Did the war in Ukraine prove that any nation can go to war (and

what are you talking about?

Its more complex than that.

Russian soldier never put foot in ukraine.

>>33885475

It's a proxy war, same as Vietnam and Korea, just a proxy war for the 21st century.

>>33885498

Nah, they just sent Russia-only versions of tanks with no one to operate or maintain them.

>>33885475
What are western sanctions against russia for 200 dollars please.

Russia has gotten a very, very bad reputation diplomatically because of Ukraine...

>>33885763
I'm confused. Who shoots at each other then? People loyal to Russia and people loyal to Ukraine?

>>33885475
Russia sent some advisors and volunteers, but the majority of separatists are Ukrainians who speak Russian. Quite a few former Ukrainian Army troops defected too.

>>33885504
They sent some T-72B3s, but they're similar to to the T-72B in operation. The Rebels also captured lots of T-64BVs from Ukrainian depots too.

>>33885799
Russia supports the rebels with advisors and spec ops, but the majority of the rebels are Ukrainians.

>>33885799
No silly
Oligarkh forces grabbing other oligarkh property+soldiers+fanatics vs oligarkh mercenaries+fanatics
Ukrainian president sell weapons to DPR. Everyone except ordinary people benefits from this war. But who cares about ordinary people?

>>33885847
It's always been like that in history

It's always better to fight than be a civilian cuck

>>33885845
>>33885847

So now that a vague idea of who is known, how about the why.

>>33885853
But it's obvious that Russia has nothing to do here.
They simply don't benefit by sending armed forces to Ukraine as much as oligarkhs who fight for money Russians sell weapons to both sides but that's it.

>>33885863
The Ukrainian liberals overthrew the pro Russian government, they started bullying the Russian speakers.

Putin needed to teach them a lesson, I also think he will work up to taking all of the Ukraine.

>>33885874

the pro Russian government practically deposed itself when they sent SMS messages to everyone saying "you're arrested for being outside pls stay in place while we muster someone who gives enough of a fuck to go and detain you"

I think it's more like if you can kick everyone else ass on the playground nobody is going to bother you for bullying unless it's another bully.

>>33885799
basically it's all a ruse by ukrainians to get other ukrainians to kill eachother for reasons unknown

>>33885902
>for reasons unknown
Elite's money

>>33885884
His mistake was that he basically fucked up the Ukrainian army so he wouldn't have to worry about a coup.

If he kept it functioning he could have suppressed the protests.

>>33885763
KEEP POL ON POL

>>33885763
>>33885498

>"Volunteers"

Nobody believed that shit when it happened in Korea, how can people believe this now?

>>33885951
Because it's irrelevant

Russian Troops never constituted more than 2-5% of the Rebel Forces

>>33885951
They're russian but they're not regular soldiers they're mercenaries
They got paid for this ( 5k$ month in 2014 avg )

>>33885985
That's not true whatsoever

the majority of the rebels are ukrainians. Kiev is not as popular as the oligarchs tell you.

>>33885874

Except administrative district of Kiev has has a (pretty much guaranteed to be FSB-financed) daily demonstration since year 2014 and nobody has harassed them yet. What you are spouting is official Russian propaganda, which is used to recruit "volunteers".

Lot of the Russian volunteers get very upset when they found that out that the particular part of propaganda is total BS and they were swindled into volunteering with lies. But when that happens they are already in Donesk or Luhansk and no longer exactly just allowed to leave.

Info from OSCE officer who has been observing the situation in Ukraine since year 2014 on both sides of the front.

>>33885985
Damn, that's pretty good wages.

>>33885998

The nationalists have harassed them, and the Kiev government had already started implementing anti Russian linguistic laws. The new Ukrainian government is incompetent, and it's economy is in the toilet. That is the source of the disconnect, not the FSB.

Your second point has no truth to it whatsoever. Pro Russian Ukrainian Rebels are proud to be fighting for their linguistic and cultural identity. Their achievement in brushing aside the inferior Ukrainian army gave them real pride too.

The OSCE is a western puppet organization, I have relatives who fought in Donetsk hohol.

>>33885874
The rioters were in the right, the government deserved to be drop kicked

>>33885966

Arguing about the percentages if meaningless, but at least early the percentage of Russian military must have been really high. Another thing worth noting: Not all troops are actual combat troops, hence what actually matters in the composition of troops that do the actual fighting.

Consider following: Practical experience from various armies shows that training troops to such level that they can reliably do unit-level tactics takes several months. Yet "Novorussian" had units capable of such after less than six weeks after starting of the whole conflict. So where did the already existing units with similar training, unit cohesion and rehearsed unit-level tactics come from?

Another observation from OSCE officer.

>>33886038
The rioters should have been fired upon

they're idiot liberals and paid by the CIA

>>33886002
Well it's probably in Russian Rubles so...

>>33885996
Guess why there were no big battles in 2016? Mercenaries just don't receive their wages and khohols are too busy by fighting in inside war between oligarkhs and oligarkhs

>>33886045
Sure the early days, the VDV was pulling the weight. Especially in Crimea. However it wasn't that difficult to fashion a militia and train them with help from advisors.

You're forgetting the large amount of Ukrainian army troops who defected to Russia. Obviously the militias were built around former servicemen.

Plus there were ex-servicemen, dual citizens and veterans from Afghanistan and the Soviet era

>>33886054
Maybe, he used the symbol for dollars though.

>>33886054
like 300 k russian rubles

>>33886062
It's because Russia isn't trying to finish the job yet. The rebels are capable of holding against the Ukrainian army. I figured Russia might take Kiev after they're finished with Belarus.

They're waiting for a distraction

>>33886016

You really should start checking your sources - unless are being paid to post propaganda of course. Ukraine's language legislation is from year 2012 - hence it predates the conflict.

Useful idiots (Russian volunteers for ideology) might be proud especially early on, but lot of them seem to be less then happy when they find out what kind of lies propaganda machinery has fed them. This is not theory, but observation from actual discussions with Russian volunteers.

Lot of the locals have joined because nowadays soldier is basically the only profession available in Donesk and Luhansk. Industry in there (including Europe's biggest steel mill) has not produced anything since 2014 and basically all businesses (except some taverns etc) have closed. There is no bank system of any kind and only money is cash (Russian rubles). Estimated 80% of the population from Donesk (and probably from Luhansk) have left the area, but there are no official figures since the local administrations set up do not have interest or resources to actually take care of civilian population in any real manner. There is no school system or healthcare left and for example pensions have not been paid since starting of conflict. Maybe biggest miracle of the war is how the remaining civilian population have succeeded in staying alive this long. Another factor is that both sides were very "liberal" in their use of artillery (like Grad MLRS), hence A LOT of civilians have died on both sides of front, which in turn inspired their relatives to join. And then there are mercenaries, private armies etc.

OSCE is the only neutral organization that actually has people in Ukraine observing the events and most of the time capable of getting access to see things that are usually hidden for propaganda purposes.

Did you know once the airliner was shot down, the wallets of its passengers all disappeared for a couple of days and then re-appeared as a single large pile (minus cash and credit cards)?

Girkin admitted they never could muster enough local support, so most of the fighters in east Ukraine are volunteers sourced from Russian armed forces branches.

>>33886227
>Did you know once the airliner was shot down, the wallets of its passengers all disappeared for a couple of days and then re-appeared as a single large pile (minus cash and credit cards)?
Source?

>>33886285
>are volunteers
Mercenaries
DPR is ANCAP society
>they don't have any roads now
>Ukraine shelled them they shelled Ukraine
etc.
>Trading with Ukraine

>>33886301

OSCE officer that I have mentioned before. First they were not allowed to the crash site, then when they got there all bodies were missing wallets, few days later all wallets were found all in a one large pile on crash site.

Theory is that FSB/GRU/etc went through the wallets checking identity documents and somebody in the chain command also cleaned them from cash and credit cards before dumping them back to crash site. Needless to say this made identifying the bodies (combined with delay) quite challenging.

>>33885475
Daily reminder that frackers have done more to stop Putin than pretty much anybody else...

>>33885845
>The Rebels also captured lots of T-64BVs from Ukrainian depots too.

They never captured any depots. There are no depots in Donetsk region except Artemovsk armored reserve.

When the war started, Strelkov tried to capture it, but 3rd special forces regiment of Ukraine stopped him and never allowed anyone to enter base.

After Strelkov left Slovyansk, the Artemovsk base equipment was moved by Ukrainian side to Kharkov, where they started repairing it. Around 70 T-64BV, BTR-70/80s and other equipment were taken.

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Anyone who is still arguing about involvement of RuArmy in Ukraine in 2017 is legitimately retarded.

There WAS Russian army in Ukraine, it entered at 14 august, 2014 first. Near city of Krasniy Luch, where they clashed with 95th airborne and 30th mechanized brigades of Ukrainian armed forces.

After 14th august Russian forces were entering Ukraine constantly near Ilovaysk cauldron and Lugansk airport, near Novosvetlovka.

There were at least 4 battalion tactical groups in each sector. Including 6th tanks brigade equipped with T-72B3, Fighters from VDV divisions, 17 and 18th motor rifled brigades, 136th motor rifled brigade with T-90A tanks.


T-90A's were not used as frequently as T-72B3, only couple of times near Lugansk airport. Hence no damaged or destroyed ones were captured.

>>33886360

I'm not asking for much details, but are you involved with this situation more than just a "hobby" observer?

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Dumping some rare stuff. Fighters of Russian VDV division on BTR-D pass by near their BMD-2 which was destroyed in Ilovaysk cauldron

>>33886451

That's probably why in articles and video interviews with Girkin he blasts Russia for not providing enough support.

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>>33886473

Before..

>>33885475
Those are just terrorists, not real Russian soldiers. Just like ISIS isn't Saudi Arabian soldiers, and US soldiers aren't soldiers of Israel.

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:DDD

Trust (((us))) goyim, we are just rebels who looted Ukrainian (((depots))) :DDD

>>33886497

is wearing ACU?

just out of curiosity, did tornado battalion case get any coverage in western media? that was some fucked up shit

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247th airborne regiment of 7th division near Starobeshevo heading towards Ilovaysk. You can see destroyed Ukrainian BTR "Kushetka" which was left by retreating hohols.

>>33886045
you mean the 4 months of the militia driving around in cars and shooting up some ukarinians in towns while they tried to get their shit together?

the realy frontline fighting with tanks and large units realy started in autum, the fighting in summer was pretty chill and comfy except for a few downed planes.

Winter was a stalemate until the feb 2015 peace talks.

There was no realy unit level tactics in the first few months unless you count drive bys and granade lobing over rooftops as some form of sophisticated warfare.

obervation from someone who had nothing better to do in summer 2014 than watch every ukrainian video there was.

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>>33886533
>the realy frontline fighting with tanks and large units realy started in autum

No, Ukrainians used tanks and artillery to surround Slovyansk and were shelling it constantly. Strelkov had tanks in Slavyansk already, 3-4 T-64BVs, couple of BMP-2 and captured BMD-1/2.

> the fighting in summer was pretty chill

Fighting for Saur Mogila, Shakhtarsk, Izvarino and other places was NOT chill. It all happened in july and august.

>Autumn

By 30th september Ukrainian group in Ilovaysk was destroyed and front collapsed, nothing major happened in autumn except Russians driving Ukrainian side from frontline before minsk agreement.

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>>33886547

by 1 september 2014*
fixed myself

27-28 august it was collapsing already

>>33886508
Expand on this?

>>33886561

Tornado battalion was a gay volunteer force of Ukrainian side. They were using billiard balls and putting them in their own assholes.

They are accused of raping civilians in warzone and got sentenced for 11-12 years.

>>33886561
toddler rape

>>33886360
Proof?

Btw. Ukrainian side was planning to capture part of Crimea during Russian operation.

It was planned that 5 IL-76 planes would drop 2 battalions of 79th airborne brigade to Crimea, airport where they planned to land was not captured by Russians yet. There was Ukrainian local regiment.

After 79th landing (without equipment) it was planned that 79th would capture Crimean - Ukrainian border and 95th with equipment along remaining of 79th would enter Crimea.

They would set checkpoints on main roads, secure perimeter and wait for mechanized forces to come.

It was planned that 1th and 17th tanks brigades would arrive along with several mechanized battalions. They would encircle Simferopol and take it instantly, because Russia didn't have any mechanized units there back in 2014.

Its unclear if they planned to do anything about Sevastopol though, reports from UA general staff indicate that they wanted to leave Sevastopol to Russian side and only take Simferopol if possible.

The plan was ready and Ukrainian side was preparing jets already, they received stop signal when planes were almost taking off from Nikolayev.

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>>33886588

Ukrainian plan. Forgot to mention they also wanted to take control of Kerch crossing and Feodosia

This war kinda looked like the Yugoslavian battles. Was there ever any air support? Everything i've seen is just infantry, tanks, artillery.

>>33886599

There was air support, but Ukrainians stopped flying airforce after minsk-1. They used Su-25's near Ilovaysk 28th august where they lost one of them with number 08.

After 28 august and minsk-1 they tried to use UAAF only once in Debaltsevo, but didn't bother to, because cauldron was already ready

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So this is how modern UAAF looks like. I'm mentioning only active jets.

They have ~30 Su-25's and Su-25UB
~30 Su-27 and Su-27UB
~47 Mig-29 (9-13)/MU1 and 9-12 (UB)
~25 Su-24M and MR
~6 Il-76 in 25th transport aircraft brigade
~20 An-30 and An-26
~30+ Mi-24P and Mi-24PU1

They are still recovering all kinds of jets from storages, not sure how much they want to reach in total.

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>>33886461
>it entered at 14 august, 2014 first.
So, anyone who is still arguing about RuArmy occupying Donbass is retard. Because that proofs that Strelkov&Co began all that shit by themselves without Kremlin. RuArmy came after Ukrainians began to use ballistic Scads against populated areas.

>>33886626

Ukraine doesn't have Scud's, they were scrapped just like strategic aviation on USA orders.

Ukraine only has 9M79 Tochka-U and currently working on new ballistic missile system "Thunder-2" with 500km range.

Financed by Saudi Arabia for Saudis originally.

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Solid fuel rocket engine for Ukrainian-Saudi ballistic missile at Yuzhnoe constructor bureau

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>>33886500
Just dicking around through images it looks something akin to this

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This is how launcher will look. Just like Russian "Iskander" with 2 missiles on 1 launcher.

However, Ukrainian variant uses transport-launcher containers with mortar type starter.

>>33886645

Ah standard Ukrop uniform.

>>33886618

I'm sure they don't use them in combat because of all the AA Russia brought in.

One thing worse than bootlickers is gopnik and vatnik bootlickers
Fucking fuck off to your lovely third world poor shithole if you want to suck it off so much

>>33886634
Scud, Scarab, who cares. New Regime used a fucking ballistic missiles against populated areas, Ukrainians fucked shit up by themselves when they failed to beat a bunch of former conscripts supported by Russian crowdfunding.
Is it a world's first crowdfunded war?

>>33886667

I guess they plan to use them in case shit seriously hits the fan, otherwise they wouldn't bother with recovering that much jets and constant training of crews.

Of course they wouldn't be able to give stable air support and CAS, only episodically.

>>33886588
oh realy? That would have escaleted everything probably forcing a full scale russian invasion which would have been very very bad for the ukrainians. Might be Putin hoped they would do that, giving him a good reason to roll tanks into Kiev and set up Yanukovitsch as a president again.

>>33886681

Yeah, Russia can't invade fully now, but they could in 2014 when Ukrainian brigades had only 25-30% of people. It would be stupid to escalate things in Crimea with such army.

Russians would have reached Kiev from Kharkov side if Ukrainians went batshit on Crimea.

>>33886681
>oh realy?
No. It facebook fantasies about alternative universe where Ukraine did not fucked everything up, those forces existed not only on paper and where they all were loyal to new government.

>>33886689

I don't think Russia wants all of Ukraine. Just enough to be a pain in the backside to prevent them from joining EU/NATO

>>33886698

Russians want all of Ukraine, its too strategic for Russia. Well, maybe except Lviv and Zakarpatye region.

But they never risked to occupy all of it in 2014 and would certainly not risk full scale war with Ukraine in 2017. They want, but they can't do it for obvious reasons.

Which means Russia will just use Donbass to destabilize Ukraine and try to push them to corner on Russia's terms.


Its not so critical for Russia right now because even in 2017 Ukraine still provides them helicopter engines. Since march 2017 Ukraine sold Russia more than 200 TVZ-117 engines.

They are dealing via proxy (Belarus).

>>33886698
They wanted\needed Crimea. Everything else was a mistake. Too much propaganda and Strelkov with his goons began their crusade against evil-nazi-regime-that-will-defiantly-slaughter-all-Russians. And Kremlin found itself in his own trap. They can't support them because Europe/NATO will be furious and will do terrible things to Russian economy (that what happened). And they can't just leave them, because Russian population will be furious and will do terrible things to government. 3 millions of Russians in Crimea are economically justified. Everything else is not.

>>33886565
I thought you were trolling until I looked it up, they should all be shot as an example.

>>33886465

I'm living in a country that shares land border with Russia and involved with local military. We had the OSCE officer as guest speaker in an event few months back.

It is noteworthy that he never took any sides. Instead he just told quite openly what he had personally seen in Ukraine and answered questions.

It is known that nowadays Russian officials often see OSCE problematic, since its mere existence complicates things when it comes to arranging propaganda operations.

>>33886711
so if donbass did not happend do you think the western nations would have not imposed such harsh sanctions? And would have left crimea to the russians for promises to not start more shit.

I ealy don't get why Putin did not simply buy off crimea, it's not like ukraine will ever pay back those russian oil depts ever. They could have simply made a deal, you don't have to pay the depts and we get clay ok tavarisch?

>>33886579
If you want that confirmed, possibly:
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/reports

Or reports concerning shooting down of the airliner. I am telling what he told and have no particular interest spending hours going through all the reports.

>>33886734
>so if donbass did not happend do you think the western nations would have not imposed such harsh sanctions?
Sure. Russians had pretty solid legal basis about Kosovo and shit, there is >90% of Russian population in Crimea and trade balance between Russia and Europe was too big to sacrifice because of new Ukrainian government mistakes. Donbass turned more-or-less quite and peaceful thing into most intense war in region since fucking Yugoslavia.

>I ealy don't get why Putin did not simply buy off crimea
You're assuming that new Ukrainian government is adequate and working in best interests of Ukraine. It's not.

So what is the future? Will the after dusk shelling continue for more years and years?

>>33885475
Yep, but more importantly it showed that you should never give up your nukes

>>33886360
You weren't allowed into the crash site because it was in rebel controlled territory and the Ukrainian army was trying to use it as an excuse to reclaim the surrounding area.

>>33886762

Ukraine is not going to attack for next 4-5 years for sure. Meaning full scale attack. It depends on Russia now and their puppets, if they decide to attack.

There are elections in Russia coming, Putin would win support if DPR and LPR territory expanded and Ukrainians are defeated yet again. So they might try to attack

>>33886762
Nah. One day Ukraninans will go into all-out offensive and Russians will not help, because muh agreements and UN security council meetings. Usual talks about law, stability and shit, Russian project of resolution will be blocked and shit will be over for that republics.

>>33886734
>depts

Anyway, as much as Putin wanted Crimea, that wasn't his only objective here. The people of Ukraine had thrown out his puppet and made an attempt at actual democracy isntead. And we sure as fuck can't have that. On top of the mortal personal insult, it might give some Russians ideas as well about, you know, wanting to exchange fear, corruption and Putin for a free, functional society. So to show everyone that such notions only lead to grief and anguish for you, Ukraine under this new management must fail, and fail hard. To this end military pressure is applied until Ukraine collapses completely, accepts one of his pets as ruler, or most likely both. (I'm not so sure there was no intention of not going past Crimea originally. But even if there wasn't, occupying Crimea would show the weakness of this new democratic regime.)

Annexing Crimea also gave him a military victory to wave around back home and whip up some jingoistic support for himself with.

Buying off Crimea, assuming the Ukranians would have been willing to sell it (I have my doubts) would have missed out on all of this, and cost him the Ukrainian gas debts or whatever else the agreed price would have ended up being.

>>33886360
You should never make a theory about FSB/GRU plot where things can be explained by greed and stupidity of Khokhols.

>>33886780
>The people of Ukraine had thrown out his puppet and made an attempt at actual democracy isntead.
Absolute bullshit.

>>33886772

Of course Putin has already won the election so he can pretty much do what he wants without much recourse from the people.

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Ukrainian propaganda at work. DPR soldier received message saying

"Separatist, put your arms down and surrender, then you will be left alive. ATO command"

>>33886767
as if the ukrinians would have used nukes in this scenario. Never ever!

>>33886788
Go back to bed Yanukovych, nobody likes you. No, not even Putin, no matter how clean you lick his anus.

>>33886793
>without much recourse from the people.
Well, they could have him deposed. Just not through any election.

>>33886569
MERELY RUMORS

This conflict is comfy.

>>33886808
It's not about Yanukovich. Ukrainians should have normal election in 2015, in result they got a coup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5TMi82LmIo

>>33886793
>Implying that he has no support of majority of people.

>>33886823

This. We don't have much conflicts of such intensivity nowadays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZC9sd915jw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPtHuEJvM38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HXPq7WbqNk

>>33886827
>Implying that he has no support of majority of people.

I'm sure that's the result Pravda got when they went around asking at least.

So what's weekend pay like for Putin's internet brigade, an extra bottle of Boyaryshnik?

>>33886621
nice

>>33886857
OK, elections are tomorrow, give me a name of a man, who will win popular vote in 100% fair elections.
You have no idea what are you talking about.

>>33886516
Ilovaysk was 100% russian job because K/D was like 10/1

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ITT: Buttblasted katsaps who failed to conquer Ukraine, Georgia, and even Moldova.

>>33886909
>conquer Ukraine, Georgia, and even Moldova.
But what for? Times when Russian paid for whole Union are gone.

how much of a fucking babby do you have to be, to find out about proxy wars because of ukraine

or is this another cockhole tears thread?

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>>33886924
>>33886938

>>33886946

Ukrainian smerch shelling lugansk

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>>33886948

ah, cockhole tears it is

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>>33886961
Give it up graham, or your apartment will be blown up just like your "bro" motorola (he is a samsung galaxy now)

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>>33886909
But hohols are behind many war crimes, both recent and historical.

Little known fact, Ukraine was behind sarin gas attacks in Syria to make Assad, and by extension, Putin look bad!

Such is nazism of hoholi! Wow, many hatreds for Russia!

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Words cannot describe the feeling I got in muh dik, when I saw videos of russian helicopters flying in to capture crimea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSJiNRuPmgc&list=PLr7KGhesVbftgzZJBZ0q6JaFhx4e8DQas&index=139

That's how you BTFO a country

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>>33885475
Why doesnt America send "Volunteers" to help the Ukrainians?

What's Putler gonna do, cry like a bitch?

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>>33886986

all the volunteers are already there

they bum around trying to LARP, but somehow are never present when the real meatgrinder starts, only the cockholes get sent there

>>33886986
They're too fat and uninebriated to pass off as slavic

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>>33886986

I think more are on the DPR side.

>>33885845
>Russia sent some advisors and volunteers, but the majority of separatists are Ukrainians who speak Russian.
Did we all just collectively forget the pictures of obvious non-uniformed special forces and soldiers in very modern camouflage that were around right at the start?

>>33885966
ACCORDING TO RUSSIA

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>>33886986
>Putler
Khokhol detected.

>>33886988
They're fighting for wrong side

>>33886667
If AA was used than surely it would be without a doubt given by Russians

>>33886999

and according to Ukraine, they've unironically been fighting against (and defeating) Armatas, so there you go

>>33886047
>The rioters should have been fired upon
but they were

>>33887004

t. retard

the separatists had no problem thinning out the UA airforce using nothing but pillaged MANPADs, to the point when the famous Based BUK incident has happened, the seps already took out half the UA airforce

>>33886986
Because all the rusophiles would cry that america is playing world police even though Russia is doing exactly the same thing in the same country.

>>33887015

BAHAHAHAHAHA

The riot-police was given the order by the bitchboy ex-president to stand down.

If these Berkut guys fired upon the protesters with intent, there wouldn't have been a single protestor left and Ukraine might have still been a country

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>slav thread
>slav shitflinging

ukraine and russia should be glassed. nothing of value would be lost desu

>>33886999
Dude. It's a fucking crowdfunded war. In 2014-2015 border was not open, border didn't fucking exist. Anyone could pack their shit and go in. You can right now make a phone-call and arrange visit in that republics with supplies. Bring some thermals or even fucking child food or medicine and you're in. You can see literally everything, you can speak almost to anyone, because everything is crowdfunded and everyone is receiving help from anyone. Fucking Strelkov itself tells that RuMil are not fucking helping, that they are traitors e.t.c. Using that argument is an indicator that you don't even bother to lurk.

>>33887018
Ukraine is near Russian border. US doing stuff in places which most Americans can't find on a map.

>>33887018

Except russia actually did play police and prevent conflict in crimea, whilst at the same time shitting all over any NATO plans for Ukraine, with a perfect frozen conflict.

Slapped the Ukrainians around just enough to put the on suicide watch, those cauldrons were magic. Amazing artillery work.

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>its another slav(e) chimpout episode

>>33887021

someone should glass the shithole you crawled out of, you non-white 3rd worlder

>>33887029
>Ukraine is near Russian border.

That doesn't give you any moral right to meddle in their affairs

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>This thread

Just gas all slavs. Truly the niggers of the east

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>>33887043

> 2017
> you-know-which countries are still harping on about "moral rights" and "international relations"

it's time to stop

>>33887029
>It's a fucking crowdfunded war.

Who crowdfunds it? The average Russian citizens? Are you trolling?

Fuck outta here vatnik. It's been proven countless times already that the russian government has sent not only volunteers and supplies but regular troops and their equipment.

Dont make me pull out the pictures and embarrass you

>>33887058
Yeah Russia does.

>i-its muh backyard we can do what we want

No you cant and you wont.

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>>33887066

> no you can't and you won't

but they already did

>>33886985
Glorious.

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>>33886739

>usrainian
>people

>>33887043
>international affairs
>moral
Are you some kind of retard? Moral is a concept of human relationships. If Russians meddled in Ukrainian affairs, Poroshenko would be shot back in 2014, pro-Russian dictatorship would be arranged (not that fluffy Yanukovich, but real dictatorship, ME or Philippines style) and all remains of Ukrainian economy would work to pay off debts.

>>33887063
>Who crowdfunds it? The average Russian citizens? Are you trolling?
Large business, small business, average citizens too. As I said - you don't even bother to look into things.
>It's been proven countless times already that the russian government has sent not only volunteers and supplies but regular troops and their equipment.
Yes, but not since beginning. It began as not-Kremlin initiative. Russian military involvement is not targeted on occupying of NVR or even to helping them to win. It's not Russian war against Ukraine as buttmad khokhols tells.

>>33887063

can you explain what's wrong with sending supplies and permitting volunteers to travel?

as far as I know, this is the exact same case for the ukrainians

once again, the guys in the east aren't allowed?

this mentality is pretty hilarious, I have yet to meet a cockhole who can explain to me, how it's ok to have a "revolution" in Kiev, but not allow the same type of events in Donbas

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>>33887070
was it worth it?

>>33887080
>>33887081
Russians spinning the argument again. You are the ones complaining about America playing world police implying it is morally wrong.
I've shown you that you are doing exaclty the same

>Large business, small business, average citizens too.

Aha.
Ahahahahahaha

>It began as not-Kremlin initiative.
The whole thing began with the invasion of Crimea. By the Russian military no less.

No. There are no local militias. They did not found their weapons inside a mine shaft as the vatniks claim.

It was all planned, funded and executed by the Kremlin and no amount of denial will disprove this since the evidence is already overwhelming.

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>>33887083

russia is in the top3 new businesses started for 2016 right after the US and UK, their PPP is good, their birth rates are good, they got an influx of a couple million russians from UA, etc etc

but I don't see why I should have to write about this on /k/, because unlike you, cockhole, I'm here to talk about guns and war stuffs, not about how

> boo-hoo russia, ur moral rights n sheeit; was it "worht" it huh?; psssh we didn't wanna have crimea in nato anyways lmao russians aer poor XD

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>>33887110
>No. There are no local militias. They did not found their weapons inside a mine shaft as the vatniks claim.
>It was all planned, funded and executed by the Kremlin and no amount of denial will disprove this since the evidence is already overwhelming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sQBGGn5VsY
You're wrong, farewell.

>>33887083
Crimea was worth it, other shit was a mistake. This thing would never happen if not Srelkov personal initiative to go in. Glorious bastard.

>>33887110

> invasion of crimea

there was a nifty document signed between Ukraine and Russia, a document which nobody seemed to have a problem with, until the crimean referendum

it's an agreement between both countries about the capabilities of the Russian base on Sevastopol

in it, a number of 20000 troops comes up. this is the numbe of troops Russia is ALLOWED to have stationed on the peninsula

during the crimean referendum, that number was never broken

checkmate, nice try

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>>33887137
You can't call it an invasion, if forces are already there

>>33887016
>""""separatists""""

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>>33887147

das rite

god, putin is just so based

the absolute BEST part of the whole deal, that THE WHOLE TIME, Afghanistan or some shithole like that, was having elections in parallel, and the US forces had to be ALL over the voting stations there so the jihadis don't go mass murdering voters, but that was A OK, because.. uh well you know

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>>33887165

>>33885845
Not like there's a huge list of russian casualties :
http://gruz200.zzz.com.ua/
https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170204175155/http://gruz200.net/

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Help from civilians. It was a real drama about that tangents

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> how the Berkut riot police were greeted in crimea, on their return from Kiev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5y3z_Ydz2E

and then you have people wondering how most of the police and army defected

>>33885845
>Ukrainians who speak Russian
Ukrainian is Russian.

>>33886986
>http://gruz200.zzz.com.ua/
>70% of surnames are ukrainians
>They added journalists
Ukrainians are truly niggers worse than ISIS

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>>33887221
>people wondering how most of the police and army defected
Have you seen their MRE?

>>33887243

russian mre is dope, I watched a review of it on youtube

> these guys paratroop over your country that's experiencing civil tension to protect referendums of regions with populations likely to turn against you
> what do you do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIkFssD71Bk&t=49s

>>33887203
>gruz200.zzz.com.ua
>.ua
Yeah, it is indeed not like there is one.

>>33887243

Lol it's all crackers

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>>33887257

cheeki breeki, putin is my best friend now

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>>33887278

>>33887123
Hows that HIV epidemic going Vlad? They should sever Russia from the rest of the continent and send it in down to Africa, where it belongs.

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>>33887287

> hiv epidemic
> junkies killing junkies
> bad

putin probably could try deal with it, but then he'd have to go bomb the fuck out of afghanistan where marines are protecting opium fields, kinda tricky

>>33887290
Are those lead tipped rounds? They're going hunting or something?

>>33887287
>They should
Who're they? And who're you? You're not "they"?

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> tfw you go on vacation but forget to turn the heater off

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>>33887287
>Hows that HIV epidemic going Vlad?

Just background noise compared to the alcoholism.

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>>33887317
>2004
Why not 1917?

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>>33887203
Or a cementary which popped up just behind the border in Rostow:
https://kosmologelei.wordpress.com/2016/02/16/kein-name-bleibt/
https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2015/04/01_a_6622017.shtml

>>33887317

> life expectancy at birth
> some shifty "chart" from fuck knows who and fuck knows when

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVk1_LBlqQs

>>33887317
>Russia
>alchoholism
literally no such thing

>>33887319
>>33887323
spotted the anons suffering from cirrhosis

>>33886985
nice

>>33886995
those were only in crimea, they did not fire a single shot but stood near goverment facilities and were generaly were polite.
In fact most of them were already there and flew out of their leased naval base.
russian "volunteers" in eastern ukraine who did indeed fight had no markings on, nor did they use russian modern camouflage.

Do not mix the crimea occupation with the war in the east of ukraine. Those are two very different happenings

There was a war in Serbia once where a lot of paramilitary guys involved in genociding some muslims. It attracted a UN peace keeping force. A no fly zone was established over the country by America and they bombed Serbian munitions stores. The Serbs responded by taking UN peace enforcers hostage and handcuffing them to munitions stores. Also they shot down an f-16 and a night hawk with some ingenious use of radar to circumvent stealth and radar tracking techniques.

>>33887366
they also lost 4 wars in a decade

>>33887123
>birth rate

It's still below 2.0 you "Russia is the savior of the white race" cuck.

>they got an influx of a couple million russians from UA

Yeah, like 3 at most. Meanwhile, more immigrants are coming in from Central Asian countries. Enjoy the muzzie yodeling at 6:00 AM lol

>>33887378
>more immigrants are coming in from Central Asian countries.
Actually, most of them left in 2014, because of ruble collapse. Can't send shit back to home with such exchange rate.

>>33887378
I'd rather have an uzbek or tadjik who can speak russian selling water melons and fruit at the market than a paki or somali who doesn't bother learning the language and lives off social benefits like they do here in the west.

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>>33887402

> I'd rather have an uzbek

>>33887373
Who, the serbs?

A few nice reads about russia:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/09/opinion/mikhail-shishkin-how-russians-lost-the-war.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/russia-ukraine-europe-putin-black-hole
http://www.colta.ru/articles/society/9948
http://cicero.de/weltbuehne/das-imperium-der-luegen/58493

>>33887422
no the croats, yes the fucking serbs

>>33887445
They probably only lost because of the UN.

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>>33885475

So far I haven't seen any solid evidence of Russian involvement in Ukraine, only unsubstantiated claims from biased and russophobic Western media.

>>33887462
Different sides have different opinion of what is "Russian involvement"

I really like how these threads contain the worst vatniks to keep them from shitting up the rest of the board

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>>33887416

>>33885475
Is it because its a Ukrainian MiG-29, or are their engines really that bad and dirty?

>>33887486
>Is it because its a Ukrainian MiG-29, or are their engines really that bad and dirty
It is because it was only plane in condition to fly, so, both of it.

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>>33887486
Both.

>>33886881

There is more than one way for rigging elections. Nowadays Russian opposition leaders seem to either get sentenced in court of law (making impossible for them to run for president), end up dead by assassin whose will never be caught. This combined with basically all mass-media being either state-controlled or controlled by Putin's friendly origarchs has lead to what exists now.

Its not that there is no opposition, but Russian mass-media normally only mentions them when it tries to discredit them and if any opposition leader starts gaining popularity, he gets crushed in one way or another.

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>>33887486
Ukrainian

>>33886678
Not that anon but
>enemy soldiers take positions in populated area
>shoot at you and direct mortars from said position
>shoot a rocket and hit some soldiers and a few civilians
>'W-WAR CRIMINALS!'
Faggot.

>>33887584
>Majority of Russian are for Putin
>Those majority is wrong
Western democracy in it's finest

>>33887623
>Striking mortar position with 500kilo tactical ballistic missile
You can do it only if you're NATO. Since Ukraine is not in NATO, they can't do that.

Unharrassed? Russia has had massive sanctions ever since.

>>33886787

If so, why return the wallets instead of just getting rid of them?

>>33885475
It only proved two things:
1. Russia will backstab everyone if they get the chance
2. If you are going to get into dispute with your neighbour country, make sure you have allies long before that.

>>33887633
>You can do it only if you're NATO.
>nato
>known for literally doing nothing while civilians are executed in front of them
Anon who even hired you to be here.

This thread sucks. I came here looking for a /k/ thread but just got /pol/ instead.

>>33887671

These threads had slightly smarter anons when the conflict was still hot.

>>33886995
VDV units were obviously deployed in Donbass but not in great numbers and they are not special forces at all

>>33887649
Because commander came and promised to tear their asses apart, something like that.

>>33885902
>Not for reasons unknown.

Russia.

>>33887686
Nah you'd be better off talking about it on /his/ than /k/. It was never a good discussion it's always been russian and nonrussian shills getting paid to circle jerk their shitty memes.

>>33887223
Ukrainian is more polish than russian

>>33887633

Majority of Russian do vote for Putin, but it is becuase:
1. Russian Mass media, troll factories etc keep blasting Russian population with propaganda about how he is single-handed saving Russia on daily bases.
2. Russian population is not really aware that there are either real options. If any opposition politician still succeeds gaining any popularity Russian mass-media will label him as criminal, foreign spy, pervert etc. If this still doesn't stop him, he is likely to have an "accident".
3. Lot of Russians (most?) still have the old Soviet mind-set, due to which they are afraid of getting mixed in politics.

And just in case "United Russia" is likely to again have some fake political parties supporting it posing as opposition parties in next federal assembly elections.

>>33887445
Same with US ;). Iraq and Afghanistan are good examples

>>33887733
Is /his/ still shit?

>>33887671
>known for literally doing nothing while civilians are executed in front of them

When was this?

>>33887747
It's an artificial polonized Russian dialect.

>>33887402
Spoken like someone who hasn't been in St. Petersburg nor Moscow.

>>33887772
Yep, it's still just /alt-pol/

>>33885475

Anyone else love that color scheme on the Ukie jets?

>>33887805
I have been to both of those cities though, urban niggers are the same everywhere you go. In smaller cities like orel or tula there are also a bunch of central asians but they are generally nice people, talk russian well and actually offer services like selling vegetables, kebabs etc.

>>33887805
Spoken like someone who hasn't been around African and Middle-Eastern immigrants in Europe.

>>33887233
t.vatnik

>>33887137
That doesnt excuse a full blown invasion, vatnik

>>33886081
Belarus will collapse by itself when they try to transition power to the mini-me. Russia is patient.
They won't try for Kiev but Transdniesterian volunteers might help the oppressed Russians spontaneously uprising in Odessa one day...

>>33887956
Full blown invasion in Crimea was in 1943, your intel kinda outdated.

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>>33887296
>hiv is fine tavarish we love it i swear

>>33887977
Hello this is the year 2017. There was a russian invasion of Crimea in 2014.

Is the internet that slow in Siberia?

ACTIVE MILITARY PERSONNEL FROM THE RUSSIAN FEDERATIN WERE PRESENT IN UKRAINE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zssIFN2mso


Seriously. Watch this, and tell me Russian soldiers were not in Ukraine

>>33887998
>peace keeping force
>invasion
25 cents have been deposited to your account.

>>33887998
>There was a russian invasion of Crimea in 2014
Are you typing from some kind of alternative reality through inter-dimensional portal? Because in our real word Russian forces are located in Crimea since XVIII century with a little break in 1941-1943.

>>33888027
Question is not about are they in NVR or not, question is since when and what are they doing there?

>>33888027
They were and they still are. And what?

t. Russian

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>>33888027
Russian soldiers were not in Ukraine

>>33886909
>this is what hohol cucks actually believe

We crushed Georgia in a few days and could take Kiev in a week.

>>33888035
>Peacekeeping force
>That also overthrow the local military and annex the territory

Now these are mental gymnastics

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definitely not russian

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>>33888103
Pure Finn

>>33885475
The answer to your question despite how much you call me a shill:
No.

Now go ahead and deny that all you want, but it won't change anything.

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>>33888103

>>33888103
What sort of flag is that?

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>>33888103
>>33888115

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>>33888103
>>33888115
>>33888125

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>>33888103
>>33888125
>>33888131
>>33888115

>>33888124
Kremlin's for some reason stole confederate flag

>>33887965
Russia will try for Kiev when Ukraine gives them an excuse. Probably when they try to go full hohol and launch an all out attack on Donetsk.

>>33888027
No one is denying there weren't a few Russian troops, but the majority of rebels were ukrainian volunteers.
>>33888143
The Ukrainians picked that flag

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>>33888103

>>33888147
>No one is denying there weren't a few Russian troops,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stra6-a68DM

Those Asiatic looking guys are from the Siberian region.

>>33888158

In fact, most military involved in Ukraine were from Siberian area. Much easier to entice them with money than from the west.

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>>33888103
>>33888115

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>>33888103
from Crimea

>>33888155
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stra6-a68DM
Well of course he is going to say that

but the truth is irrelevant in international geopolitics. As an American you should understand that the most.

>>33888158
form Buryatia

>>33888143
>>33888147
>>33888124
That's the russian naval jack REEEE

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>>33888143
>>33888147
>>33888191
So similar it took a little while to realize the cross is misaligned.

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>>33888191
No

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>>33888180
>international geopolitics

>hurr durr russian speshul forces
>hurr rebels way too gud and 2gud wepins
>hurr toomani wepuns and tanks

Consireding that this board is over 90% american its no surprise you dont know shit about geography and history.

Donetsk is the industrial part of ukraine.
They have Armor/Weapons factories there.
Also what happened to the shitloads of soviet era weapons/armor?Did they vanish?No,there are fucking depos.
Also if youre a male Russian/ukrop and you dont have any military experience then youre a big exception.
The only russians that were there are guys who bought military shit and then went to donetsk or got equipped there.
There were fucking brazillians in the donetsk army,so is brazil invading ukraine?


Your only argument is that Russian did it and when someone asks for evidence you say "hurr everyone knows its true" or you post shit out of your reddit folder.


Also bubbah talking about tank models...
Son,they are factory workers they use different parts to fix their tanks and sometimes make 1 working bmp out of 3-4 broken bmps.
Its soviet tech,not apple products.

>>33885504
same game but executed with some revisions

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>>33888218

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>>33888247

>>33888236
He бoмби тaк плз

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>>33888103

>>33888236
>Also what happened to the shitloads of soviet era weapons/armor?
Ukrainians sold them

>>33888236
A ton of it is rusting away in ethiopia.

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>>33888236
Sorry, but we dont fall for your lies and revionism, rebels had real problems in autunm 2014, even their leader complained about how they could not find 100 volunteers in 1 million people and if russia doesnt do something they whole thing would be over within months. Then spontanous "volunteers" popped up, tanks, APCs and AA that wasnt even in use in ukraine, ukraine army was shelled by russian artillery from within russia or them quickly scoop and shoot into ukraine. After all this time all we can see from people like you are the same lies, hoping you can confuse another uninformed with your propaganda lies.

You can see on google earth if you see destroyed ukrop border checkpoints shelled from within Russia.

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>>33888337

>>33888326
source,son
source
do it

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Here is one I captured on GE of Dalzhanski border crossing.

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>>33888143
This flag is older than your entire country, American ignoramus.
>>33888218
>Naval Ensign and Naval Jack are the same thing
Are you American or just pretending?

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T-72B3 in Donetsk. This type of 72 use only Russian military force

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>>33888285
I'm sure they had enough to completely rearm whole African continent if needed, especially if you count ww2-era surplus. At least on paper.

Also going to use this moment to share the video featuring one of their ammo depots detonating due to negligence earlier this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwEZ_9VLD8 (2 minute mark for the best part)

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>>33888216
Wanna have some additional keks?
>Neva Yacht Club burgee -basis of the flag of Finland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neva_Yacht_Club

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>>33888418
destroyed T-72B3

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>>33888418
>in Donetsk
Pic related, it's from a parade in Moscow, dummy. At least use the actual photos from Eastern Ukraine.

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>>33888337
There is so much stuff i dont even know where to start with:
-BUK 3_2 filmed and photographed on its way from Kursk base to ukraine border, popping up in rebel held territory, then a day later after MH-17 was shot down again filmed and photographed with one missile missing on its way back to the russian border.
-The BTR-82a that has been geolocated on google maps from a vid of rebels using in rebel territroy, which is only in use in the russian federation and planed to be sold to some asian country.
-Pantsir in Lugansk.
-"polite green men" in crimea.
-T72-b3 in rebel hands, a lot of other regular tanks filmed or photographed with markings in russia, which popped up in rebel hands.
-Burned marks on the ground fromrocket artillery in Russia showing they shot at Ukraine.
...

We have been through so much shit and evidence in the conflict and still all we can see from russians and their friends is the same lies all over again, like nothing ever happened and then they act insulted when they get attacked for such a pathetic behaviour. No wonder they have such a low reputation. They simply cant grasp how much credibility they lost through the conflict with that behaviour, be it with the lies and propaganda or the silent acceptance.

>>33888364
Oh, again? I literally posted stuff for this about 50 times by now or so through the years. Gee, i wonder why there is still no seeable changing behaviour from people like you. You are just another proofster, asking for stuff to act like you actually mean it, but in the end everyhing will be ignored or ridiculed.

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>>33888418
One of T-72B3 was captured in Ilovaisk and was used by the Ukrainian army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhti-Sp-g7w

>>33888442
This >>33888431 >>33888448 are from Moscow too?

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putin makes everything perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og

>>33888419
>negligence
kek'd heartily, absolute madman who did that.

>>33888443
>source: everyone knows lol

good job

>>33888443
Ho there's an ancient Buk that no one on this planet ever saw crossing the border and 3,5 genuine Russian AFVs indeed seen in the Eastern Ukraine, likely supplied to test them? Such invasion, much wow.

>>33888457
You used a photo from Moscow in a post that literally says "T-72B3 in Donetsk". Just because you posted the actual photos later doesn't make you any less full of shit.

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>slapping era on t-72= T-72B3 russian invasion lol

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>>33888469
guys its on wikipedia the conversation is over

>>33888481
What about other photos?

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>>33885475

Are you stupid or do you ACTUALLY believe the fables about phantom Russian massive invasion armies?

>>33888462
You can ask a question only so often til people dont actually believe your true motives? Tell me where have you been through the ukraine conflict? Even on this board? We had literally hundreds of threads about this stuff, how is it even technically possible you missed all this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/2dr71b/armored_personnel_carrier_btr82a_currently_in_use/
Yes, even fucking reddit is BTFO russian proofsters.

https://www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-vliegramp/presentaties/presentation-joint/
>The BUK-TELAR that was used was brought into Eastern Ukraine from the territory of the Russian Federation.
>The investigation team has been able to make an accurate reconstruction of a large part of the route which was followed by the BUK-TELAR and accompanying vehicles.

>>33888469
>i must act like this was never a thing and not endlessly discussed til death
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/05/03/the_lost_digit/

>>33888507
>please ignore the optics or my post would exactly look like one from a typical russian shill

>>33888443
There is one rebel video where they stand around their own t-72b3 and claim they captured it from Ukrainian forces and said it was Czech T-72M something

>>33886451
>They never captured any depots.

You're an idiot. Eastern Ukraine is dotted with arms depots because of Soviet deep war doctrine; there were reserves and stockpiles every few miles.

>>33888543
>I must act like anyone on this planed ever saw any Buks crossing the border, even though it has never happened. I must protect Ukraine on the internet.
iArmy, please.

>>33887747
Nah, it's actually closer to Russian, since it is based on Russian, but borrowed a lot of polish and old-slav words.
Yet it also depends on where you are. Western territories tend to have more polish-origin words in use. It goes to the East where you have Russian with funny ukrainian touches of saying "sho" instead of "chto" and other stuff. The most fucked stuff is from little villages - it's hard to explain, but any town dweller or simply any profound Russian/Ukrainian speakers would have their ears bleeding from this language.

I am a neutral Ukrainian, AMA.

>>33888552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkRtOSk1tps

>>33886461
>Anyone who is still arguing about involvement of RuArmy in Ukraine in 2017 is legitimately retarded.

That's what I believe too.

How can anyone believe in such a retarded conspiracy theory cooked up by the Pentagon?

>>33888552
It is a standard russian propaganda procedure, throw so much disinformation, that the real stuff just gets under just by the sheer number and people dont know what to think of it without looking into it.

>>33888599
Seriously, do you can give any non standard shill answer? Look at the link it literally shows pictures of the BUK in russian territroy and later in rebel territory. You are downright pathetic if you think that doesnt matter and it only counts when there is an direct video of it crossing the border.

>>33888601
Who are they trying to convince? a 4 year old.

>>33886986

Most of them went to rebels, because that is the right side of history.

>>33888614
>It is a standard russian propaganda procedure, throw so much disinformation, that the real stuff just gets under just by the sheer number and people dont know what to think of it without looking into it.
Americans have been doing this for decades, when other people catch up it's suddenly misinformation and propaganda. Stay salty amerifat.

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>>33888616
Dont forget that are the same people who tried to frame the US with fake stingers, with writings from Battlefield and a serial number out of Operation Flashpoint.

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/rebels-find-fake-us-stinger-missiles-in-eastern-ukraine-48484

>>33888614
>do you can
You won't get any potato for such a blatant runglish, hohol.
>Look at the link
I saw it. It's the same old "it's not like we have any actual evidence, but look at these wires and numbers" bullshit. You will need to try harder than that.

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>>33888644
Since it gets really boring with you.
>Seriously, do you can give any non standard shill answer?

As the saying goes: Talk with a russian about something negative about russia and he will tell you something about the US.

>>33888648
>lalalala i pretend i cant see it
again from >>33888543
>The BUK-TELAR that was used was brought into Eastern Ukraine from the territory of the Russian Federation.
>The investigation team has been able to make an accurate reconstruction of a large part of the route which was followed by the BUK-TELAR and accompanying vehicles.

>>33887422

>NYT
>Guardian

lolno.

Gutterpress and straight up Pentagon propaganda.

Weren't company numbers and company insignia on most tanks entering ukraine painted or covered? There some pics where they were kinda shitty painted over and you could see the company number thru the paint which matches with the number before entering Ukraine.

>>33888655
As the saying goes, try to discuss something about russia on /k/ and watch the mouth frothing americans shitpost in droves.

>>33888337
>>33888353
>>33888380

Except no one disputed artillery salvos and fire support.

There was never any invasion. Fucking full stop.

Just give up already, your corrupt side lost and simply walked away from Crimea without a fight.

>>33888645
Saw that vid about stingers! Stingers looked like plastic airshit or shitty mockups! Not even a training dummies.

>>33888645
That was fantastic though

>>33888644
>armatard is this salty

incredible