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>>33881135
I love the engineering concept, but in the boberg, the mags had no follower, which weirds me out, dunno if BondArms rectified that or not.
I'm hoping someone refines the overall mechanism, because its apparently really picky with ammo

is that seriously the rollmark bondarms put on that thing?

fuck me that is hideous.

>>33882748
I think they're classy looking (with the exception of what >>33882767 pointed out), especially with the rosewood grips. 7 round mag capacity, in a package that small, is also pretty damn convenient.

>>33881135
I think they look sexy, if I weren't commiefornian I would consider getting one once they actually start production.

>>33882767
I'm pretty sure that's photoshopped. I think Bond Arms is still in the process of getting ready to start manufacturing.

>>33882803
OP here, and also a new commiefornian. I think production and a limited release was slated for Q1 this year. More production in route for Q3 2017.
So sayeth the internets:
https://epictactical.com/new-bond-arms-2017

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>>33882786
not sure why you replied to me, I dont think they look bad, just the magazine not having a follower is weird. you can kinda see it in this pic
and I think the mechanism is a little finicky, i seem to remember it [the boberg original] having problems feeding hollow points or extracting certain loads, hence my desire for a refinement of the internals

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>>33883235
I forgot how much I absolutely fucking LOVE the action of the whole thing, I really hope it catches on in more guns, it would be really cool to see in a rifle/carbine

>>33883286

That's similar to how a shotgun loads.

>>33883235
I wasn't in any way criticizing what you had to say, if that's what you mean. Just adding my two cents about why I am interested.

>>33883297
>similar
like a tube fed? i just looked at my winchester 94 and i can see the similarity, but shotgun shells and 30-30 are rimmed. I think the AN-94 does something similar for its double burst action with its lifting thing, but I'd have to watch Ian's video again.
>>33883305
nah, I was genuinely confused why you repiled to my post, did you think I was OP?

What's even the point to having a six-round pocket piece

>>33883470
The average self-defense shooting involves firing 2.5 rounds.

>>33881135
I think they bought the company to kill off the design and get their customers back.

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>>33881135
UNSUBSCRIBE

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>>33881135
decent but use properly crimped ammo, otherwise the bullet separates from the casing and jams up the whole gun
overall interesting but I wouldn't trust my life to it considering there are much cheaper and more reliable options

>>33884177
That's there for the purpose of removing the barrel, it needs to tilt out of the slide, so hole needs to be a slot or oversized. A slot at least allows it to have contact around half of the circumference. You also might be autistic if you have a problem with how the gun looks with the barrel pointing at you.

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>>33881135
>>33882748
I have an XR45-S, so same mechanism, just in .45acp obviously. Basically the magazine with no follower isn't a big deal, but sometimes after it is empty, 1 coil pops out over the feed lips. Easy fix, just not ideal. I suppose Boberg just wanted another gimmick to throw on top. I think Bond Arms said they plan to have followers in the mags, and to sell spares for people to put in their original Bobergs. They also said they planned to get the price to $800, but now it's back up to $1100 last I saw. They also mentioned they were going to fix the case separations, which they are now calling a literal "feature" of the pistol. I can't find they video where that say it right now, but that is outrageous. Anyways, anything that's crimped shouldn't give you an issue, and some uncrimped stuff will work, like Winchester white box, though I haven't had a single case separation with the XR45-S with even the cheapest plinking ammo, so I may just be lucky. (Sorry for the long post)

>>33885684
neat, I didn't even know about the mags.

>>33885684
>>33885506
>case seperation and bullet seperation
exactly what I couldnt remember, I knew it was picky and not liking hollow points didnt really seem right. I really think a better mag design, or even a fuckin EFFORT to make proper mags would have completely eliminated those problems

>>33884177
You don't have any idea how guns work, do you?

>>33885578
>>33886109
I am not concerned with with the squawking of the plebian class. My firearms are all perfectly functional while maintaining symmetry, grace, and aesthetic appeal. Therefore a design lacking in any of these features is objectively inferior.

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>>33883286
Neat mechanism.

Though I can see why it has ammo problems. I can't think of any successful automatic that feeds by grabbing the rim.

Probably causes a bunch of problems because the damn gun does things that the cartridge was never designed to do.

>>33886155
You sound very smart.

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>>33886230
>cartridges never designed to be grabbed by the rim
>lol, how does I eject?

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>>33886255
FULL cartridges, not EMPTY casings

>>33886521
what, you think the cartridge is going to magically fall apart?

>>33886540
when the lifter mech tries to extract an uncrimped round from a magazine with a bad design, and the bullet catches on the "feed lips", yes I expect a magical separation of brass and lead. its happened, it's documented, now fuck off

>>33881135
Damnit, I remember that Arne Boberg once commented on the Boberg forums that he had a sketch for a full sized 10 mm version...

Does anybody know what happened to Arne?

>>33886571
do you even understand how physics works?

>>33886571
Wait, how is the bullet going to catch on the feed lips when it is recessed from the case neck? How the fuck do you think cartridges are constructed?

>>33886540
well it does in the Boberg

>>33886908
Evidence to support your claim?

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>>33887183
like every review of the XR9. People have even made lists of ammo that pulls apart
http://community.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/boberg-compatible-ammunition

>Blazer Aluminum Case (2 separations in 9 shots)
>Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P (1 separation in 85 rounds)
>Speer Lawman 115gr, 124gr FMJ (multiple reports of separations, FTF)
etc

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>>33881135
Did they change the name of the gun when they bought out Boberg?
It looks like their design.

>>33887557
The issues with separations are from rounds that are not crimped from what I've heard.

>>33886052
Issue isn't the magazine design. It's inate to the design. The rearward acceleration of the slide moving back and the claws pulling the cartridge backwards is what makes it happen. Basically the the bullet says nah nigga because the friction fit the casing has on it isn't strong enough to accelerate it with the case. Eitger way, only solutions I see to make it more compatible with uncrimped ammo is to increase the lock time to eat up more of that rearward force, or a stronger recoil spring to lower the acceleration. Problem is that slide needs a pretty decent velocity at the back to operate the lifter.

>>33886155
>Objectively
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>33883400
So would it be a good idea to design this around a rimmed case? Like make it in .38 spl?

>>33888056
From what I understand this happens even when the bullet itself isn't catching on anything in the gun/magazine. Does this mean that accelerating a fully loaded cartridge by the rim with certain ammunition can cause the bullet to be left in place like sliding a tablecloth out from under glasses/plates/silverware?

>>33887569
Yes, it's the same gun. Bullpup is the name now. I heard they'll also honor the warranties for the original guns too.

I shot one.. it was unreliable. It kept stripping bullets from the actual case.

>>33886540
>>33886571
>>33886746
>>33886758
>>33887581
The bullet doesn't catch on shit, it happens the same way an inertial (hammer) bullet puller works.

>>33889670
thats what it's beginning to sound like, and it never occurred to me, I just thought the mag was fucking up somehow because it lacks a follower, the "feed lips" are bent into more "retaining lips". this is a really interesting problem lmao

>>33889670
Yes, that is exactly what is happening, that's a pretty good analogy. Essentially the static friction of the case on the bullet is what normally holds an uncrimped cartridge together. When you grab it by the rim, that static friction is what would normally apply the force on the bullet to make it accelerate rearwards. When that force becomes greater, either due to a higher accelertion or greater mass of the bullet, it overcomes the static friction, turns to kinetic and the bullet slides out. Crimping solves this because it has to bend the material to overcome the deformations, kind of like a psuedo increase to the static friction.

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>>33889927
>>33887581 here, I didn't imply it was catching on anything.
I was at their range and they were talking about that issue when they were test firing this model.

It had to do with cheap ammo where they skipped on the crimping, shit you would get at walmart.

>>33891711
Well not their range, the range in White Bear Lake.
They did all their testing out there.