In the U.S., is it still worth getting a sound suppressor despite

If you think 30 decibels isn't alot you don't now jack shit about how decibels are measured

>>33901700
this

just make one illegally OP no one cares

>>33901700

FPBP

>>33901680
With regards to the Hearing Protection Act, yes. The bill contains a provision that refunds the tax stamp on any purchases made after something like Oct 2015 or so. Also, that decibel difference is enough to prevent permanent hearing loss in the event you shoot in your house in an HD scenario.

>>33901680
The suppressor bill is still on the path to becoming law, is it not?

>>33901761
No, it will probably die in committee

>>33901705
nice try, ATF

>>33901680
A lot of people seem to think so.

>>33901700
Depends on where those 30 fall, at the softer side that's nothing.

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>>33901680
Yes

>>33901821

I assume it's on the louder side considering we're talking about guns

>>33901821
Anything above 100db can instantly harm your hearing, and guns often float way above 150.

That being said, 30dp drop is significant, and with sub-sonic ammo, you obviously instantly fall to safe levels.

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>>33901680
Just shot mine for the first time today, 15 quick rounds after work at a lil piece of steel - they are cool as fuck I wish I'd gotten one earlier.

Not much use for drills training, but hot damn ultimate plink mode and home defense mode activated.

>>33901680

I don't think I'll ever buy another .22 that isn't threaded or integrally suppressed unless it's special, collectable, or a revolver.

As soon as I'm gainfully employed and not in school anymore, I'm buying several.

>>33901680
What amazes me is the gun community is not more vocal about this. I would think you tubers would be all making a video every week extoling the virtues and safety benefit of silencers. Information on who to call to support the bill.

>>33901821
>Depends on where those 30 fall, at the softer side that's nothing.
but when you're talking firearms, you're looking at 140-190dB for most guns. slapping a suppressor on a gun that takes out 30dB of the report while running normal earpro can practically remove most risk for hearing damage while shooting

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>>33901705
his dog will care

>>33901761
dems will probably vote as a uniform nay because fuck drumpf, and GOP will probably be split on the subject because of petty bullshit

>>33901680
Are solvent traps illegal to own now? Do they count as constructive intent?

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>>33901761
Soon(TM)

It's still in committee. Call your congressmen. Now.

>>33902573
owning a solvent trap isn't illegal, and the atf probably doesn't give a shit if you own one while also owning a threaded barrel. but, if you modify your solvent trap to allow a bullet to pass through it, the atf will shoot your dog and your goat

>>33902627
>Call your congressmen. Now.
My congressmen aren't on said committee.

>>33902569
The NRA is fighting it tooth and nail, no doubt.

>>33901680
>only 30-40 decibel reduction
You can just admit that you're poor. No one cares, but don't try and justify it like this because it makes you look dumb.

>>33902970
I thought they'd actually endorsed it. The NRA is pretty responsive to their membership, especially when it's something that's overwhelmingly supported among gun owners.

>>33903004
The NRA doesn't give 2 shits about gun owner's rights. They didn't fight when Cali/Maryland/New York liberals were getting rid of all the gun rights in their states.

>>33903024
>NRA doesn't waste limited resources fighting losing battles in states that have blue super majorities
>implying it's even the NRAs purview to fight state level battles and not state associations
The NRA has 1/10th the funding of whichever org Bloomberg is using as a front for his statist agendas. I think that they spend it pretty well.

I don't know why you think people who don't even live in your state are responsible for fighting your battles.

>>33902970

Even companies like Ruger make and market suppressors now.

That alone should start to turn Elmer Fudd and Co at the NRA to support this shit.

>>33903083
>implying Lapierre cares at all about gun owners
That piece of shit only cares about money. Saying they are underfunded when he takes home a 7 figure salary is laughable. The NRA is the most funded firearm association in America. Their fucking job is to fight for us, no matter what state. They got a payout from the blue states.

>>33901680
Any cheap short 5.56 suppressors that only suppresses muzzle blast and flash?

I don't care much about decibel reduction, I only want comfy recoil and removed muzzle flash.

>>33903241
Surefire warden.

>>33903241
J-comp

>>33903198
>Saying they are underfunded
Where did I say that? I said they have less funding than their opponents you salty, illiterate bastard.

I'd rather they spend their money where it will do some good than waste it so cuck state faggots like yourself can feel like you're not forgotten.

is there a suppressor I can use on an AR and a Ruger Mk4?

When they release a Mk4 hunter with a threaded barrel, i'm getting it and a can.

>average 9 month wait on the cuckstamp
ugh, i might not even be at the same address then. should i even bother? i don't need my big green stamp going to the next denizen of this shithole

>>33901680
140 to 100 is a huge reduction in noise.
40 to 0, not so much.

>>33903258
Where did I say that?
>The NRA has 1/10th the funding
Right there. Did you forget you wrote that you fucking moron? I'm also in Arizona. You know, one of the most free states in America. Lapierre takes home over 3 million per year just from his salary with the NRA. He doesn't give a fuck about actually winning pro gun legislature. He promotes false hope so people keep giving him money and then does nothing. The nra is a joke. Donate to your local pro-gun politicians. It's money better spent.

>>33903381
40 is pretty much standard reduction for even high end rifle cans.

What's the smallest 9mm can around?

>>33903819
Probably a gemtech aurora, but it's wiped and basically a 1 time use item under current rules.

>>33903400
Is there anything better than destroying an anon so bad they don't even have a response? I don't think there is.

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>>33901680
No.

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>>33904589
They are fun as fuck, literally shot my first 15 rounds suppressed.

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>>33904620
Very cool, these PW USPs have been reported to be finicky, looks like the replacement barrel you got isn't so.

>>33904589
>>33904654
Back to /arg/ with you

>>33903198

the NRA only cares that big name american gun companies make money, and those companies generally don't make suppressors.

>>33901680
I'm waiting to see how the HPA turns out. If it passes, I have access to all the equipment I need to build my own for around $100 each. If it doesn't, then I'll get in the back of the line.

>>33902660
A bullet can pass through it as-is, just not as easily as the following bullets.

>>33904589
>>>/arg/

>>33904702
I'll correct you anon. Don't worry about it.
>the NRA only cares that big name american gun companies
It actually only cares about itself. The irony when you live in New York where guns are banned and the Nra tried to get their yearly neetbux out of you despite doing nothing. I have personally gotten 8 people to end their endorsement to the Nra. If you add myself it makes 9.

>>33904703
There are a bunch of reasons why this is dumb but I'm too drunk and tired to expound

Basically buy one now, get reimbursed for the stamp cost IF the HPA passes. If it does then you go to your class III dealer and pick up your can

>>33904823
>get reimbursed for the stamp cost IF the HPA passes

is that a thing?

>>33904823
if it passes the market will explode and prices will be driven far downward (after a dry spell as stocks empty) because a silencer is extremely low tech

>>33904823
But if it DOES pass, I can make my own and save a ton of money. I'm not being overconfident, I have a lathe and a mill and make custom truck parts for a living.

>>33904912
Yeah but if the hpa goes through they would just wait you out. You would be lucky if you saw your $200 in 5 years.

>>33904926

yeah, and napa is gonna have to make a lot more fuel filters.

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>>33903267
Many 5.56 cans that are made to be easily cleaned by the user are advertised as being fine for .22lr, and the thread standards of new .22s and ARs is the same, 1/2 - 28. So you'll probably be able to find plenty that do that.

But, a suppressor that's only made for .22 can be a lot sleeker, less bulk and weight, than a 5.56 rated suppressor can be, which could be nice for a pistol.

>>33904965
Also so far literally every single user-serviceable/take-apart centerfire rifle can has a tendency to seize up and not actually be able to be taken apart (even with liberal application of quality anti-sieze compounds) after only a few dozen rounds through it while being substantially heavier than sealed cans of similar performance.

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>>33901680
I called the NFA Branch today. They are currently processing July 2016 submissions. How patient are you?

>>33903267
liberty mystic x
griffin optimus

>>33904957
If you really think that's the only way to build a suppressor at home you're an idiot.

>>33903946
So replacing wipes counts as manufacturing a suppressor or something? Please elaborate.

>>33903946
t. Doesn't know shit

Wipes are not illegal. I know you THINK they are because you read a post on TFB. But... Because you're a fucking idiot you misinterpreted what was written and now feel compelled to spread misinformation while feeling like you're not a useless fucking faggot. None of that is true. You love drinking gallons of squiggle milk and wipes are still legal for everyone other than one specific company selling them. Sorry, that's the real truth.
Show me in writing where wipes are illegal. I'll wait. Just kidding. You're literally not worth waiting for.

>>33905061
Under the current interpretation of the NFA, the end-user is not allowed to service a suppressor at all beyond routine cleaning. Not allowed to replace ANY part, even if it's not serial numbered/not considered the "actual suppressor", it has to be sent back to the manufacturer for parts replacement.

No manufacturer is willing to deal with the headache of receiving wiped suppressors for routine replacement of wipes and as such won't service them.

Leaving no legal way to replace the wipes, which are only good for a few dozen shots before they lose most of their effectiveness.

>>33904794
i spent the last 15 years wondering when i would finally donate, glad i never did.

>>33905087
Wrong.
KYS.

>>33904965
cumming.gif

>>33903400
> I said they have less funding than their opponents you salty, illiterate bastard.
You're illiterate.

>>33904539
No, I just left the thread you reddit tier faggot.

>>33905087
>ATF informally notifies Dead Air that they can't sell wipes freely.
>DA does the fucking right thing agrees to stop selling wipes and not push the issue so no written determination is made screwing over everyone with a wiped can
>this fucking mong now thinks all wipes are illegal
Wew fucking lad

>>33905019
fuck that hurts....

>>33902660
>>33902573
If you go to any of the websites that primarily sold solvent traps, you'll see they're all either removed from the product list or indefinitely unavailable. The ATF told these companies to stop selling solvent traps and parts for them because they considered them to be "silencer parts". I don't know how that effects solvent traps already in circulation but I lost all mine on a canoe trip so it doesn't matter anyway.

>>33905124
Anyone that has ever been on 4chan knows that you only leave a thread when you know you've lost the argument. Since you have no rebuttal to what I've said you have accepted that you lost. also
>playing the leddit card
consider yourself filtered.

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>>33905348
Go try nd add one to your cart and then screenshot it to show us they can still be ordered.

I'll wait.

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>>33905373
Pussy deleted his dumb ass comment

>>33905312
Or I'm just not going to bother arguing with a retard that doesn't understand how to prioritize limited resources.

>>33901700
FPBP

Tinnitus sucks, you don't need to worry about looking like an autistic spergelord when using suppressors at the range because people already know why.

>>33905407
>limited
Oh yeah, the NRA that 70% of gun owners donate to is underfunded. The NRA that most CCW instructors have to pay to be certified are underfunded. The NRA that pays more to their CEOs than in funding for gun legislature. It's obvious you're an NRA shill that has no argument besides
>muh underfunding
saged/hidden/reported

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>>33904965
Nice Marks. How many mags do you get through before reliability suffers?

>>33905019
>>33905292
11 months, that's average. It'll be great if they offer Form 4s on E-File.

>>33905082
>>33905166
>>33905108
Wipes have always been controlled suppressor components. KAC for example has never sold replacement wipes to their customers for that reason. It's only recently that the ATF decided to get uppity about end-users MANUFACTURING wipes, they consider it no different to manufacturing a baffle without an approved Form 1. Some manufacturers, like Dead Air have offered replacement wipes in the past and the ATF has turned the other cheek, but no more. Licensees are held to a higher standard than the rest of us as their products are public knowledge and it's easy for the ATF to enforce. We as consumers likely wouldn't be caught manufacturing replacement wipes, but that doesn't make it legal to do. It never has been, it's just unenforceable.

Please don't be condescending with misinformation.

>>33901759
>This
Suppressors are a must for home defense.

Dream HD gun would be a sub gun in .45ACP, with a chunky suppressor and a YUGE mag of subsonic.

>>33905727
http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/atf_letter66.txt
Burt on suicide watch.
Unless you have something in writing from the ATF that says otherwise? BTFO.

>>33906235
ATF letters mean nothing though - they can't be used as a defense in court, but the prosecution can use one as evidence.

>>33901705

do you get paid to shitpost online; got any jobs?

Just bought an Osprey 45 this morning! Guess I'll have a nice present sometime next year. Did I do good, /k/?

>>33901680
>In the U.S., is it still worth getting a sound suppressor despite the nearly year long wait, extra $200 on top of the base price, and usually only 30-40 decibel reduction?
In my opinion, no. It's an unnecessary toy. You don't NEED it, you just WANT it.

>>33901680
decibels measurements are exponential, so a reduction of 160 to 120 is way more than from 60 to 20.

>>33907290
they're not exponential, they're logarithmic

>>33901680
>nearly year long wait

Hahaha wut? Takes a few months max

>>33901680
>Needing a permit for a suppressor
Fucking burgers

>>33901680

Decibels is a logarithmic scale. The difference between 10 and 20 decibels is ten times less energy. Not a 100 percent increase (double) but literally 1000 percent. The difference between 10 and 30 decibels is 100 times. Literally, mathematically 10000 percent increase in energy.


30 decibels reduction is 1000 times less energy. That's a shitload.

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>>33904965
mah dick

>>33905306
My impression of that is that as long you don't do something stupid with the suppressor or commit a series of unrelated crimes you'll probably be fine. If you look at the news stories for people getting popped with unregistered suppressors they're either selling them, selling drugs, or committing an array of other felonies. Those are the guys the ATF is most concerned about in my opinion. Not that they wouldn't kick your down and shoot your dog if you post a video of it on facebook.

>>33901680
absolutely. You're a degenerate if you shoot anything unsuppressed.

Well, OK, I suppose it is acceptable to shoot your CCW without a can. Other than that, you're a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing troglodyte if you don't use one.

>>33907295
>they're not exponential, they're logarithmic
how long was it for you? when did you buy yours?

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>>33904654
>these PW USPs have been reported to be finicky

I saw that one guy was having stovepipes

I honestly expected a bunch of stove pipes - running sub NATO pressure subsonic rounds from her NIB.First 3 rounds were variations of stovepipes but it almost instantly cleared up.

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>>33901680
>ordered my first suppresor last week
>its gonna be a year wait

>>33907997
Just try to forget about it anon.

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>>33901680
>only 30-40
>only
wdhmbt

>>33907549
Bingo. Been making suppressors for my Airguns and rimfires for a few years, don't do anything criminal with them, just enjoy quiet plinking. The ATF or any other authority would have to be psychic or just amazingly lucky to even notice I exist. Selling them would be idiotic.

>>33904996
can't you just submerge your can in some solvent?

>>33901680
As an owner of three, yeah I think it's pretty worth it.

>>33907997
I think it's about 8 months right now. My first one took 14, my second took 7-8, my third took 8, but ATF and shop fucked up paperwork and it ended up being 13-14 months before I had it in my hand. It was approved for 6 months before I got it. Choose your NFA dealers right, kids!

>>33903241
>cheap short 5.56 suppressors that only suppresses muzzle blast and flash
>don't care much about decibel reduction

yeah, it's called a flash hider. If you're gonna buy a suppressor, don't go halfway. Either get one or don't.

They got used Gemtech TREK 556 suppressors for $269 + $200

http://summitgunbroker.com/trek-5-56-used-.html

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>>33908831
lol reported

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>>33909505
I would actually recommend getting a .308 can for 5.56. It will suppress at least as good, if not better, and you'll be able to use it for a lot more than just an AR. Downsides are they tend to be longer and heavier, but I don't think it's a deal breaker given the benefits. Just a recommendation, it's one of the best purchase decisions I made when getting into cans.

>>33903241
flash can

Just do it desu

Living in a country where I can buy cans over the counter.

"MUH FREEDOMS!"

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Sorry everyone.

Sorry.

>>33906235
>>33906449
The recent ATF wipe letter/suggestion specifically mentions the Bardwell letter you just linked:
>This morning, we were informally notified that the BATFE FTB does not share the opinion of the Bardwell letter regarding wipes not being silencer parts
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/03/foghorn/breaking-atf-re-classifies-silencer-wipes-baffles-may-make-old-designs-illegal/

So since they're constantly contradicting themselves, let's pretend that ATF letters don't really mean anything, the newest letter doesn't mean anything, and that the Bardwell letter itself doesn't mean anything either as it's not been tested in court. What are we left with?

We're left with two pieces. The Title 18 definition of a silencer, 18 U.S. Code § 921a Chapter 24:
>The terms “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts ... intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

And the ATF saying anything which reduces sound by more than 3 decibels is a silencer. I had a link to this bookmarked at the ATF FAQ but the they shuffled the website and now I can't find it. However, a quick search shows that you still will not find correct hollow Colt Commando type moderators for sale specifically because of this limitation.

By how much SPL does one wipe reduce sound? We have accurate data for that too, thanks to MAC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQDxl2-6RDo

132.8db average with fresh gel and wipe, 139.5db average with fresh gel and no wipe. Which is a difference of 6.7db, which is greater than 3db. Therefore, by two definitions, a wipe is a suppressor (component), and is illegal to manufacture without an approved Form 1 and a properly engraved serial number.

Like seriously, anon.

Sorry everyone.

>>33909733
the fuck are wipes?

>>33910052
a disc of neoprene that you put in the can.

you shoot through them and they improve suppression performance over the first few shots.

>>33910080
pretty neato, thanks anon

>>33906972
Merry Christmas! Assuming wait times drop after the July 2016 hump.
>They won't
So, uh, Happy Easter 2018. What a time to go hunt rabbits quietly.

>>33907295
You know they are processing July 2016 Form 4s right now?

Few months for a form 3? Sure, that's a reasonable statement. Must be nice being a dealer.

>>33910242
my stamp for >>33907843 cleared 4-14-17

I waited about 8-9 months and bought it via a NFA trust

what a fucking chore

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>>33906972
Love mine. Only down side is you notice walk off immediately but never having to clean the thing out weighs that. Also do your self a favor and carry around a few of these in your range bag. No need to pay SC $4.50 a piece for an o ring.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051Y1U0Y/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Who makes the best suppressors/silencers

>>33910436
Subjective as frig.

Sort by price. The ones in the middle are the best.

>>33910436
That depends on what you really want out of the can. If you're solely focused to dB reduction, SiCo does an excellent job with amazing CS and a fair warranty. If you need something with retard tier durability, the Surefire and KAC are pretty great, although they're not the quietest ones around. If you want "the best" QD mounting, then maybe Dead Air or KAC. There are so many supressor companies out there now, each with their own upsides and downsides, that you can really find one to suit your niche needs.

I have SiCo omega's and they're retard quiet when shooting subs, and the anchor brake makes the guns even more flat shooting than what they'd be with the can, which is great, but I'm
not going to pretend as if the ASR mounting system couldn't be improved