>last thread was killed in our sleep by 3 simultaneous cringe

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>>33855996
Rifle portion!

Come all ye Euros, poorfags, and youngsters!

>>33856000
Printer friendly B8

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>>33856025
goddamnit.

Printer friendly B8 for real this time.

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>>33856031
Printer friendly B3

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>at the range
>have no objective goal as to what I want to do
>tfw want a structured range session but cannot concentrate and just waste ammo

top it off with 90 degree heat that just wears me the fuck down right after I'm done setting up

>>33856509
Have you tried not being a fat sack of lazy shit?

There's children in Europe with no access to guns and you have a range, yet you complain about as you stand on the 5yd line wasting ammo like a retard. Shameful.

>>33856509
Take a friend and make it a friendly competition.

Do drills.

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Need to stock back up on ammo and get these drills done.

>>33856659
Dicks has automatch for $19 a box if you wanna shoot it with your Ruger.
>or buy Thunderbolts for super realistic ball and dummy drills

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>>33856595
Thanks for resurrecting the thread CG, hopefully you get less flooded soon

I shot Sweet 16 HARD MODE this morning and set a new PB

Started at the 10 yard line, made 9 hits, final score of 18 points

I will upload footage after work

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>>33856881
And my current PB for EZ MODE

15 yard start, 11 hits, score of 25 points - the two ultra ugly fliers were my last two shots at the 26 - FULL PANIC MODE

>>33856830
Neat. I need to pick some up. I'm still sitting on a bunch of CCI, but you can't have too much 22

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>>33856890
And here are the results from MONTH 1 DOTM

I think we should keep the FBI bull as a permanent month to month staple, since people seem to like to shoot it, what do you say?

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>>33856890
Totally understand the panic mode.

Here's my current PB for hardmode

>>33856919
Starting distance? I forget what you started at last time, the 20? so six hits and a score of 25 points I think?

>>33856935
Hardmode I started at 15 and ended at 20.

I'm not counting the nick because I didn't see it and didn't move the target back.

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>>33856950
Here's my best normal mode.

Again, started at 15

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>>33856979
I really needed to be shooting at them portrait mode instead of landscape, was getting more vertical stringing than I'm used to.

And because I'm me, heres my Contender target.
>started at 50
>missed 1x at 62 low

>>33856991
>I really needed to be shooting at them portrait mode instead of landscape, was getting more vertical stringing than I'm used to.

I quickly discovered portrait orientation took a bit of the stress off. Lovely shooting m8

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>>33856902
FBI Bull qual rules for anyone who wants to try it for the first time, or again, B8 is up thread

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>>33856979
What caliber is that contender? Seems like a fun gun to shoot.

Also, I found out one of my patients has a transferable FA Uzi he bought in the 80s before the machine gun ban.

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IT'S HERE FINALLY

>>33857920
What's that going on? Do You have a threaded barrel for the P30?

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>>33857971
I don't have a P30, just two P30Ls - it is going on my greymarket USP9c LEM w/ safety w/ INForce APL WML

3 days for the rail adapter and bbl, SO fucking pumped

I would have put it on a P30L as well but the bbl's have been sold out for eternity.

>>33857187
7mm tcu

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>>33858000
Neat. I probably needed to be more specific as to which model of P30 i meant. I need to start looking into a suppressor for my USP45.

Probably a dumb question, but what's a greymarket USP?

>>33857187
It's a 7mm T/CU, which is basically a .223rem brass necked up to 7mm with the shoulder blown out a bit sharper. Currently loaded with 100gr Sierra Varminters since that's my fireforming load for new brass, it doesn't have the knockdown power of my normal 160gr TMK but it's accurate and cheap.

For being a rifle caliber in a pistol it's quite tame on recoil. Probably at least mostly because the gun weighs a lot. It's more pleasant to shoot than .357mag from a 4" wheelgun.

>>33859513
It's just slang for a USP not originally intended for USA public sales.

This was the "classic arms" run of USPs that were meant for some euro PD, hence being LEM but with an ambi safety, they were up for $550 NIB - but some shit import company engraved their garbage name on the left side of the slide.

Happy to say mine's still NIB and the first shots out of it will be run with an aftermarket bbl and a can

>>33859661
Oh that's cool. Ought to be a cool shooter.

>>33859644
That's pretty interesting. Are they used for anything other than target shooting? I just don't see a bunch of them around here.

how do you guys print these out? i see that they are size B3/8 sizes. I just don't know where i would go to get them printed.

>>33859892
I hunt with mine as well. That particular caliber was made specifically for metallic silhouette but with the right bullet it works for up through deer.

Contenders can be chambered in everything under .308 pressure and up to 20ga diameter, including .45-70 and .500s&w. Encores and G2s with their reinforced, wider frames can be chambered in everything up to the modern ultramags based on .404 jeffrey as well as 12ga but their much-simplified trigger mechanism can't be made as nice.

>tfw no longer flooded in
Yay

>>33859934
personal printer or hit up office max or any copy store - 8.5x11 is really cheap to have printed - ask for the cheapest paper quality and print process.

Also DOTM 2 Sweet 16 can be done with a scrap piece of carboard and a $4 stack of 3"x5' note cards, staple gun or scotch tape

>>33859892
I think so too - normally I'm a "one gun for everything, all the time" guy but it will probably turn in to my night stand gun.

>>33859934
Print at home or anywhere else that has regular printers. They're designed to work with home Laserjet printers and standard copy paper.

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>>33856000
>Filling out 4473 for M1 Garand right this moment
>Totally ready to rock this shit

>>33859994
>>33859995
Im sorry i think I'm confused.
I thought the posts labelled B3 and B8 means that only printers that can print B3 or B8 respectively can print them out.
But both of you are saying i can use a regular, A4(8.5 x 11inhc), printer to print them.

>>33860222
noice m8 - we need RDOTM folks

>>33860232
Those targets have been adjusted to print correctly on 8x5x11 to keep it cheap and easy for everyone - they are the right size (at least the B8 not a big user of the B3, but I'm sure it's right) they have just been cropped to fit

>>33860254
Thanks that clarified it for me. B8 and B3 are the names or labels for the targets, i thought it was the type of printer that could print them.

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Bumping with obnoxious holster colors.

Work cleared up. Shooting this tomorrow.

Hard Mode:

Shooter will begin with a holstered pistol and with their hands at their sides. Pistol is to be holstered in whatever you've got. However, if the holster is not concealed, subtract .5 sections from all PAR times; if the holster has a retention device, use the concealed PAR. On the signal, shooter will draw and fire one round at the 3x5 card and, if successful, move back as directed by the OP.

PAR TIMES:

- All shots within 7 yards: PAR of 2.0 seconds.
- All shots between 8 and 15 yards: PAR of 2.5 seconds.
- All shots between 16 and 25 yards: PAR of 3.0 seconds.
- All shots beyond 25 yards: PAR of 4.0 seconds

Timing procedures:

If you have a shot timer, simply use the shot timer. You should record your actual time for each string. If you do not have access to a shot timer, many apps are available for both Android and iOS: download one of your choosing, set your phone to max volume, and set a par time with a delayed start. For results, record Y/N within par (be honest).

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>>33860254
Now I just need to find M2 ball or equivalent

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>>33859892
Here's the mockup pre- bbl and adapter for WML

Sorry about pic quality - lost the natural light and my bulbs are junk.
Here's the unedited video of my new HARD MODE Personal Best S16 (to keep it DOTM related) photo is here: >>33856881

https://youtu.be/YoFNcuGrG3E

Dry fire draws to the B8 were into the 1.2s tonight. Ten successive draws all beat the 1.3s par timer. Speed and consistency are getting there. The new DSG Orion's ride height helps too.

>>33862516
lightning m8

>>33861631
Sikkkk
That'll look pretty dope when you get it all together. Gonna keep the stock sights on there?

>>33863487
For now - I'm really broke from my shooting habits, if it's intolerable when all put together I'll squeeze some dosh from somewhere.

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Life support bump

These were my best targets from last month

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>>33866071
Morning CG, I was on absolute FIRE this morning, I warmed up for EZ mode S16 by doing 4 25 second timed fire groups, starting from concealment, 10 shots, 25 yards.

I didn't score the others, all were decent, but this is a new PB

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>>33866298
Then I did EZ Mode S16 starting at the 20 yard line. I SMASHED my old PB - I honestly might not be able to top this for the rest of the month. My old PB was 15 yard start, 11 hits, score of 25, new PB is 20 yard start, 11 hits, score of motherfucking 30.

BRING IT DOTM

>>33861165
Do yourself a favor and get an adjustable gas block. It's worth the money.

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>>33866071
I need to take my 1911 out on one of these drills. I forget how fun they are to shoot sometimes

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>>33866481
definitely, a guy on the forum we stole this drill from has a score of 32 starting at the 20, pic related

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>>33866602
Whenever I stock back up on ammo, I'll try it out with a bunch of my other handguns, too.
I feel like 1911s are starting to become a little less popular for competitive shooting and target stuff. Or maybe I'm just not seeing as many locally. Kinda wish I'd kept my LWCO, but it gave me so much trouble I just traded it for the Sig.

>>33860902
dat sum dsg

>>33867087

The holster is. Sheath is PHLster.

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>>33866861
Lookin forward to it

>>33867087
Don't they only build for glawks? jerks

webm bumperoo

>>33868504
Honestly why do you carry with the pistol pointed right at your cock and balls?
I mean it just seems uncomfortable. Why not off to the side like normal appendix carry.

Anyone here have experience with P09?

>>33868504

He's built that holster for HKs. Ask him. You'll probably need to ditch the WML though.

>>33868834
it conceals better at 12 for me, at the 1 or 2 the grip prints on my shirt, not uncomfortable at all the holster is long enough to push my junk down and out of the way.

Anyone planning some stress drills later? IE burst cardio before shooting or something.

>>33868834
Did you ever buy a handgun, or is it still just the Franken ARs?

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>>33868898
Im going to run 6 miles tonight and then shoot tomorrow if that counts.

>>33868898
I do stuff like that semi regularly, it's a good "carrot and stick" to trick me in to doing shit I hate (exercise)

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>>33868860
>You'll probably need to ditch the WML though.

ack

I'll stick with my JMCK George for non WML carry, which I never do because >reasons

>>33868898
I usually lift before I shoot for CC practice. French curls and lat pulldowns. Figure if I can shoot with a totally fucked grip I can shoot under any physical stressor.
>>33868834
P09 is a damn nice pistol, but it's huuuge.
>>33866861
Yeah, with all the pistol competitions mandating hammer down for start in all but the racegun divisions its assed out all the SAO guns.

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>>33869993
>>33868898
Welp, ran 3 miles and my girlfriend called to say her dad had a heart attack.
That cut my workout short.

May grab some ammo and index cards tonight and hit the range in the AM. Are we allowed to use colored index cards, or is that cheating?

>>33871847
any color your heart desires

hope the gfs pop is ok

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>>33871863
Well he just called us from his cell phone, so I'm assuming he's fine. Thanks regardless. Colored cards will help my myopic ass with this Drill. I feel like this will be a great drill for learning handgun and rifle holdovers for different ranges.

>>33871909
>I feel like this will be a great drill for learning handgun and rifle holdovers for different ranges.

It's taught me a lot so far, also great because it's a low round count/high input drill

If you have the opportunity, run the whole gamut - start at a closer, high hit probability distance as well as a "push yourself" ranges

I'm planning on trying at least one run of 100% hits on ez mode, start distance undetermined

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Shot this cold tonight.

I SUCKED at my own drill...

Started at 5, last round was a hit at 15. There's a catch though. In the picture, there's a round clipping the paper on the far right. I saw that and called it as a miss (from 15 yards) and fired my last round at 15. So, I probably should have shot the last round at 16.

Nevertheless, times were:
5 - 1.71s H
6 - 1.76s H
7 - 1.73s H
8 - 1.97s H
9 - 2.08s H
10 - 2.04s M
10 - 2.04s H
11 - 2.08s H
12 - 2.09s M
12 - 2.17s H
13 - 2.16s H
14 - 2.36s M
14 - 2.23s H
15 - no record - M
15 - 2.15s H (scored initially as miss)
15 - 2.18s H

The card was oriented horizontally (landscape).

>>33872175
nigga 12/16 is 75% and you made par, all done cold.

You get a hi five from me fampai

As I was saying to 45T I think the drill has great potential to be run at a gamut of ranges, the 5 yard start can be challenging because it requires good handspeed and a consistent draw.

We should do like a 3 or 5 yard start HARD MODE IRON MAN where you gotta make every hit in the par window or you die

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>>33872175
Looks good to me.

>>33872268
I don't want to die ;_;

I want to try this with my AR. Maybe start at 25 yards or something. It'll be irons only, so that's gonna be a challenge. I've ditched the PRO and replaced the K-grip with an ergo grip.

>>33872385
I would say do it with your longgat but after a hit move (5) or (10) yards back to maximize your data collecting of holdover shifts.

IT would be pretty interesting to start at the (10) yard line an potentially push out to the (15) with 10 yard spacing. Lots of data to collect in there.

Also YES COME DIE WITH US

>>33872458
ugh, push out to the (150)

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>>33872458
>>33872473
If my range was big enough/empty enough, I'd do that. As it stands, there's just a 15 yard, 50 yard, and 100 yard bay I could use for this.
We have a 500 yard range, but its not set up for shooting past the bench area. It requires a four wheeler to really access.

I figured I'd start on the 50 yard bay and move to the 100 yard if I started doing well. My issue is going to be seeing the card at that distance without an optic

>>33872513
> My issue is going to be seeing the card at that distance without an optic

IKTF

Even with the handgat at 20 + I was relying on my rangefinder to ID the card

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>>33872564
I need some binoculars/rangefinder honestly. It'd make my shooting sessions more efficient.

It also makes me want to throw a red dot on one of my pistols. I think getting the slide on my USP would be cool, but that's a $4-600 process that may or may not actually be worth it.

>>33872656
Every report I read from trusted sources says RDS improve ability and have few draw backs..

That said maybe this is where I become a fudd, they just don't interest me..

Give it 4-10 years, when PDs start issuing carry guns with RDS it will be EVERYWHERE and we will be caught in the swell and forced into the herd.

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>>33872711
I almost bought the Sig 320 package that comes with a milled slide and red dot not long ago. It was like $650 for the package and hard to pass up.

>>33872776
Price was right for sure...

I can already tell I'm going to be the crusty guy balking and scoffing and RDS pistols


BACK IN MY DAY...
We...AND....
SO....
...GOD DAMNED PUNKS

>>33873031
They are very nice.

My dad's bullseye 1911 has a frame-mounted J-Point on it. Thing's retardedly easy to shoot well.

>>33873126

Sigh, I know and see it in the results from talented shooters.

Should I get my P30L's milled and go for it? I mean my holster is prepped and ready... Fuck it feels like cheating so much more than with a rifle

>>33873157
It's up to you. There's a reason I don't have dots on any of my pistols though--I don't like them.

If you do decide to do it, fork out for a legit good microdot.

>>33873225
I fuggin hate 'em too, I really go fudd mode on this.

Shot one once and I was like "wtf no pistols required better grip technique and sight alignment than this".

As stated up thread - when they are standard issue for cops and the stream trickles down to every fucking individual I'll probably rock one but until that techno future of tomorrows past comes to be I'll keep trying to drive my front sight post.

>>33873157

If my time behind the G34 MOS vs. G19 MOS is any indicator, you're probably going to want to go to a P30 if you go RDS. Faster slide velocity matters a LOT at speed.

---

So I shat on my favorite PF'r tonight before the margaritas kicked in.

Later, I chose to apologize directly for being mean to him in a particular thread a few months ago (I stopped arguing and called him various profane things in public, and he simultaneously got very butthurt about the fact that somebody decided to insult him back and took it as him having the moral high ground). I also made very clear that it has never been my intent to follow him around and shit on his posts, even if I don't like him very much (I've seriously responded to him twice since that thread -- I went back and checked). That's the entirety of what I sent.

His response was pretty entertaining. Money shot: "There numerous threads on numerous topics I do not comment on, if I was, as in your opinion out of my lane on things wouldn't I be posting in every thread?"

I'm clearly dealing with a highly intelligent person.

That guy is episode of "The View" meets "Sons of Guns" with a dash of the worst parts of Oleg Volk - I'm proud of you for even attempting to be reasonable.

I'll keep slide travel in mind - no plans in the immediate future though, I'll wait until it's an unavoidable reality honestly.

>>33873613
And this is exactly why anybody doing it strictly for competition gets a frame-mounted one.

Slide-mounted RD's have their place, but speed-shooting for utmost accuracy is not it.

>>33873781

Absolutely. I think the next big thing is going to be manufacturers incorporating a compact frame mounting surface that'll fit the footprint of an RMR/similar. What I have in my head is basically an extension of the frame from the pistol grip area, low over the slide. Racking would be solved by front serrations and/or something like the VP9's charging wings.

Back when I was a rangemaster, there was an IPSC (I think) shooter who came in every Saturday morning. Dude let me shoot his .38 Super with a C-More and some sort of go-faster pedal thingy for your thumb.

sub-.2s splits on a 4" circle at 10 yards... hnnnnnnnnnng.

>>33873913
I really don't understand why C-Mores have fallen out of general usage. They used to be THE go-to, and now they're relegated to IPSC/USPSA. They might be a little large, but current-gen ones tie Aimpoint on battery life and they're actually every bit as durable. And they're ridiculously cheap for what they are.

Available in 3 different reticles and dot sizes ranging from 1 to 9 MOA.

And I'm seeing manufacturers offering an OEM picatinny adaptor out of something forged steel, along the lines of the ALG something-second Glock mount but thin enough width wise to still fit a holster.

>>33873949

I have basically no experience with the C-More other than that guy's pistols. He also had a Smith N-frame cut for .38 super with one of the best triggers I've ever felt in my life. Fucking Filipino doctors man, who knew?

As to the frame mount, I think the best move would be to get it towards the rear in order to allow for holster compatibility. It'd need to be a direct base mount to keep it low IMO. Speaking of, the manufacturers really ought to standardize on a hole pattern/footprint. If Aimpoint can look the other way with the T1 footprint, why can't the others?

That range job was pretty fucking great now that I think about it. I was /given/ 50 rounds of ammo every shift for instruction/demos for new shooters. I was shooting four-five nights a week and I got pretty fucking good. I also got to shoot pretty much every single non-belt fed machine gun I've ever wanted to shoot. Another dude came in on Saturday afternoons and had a healthy selection of submachine guns and assault rifles. I've fired an MP5SD, an MP5K-PDW, an Uzi, a Mac 10, a Glock full auto, an M4, an AK, a fucking FNC (Heat af), a Galil... Some day I'mma be that guy.

>>33873913
>sub-.2s splits on a 4" circle at 10 yards... hnnnnnnnnnng.

You're a fuckin cheeky cunt I'll slap your gab m8

But no that kind of shit, fuck...

Are the future defensive pistol fights of tomorrow based on the gayman gear of today?

....oh god...

...I'm a legit fudd.


...kill me

>>33873994
Man that would be nice.

Before I moved back to the midwest the range I shot on had frequent NFA demo days due to most of the membership being either active duty SOF or LEO (y'know, the guys who could convince their boss/armorer to actually buy post-sample shit on letterhead). One of the most enjoyable things I ever got to shoot was a suppressed, full-sized, wood-stocked Uzi. Between the fact they're heavy (they're seriously like 10lbs loaded, even with the NFA-length barrel) and have a low cyclic rate it was AMAZINGLY controllable. Like, full mag full retard on an 8" gong at 50 yards standing controllable. No other "submachinegun" (parentheses since that's a stretch to call a full-stocked Uzi "sub" anything) I've touched comes close. And I've shot most of them. I think a Sterling would be the next closest, and for many of the same reasons (heavy, low ROF).

It was also surprisingly loud despite a new production, full-size suppressor on it with 147gr subs. Guess that's the cost of an open bolt gun.

>>33874072
Dammit, I made myself sad now. I really miss Friday Night Fights.
>short range, after-dark/light or NVG required 2-gun match in a shoot house and 25yd tactical bay

Huntertown Arms always brought demo shit to shoot in the next bay. After a few weeks of that I got leery of even shooting their demo shit, they're all POS's.

Is there any way to get a more crisp trigger on the LEM P30sk? I'm spoiled to a 1911, USP match trigger, and a 22/45 trigger. The LEM is super practical and fairly easy to use, but I'm just more accustomed to that crispness in the trigger.

>>33874072

His Uzi was suppressed as well. I actually didn't care for the Uzi as much -- that heavy bolt chunking back and forth wasn't my thing. Believe it or not, I preferred the Mac to it as far as open bolt stuff went -- didn't seem to bounce around as much, and that giant suppressor on it helped with the muzzle climb. Plus I felt like an 80's drug dealer, which was cool. I've got a video of me shooting that followed by his AK somewhere. I believe I'm on video saying, "that shit's just like Grand Theft Auto."

Of the subguns, the MP5s were by far my favorite. Very controllable.

My boss got into the NFA rental game about a month before I left for bigger and better things (range was a part time job while in school). He actually went out and got a fucking SCAR-16 post-sample as the first one, despite my advice against it (I straight up told him to buy an MP5 and an M16). The SCAR's pretty weird on FA.

>>33874125

There are a few configurations. Maybe try the 4.1?

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?20884-P30SK-LEM-4-1

>>33874172
Interesting read. From what I can tell, that mostly shortens the take up. Still, that may be worth looking into at some point. Thanks, homie

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>>33874465

There's no cure-all for the LEM, it will always be creepy.

But like any other trigger and gun the precision is there - it just comes down to us being able to work it.

I shot this at 25 trying to figure out 25 yard holds for gaming our previous DOTM, is it awesome? No but it's and indicator of mechanical capability from the hardware in question.

I guess it's all about the individuals comfort of balance, range, manipulation, performance and carry characteristics, if that makes sense.

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Morning life support bump with a very good reason to avoid huehuebr guns.

I expect some targets posted today /k/

>>33873613
what the fuck is with the attitudes over there? i like the information a lot but holy shit some people are salty as fuck all the time and the past 5-6 months everyone's been PMS'ing the whole goddamn time.

i completely missed whatever thread started a blood feud between blues and vdm. I seriously thought all Blues did was post reaction gifs, holster reviews, and extremely rare custom knives.

and of course rob_s is still a condescending asshole, after literally a decade of shitting up gunforums with his unsupported opinions pistol-forum is his last place of refuge.

>>33877487

Eh. It's been going downhill for a while IMO. I like and hate Tom's moderation style. On one hand, we're all adults and he doesn't herd us like cats. On the other, it allows for some rather toxic personalities to remain there. Many of the posters who regularly provided higher-quality content have left or dramatically curtailed their posting content. DESU, I probably won't renew my site supporter membership this go-around.

Blues made the mistake of questioning vdm a few too many times. That's literally it. There are five or six threads where he's done that to various members besides blues (who is great, and who I really wish would tell more 80s drug war stories). There was no long, public "fuck you" like I've done. He's quite literally gone into paranoid freak-out mode about how errbody's out to get him a few times. He seems to have convinced himself that, because people really don't care for his blanket assertions, that means there's a core group of trolls following around with the intention of provoking him. He also seems to believe that everybody's simply too stupid to understand his particular brand of genius, and that ignorance -- and not the fact that he treats everybody who doesn't show him his desired deference like a total piece of shit -- is apparently what drives the vdm hate train. I understand his butthurt towards me a bit, but I still think he's a fucking lunatic with a sub-average IQ.

>>33877585
yeah based on his online persona i have a really hard time understanding the people who have met vdm in person and found him okay.

it has been kinda sad seeing less posting from guys like DB, SLG, Surf, Kevin B., etc. I do like seeing Paul Sharp start posting.

>>33877487
>>33877585

this is why I don't leave the software section

>>33877655
desu some of the most useful content comes from guys who come off as very humble and don't call attention to themselves.

I like to read what comes from Kevin B. (not the KAC one, the other guy), Gio, Les Pepperoni, Paul Sharp, and Gabe White.

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I'm looking forward to having some money and shooting the new DOTM. Probably not before the 15th, but I'm hype already. Thirteen meters? I can do that. I shoot on right angled diamonds 3.5 inch the long way, I should be able to pull this off.

Also I got into the class photo! Rad!
>>33856902

>>33877695

I think BehindBlueI's is a wealth of information if you let him talk.

>>33877766
yup, and also taadski and patrick kelley and dr. no and some others i can't remember right now
it's actually pretty ridiculous how good some of those guys are at shooting. I think there are at least 10 USPSA GMs on the board now

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Help me anons. Just got a P30SK V1, 1st 2 5 round groups at 7 yards shown below. Pretty much the worst groups I've shot in a while. I'm pretty sure with it being so small I'm anticipating, but I also have to dick with my grip a bit due to the slide stop.

Maybe my trigger control is just shit? I was pulling rounds off notecards at 5 yards.

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>>33879689
I also did a few sweet 16s with my M&P 9mm FS with apex trigger. Results below, best score 13yd. Pretty disappointing how much I was throwing rounds off the 3" box. Bottom left target was 15rd at 7yd focusing as hard as I could on the front sight and covering the blue spot on the target.

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>>33879702
>>33879689
>New p30sk and M&P9
Are you me?

The P30sk took getting used to for me. Especially the LEM trigger. I found my groups improved once I started using more of a revolver method to manipulating the trigger by using more trigger finger than you normally would for a DA/SA. A lot of dry practice is required to really get a feel for it.

>>33879800
I'll try a little more finger. my M&P with the apex FSS/trigger is like 2.5lb, so it doesn't appreciably seem to matter how much finger I've got on it. I got the feeling the P30 might be more sensitive to it.

Additionally, I was trying to get a tighter than usual grip to work on recoil control, and while I did succeed, I think groups suffered because i was tightening my hands right as I broke the trigger. I am also left handed, so the typical corrections are reversed I suppose.

Anybody have experience with Glock connectors in the Gen 4?

I'm looking at either a factory "-" connector (4.5lbs) or the new APEX unit in particular. I am not chasing a crisp break; quite the opposite, I want a rolling break.

>>33879907
I wouldn't overexaggerate the grip on it just because it's smaller. Go at it with the same amount of pressure you normally would. The P30sk actually shoots really softly for a subcompact imo. And that milking of the grip will definitely make a difference. It causes everything to move as you're pulling the trigger, making for an inconsistent grip.
I tend to use a method where I'm pressing the bases of my palms together. Think of the kamehameha pose where your hands meet. It males my hands lock down a little tighter and eliminates a lot of the "wiggle" in my grip.

>>33879800
what made you go for the LEM / no thumb safety versions over the thumb safety version?

put $100 into shooting the thumb safety version the other day and it's absolutely on my top 3 next firearms i'm buying. trigger is amazing on that and i'm a 1911/Cz75 single action trigger fan

>>33880068
Sounds good. I tend to relax my hands a lot on my M&P, which makes it pretty tough to control recoil. I think the issue today was that I want to get faster but my fundementals aren't really there yet.
Need to put in some hours just working out my grip, dry firing a bunch, and putting it into practice. I've tried pushing/pulling and that throws me off way harder than a side to side "pinch". Really hoping to work on it hard this year since my rifle marksmanship is far and away better, even though I'm pretty spotty there, too. The P30sk is very soft shooting. I'd say it's as soft recoiling or even softer than my FS M&P.

>>33880354
I've owned a lot of DA/S.A. guns and carried a few of them. When practicing, you've got to either make a transition from safe to fire or from DA to S.A.. when drilling, it's easy to forget to take off the safety for me, and the transition from a heavy DA pull to a SA pull sort of requires a different type of trigger pull.

The LEM rides the line between the two IMO. It's light enough that using a revolver style trigger pull to make all my shots isn't difficult, it resets roughly where a SA would, and it doesn't require manipulating an external device to either engage or to reholster.

I also wanted to try something new.

>>33880485
Because I grew up on 1911's I've never EVER had an issue with taking a weapon off safe, but decockers (especially on CZ's) have fucked me a few times. My natural hold rides the safety (or decocker) so it's literally subconscious movement to safe/unsafe them.

>>33880573
Same. 1911s aren't a problem, but stuff like Beretta, CZ, and Sig throw me off because they usually don't have a safety where my thumb rides.

>>33880639
I've accidentally decocked my P01 halfway through the trigger pull more times than I'd care to count. There's a reason I no longer carry it full-time.

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Life support bump.

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>>33882256
LSB

>>33882441

That's a strange front sight.

>>33882491
Suppressor height sights usually look goofy.

They work very well though.

>>33882558

It's more the arrow painted on than anything else.

>>33882570
Oh.

I like that style though :( They work quite well.

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>>33882570
>>33882491
I have trouble seeing the front sight against black backgrounds. That used to just be a gold square, but its work off a little. I really need to just get a new front sight with some tritium in it

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Life support bump.
>I am not a good fisherman
>I am also out of thread-related pictures

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>>33884066
Bamp
Anyone got any other hobbies?

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>>33884066
What a feast

>>33885396
Does pirating movies and masturbating count?

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>>33885560
That depends. Do they bring you enjoyment?

what can i do at a range that allows standing or bench only, 25, 50, and 100 yard berms only

>>33885840
Pretty sure that's all my range allows and I shot it on the 7 yard pistol when no one was around. Of course they have cameras and they might tell me to never do that shit again, but I figure if no one else is around I'm not putting anyone in danger.

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You can do the FBI Bullseye qualifier in Hard mode - all strings at 25

>>33885627
Less than they should

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Hard mode bump.

Also, though participation's been pretty shit so far, what about this: http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/hardwire-tactical-super-test-shooting-drill

for next time?

>>33888974
I like doing Hardwire 2 second standards

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>>33888546
Starting distance? Gun? Nice tho

>>33888974
I think that's a great idea, it's perfect.

I shot the The-Fifty-Seven today:

Range: 25 or 50 yards - see below
Target: Any full silhouette target
Par time: 3 seconds
Start position: Gun in hand, shooter in position of choice - see below
Rounds fired: 6

The shooter starts with gun in hand, sightline under target, and can already be in shooting position of choice (standing, kneeling, prone, etc.)

If shooting at 50 yards: At the start signal, fire one shot under the 3-second par time. Repeat until you have fired six total rounds.

If shooting at 25 yards: At the start signal, fire two shots under the 3-second par time. Repeat until you have fired six total rounds.

I don't want to flood S16 so I skipped it today. I shot this once at each range as the last thing I did today. (140ish rounds in)

Here's the 50 yard line, squeaked by...

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>>33889369

And the 25..

All in all pretty easy drill but I can probably push better results if I try again

>>33889369

Sorry -- I'm GitGudGuy.

That was a 5 yard start using my J-Frame because, well, why not? All shots were w/in par on that run, shot from a DSG J-Frame AIWB.