I read on /k/ that Arsenal AKs are the best consumer AKs on the

>>33875060
>arsenal
Pft if you dont get a century ras47 you're a fucking pleb

if you want a factory built and high fit/finish gun then arsenal is probably your brand

if you want a cheap beater that you can trash like anyone who wants an AK does, get a parts built rifle from century or something

>>33875146
I want something durable and reliable as fuck for shtf

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>>33875181

New WASR-10

>>33875327
Is that more durable than Arsenal?

Also what brands of AK are the easiest to find replacement parts for? I heard not all of them are compatible with each other

>>33875130
>obvious troll is obvious
Try harder pls. At least IO.
>>33875327
Eh... they're midrange. Better than cheapass Century, but not as good as the Arsenal.
>>33875346
No.
>>33875356
Arsenal, Century, DDI, milsurps/parts kits are the easiest to replace. Just watch out for RPK type receivers as they require their own shit, don't buy the Saigas, and Molot VEPRs have their own proprietary shit.

Akg threads have an ok sticky on ak brands and their qualitym

>>33875783
>don't buy the Saigas
I thought /k/ liked Saigas. Do they not have as standardized of parts or what?

>Arsenal, Century, DDI, milsurps/parts kits are the easiest to replace.
>Century
Century built, or Century imports, or both?

>avoid RPK receivers
Sorry if stupid question, I am new to guns, but how do I know if it's an RPK receiver?

>>33875783
>>33877663
Oh also
I read in the akg paste that stamped AKs are easier to find replacement parts for than milled AKs
But from what I can see, Arsenal AKs are milled
So.. are there stamped Arsenal AKs that I should look for, or are replacement parts most common for milled Arsenal AKs?

Kalashnikov USA are the best AKs just get one of those bro, I got one a few years back and the things a work horse. Love it to death.

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>>33877777
Not sure if wasted get

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>>33877777
>Kalashnikov USA are the best AKs

How can I determine if an AK is stamped or milled?

>>33877851
if it has a stamped receiver, it is stamped. if it has a milled receiver it's milled.

>>33877879
Yes but how can I tell by looking at it? What do they look like?

>>33875060
They're well built but have a shit finish, consider it if you want to cerakote it.

>>33875130
Stop.

>>33875327
Current ones are ok but overpriced, especially considering they still occasionally come with canted sights.

>>33875346
No.

>>33875356
Generally Yugos and Veprs don't take all parts.

>>33875783
Century imports and retrofits WASRs.

>>33877574
Saigas are well made, but no longer imported, and need to be converted for pistol grips and normal stocks.
Vepr is the same but still imported.

>>33877893
Google images. it's not hard to tell the two apart.

>>33877893
Milled receivers have a lightening cut above the magwell.

RPK receivers have a reinforced trunnion, visible under the ejection port.

Does /k/ agree that a stamped Arsenal AK is the best SHTF rifle?

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>>33875346
No. The Arsenal is a somewhat more reliable gun than WASRs and Yugo AKs. Where it really leaves them in the dust is build quality though.

New (and only new) WASRs are okay guns, but if you can affod the Arsenal, get the Arsenal.

Don't let poorfags lead you astray

>>33875060
>the best
>>33875060
>Is this true?

No. There are other good ones. Arsenal is just the easiest to fight right now, it seems.

WASR-10 is worth looking at, no matter what any fuckhead tells you. Veprs are also worth it.

How can I tell what caliber an AK is chambered for?

>>33875130
Fpbp

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>>33877893
Here you go,
Stamped is a flat piece of metal that is then folded into the shape of the receiver. Stamped will have trunions riveted into the receiver.

Milled is a single block of metal that is then milled out by a machine to the shape of receiver. Milled will not have inserted trunions as they are machined out of the block.

>>33877941
>RPK receivers have a reinforced trunnion, visible under the ejection port.
For someone who is very new to guns, is this easy to tell? Is there any other way to tell if it's an RPK receiver, like would it be labeled as such on the receiver?

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>>33878087
The magazines.

7.62x54mmR is very curved, and usually not very long
7.62x39mm has the typical classic curve
5.45x39mm curves quite a lot less
5.56x45mm/.223 is much straighter
7.62x51mm/.308 is fully straight

12 Gauge, 20 Gauge and .410 Bore AK shotguns tend to have very squared and bulky mags that sort of "lean forward" at an angle, and are almost always made out of plastic. AK shotguns also tend to have much larger ejection ports.

>>33878087

It says on the sids

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>>33875060
Arsenal is what you should be looking at if you want a good AK.

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>>33879793
Yes. See the raised rectangle with a rivet that the arrow points at? This is the enlarged, reinforced trunnion typical to an RPK style of receiver.

This isn't necessarily a drawback as this makes the receiver super sturdy, at a cost of a bit more weight and not as much aftermarket compatibility.

Yugoslavian/Serbian AKs are typically built on an altered RPK pattern of receiver, and while this means vastly less aftermarket options, it hardly means none, and the guns can take lots of abuse.

>>33875130

On the level of I.O. shill dumbasses that are deluded into thinking they have good AKs. If you don't get a good AK, then you are a piece of shit and you need to commit sudoku.

>>33877777

>scam AKs

What a total fuckup.

>>33875783
>>33877663

Yeah what's up with Saigas? Made in Russia at Izhmash, how is that not legit? A good part of the reason I bought my converted Saiga was to avoid the dicking with that century imported rifles can receive since they're barely modified from their export form (at least receiver, barrel, bolt, etc)

>>33881348
Saigas are fine rifles but haven't been imported in years, thus are up high in price.

Vepr.

>>33875181
Ar-15

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>>33881365

Thus why I'm so glad I bought mine when I did, already fully converted for $750 from Atlantic, a few months before the import ban

>>33881220
What if I don't have any AK, neither a good or bad AK [spoiler]because I am poor and am scared of guns[/spoiler]?

>>33875783
>>33877907
>>33878021
How is Arsenal more durable than a WASR? I understand that the Arsenal has better fit and whatnot, but durability? Really? They all have the same processes and materials to make the bolts, barrels, ect, right?

>>33875060
Arsenal used to be best the best the best, but then they started fucking up on QC. They're still upper tier, but VEPR is best tier.
Century imports will likely have canted gas blocks, which means misaligned sights.
IO is to be avoided like the fucking plague.

>>33882341
Not really, no.
Century imports a shitload of parts and then bends their own receivers. There's no guarantee that everything fits together correctly, and Century parts will be the lowest quality of production, second only to IO.
Modern production standards > Soviet BUILD MILLIONS ONE DAY WORKER TOVARISH OR NO VODKA AND BREAD STAMP

are DDI aks good? eric from iraqveteran8888 has one and he said its one of his fav guns so it must be good right

>>33882304
still better than I.O.

>>33882451
Huh. I thought WASR receivers were made in Romania

>>33882485
922r prohibits that sort of thing. Wasrs are manufactured as "sporting rifles" and can't take doublestack mags. importers then either replace or machine the receiver and some other components to unfuck it after import and avoid 922r

Honestly Don't get an Arsenal unless you can inspect it. Nowhere within 50 miles of me carried Arsenal when I got mine, so I had to buy online. I got a rifle with sights canted all the way right, a gas tube canted left, and the crown was chipped badly. None of this is covered by warranty because it's "within spec".

>>33882507
This alone has prevented me from buying an SLR104 for like two years.

>>33882513
Honestly, it works, so I'm not too mad at the sights, but when I saw the crown as well ontop of it all I was absolutely furious.

>>33882507
can u fix it

>>33882503
That's exactly how I thought it worked, except I didn't know they ever replaced the receiver. I thought the single stack well was always opened up, and some parts were replaced with American made compliant "assault" parts, like a pistol grip

>>33882503
Century is the exclusive importer, they only mill out the mag well and replace parts for 922r, everything besides the trigger and gas piston are romanian

>Modern production standards > Soviet BUILD MILLIONS ONE DAY WORKER TOVARISH OR NO VODKA AND BREAD STAMP
explains why there are so man american's making such great ak's :^)

>>33882485
They are made in romania, century only replaces the trigger, gas piston, mag for 922r and mills out the mag well to take double stack mags.


>>33882563
They don't replace the receiver, they come in with a regular pistol grip and stock and they just open up the mag well and replace a few parts.

Cigur is a major exporter of AK's to the middle east, sand niggers are getting the exact same wasr's as we are getting, some semi auto at that as well.

I would get one over an arsenal because arsenal's QC looks horrific and that Battlefield las vegas has several of them and they have no issues until about 80k rounds with rails cracking, and they just weld them and they are ok. They say some of theirs are at 100k with the barrel still not keyholing.

>>33882777
Battlefield las vegas has wasrs to clarify.

>>33882451
Also to clarify, century never made wasrs, the old ones were romanian full auto ak's that got demilled and rebuilt into semi auto guns in romania by cigur. Century only did 922r/magwell stuff.

>>33875181
Summer here already?

>>33881348
They're okay, I don't know where the idea that they're super high quality came from though. These are not the same as real russian aks, they're made for export, they're just run of the mill aks by the time they're converted. Arsenal SGLs are the pinnacle of what a saiga can be but even they were about $200 less than an slr series rifle and billed as the budget option

>>33882507
Canted shit is the lot of any ak manufacturer that isn't a small custom shop, it should still shoot straight though

I bought me an Arsenal Sam7r.

I just went to the range today had one problem. Shot 150 rounds of Wolf shit ammo with no feeding issues with the exception of being a little light on the handle with the second mag.

Great gun! I had a pretty good grouping at 50 yards with base sights. I plan on getting a rail and a scope but ill say the gun ran great. Mag dumped 2 30 round mags and still got a good grouping.

I must say a better gun than my AR.

>>33882955
They got banned from import so people somehow assume the are better I would guess.

I heard that old norincos were pretty run of the mill average compared to other actually factory build ak's in the 80's-90's. Excluding polytech legends of course

>>33882985
>Light on the handle
What?

>>33882993
As far as I remember they were considered the only way to get a "real deal Russian" ak but I remember people saying they really depended on who did the conversions because 90% of them were done by hacks in their garage or by a company who's never worked with AKs trying to make a quick buck importing sporters and flipping converted rifles

>>33882997
Charging handle.

>>33882985
Looks like we have a barfcom visitor

>>33882955

Oh I never thought of them as "super high quality". I just wanted one that would be good, as in no stupid bullshit out of the box, or 500 rounds in.

>>33881033
This, have a 21 and a 31(Plastic stocks, non folders).

>>33884409
where did u buy and did they have canted sights

>>33875060
Get a Vepr FM AK47-11. Heavier and no magwell dimples, but built like a tank.

>>33875060
As in being made at this moment, it is the best AK on still being imported. The VEPR is just as good (and more then likely better) but I feel like that's not fair because it is made like an RPK and not exactly like an AK. It would be like comparing a regular AR to a gas piston system, they are the totally different. The better accuracy, durability, and integrity of the VEPR comes at the cost of weight.

There are certainly better AKs out there, but some of them don't have modern features like a dovetail mount. The best AK that can be bought right now (outside of Shekel Dynamics or parts kits or whatever) is IMO the SGL-21. But they can only be bought second hand because sanctions made it kill.

>>33882451
>>33882503
No, you fucking tard, WASR receivers are made in Romania, they're made with single-stack magwells there, then Century makes the magwell double-stack once it's in the US.

They used to be extremely shit at doing this exact thing but they've kind of learned to not fuck that up.

>>33882985
Yeah, they can be quite well made, but if you're really invested in this rifle, I'd look at having it refinished because the factory finish is really pretty weak.

>>33882341
WASR is typical stamped receiver, Arsenal have particularly strong forged receivers available.

Both are pretty beefy though.