What would be your vehicle of choice for an SHTF situation? Specifically

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>>33880458
>Shitty new Jeep

If you're going to get a Jeep, get a CJ series.

>>33880458
a horse.

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>>33880458
Jeep is my SHTF vehicle of choice. All others are repair-prone nightmares.The sheer number of parts available to take care of your Jeep make this an A+ choice.

>>33880535
What type? Wrangler? Wrangler Unlimited?
Is there any advantage to a regular Wrangler over an Unlimited in an shtf situation? More room for a fuckload of guns and ammo seems like a good thing.

I'm actually looking at getting an XJ locally.

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>>33880458
Good ol trusty taco

>>33880458
But anon, that's not how you spell Toyota Hilux! Thousands of durkas can't be wrong.

>>33880458
land cruiser

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>>33880587
Unlimited has a longer wheelbase, and two extra doors. Kind of useless imo. If you can find a Wrangler LJ (aka "long jeep"), snap that up. It's a short production run variation of the TJ (OP's pic) from around '08. Two doors, long body and frame. If you remove the back seat and top it becomes a neat little truck.

>>33880458
Joining the chorus. Jeep YJ is my pick. It's in my driveway, it's dead simple and it works. It can be torn apart with a screwdriver and some sockets and the ignition and electrical systems are easy to understand. Nothing compares for simplicity, except maybe an old Chevy K5.

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>>33881022
>>33881055
>>33881066
All these dubs. Jeep JKs btfo. I've always wanted a land cruiser.

Check this shit out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn7l3UDPV0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXzvx7Y5G4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYdaanmTcNc

Such beauty.

>>33881110
A land cruiser and land rover aren't the same thing.

>>33881122
i think anon just wanted to show us videos of badass rigs

>>33880458
Not a Jeep.

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can your vehicle handle tough situations?

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>>33881122
Actually, I meant to include this one but forgot it because of the ultradank CJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3eKfL083ns

Jealous of this guy, but I'd definitely install a roll bar. I wonder if he's still alive.

>>33881162
Pretty much.

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can your vehicle handle roadblocks?

>>33881162
Until your have portal axles, it's not a bad ass vehicle, it's just lifted for show.

>>33881222
Jesus fucking CHRIST. Reminder to carry a shotgun when traveling through liberal parts of the US in an open top vehicle.

>>33881066
>Unlimited has a longer wheelbase, and two extra doors. Kind of useless imo
Doesn't the Unlimited also have more space inside than the standard?

>>33881241
>paying thousands of USD for an absolutely useless portal gear lift
>not spending it on land and a compound

yeah, badass bro. you fucking chump.

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>>33881274
Well yes. It is a longer wheelbase. The frame and tub are both stretched versus a normal JK. The rear seats have more leg room and cargo space.

>>33881275
Not understanding clearance.
Thinks lift without lifting axles does anything

i mean if i could get anything in the world, i'd prolly get a german Boxer or one of those giant Soviet troop trucks, get my hasguns friends together, and go on a Mad Max roadtrip of blood and happiness

>>33881296
>not understanding a few inches of clearance are not worth $$$$ to most people, who could probably just drive around or winch over the same obstacle

when SHTF is the floor going to be lava? are those inches of clearance going to keep you safe where everyone else would have died?

you are either trolling or really dumb. probably both.

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>>33880458
>What would be your vehicle of choice for an SHTF situation?
I can't think of a fantasy vehicle so I will just say this one, because I own it.

Could stand to have better tires tho. I hate the ones it has.

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A Toyota Hilux, not even the sand people can break them.

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>>33881317
>when SHTF
thinks he's going to stay on the road all the time. Thinks dinus don't lay tires and rocks in the road. Your 7" of ground clearance isn't going to do shit. It's factory clearance. Get portals have have 15" or more of clearance.

FOOL! Fool! FOOL! FOOL! Fool! FOOL! FOOL! Fool! FOOL! FOOL! Fool! FOOL!

land cruiser diesel

>>33880458
Probably a Volkswagen midsized sedan diesel.
Diesel has a longer shelf life and the engines can run pure ethanol as fuel.
Also great gas mileage and diesel will be easier to find because it's less commonly used and really only used by large trucks which people wouldn't be driving.
However, what i would want is a giant transportation truck with one of those large gas tanks that are used to refuel gas stations.
I would have all the fuel I need.
Also armor your car up with some steel plates.

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>>33881340
Get some BFG KO2s. Just adding those have gotten my 4runner though trails that have stuck it with the crappy stock "AT" tires.

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XJ is best J

>>33881392
>shtf roads
>midsize sedan

>>33881374
>lifting so much to throw off center of gravity
>>33881392
>gasoline transport truck
Yeah then you get shot at and it goes boom

>>33881423
>SHTF
>AR-15
>not AK-47
have fun with a broken gun two months in

>>33880458
Certainly not a small SUV or compact truck (Wrangler and Hilux/Tacoma, I mean you specifically), I like having room for more than 1 person+1 backpack while also getting similar if not better gas mileage and being able to tow something larger than a single jetski without being stuck in 3rd gear or melting my brakes off trying to stop.

>>33881249
That wasn't the us.

>>33880587
>less cargo room than a current-gen Prius
>"fuckload of guns and ammo"
Pick one.

>>33880458
Where are you going to buy gas? And with what, if your credit card no longer works? Do you think you'll be the only guy who thought of the idea of getting in the car and hitting the road? What happens when you end up a sitting duck, trapped in a miles-long dead-stopped traffic jam, surrounded by hostile, desperate people?

>>33881516
Wrangler Unlimited has a fair amount of room

>>33881479
Wow! Thanks for the advice!

>>33880458
Some sort of electric car, not necessarily solar powered. Electric cars have less moving parts and can take electricity generated by any source. I can build a small dam and have hydroelectricity for example. They're quiet too and don't give out tell tale car exhaust smell. Problem is battery life but they should last 10 years or so.

>>33881526
No, it doesn't. It has a cargo area that's 6" wide and intruded upon by the rear seat.

It DOES have room for 4 adults though (assuming they bring nothing with them except the clothes on their backs, and at least 2 of them are skinny and none are morbidly obese), so I suppose if you never intended on ever having any passengers...it would still lose to most compact sedans in total available space.

>>33881362
>sand niggers
ftfy

>>33880535
>>33880587
Jeeps are garbage, there's a reason why like 4 out of the top 10 worst cars this year are Jeeps

>>33881204
i doubt that truck completely survived landing

>>33881374
>lifts truck
>goes around a corner too fast
>dies

>>33881526
my friend has a wrangler. its cargo area is so tiny you'd have trouble fitting a toaster in it

>>33881519
>What happens when you end up a sitting duck, trapped in a miles-long dead-stopped traffic jam, surrounded by hostile, desperate people?

>A. Take backroads and avoid the heavy trafficked roads because everyone and their mom will think to go to the freeway
>B. Be armed
>C. Maintain something tradeable that could be bartered with

As far as breakdowns, I operate on this philosophy:

>Plan for your car to die along the way.
Bring extra fluids, fuel, filter and whatnot, but do not expect it to get to your destination in one piece. When you pack, make sure your core essentials are ready to go at a moment's notice. Pack extras (since it's a fucking car and not a horse) like another 400 rounds of ammo or whatever the fuck, but if your car goes under you make sure you abandon it or it will slow you the fuck down.

Ideally you should be able to use your vehicle as a makeshift shelter for a day or two. Remember that it will draw attention from others.

>>33881558
Depends on the jeep. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better off-road capable vehicle straight from the factory. Those safety ratings are based on everyday normal life and highway performance, not SHTF performance.

>>33881569
you can see the passenger side airbag deploy as soon as it hits the ground, whoever was driving that is not having a fun time

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toyota hilux/pickup/tacoma, /thread

jeeps are total garbage and definitely would not want when shtf, unless CJ or older is chosen

>>33881469
>>>33881374 (You)
>>lifting so much to throw off center of gravity
>>>33881392
>>gasoline transport truck
>Yeah then you get shot at and it goes boom
>>33881580


Stop watching movies, bullets don't make a gas truck go boom unless you're watching Die Hard

Stop talking about center of gravity, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Just stop now.

>>33881204
>Side curtain airbag deployment

Atleast I can turn those off >>33881340

>>33881620
Please explain. I had a coworker who was huge into doing off-highway shit with her fiance. She said their Rubicon kicked more ass on the trail than some other upgraded trucks.

>>33881621
>Stop talking about center of gravity, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Just stop now.
Yes I do, it will make the vehicle flip

>>33881621
>raise vehicle
>center of gravity also rises
>higher center of gravity means easier to roll over
it's not that hard to understand bud

>>33881621
You are the one who has no clue what you're talking about and don't understand even basic physics, retard.
Lift=good for SHTF
Lift more than several inches=bad for SHTF

>>33881637
>Jeeps are sweet at rock crawling
yes heeps are good at wheeling rocks and trails, but the question seems more closely related to combat/shtf
i would prefer reliability and reduced maintenance in those situations to the ability to make it on trails that you would not typically traverse in a combat situation

I'd probably do alright in my outback
>18.5 gallon fuel tank
>8.7 inches ground clearance
>shitloads of room for extra fuel, supplies, etc
>doesn't stand out from the crowd too much
>known for high reliability
>easy maintenance

>>33881612
>>A. Take backroads and avoid the heavy trafficked roads because everyone and their mom will think to go to the freeway
Lots of people will think of that, too.

>>B. Be armed
Same - lots of other people will be.

>>C. Maintain something tradeable that could be bartered with
Killing you for it will be cheaper and easier.

>>33881681
For you it is.

>>33881668
>>33881688


Yet vehicles rollovers of all kinds are less than 1% of accidents. What is the roll over angle of a Land Rover 110 with 7" portal axles and 35" tires, assuming there is no roof rack or roof carried gear. Also assume a full tank of fuel.

What's the rollover angle?

See, you really don't know what you're talking about. You have wikipedia like understanding which means you know nothing.

>>33881725
>Lots of people will think of that, too.
Right, but the majority won't.

>Same - lots of other people will be.
Nahhh, really?

>Killing you for it will be cheaper and easier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBhh23-paLU

>>33881762
>no roof rack
>no roof carried gear
>full tank of fuel
>only 7" when some people do like 40"

>>33881762
>vehicle rollovers are only 1% of accidents
>ergo, it is completely safe to lift your vehicle

>>33881814
You can't do 7" portals you idiot. You'd need 80" tires. Do you even understand modified axles, lift, tire size?

I really don't think you do. You know know much about much. But keep looking like an ass, it's pretty much the norm in this thread full of those who don't even have a driver's license.

>>33881249
>liberal parts of the US

thats europe dude

>>33881823
It is, and center of gravity does not have to do solely with lift as it's more dependant on weight distribution in relation to the height. But, you knew that right. Also roll over accents have to do with either crossing the rollover angle or inertial forces that exceed gravitational forces.

>>33881428
Roads aren't going to magically get destroyed unless you're talking nuclear war or such.
Other than a midsized sedan you can also do a diesel truck(not the transport kind) but it has shit fuel efficiency so yeah, mid sized sedan at 50 mpg on highway is a pretty good option.

>>33881842
>Do you even understand modified axles, lift, tire size?
Nope but I understand center of gravity and physics.
>>33881870
>as it's more dependant on weight distribution in relation to the height.
And lifting directly affects weight distribution relative to height, you fucking 8 year old idiot

>>33881939
>Nope but I understand center of gravity and physics. Wikipedia like understanding there chump.

Not, you don't.

>>33881530
are you trolling or just 12?

>>33881479
Enjoy no ammo after 2 weeks

>>33882193
Yeah, because I'm going to go through my thousands of rounds in two weeks... right?

>>33882216
its a big shit, and a really big fan

>>33881715
yeah outbacks underrated for this sorta stuff.

>>33882284
I wish we could have the diesel like aussies have. >40 mpg gives it over 700 miles range

>>33882380
i'd give my left nut for a diesel outback

>>33880458
>>33880535

Chrysler good for SHTF, or just being good cars in general? Seriously?
you fell for the jeep meme.

>>33881859
>>33881510
Oh, huh. Looks just like the Black Lives Matter or Antifa demonstrations blocking highways a few months ago, except with added trees. Still: shotgun.

>>33881762
Also, portal axle shill ITT is 12, doesn't understand high COG = bad especially off-road, and probably doesn't even own a vehicle. Get mad stay mad, kid.

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>>33881400
YES, exactly what I was looking for to go on picrelated. TY, anon.
>inb5 that japtruk a shit for shtf
Ya, maybe, b-but
>MBZ turbodiesel swap
>modern suspension
>dana's
>1500 mile range on one tankful
Considering armoring up...

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Best vehicle is something that was in production when SHTF, car lots full of salvageable parts, win/win I love my old jeeps, but if they break down or I need parts I'm fucked

>>33882684
Nice!

Also, armoring the cab is actually not that expensive. Get some 14"? AR500 swinging steel target plates and weld/bolt them into the door and driver's seat. Post some bolts over the rear window to hang a plate to protect the driver's head?

Armor is the one thing I feel I'm missing from my YJ and its half-doors. But the open top is so comfy and nice when S isn't HTF...

>>33882456
Modern Jeeps are... eh. Standard model uses the same axles as YJs and TJs but weights a fuckton more. Rubicons have upgraded axles but are expensive. Electrical and ECU are needlessly complex.

>>33882684
>1500 mile range
sheeiit.

>>33881637
>on the trail
>off-highway
If it's not off-road, it's road. That woman is a retard.

>>33882684
this was always my favorite looking light pickup

don't know why, exactly

>>33882856
>That woman is a retard.

AWW did your off-roader ego get bruised?

>>33882862
>don't know why, exactly
It's an operator in disguise is why.

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the only correct choice

>>33881423
Cherokee ftw

Toyota Corolla

Scavenging for parts is easy as shit, good fuel economy, low profile, etc.

Fags rolling around in lifted trucks with racks and off road tires are going to be targeted instantly in any real SHTF unless your truck is low profile and looks like some HVAC repair shit.

>>33882910
this
>have large faggish pickup
>get shot

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I wouldn't mind an older simpler jeep, not too interested in Toyota, I don't buy the memes.

AMC eagle is the correct answer

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>>33880458
Japari Bus with 50 cal MG

>>33882956
>meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk

>>33882973

That video is exactly why it's a meme, almost any old truck could do the same.

4runner

very few problems, reliable

capable of some deep off road

can sleep in back/has enough room

>>33880458
Dodge 12v or 24v Cummins 5.9L I6. They're tanks

>>33880520
You can ride it, fuck it, and if it comes down to it, eat it.

>>33883004
why do I need a horse when I can already do that with my wives

>>33881400
>Get some BFG KO2s.
Don't get BFG ATs, they fucking suck at everything that isn't being long wearing, quiet, and comfortable on road. If you want off road performance and a similar ride, go with Cooper Discoverer ST or ST Maxx tires.

>>33882979
Almost any car can do the same.

>>33882380
I have a diesel that gets 5-10 mpg and a 600 mile range.

>>33882822
Have stock tank(17g) with aux(40g) feeding 3.0L turbodiesel that gets 27/29mpg since implanted with same size tires as in pr. No doubt gonna take a hit when KO2s.
>>33882740
This. Every visit to the jy for my benz addiction includes detour to p/u section where multiple b-series welcome me.
>>33882956
BA, all day long. My grade school principal had one of those and I always thought she was BOSS stomper in that thing.

>>33882822
I'm pushing 1600 mile range with my GMC 1500 even with its thirsty AF 6L V8.
>27gal main tank
>49gal secondary tank
>doesn't intrude on bed space

Oh, for all you Jeep/4Runner/Hilux/Tacoma fags ITT, explain this.

>wife drives 2013 Tacoma, bone stock
>I used to have a 2009 Wrangler, bone stock
>both got at best 18-19mpg highway and 11-13mpg city
Both have fairly small V6's (4.0L and 3.8L respectively).
>I now drive a 2013 Chevy 2500 with the 6.0L gas V8
>it gets 23mpg highway and ~17mpg city
Why do I get SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER gas mileage with the 1300lb+ heavier vehicle with the 33% more displacement engine and lower gears than the other two? Why are V6's such shit at fuel economy? Why would you want a SHTF vehicle that can't even go 300 miles on a single tank? For that matter why would you want ANY vehicle that only has a 15gal tank to start with?

>>33880458
Ford Ranger

>>33883814
Because tacomas are garbage and jeeps have the aerodynamics of a falling brick

>>33883814
>2013 Chevy 2500 with the 6.0L gas V8

>WHY DOES IT HAVE BETTER GAS MILEAGE
Does it have that computer feature where the ECM will turn off two cylinders when you remain at a steady speed? If so that's probably fucking why you meathead.

Other than that, I have no fucking clue.
>>33884200
>tacomas are garbage
I'll pillage your fucking homefront you cunt.

>>33881222
That's terrifying. He almost got enriched.

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>>33884393
There's no fucking way that would do it as even with only 6 cylinders firing it would still be displacing more per stroke than either of the actual V6's while still weighing more, having similar aerodynamics, and having lower gear ratios in the top end.

It also doesn't explain the vastly higher city mileage when it doesn't actually cut out any of the cylinders.

I mean, I know Toyota is fucking famous for having rough and inefficient transmissions in their trucks and SUV's, it's part of the reason they live so long. But the Jeep transmissions have always been solid performers that drag their shit-tier engines up to usable status.
>>33884200
>implying modern pickups don't also have the aerodynamics of a brick

>>33884393
>hey lets take this giant truck
>with its giant engine
>and make it a giant SIX CYLINDER engine part of the time instead of an 8 cylinder engine
>but only part of the time
>even though everything about it is bigger and heavier than the other 6 cylinder engined vehicles he's complaining about that totally explains why it somehow performs better
Maybe you're just retarded?

Lemme guess, you're a Glocksucker and own exclusively Apple electronics too.

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>>33884574
>own exclusively Apple electronics too.

This is my mobile phone.

Hmm I'd bunker down for a while then go pick out whatever's left.

Ain't like I need a title or insurance in this scenario.

>>33884533
>while still weighing more
Go to /o/ and ask, because you aren't giving up the specifics of the trucks for us to compare anyway.

>Bone stock tho
>muh bone stock
How the fuck are we supposed to know if your wife's Taco is an access cab with a long box and your dumbass Chevy is a fucking two-door cheapo? We don't. And you want to pose the question of why the bigger machine sucks less fuel than the smaller ones, while saying nothing of the specifics of the vehicles.

>Muh gear ratios
What about wheels and tires? 4WD or not? Five speed or six? What is each exhaust system like? Does her Taco have a box cover or topper? Does your shitbox have a box cover or taco? (Seriously you have no idea how much wind the box grabs)

Literally anything done to any vehicle will make some change in the fuel economy, so this is going nowhere as is.

>>33884613
A real keyboard. Want :)

>>33883814
The engines and gearing of trucks necessary for them to do their jobs means that smaller trucks aren't really any more efficient than larger ones.

Plus, the higher priced offerings from a manufacturer tend to have newer, more efficient, and more expensive engine designs.

Lastly, you're a shitty driver. I get 21mpg out of a 1999 4.0 V6 with 300k miles. Inferior tech, and worn out to boot, yet better numbers. Your new truck probably has some retard-proofing that offset your lead foot somewhat.

>>33880458
>vehicle of choice for an SHTF situation
My ram powerwagon built out for over landing/search and Rescue. Best comparison is that its a 3/4 tonn Rubicon with real capacity.

>>33881204
>compressionfracture.gif

>>33884722
>The engines and gearing of trucks necessary for them to do their jobs means that smaller trucks aren't really any more efficient than larger ones.

This. I ran into this issue while searching for >>33881340 My dad was on me to get a 2015 Silverado and when I refused, he hit me with that same reasoning along with others.

>>33880458
Holy shit Jeep/Chrysler's been advertising heavily on the gun enthusiast web lately.

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>>33880458

>>33881599
That's completely wrong

>>33884613
> Boost Mobile

Let's all calm down here, Trayvon...

>>33881501

Hilux/Ranger/Navara etc have like 3000kg tow capacity.

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>>33881599
I just took this pic of the area behind the 2nd row of seats in my wrangler unlimited. The back seats also fold down to be flat with the back area, giving you even more room.

>>33882856
Not all roads are highways you fucking moron

>>33885788
anti-Jeepfags BTFO!

>>33885788
>unlimited

Not sure why you're so proud about having about as much cargo area as an Escape. The non-shitty Wranglers are going to have significantly less.

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excluding militar vehicles, this is the closest we can get to being safe moving around a shit hits the fan situation
the best idea would probably be prep up and stay hidden instead of moving, and only move if you have a decently sized support group

>>33883713

How much does it cost you to fill a 253liter tank?

Here it would cost $365AUD

>>33884533

It's probably something to do with the bigger engine being more powerful and having to rev less to achive the same speeds.

A few years ago, a couple of Aussie auto mag jurnos entered a hyper-milage contest with a 350+ kw LS3 powered HSV and ended up winning because they can travel at 100km with ease, barely reving.

>>33884574

>my car uses 100% power at all times, thus reqires all cylinders at all times.

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>>33881362
That's a landcruiser you Mong
I would have a dual cab cruiser

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>>33886330
Can even have a roof rack and an operator canopy on the back

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Rate my 80 series

>>33886386
Cuckruiser

>>33886386
Nice dreamcatcher, fag.

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While you guys are sleeping cramped in some small truck, I'll be resting comfortably in my RV

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Japanese or pre 2000s american, fuck modern Jeeps they are all trash. Personally I own a Suzuki Jimny. Would also recommend a hilux or courier. But if you live in the states a better use of your money might be to buy 15 of that cheap American soil (Montana or somewhere remote) and live in a log cabin for the rest of your days.

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What the fuck, why does no faggot here mentiones the G-Wagon? Are you all retarded?

>>33881637
Don't listen to women about off roading, Rubicons are pretty decent at Rock crawling, but no fucking way would you do rock crawling in SHTF, a broken CV joint could mean you dying. Get something reliable, and modern Jeeps ain't that.

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>>33886474
Have fun trying to find a spare tire and enough fuel for that thing, Suzukilets and Hiluxs will inherit the roads in SHTF.

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>not wanting to drive a Rally Fighter during poopy touch spinny and make all the other marauders jelly as fuck

TOP PLEB

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>Not already being bugged out
>Not spending that 50k on land and a porta cabin and the other 45k on 3 weeks of satellite internet

>>33886386
>>33886431
>dreamcatcher is like so period correct tho, amirite
There's a reason they ain't called pussy-catchers

>>33886474
Cool it der Ricker, everyone else's folks ain't loaded, but fukkya mercedesmassterrace bitches.
>>33886479
>modern jeepies no equal reliable
I don't recall any my's that conjure up thoughts of reliability.
>>33886495
>AUTISM on wheels

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>>33880458
Would Humvee be a good choice for US? i know it's got shit mileage but with the amount of them the us military is fielding finding spare parts would be pretty easy since in any SHTF scenario the military would be deployed all over

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i'll try look as uninteresting as humanly possible

>>33886572
you'd have better luck sticking with a production vehicle. many manufacturers interchange different components between vehicles models; alternators, engine heads, suspensions, etc. even the humvees in the motorpools now don't have all the parts they need to function properly. you'd be better of siphoning the jp-8 and looting the nearly dead batteries from the passenger seat.

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>>33886559
>not wanting a vehicle that can do this

https://youtu.be/gP8rp0yWF4k

Step it up senpai

>>33880458
I see a few factors

A. do you want your vehicle to be a magnet for fire
B. do you want a vehicle that will reasonably withstand small arms fire
C. how much shit/people do you need to move
D. do you need all-terrain?
E. do you need something that can run on alternative fuel? (usually a diesel engine)

at the risk of inciting flaming, the hilux unbreakable meme I think stems from a lack of diversity of vehicles in some regions resulting in an abundance of spare parts.

If you were in an urban area, the roads would almost invariably become impassable in a week, and jammed with traffic within a day
either a 4x4 that could shunt other vehicles out of your way and had a winch for clearing
and something you could drive harder on the outside strip of the road
but honestly the road would not be where you wanted to be anyway

diesel is interesting, most cars couldn't use it but that might not translate to an abundance because people might simply destroy/waste any they found; or use it as regular fuel.
you also coundn't siphon gas tanks, post SHTF every trafic jam will become a hundred litres of gasoline
diesel would also probably cost much less at market

you can synthesize diesel, but this takes significant time and equipment; however long term it's a good option

I feel like car sales yards would remain pretty untouched, since hoarding vehicles wouldn't be of much value and fuel would be scarce
people might initially try to simply steal them for monetary value, but the result would simply be the cars moving as in all likelihood they would be too numerous to hide.
bottom line diesel 4x4's might be scavengable later on

I would probably favour a mercedes 4x4 people mover (...or you know, an ambulance)
then cut the top off an install a gunners platform

if the road is blocked, either nobody is there and you just use a shovel/chainsaw; or it's an ambush and you would have to dismount anyhow

>>33886640
>not driving on the flat ground a couple meters to the side, driving like a fucking retard.
you day dreaming cunts are going to be the first ones to go in shtf, if you want to live for more then 2 weeks stop spending your money on retarded shit and start spending it on a farm and reliable ute.

>>33886640
I was way more interested in those when they were still planning to put a BMW turbodiesel under the hood.

>>33886640
>sandrail with a uselss glass shell
Like I said, autism at highway speeds.
>>33886572
I wouldn't mind a h1, but muh priorities. Just locate your nearest NG or staging facitlty for them. Presto, personal parts yard.
>shit mpg
non-issue when you got acres of palm, sunflower, olive, soy, nuts, corn, get the picture?

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>Jeep
Enjoy your shitty stock axles, engine problems and poorly designed steering. That 4.0 can't go 5 seconds before it overheats unless you cut some fat ass holes in the hood. Don't bother with anything newer than a YJ, and the XJ, WJ, and ZJ are all unibody disposable tin cans.

85 and older Toyota trucks are great.

Any Ford with twin traction beams (First generation Explorers [4.0 OHV a shit tho], OJ Bronco, OBS F150s, etc) is also a good choice.

Avoid newer Chevys because
>lol IFS

Last note, cars are not for offroading. It doesn't matter if you lift and put mud tires on it or whatever, because it will always be a car doing a job that a stock truck will do better with less chances of breaking.

>>33886657
Diesel is best

>>33886809
I really see the short term inability to scavenge fuel as a real downside though

petrol stations will probably be over-run faster than any other kind of building because of their relative remoteness and the short term need of the people who will gather there (as opposed to those who stay at home)

with gasoline every car left in a garage, immobilized or who's owner isn't bulletproof will become a refill

>>33886844
Nah
Everyone wants petrol
Not diesel

>>33886899
what about for their diesel generators?

>>33886899
petrol would clearly be more desirable, but like I said people would take anything they could carry

in the first few hours people would all be taking petrol, so diesel pumps might work
but within an hour panic would overtake and neither would be accessible reliably

>>33885732
Until you're trying to get that 3000kg going at 100km/h because your country is twice as wide as Europe and you'd like to get to your destination sometime this century, or trying to get that 3000kg stopped on the tiny-assed brake rotors they put in them.

>>33884706
It's terrible. I had that awful thing years ago.

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Do you guys are real?
The only true choice here is pic related

>>33881222
Where did this happen?
speed and date format makes me think Euro or South America

>>33886625
>siphoning the jp-8

What the fuck for? That shit is way too flammable for average joe to be fucking around with.

>>33884532
I have decided

this is my new SHTF vehicle... I'll be so drunk I won't care.

>>33887540
That is France

>>33885124
nope, it's true. You couldn't even fit a rifle in his two door wrangler's trunk

>>33887554
why not? don't you want a flame thrower?

>>33885788
should have said my friend has a two door. it has about half that space in the trunk

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>>33887383

>>33881558
>having any jeep but wrangler, cj or xj

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Friendly reminder, Jeeps are garbage.

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>>33887887
>>33887896
>>33887905
>>33887911

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>>33881637
>She said
Wew. There's the problem right there.

>>33888046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYycwWwYaZU

If there are any hybrid electric SUVs, that. Gasoline only lasts for a few months, my car can go significantly farther away from civ with a single tank, and I can hope to one day recharge the battery with generators

>>33881275
>portal Axle
>useless
I bet all the off roading you've done was just dirt trails.

>>33881423
>unibody

>>33881022
Hiluxies are a massive meme. We used to own a fleet worth in the old country, they're just the best easily avaliable truck in the area. They're really not that good.

The reliability is also severely overblown, they're maybe above average, but nothing special. I used to work on our fleet, with the kind of treatment a fleet vehicle gets its pretty quick to see the Hiluxies true reliability.

The most reliable trucks we had where Suzuki Kie trucks, they where nearly indestructible. Mostly because they where so simply.
>3 cylinder 2 stroke, carburetor
>solid axle all around
>A Fucking Leaf springs

Also our Hiluxies p/w was shit, diesel or gasser, but gas was worst. Another thing, during thar dust storms, don't drive the car without special filters.

Tldr only reason sand niggers like Hiluxies is cos it's all they have.

>>33886188
There's nothing wrong with the unlimited. People just parrot what they hear others say on 4chan. They are very capable off road and offer plenty of room. 4chan is full of idiots though and is upset that it doesn't have the interior space of an RV

>>33886188
We'll I had a two door TJ before so this is a lot of room in comparison

>>33887540
France, probably calais.

>>33880505
http://www.jkowners.com/forum/jk-general-discussion/63571-jk-hate.html#/topics/63571?page=3

You're an idiot

>>33888232
>I don't know shit about offroad modification

>>33886251
Not him, but that much gas would cost you about 148 where I live. Gas is about 2.20 a gallon.

JEEP
BEEP
JEEP
BEEP
JEEP

>>33884533
>jeeps are known for having strong transmissions that bring their shit motors up to par
But it's literally the opposite you fucking mongoloid. The 4.0 I6 is a legendary motor, it's ranked with the 426 Hemi for best motors chrysler has ever made. The transmissions are what fucking suck in them.
>OHV non-interference chain/gear driven motor
>bad

The blatant fanboyism in this thread is pretty disgusting too fampai. I own a JK and it does have flaws, mostly in electrical and oil consumption(which is nothing you can't manage if you aren't an idiot), outside of that it's fine. Buy the fucking car that suits your needs or wants, not what some nogunz nocar faggot incorrectly claims is GOAT

>>33889289
Stop being rational on 4chan

some tiny dualsport/enduro
light enough to carry over obstacles
fuel efficient
can find parts in any suburban white family's shed

>>33881340
>owning the worst compact truck
>shiggy

>>33884393
>tacomas are garbage

they are. they are rated the worst small truck of 2017

>>33880535
People keep perpetuating this meme but consumer reports say otherwise. Jeep isnt even in the top 10. They aren't necessarily a bad choice but i think we can do better

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>>33891049
>but i think we can do better
You got that right.

>>33891049
Sources
http://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

>>33891146
>yfw "The Patriot was the only Jeep model to score average or better in our reliability survey."

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>>33880458
if you think I'm going to stop driving in style just because the world's ending, you're wrong mister

>>33887383
Sneezy, breezy, mc....deluxe.

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>>33886330
>>33886343
I wish we could get these in the US so fucking bad.

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>>33880505
>If you're going to get a Jeep, get a CJ series.

Thats really bad advice desu. The early CJ's were built fairly well with heavy duty cast iron transmission and transfer cases. But they still had shit tier axles (which is fixable). Stay away from the 80's CJ's they had shit transmissions.

Early YJ's had shit transmissions and a carbed 258 which while a good engine and has good torque is a fucking turd on the street. Best YJ's were 91-94 with the 4.0 (these were also the best 4.0's).

TJ's are kinda wonky the early ones were good but then Chrysler started going to hell and lightened up the 4.0 rotating assembly to increase gas mileage and they are fairly well known for cracking piston skirts and knocking. Somewhere around 1999-2000 they changed the head and they are very well known for heads cracking. Then coolent contaminates the oil and takes out the main bearings. Then the late TJ's had 6 speeds that are SHIT! The AX15 and NV3550 trannies were good avoid that POS 6 speed!

And avoid the JK all together. The Dana 48's are good axles but the engines and trannies are shit. And you can not swap a better transmission in because no one makes adapters and probably never will. To relly build a JK the first step is to gust the drive train and start over. But even then the JK is just to big and bulky to take where you can take CJ's YJ's and TJ's.

JK's are for fags

>>33887833
>XJ
Stop pushing this piece of garbage.

>>33888232
Unibody isn't the problem, the fact that it's weak Jeepshit is the problem.

>>33880984

Nice choice man I have a 2016 TRD Pro Offroad and I love the thing. Never gotten stuck once.

>>33881204

That was a brand new F-150 Raptor he probably bend the frame and it's totaled. I wonder what he's going to tell the insurance company.

I'm surprised no one here has said Pinzgauer yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinzgauer_High-Mobility_All-Terrain_Vehicle

I once ran into a couple that were driving from the tip of South America up to Alaska just for the fun of it in one of these things.

>>33892529
I am not a huge XJ fan as far as taking them offroad but i have friends that do. They are cheap and work well, weld some plate to the unibody to stiffen it up and you have a capable 4x4. Yeah jeep axles suck but i have a YJ that i have ran 33's on for years and wheeled it fairly heavy and never broke a shaft. I did blow the spider gears and took out the carrier while racing a S10 once but that was because i dumped the clutch and shock loaded it. If you avoid shock loading you can make shafts last. If you are full blown retard and like dumping the clutch then expect shit to fail.

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>>33880458
Let's not kid ourselves. This Business would be Booming.

>>33886763
>That 4.0 can't go 5 seconds before it overheats unless you cut some fat ass holes in the hood.

I have a friend that had 4.0's that overheat but he ran straight water in them and rusted the cooling system to the point i tried to help him flush it and it ran chocolate milk out for 15 minutes.

I have owned 5 different jeeps with 4.0's and never had a over heating problem out of any of them.

>>33892778
>drive mad-maxed V8 hearse with M2 and flamethrower mounts
>walk around armed to the teeth
>clean up disgusting, rotten corpses, make money off their loot
>if someone fucks with you inform them that you get paid by the body
>be known as "The Undertaker"

I don't care what horrible smells I get from the bodies, that is just too damn cool in my head not to do.

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1986 Toyota Celica. It's a Toyota, so the engine lasts forever. Simple electronics, plentiful spare parts, engine swaps are easy if necessary. Can and will haul ass, easily transformed into the ultimate rally-mobile pre-SHTF for maximum /o/.

>>33886763
>4.0 OHV a shit tho

Maybe if all you consider is power, but the 4.0 OHV is nearly unkillable. However, it way mostly attached to garbage transmissions.

>>33886907
>panic buying or scavenging fuel in the first 72 hours
>having a generator
Pick one.

Also less than 1% of US households have any form of generator, 40% of those have whole-home LP/NG generators, and the remainder have tiny low-amp portables for power tools that couldn't run a fridge or electric stove and are basically worthless in SHTF.

>>33893728
>However, it way mostly attached to garbage transmissions.

Same transmissions Toyota used in their trucks (AX15/AW4), part of the reliability of Toyota trucks is they don't have enough power to hurt themselves.

>>33886251
Gas fluctuates about 30 cents a gallon within a week here, so it depends. Right now I can get gas for $1.88 a gallon, so approximately $143 assuming both tanks were completely bone dry.

Which, considering that even though I'm driving multiple hours a day, I only have to fill up once every other week. So it's not bad.

>>33893751
>Same transmissions Toyota used in their trucks (AX15/AW4)

You're talking about AMC engines, I'm talking about the Ford Cologne V6 which was mostly connected to C3 derivatives.

>>33892683
Having been in a Pinzgauer, I can tell you with 100% certainty there is absolutely nothing fun about any part of that vehicle.

That being said, if you can stand having a top speed of 40 km/h they are about as undeadable as anything with a combustion engine can be.

Guys I have a KJ, please make fun of me.

>>33893787

My bad, my friends got a ford sporttrac with the 4.0 V6. He thought it was close to death because of something to do with the cam chains and they were impossible to replace without pulling the engine. So he was just going to drive it till it failed and it just keeps going. 4.0 V6 almost seems like a decent engine if it wasn't for that but i don't really work on fords i stick to jeeps.

>>33893830
The SOHC model was noticeable less reliable than the pushrod version.

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>>33881204
May not handle this, but it's not that fast.

>>33881222
Would definitely handle this.

Pros: Solid axles, 4x4, mechanical diesel, no computer, 600 mile range, comfy place to shoot from in rear

Cons: Old rare trucks call attention, heavy (6,000 lbs) but lighter than modern diesels, can only hold 2 passengers in cab and not comfortably, spare parts can be difficult to find

>>33893810

This couples was way upgraded it was basically a camper. They weren't just driving straight through either he was something like 8 months into the journey just taking his sweet time visiting all the parks out west. To this day I wonder if they had finally driven the Dalton Hwy to Prudoe Bay.

>>33893820

a Liberty? hmm... i wouldent take one off road but my aunt had one with the 3.7 and she put a lot of miles on it and it was very reliable. But i have also heard horror stories about them being unreliable pos nightmares. I would own one with the diesel though.

>>33893937
So far I haven't had too many issues except for a fugged radiator and some seals that had to be replaced. Hopefully that'll be the end of it.

would definitely want this
>>33893539
over this
>>33893876
for the sake of being able to go between the front & back without having to get out of the vehicle

>>33893988

The KJ is still a better looking vehicle than the JK for what it's worth.

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>>33894008
It has a sliding rear window on the cab and shell... it can be done, but only in crisis situations. On the plus side it has a full 8x4 bed to hold your shit. There is a below the rail weather guard tool box back there now, so I've got about 6.5 feet. I've slept back there, very comfy, a few times.

>>33881612

>You'd be hard-pressed to find a better off-road capable vehicle straight from the factory.

I would take literally almost any full size foreign or domestic 4wd truck over a jeep. new jeeps are dog shit.

>>33894714

the new jeep axles are actually really good beefed up Dana 44's with bigger gears they Dana actually calls them Dana 48's. But thats where the good ends and the shit begins unfortunately.

>>33881340

IMO Tacoma is the right answer. Tacos, kebabs, and noodles from all over cannot seem to break them.

>>33886343

Definitive /k/ vehicle.

>>33881620

This.

>>33882380

IIRC they also had a low range gearbox option. No manual lockers but I imagine you could do well enough with LSDs instead. There's a dude with a Forester stateside that's running that setup for light offroading.

You could also look at the Suzuki Vitara, SX4, and some of their other models.

>>33883623

Pics of setup on your tanks? What vehicle? Also pics of >>33883713 pls

>>33886386

heavy/10 Or were they much lighter way on the first gen?

>>33894714
>>33894834

>being able to remotely hack the vehicles' systems while it's moving

nty.

>>33895168
>heavy/10 Or were they much lighter way on the first gen?
What are you talking about, you moron?

>>33894161
I have seen this thing before
what is it?
I need it

>>33895168
>>being able to remotely hack the vehicles' systems while it's moving
>nty.

Just out of curiosity in what SHTF scenario is your car being remotely 'hacked' a concern. Independence Day?

>>33880458

Van with plug-in hybrid drivetrain and solar panels on top.

Just drive away from trouble.

any answer that isnt a tank is shit

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to be true, the Zuks are pretty good...here is mine.

Offroad tested.

>>33880458
>Bikes are great for SHTF, not requiring gasoline or as much maintenance. But let's say you've already got a bike and are going to get a motorized vehicle. What would it be?

Buy a pickup truck so you can carry the bike in the trunk. Now you have more autonomy and you can ride the bike in places where the truck can't go.

>>33881204
>>33881569
>>33892595
I've seen the video of that before, truck was totaled, bent frame and a lot of other shit. Actually, a guy bought the truck for next to nothing and spent a fuckload of money fixing it up. It cost him a lot to get it like new again but when it was all said and done he still had a F150 Raptor for well below msrp. I personally wouldn't trust the frame even after that but yolo. He posted all about the repairs on a forum somewhere. I'm too lazy but you can probably find it pretty easily.

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>>33880458
What is it with fancy boy mall cruiser jeep drivers that want to stuff the most massive tires under their jeep? Do they have no idea how the suspension works?
My zj has a 5 inch lift and 31x10.5. I would hesitate to even go up to 33's cause as it is now I can stuff one tire in the wheel well without losing my spring on the other side. Any more tire and I'm just losing travel / articulation
Jeep in OP couldn't go over a curb without stuffing a tire and be stopped or shred all the knows off

Pic related, far from full stuff here

>>33896429
Knobs off*

>>33894834
See >>33891146
>>33891222
New jeeps btfo

>A SHTF situation
Can this meme just fucking die? I mean it's such a gay acronym. It's nearly as cringe worth as "bug-out".

AHM ANNNN ARMERRRICAAAAANN AN I'M GONNA BUUUUUG OUT WHEN SHIEET HITS DA FAAAAANNNN

>>33881222
Europe looks so nice this time of year.

>>33884613
Are you poor, old or just socially retarded?

>>33896634
what would you call it then?

>>33880458
i would go for an old 2.5 ton military truck. they can go ~500 miles on a tank of gas and you can armor them up and add bullet proof glass and a much larger gas tank in the back and mad max your way all the way across the us

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>>33896835
forgot pic. also they are pretty cheap. this one is only 10k on atlantic firearms

>>33896816
LARPing

>>33886899
>>33886976
just remember petrol will degrade over time significantly more than diesel, and with no new fuel production, your only hope for fresh fuel is millitary supply. petrol would be great for simplicity but it wouldnt last a month. inb4 400 bottles of octane boost

>>33896936
i live in moonshine country, and drive a flex fuel vehicle.

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>so much JKU hate
poorfag NEETs who drive their mom's hand-me-down Dodge Stratus are mad they won't survive SHTF. Also probably nogunz. Stay mad peasants

>>33880535
>implying jeeps aren't repair-prone nightmares
every single time my buddies have taken me 4-wheeling in their jeeps, at least one of the jeeps needs a repair after, or breaks down on the trail

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>>33897120
yea the consumer reliability reports for jeep dont look good

>>33895384
lols

>>33895168
>pics if setup on your tanks? What vehicle?
picrelated -> >>33882684 is of stock config before any modification was done. I'm not near machine with pics of completed work, but just think diamond-plate truck bed toolbox and that pretty much describes the placement of the aux. tank. Went with poly instead of al.

>>33897075
>wanting to survive shtf

Lol ok.

It might be fun to rape and kill for a month or so, then it's just going to be The Road for a few years until you die from the flu.

Also your JK with shit mileage is gonna get you killed when you have to stop for gas.

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Theres a few quarries in my area.

>>33897126
they never have

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>>33895335
1990 Dodge W250, with Cummins, AKA First Gen Cummins. I'd recommend the 1991.5-1993 model years because they came with intercoolers, 7mm injectors (head is less prone to cracking vs the early 9mm), overdrive transmission (there can be problems with the sensor to go into od, but it can be manually bypassed, they have 3.5 gears in the axles for the auto vs 3.08 in the early ones cause no OD only 3 gears, better radiators...

I picked up this 90 cause it had low milage for a 26 year old diesel and was in good condition, and price was fair. The early ones are even simpler and easier to get power out of, larger injectors. But if I had to do it all over again I'd hunt for a newer first gen with the getrag manual in good shape.

The canoe is an Alumacraft 17, old as fuck, from the 60s or 70s.

>>33897075
sweet tires

>>33896936
Even sitting stagnant, your standard 86-89 octane gasoline is good for between 4 and 6 months depending on storage temperature. Higher octanes last a bit longer, but not enough to really matter.

With recirculation (either manual by shaking your gas cans for 30 seconds once a week or powered in a storage tank) it's good nearly indefinitely.

Gasoline stores better in temperature extremes than diesel does. Extreme high heat (100*F+) or extreme low temperature (below freezing) for longer than a few minutes a day and diesel will precipitate paraffin and either gel or separate in a matter of a few weeks if not recirculated constantly.

>>33895168
27gal tank is standard factory tank. Secondary tank is a poly tank that sits on the passenger side of the bed in the bed skirt so I don't lose cargo capacity, and is command-switch-drain only (use it to top off main tank, can't run straight off of it) due to rupture and fire concerns in event of a collision.

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>>33882889
I've actually seen one of these in person as a kid in Russia

>>33899679
>nearly indefinitely
src pls
>gel or separate in few weeks
uhmmm, NO. Dumping some winterizer in = far simpler than rigging up some rubed goldberged contraption to shakeshakeshake your gas.
>have autos with half to full tanks that sit for entire year
>fires up and runs everytime
Wanna know how I know?

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obviously a Lada niva everyone else btfo

(or maybe an UAZ)

>>33900184
Just swap out the shitty engines and you're good.

A van. Lots of storage, easy to armor, and heavy enough to smash through crowds

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>>33900295
Like an E350 4x4?

>>33900184
aw fuck man my dad had one when i was younger (britbong) and we would just roll about in it. Great vehicle.

>>33899697

Gotcha. When I buy my Outback, I'm going to add an 8 gal fuel cell in the spare wheel well with that same setup--feeding fuel to the main tank. Only inconvenience is filling it up, but it'll be a contingency tank. I don't want gas cans inside the cabin or hanging around outside where they'll get stolen or damaged.

>>33897263

Nice.

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>>33901065

>>33893843
The 4.0 SOHC is a kick ass engine desu.

>>33880505
Poorfag detected

>>33880587
My JK Wrangler Unlimited is *JUST* long enough to comfortably sleep in.

>>33886763
GM IFS works better than Dodge straight axle and you can't get the straight axle unless you buy a 2500.

Just sleeve the tierods.

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Reserved.

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>>33897075

>bragging about driving a jeep minivan
shiggity

>>33904037
>GM IFS works

lol, no it dont

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>>33880458
Russian prototype, btr chassey housed on a russian military truck.

>>33895696
David?

>>33891825
Never eva

>>33907183
Randy?

I got about $13k cash to get a new vehicle to replace my 23 year old xj, anyone got recommendations?

looking for something that can do a bit of offroad every weekend and carry my gear

>>33881378
This, or a Nissan Patrol.

Diesel would be good for biofuel in shtf, and you could have a diesel generator as well.

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>>33880458
This. Mad Max FTW.

>>33907249
Terrance?

>>33907303
wheres the titty decal?

>>33907303
Wouldn't those eat through fuel like crazy though?

I've always assumed flying vehicles of all kinds were extremely fuel-hungry. Not sure if true though.

>>33907315
Compared to a four wheeling jeep, much more fuel efficient.

>>33882960
I desire this greatly

>>33907315
each propeller is like turning one wheel so it only needs 1/4 as much gas

>>33907303
although you would have to ditch the family and lots of gear to use this.

>>33907346
this is true, he's proved it with math y'all

>>33880937
they're weak and gay. enjoy your premium gas toy that can't even get through snowy roads

>>33907303
Does that thing actually work?

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FJ80 landcruiser or Jeep wrangler