarine is on the verge of being destroyed underwater, what are your odds of getting out alive realistically?

Just shoot yourself out the torpedo tube, its not rocket science.
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Hisashi Ouchi's chromosomes, shattered like glass in the Tokaimura nuclear accident
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>>33902179
Depending on how deep it is, the air in the cabin compresses so rapidly that it ignites. That includes the air in your lungs . You pretty much vaporize
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>>33926745
>On September 30th, 1999, in an act that would later be described as "elementary-school stupidity", Hisashi Ouchi poured several gallons of high-purity enriched uranium oxide in to a stainless steel bucket containing uranyl nitrate. Ouchi immediately saw a flash of blue light emanating from the container. It was the most beautiful and also the most terrifying thing he had ever seen. Ouchi immediately felt nauseous. He vomited in to the tank and lost consciousness in a matter of seconds. His co-worker Masato Shinohara managed to run three paces before losing consciousness as alarms at the Tokaimura nuclear facility sounded.

>When doctors received the two patients in Tokyo they were not yet aware of the extent of damage incurred. A look at Ouchi's chromosomes revealed that they had been shattered like glass. The white blood cell count of both patients was zero. Their skin began to slough off of their bodies. Ouchi's intestines began to melt, so doctors put a camera in his rectum to monitor their condition. His muscular tissue broke down to the point where it began to slide off of his bones.

>Both patients soon lost their ability to speak, and were asked to communicate in writing with doctors. As their physical deterioration began to accelerate, so did their mental state. On the verge of death, one of the final statements written by Masato Shinohara: "Mommy, please". Ouchi died 82 days after exposure of multiple organ failure in a condition that can be described as "skeletonized".
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>>33926856
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>>33926011
The US has always held the upper hand when it comes to logistics; it's no surprise that the Ruskies forgot to order the wakeup gas along with it.
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And here I was considering going for a radiology masters.

Looks like I'll save time and money with a bachelor of accident forensics
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>>33926856
You've sort of got to wonder who's at fault, either they don't train people properly or they employ fucking duds that dunno what they're doing.

Civi shenanigans with chemistry and radiological shit you can sort of understand, not everyone knows what it is... but when the guys working there dunno what it is, just fucking stupid
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>>33926387
>buy stolen nuclear material from Brazilian bandits
>let it sit around in your scrap yard while people fuck with it
>Irradiate and kill four people in the process
>Get exposed to 7 Gy of radiation
>Die five years later from drinking too much

my fucking hero
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>>33926930
>>33926951
>all those visible bones
Here's what I don't understand... Why keep them alive? Why prolong their suffering when you know they'll die soon anyway? It's not even something like cancer, where a person can still, you know, LIVE before they inevitably die. Just double the dose of morphine and let it end, for the love of god.
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>>33926951
Sounds like it was a massive fuckup with safety and operational protocols. Essentially, the simply poured the wrong juice into the wrong tank.

My old man work in the processing plant at a uranium mine, and if they took even the slightest shortcut, getting fired would have been the least of their worries. On the other hand, if you follow instructions, it's safer than having an xray. They even gave his phone back after he dropped it in a uranium processing tank.
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>>33913896
You really need to check your maths or your figures. They just don't add up son
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>>33926973
Because now we know a lot more about what severe radiation exposure does to living tissue
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>>33926973
Time enough for everyone working there to go visit Ouchi
"Now, here's what happens when you fuck up"

Sure there's a pun in there with someone called Ouchi. But I ain't really feeling it
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>>33917519
More like diesel in an engine

but the pressure that you'd need would be intense like in an engine sort of compression 220+ bar

and the pressure change would need to be exceedingly quick. Like the movement of a piston kinda quick.

And the environment would have to be an ideal fuel air mix. Kind of like in an engine.
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>>33926552
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticality_accident
Any of these. Someone fucked up and unshielded nuclear fission began near them.
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>>33927055
Actually that's not fair, some of those are caused by the gross negligence of parties other than the ones affected.
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>>33923134
Hang on a minute.
I know the dolphin decompression dismemberment debacle was because of loads of shit tier thinking but...

...does this mean that they had a pressurised vessel on which the door opened outward?
Or did I miss something
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>>33927326
No, it was a sliding door I think. If it opened either in or outward, the door would've shut/slammed open due to the pressure.
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>>33927326
The larger rooms had been heavily pressurised (I'm guessing for the divers to slowly recover from a deep dive)

The door just hadn't been closed before the guys outside detached the dive bell (at the red line) so everything rushed out the half-closed door.
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>>33923418
>pig's corkscrew penis vs. farm girl's tight ass
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>>3392750
Sliding door. Ah.

The shutting and sealing effect if pressure is no equalised was what I was getting at.

I can't think of a situation where they would need lower than atmospheric pressure in the environment so why not an inwardly opening door. Anyone?
Might have saved a few lives
Anyhow whatever
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>>33926387
>If the wind had been blowing the other direction, hundreds of thousands of people could have been infected
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>>33927508
But a simple inwards door would act like a valve and simply shut. The mincemeat guy might still have died but the others maybe not.
Also has th he benefit of not being able to be physically opened if pressure is not equalised.
Seems obvious but I'm no barometricologist n shit
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>>33927676
I do understand your line of thinking. but the force of the air rushing out would actually hold the door open.

if you have a well sealed house, and you blast the ac in a closed room, if you open the door, then try to close it again, you'll be able to feel the air pushing itself out through the gap.
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>>33927746
I can understand why you think that but no.

The wind you are feeling is just the pressure difference.

What you are not feeling is the pressure applying force to the door. That pressure would shut the door fast.

A simply demonstration is canal lock gates. Same principle.
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>>33926552
There was a pretty metal one in Japan back in 1997
I'm sure to mess up a few details, but here goes:
>Research reactor needs to have fuel mixed in a giant metal vat
>Doing this requires water, plutonium, and some other fun stuff to be mixed together in a huge vat
>Three guys making a batch of fuel
>One holding a ladder, one a few feet away at a desk, and one leaning over the top of the vat pouring fuel in
>A bit too much plutonium gets in, and the big vat o' fuel goes critical
>Ozone, blue flash, all the fun criticality stuff
>Guy leaning over the reacting fuel goo gets many times the fatal dose of radiation
>Guy holding the ladder gets slightly less (still fatal)
>Guy at desk gets a high but nonfatal dose
>Big vat of fuel is now reacting and has to be drained
>Fuel guys taken to the hospital
>The guy who leaned over the fuel vat is kept alive for slightly under 3 months as his body dissolves around him
>skin sliding off
>Bone marrow wrekt
>DNA totally destroyed
>Fug :DDD
There's one picture of some guy blown up in an acid vat explosion that people claim is him, but the only pictures I've been able to find are of his face after a few days, and his back covered in failed skin grafts.
Russian version coming in next post.
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>>33928263
Stolen straight from the Darwin awards. This was one of the stories that got me reading about nuclear accidents.

(10 December 1968, Russia) While reading about nuclear accidents, a physicist found this Darwin Award. Mayak is a nuclear fuel processing center in central Russia that was experimenting with plutonium purification techniques. The report states that they were using "an unfavorable geometry vessel in an improvised operation as a temporary vessel for storing plutonium organic solution." In other words, they were pouring liquid plutonium into unsafe equipment.

Keep an eye on the shift supervisor.

"It was noticed that the solution was a combination of organic and aqueous solution [gunk in the tank.] Two operators [instructed by the shift supervisor] used an improvised setup to decant the dark brown [concentrated plutonium] organic solution. The shift supervisor then left to tend to other duties. During the second filling of the bottle, a mixture of aqueous and organic solution was drawn in. As a result, the operators stopped filling the bottle."

One asked the shift supervisor for further instructions. He was told to continue decanting the solution. This operator "poured it into the 60 L vessel for a second time. After [most] of the solution had been poured out, the operator saw a flash of light, and felt a pulse of heat. Startled, the operator dropped the bottle, ran down the stairs, and from the room."

The plutonium was too concentrated, and he had accidentally started a nuclear chain reaction! The alarms sounded, and everyone evacuated. So far, no fatal errors. But a second criticality happens while everyone is safely underground. Here's where it gets good.
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>>33928277

"The shift supervisor insisted that the radiation control supervisor permit him to enter the work area. The radiation control supervisor resisted, but finally accompanied the shift supervisor back into the building. As they approached the basement room where the accident had occurred, the radiation levels continued to rise. The radiation control supervisor prohibited the shift supervisor from proceeding. In spite of the prohibition, the shift supervisor deceived the radiation control supervisor and entered the room."

So, with things more or less under control, the shift supervisor tricks the radiation control supervisor and goes into the room full of plutonium.

His "subsequent actions were not observed by anyone. However, there was evidence that he attempted to pour [the plutonium] into a floor drain. His actions caused a third excursion, larger than the first two, activating the alarm system in both buildings."

The shift supervisor proceeded to set off an even bigger nuclear chain reaction!

"The shift supervisor, covered in plutonium organic solution, immediately returned to the underground tunnel. He died about one month after the accident," having received four times the fatal dose of radiation. Everyone else survived.

Even if the shift supervisor had lived, he would still qualify for a Darwin Award. That much radiation causes sterility.
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>Be soviet physicist working on a particle accelerator
>Something in the particle accelerator requires attention
>Open it up and start looking around inside
MEANWHILE
>Be other soviet physicist
>Need to accelerate some particles
>Start up particle accelerator with other guy's head in it
>Guy's head gets hit by accelerated particles
>Think he's going to die
>Half his face is paralyzed and his hair falls out where the beam penetrated him
>Otherwise fine
>Cyka blyat
Safety takes seconds, accidents take hairlines.
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Somebody else posted this once, and there's some funny accidents if you wade through all the normal stuff.

https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/
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>>33926979

>crew of 88

my bad

>approximately 30 survive the torpedo

Estimates vary between 20 to 45 survivors made it to the forward torpedo room and battery compartment, however there were many casualties from the impact of the torpedo, and later smoke inhalation from the fire in the forward battery compartment.

14 men (13 from the forward torpedo room, 1 from the conning tower) ultimately escape the sunken submarine, 9 others escape simply by being above deck when the torpedo strikes.

>9 officers on the bridge while the sub is on the surface
>1 escapes from inside the conning tower

Of these, four survive after treading water for 8 hours.

>13 leave boat via the escape trunk in the forward torpedo room
>8 of these men reach the surface

Of these, five survive to be rescued. The others either didn't survive the ascent to the surface, died from injuries sustained in the wreck, or simply became lost and were never picked up by the Japanese.

AFAIK this is from the official damage report >>33922621
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>>33928351
Or the IJN rescued 9 of them and machine-gunned/ran over the others
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>>33928367

No
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>>33927055
>The nuclear fuel processing center in central Russia was experimenting with plutonium purification techniques. Two operators were using an "unfavorable geometry vessel in an improvised and unapproved operation as a temporary vessel for storing plutonium organic solution"; in other words, the operators were decanting plutonium solutions into the wrong type -- more importantly, shape -- of container. After most of the solution had been poured out, there was a flash of light and heat. "Startled, the operator dropped the bottle, ran down the stairs, and from the room." After the complex had been evacuated, the shift supervisor and radiation control supervisor re-entered the building. The shift supervisor then deceived the radiation control supervisor and entered the room of the incident; this was followed by a large nuclear reaction that irradiated the shift supervisor with a fatal dose of radiation, possibly due to an attempt by the supervisor to pour the solution down a floor drain.

jesus christ russia
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>>33928501
> jesus christ russia

Jesus did try russia but saw all the gruesome deaths he'd have to beat and

just backed slowly down the steppes
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>>33928620
Can you imagine trying to heal Lazarovsky, who melted himself after 20Gy of exposure?
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>>33923418
Are there English copies? I've reverse searched and it is apparently The Stories of a Forensic Expert by Andrei Lomachinsky
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