Secretary of Defense James Mattis contacts you one day and asks

>>33853235
FAMAS

>>33853235
>It must be in 5.56 and take STANAG mags.
Then what's the point?

Everything wrong with the M4 is what's wrong with the 5.56 cartridge.

>>33853235
a sten chambered in 5.56

>>33853235
Daewoo K2

>>33853286
i kinda want this now

modernized AUG

>fully ambidextrous, user can change which way it ejects with out tools.
>14 and 20 inch barrels for everyone. the 20 inch barrel is made specifically for 77 grain high pressure ammo. 14 inch is made to get the best out of the m855a1.
>progressive triggers.

>>33853235
I politely suggest that he look into the CTSAS and DInGO programs instead.

Because it's not worth replacing the M4 otherwise.

>>33853286
>>33853299
A 5.56 sterling using cheap rugged lightweight polymer and a cheap targeting computer (phone hardware and well-hacked RTOS)

Some kind of FNC clone with a lot of polymer.

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LE901 desu

>>33853235
Mossberg MVP

>>33853393
>CTSAS
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2014/armaments/Wed16533_Shipley.pdf

So you can carry 600 rounds of 7.62 and a capable LMG with telescoping rounds as 600 rounds of conventional 5.56 with an M249

Well shid textron

>>33853499
no memes or anything but the LSAT is probably gonna be our next service rifle

>>33853318
>>33853262
Why are bullpup fags so stupid? The amount of disadvantages in the set up are astounding.

>but barrel length!

Overly complex triggers due to extended linking mechanisms, ejection port right beside your face, magwell in your armpit (have fun dropping prone/changing magazine easily and quickly while maintaining target). Critical failures occur RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR FACE instead of out away from you, and enjoy a lack of flexibility having to standardize that many inches of the gun brings you.

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>>33853554
Is there a rifle configuration of it?
I've only seen the LMG config

SCAR firing a modified 6.5 grendel (sligthly lengthened case with less taper- not as big as 264 usa however, goal is to push a 123 grain bullet at 2400- 2600 fps with a 16 inch barrel ) with a TA33 as standard.

>>33853584
bullpups with adjustable length of pull exist.

training eliminates many of the other 'disadvantages'.

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>>33853632
here's a prototype

>>33853235
M16s

>>33853681
Goddamn that's an uggo
It looks like the least ergonomic rifle ever made
>No rear sight
>No optic
>Garbage tier polymers/plastics
>Grip-pod

I get it's a prototype but christ is that embarrassing to look at

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>>33853681
that's the ugliest thing I've seen in my entire life

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>>33853726
>>33853708
here's a more modern image, a few more revisions and i'd say this thing could replace the M4

>>33853773
>9.7 lbs
>m4 is 6.4lbs
>m4a1 is 7.5lbs

Nigga what the fuck

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Fuck your plastics.

>>33853235
stg 57 in 5.56 and modified to accept STANAG mags

>>33853235
HK433

AR18

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AK-74 in 5.56 (so an SLR106)
>Lighter (6.1lbs)
>Folding stock (polymer)
>Reliable, simple mechanism
>Comfortable to shoot
>Cheaper manufacturing
>Superior ergonomics

retrofit it for stanags and we have a winner

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>>33853235
Microguns for everyone!

>>33853950
>ak
>superior ergonomics
HAHAHAHAHA no

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>>33853235
That one Polish rifle that can be used as both a bullpup and a standard.

>>33854024
Agree 100% on the 47, the cheekslap and steel 7.62 mags are shit, but the 74 is the smoothest shooting and handling rifle I have ever owned

Have you ever shot a 5.45 AK?
It's magic

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A man can dream. Ironically it was too ahead of its time with the Army now adopting M-Lok when it had something similar ten years ago.

Give it a carbon fiber handguard and midlength gas
>done

>>33853235
>What do you propose?
The M4 Carbine.

>>33853235

SCAR-L

>>33854300
This an M4A1 with a non m4 barrel.

>>33853235
MAC 10 chambered in 5.56

>>33853235
the m4 carbine

>>33853499
That's old information; since then, they've been working on a 7.62 alternative--namely, a very long 6.5 with compressed powder charge (for smoother burning more than for space) that fits inside the 7.62 CT case (with room to shrink a little; they're using the 7.62 CT case for now to make testing easier). They've also proposed a 6.5 CT carbine as an option in case Big Army wants to try to force everybody onto the same caliber again.

We had a really good thread on this recently, if you can dig it up, there's a lot of good info, links, and discussion on it. It started out as a thread on Soviet infantry combat vs. everybody else, and diverged into Project SALVO and the repeated studies that have shown that combat rarely happens at Battle Rifle ranges.

I believe there was also supposed to be some sort of conference this month, and there was hope that we might see more details on the program (and maybe DInGO).

>>33853804

>(NOT OPTIMIZED)

Did you somehow miss this?

Take the easy way out and just say m27

>>33853287
this

>>33854557

Wait, so yes on 6.5 or no on 6.5?

>>33853804
That's with a long 6.5mm bullet that is almost as heavy as a 7.62 bullet (not round). It assumes that the Army will push for a single round for the whole squad.

If they don't, then the question becomes just what the riflemen should be shooting.

An intermediate round?
A PDW armor-piercing round, with a 6.5mm SAW and various guided/airbursting munitions (Pike/Switchblade/XM-25/etc.) for longer ranges?

There are still good reasons to postpone that decision a bit longer, get the new SAW in 6.5mm CTSAS, get a smart scope, and field it to see what happens before committing to a new caliber for riflemen.

That said, the technology is close enough that OP's question is no longer really valid; there's no point in replacing the M-4 when we're this close to a true replacement.

>>33854583
No commitment yet; however, 6.5mm "long" CT looks superior in every way to 7.62 CT, which is in turn superior to 7.62x51. It would be a Crusader-level mistake to not go with the 6.5 CT SAW.

For the rest of the squad, see >>33854614

>>33853235
I suggest using the M4.

The best new rifle would simply be an AR-15 increased in size about 5% to accomodate .25-45 Sharps with longer bullets. Currently they are limited to 87gr bullets that are short so they fit in 5.56 mags. A 90gr bullet in .25" caliber going 2900 - 3000 fps would be the absolute tits. And the weight difference between that and 5.56 is so small as to be insignificant.

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After spending the whole budget on "operations" our testing has concluded we keep the M4

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>>33853286
>>33853299

Not exact but

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifles/british-308-sterling-prototype/

>>33853659
Not even being sarcastic, but is it maybe possible that having to train your soldiers to fire in a much more "unnatural" light might hinder, for example, war efforts in the case of total war?

It would cost time and money to train your average soldier to shoot as well with a bullpup as he would with an M4 or an M16 or something. Would that added time be worth it? In the case of two totally equal superpowers squaring off against each other, how much more of an advantage would the bullpup lend to the fighting force of an entire military when the other side can train their units to be much more precise, efficient, and consistent, all for a shorter amount of time than a bullpup lead military?

Chauchat
/thread

i do something to shit on the gunner community and sgt maj DI community.

>>33854976
Most soldiers are trained from noguns anyways, it really doesn't matter
>implying it's even hard to use a bullpup

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>>33853235
>Secretary of Defense James Mattis contacts you one day and asks that you give him a replacement for the M4 Carbine in military service. It must be in 5.56 and take STANAG mags.

"Sure thing, General! Just send $40 million to my bank account, and I'll get started on the selection process right away!"

>>33854644

>Crusader-level

The what now?

>>33853235
>take M4
>make barrel 32" long
>make chamber take 5.56mm/.50BMG cased Earsplittenloudenboomer rounds
>make stock and frame out of brushed titanium
>remove old rail system, replace with complex proprietary system that requires both a screwdriver & a 4mm hex wrench at the same time to mount accessories.


Done.

>>33855311
/thread

>>33853235
Buy my tavor, goyim.

>>33853235
Adopt a better rifle in 6.5.

>>33855311
HK please stop.

>>33855207
The self-propelled artillery piece that was supposed to replace the M-109 fifteen years ago.

It got cancelled because of the idiotic idea that everything new needed to fit in a C-130, and it was 40 tons.

So, NLOS-C was developed from parts of Crusader, with a chopped-off gun (shorter range), smaller on-board ammunition supply, and all kinds of weight optimization. It still couldn't fit on a C-130, at least not with any real fuel and ammo, but it was lighter than most of FCS.

Then FCS got cancelled, and NLOS-C with it, despite the fact that it was only somewhat related, and we really needed a new cannon. So, now, we are stuck with M-109s with their 5-man crews, abysmal RoF, and total lack of MRSI.

So, yeah. Not the kind of outcome that we want for the SAW and carbine replacement programs.

>>33854976
You're talking retarded hypotheticals. I have no idea how many things would need to go wrong for the US to need to worry about arming conscripts.

There wouldn't be much of a US at that point because of all the bikes that would be used before then.

>>33855459
Fuckin autocorrect, I can't believe it changed nukes to bikes.

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Ask him why he's being a retard.

>>33853832
I'd fucking kill for one of these, best wooden aesthetic

>>33855311
I thought the Earsplittenloudenboomer was .17/.50?

>>33853235
Call up FN and tell them to hurry their waffle eating asses up with that bullpup SCAR.

Or desert tech with the MDR

>>33855423

Oh my god. I remember it now.

They had it on Future Weapons, I think it was the same episode as the Iron Meme.

Unfortunately, I can see their logic.

If we can't build up on the border(s) of a nation we want to invade first, we need rapid mobilization once in country - we do that by securing the airports and having C-130's either land or air drop shit.

I agree with needing new Arty, absolutely, but I think the whole system was fucked from the start since it would only be useful defensively or in a place where we could just build up via land/sea. This doesn't really fit with our rapid disarmament and invasion strategy, as ideally you'd use planes to bring everything in thereby decreasing the maximum amount of time your enemy has to build up.

I think this should have made the Army turn around and start kicking people in the balls to make a larger air transport. Not just keep making C-130's and retrofitting B52's for another 50 years.

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>>33853584
The way this is written leads me to belive you have never trained for combat with a bulpup. Yet you have written a paragraph about why they are bad. You are an autistic parasite on my firearms board.
>pic related

>>33853262
8/10 bait

>>33855052
>$40 million to start the selection process
"No problem, son. Helluva discount you're runnin'."

>>33853235
The SCAR L.

/thread

>>33853235
M4A1 Carbine

AR 18

>>33853235
AK 5C

>>33853235
F2000

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>>33853235
You got it, boss

>>33853235
A CZ Bren 2

>>33853235
LWRC IC-A5

>>33853235
MTAR-21 anything farther than 300m will be taken care of by mounted weapons or specialists.

>>33853681
Looks bulky as fuck

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>>33853235

>>33856502
>DESIGNATED

>>33853681
Aesthetic in a utilitarian kinda way

Also NO BUFFER TUBE

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>>33853235
Ha ha, time for Ghost Recon

>>33853584
If you're such a fuckin bitch about critical failures then you should never be around any gun, because a critical failure is always possible

>>33853235

Is Mattis owned by the Jews?

>>33856391
Is that a California-legal MDR?

>>33856601
No. All he cares about is killing.

>>33853584
Says the guy who has very obviously never used a bullpup in any of these scenarios, or likely at all. The only argument in favor of m4/M16 is that it works and is proven technology.

>>33853235
>It must be in 5.56 and take STANAG mags.
Explain him where his is wrong.

>>33855540
>If we can't build up on the border(s) of a nation we want to invade first, we need rapid mobilization once in country - we do that by securing the airports and having C-130's either land or air drop shit.
Somebody didn't study WWII enough.

>>33853235
M27 IAR

>>33858632

>WW2 is relevant in any way to how modern pre-game works

Where do you exist where your powerful enemies will let you just build up 21 miles away for six months? Do you know how much work went into keeping Germany from being able to do anything about that?

If you wanted to perform a similar feat today, against a similar enemy (Russia, China, India, Pakistan), you'd need to control the waters, setup an insanely dense missile shield, and prevent any attacking aircraft from getting too close. And this of course would be precipitated by continuous attacks on nearby targets from our own side.

It isn't like gearing up for D-Day anymore. The only time that can happen is if your enemy is completely impotent, but that isn't who you are (or should) be designing your entire doctrine around fighting these days. Imagine if we just sat in Ukraine for months while we got ready to invade Russia. Do you think Russia would just take that shit lying down? Nope.

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>>33856953

Seems all he cares about is "killing Iranians" and helping "our Sunni allies".

Sounds suspiciously like bought and paid for Kikery to me.

>>33853235

Modernized AR 180

>>33859401
>muh D-day
>he doesn't knows about Operation Torch and Italy invasion
Yeah, study history first.

>>33855523
Nobody wants anything to do with bullpup in this day and age.

>>33856502
>>>/loo/

>>33855550
fuck and I thought regular Tavors looked bad. put those poor girls out of their misery

>>33856947
Kel-Tec RDB-C

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>>33859412
Repent or have your apostasy cleansed by holy napalm

>>33855466
I was waiting for the day I'd see this image on /k/ and I hope it never leaves.

>>33855466
What the hell am I looking at here guy?

>>33853318
You just described the Australian Army service rifle

http://modernfirearms.net/assault/austr/f90-e.html

>>33860011
RDB-S

>>33853463
Absolute madman

>>33855540
It's more complicated than that.

A lot of these rapid-reaction force dreams cropped back up in the '90s, when our expected conflicts ranged from Saddam sprinting for the Saudi east coast to fighting irregulars backed by small nations like Serbia.

Because we didn't know where the next fight might happen, and were facing huge budget cuts at the same time, there were a number of CONOPS that had the Army based mostly in CONUS, waiting for the alarm to go off, at which point they would deploy a brigade in 72 hours, and up to a division in 96.

There were all kinds of wild ideas for pulling this off (look up some of the airship concepts, or the Pelican WiGE monster turboprop), but they all really relied upon Army units getting much, much lighter.

On top of this, if the units got lighter, then, once in theater, they could be moved at the operational level by C-130s.

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>>33859485

>green-texts about two invasions that were preceded by months of build up and even longer periods of psy-ops and info gathering

Well played, I must capitulate to your superior knowledge of history.

>>33853235
Tavor Tar 21.

Pretty much fight for Israel, why not use the same weapons as well? This will make their government very happy.

>>33853235

i propose a rifle with a hybrid poly lower with a stamped steel or machined aluminum upper

a die foraged trunion, along with a 3 lug locking bolt

a long stroke piston system with the recoil spring warping around the piston to make the OAL shorter

non reciprocating charging handles on each side, however pushing them in allows them to become reciprocating they also can fold out of the way

a full length monolithic upper rail for optics, but have the front sight along with the bayonet lug still on the barrel, the rear sight would be a h&k style diopter with a ak style front sight

the barrel would be 18 in CHF and chrome lined, none of the gay melonite horseshit also 1 in 7 twist rate


the stock would be both collapsing and folding polymer with a steel hinge so it is tough enough for hard use .

a paddle mag release and drop free mags also a bolt release where the ar has it


and finally a dustcover based of of the ar

also each rifle is issued with 5 poly steel reinforced magazines and a tritium red dot colminator sight

>>33854024
better than a ass backwards charging handle on the ar

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>>33853463

awesome

>>33856947
Keltec Survival RDB

>>33864172
I can't hear you over the sound of my rifle actually having a bolt hold open.

>>33863663
No user level barrel change.

>>33864306
Yugo AKs

>>33864306
>his AK doesn't have a bho
how very very sad

>>33853463
Mossberg MVPs with standard issue 100 round drums, with ACOGs

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Probably this tbqh

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>>33853235
This one

>>33864587
bingo

>>33864778
That thing looks like it was designed by 10 different people that weren't allowed to talk to each other.

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>>33864861
How about her older sister?

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>>33864587

not too shabby tbqh

>5.56
>take stanags
>US would also pretty much want a similar disassembly and manual of arms, makes it cheaper and easier to transition
>not gonna develop a new rifle
what you're thinking of is an HK416.

>>33853318
I never understood why not just make the ejection port throw out the bottom like a browning shotgun. That would solve the biggest ambidextrous problem without having to fuck with the rifle satan worshiping lefties.

>>33864587
>Can't lock the charging handle
>No HK slap

D R O P P E D

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>>33864976
Some of the newer designs do this. What I want to see more of is stuff like the RFB, which just kind of poops cases out the front without flinging them.

>>33864898
That actually looks pretty nice, it looks like an actually modernized FAMAS.

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>>33853235
>must be in 5.56

If you have to stay handicapped, you may as well go for the best.

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>>33865036
Sorry for low res.

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>>33853235
M14...let's be men again!

I'd tell him to stop being a bitch, tell Germany to suck a cock and issue everyone P90s and five-seven pistols.

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>>33865090
>5.7xMEME

Why?

>>33864159
>with the recoil spring warping around the piston to make the OAL shorter
You don't want to heat up spring.

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>>33864928

stock is a little ugly, but all in all not a bad choice by any means.

Would buy it, if it would ever get to the civil market.

>>33865027
That grip, though...
Looks like they took ergonomic design cues from a Snickers bar.

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>>33865200
>20 round standard capacity pistol magazines
>50 round standard capacity sub-gun magazines
>penetrates vests and helmets so well they only sell the hollow point and poly-tipped variants to civilians
>increased production will result in more readily available magazines, ammo, and guns
>.14 millimeters bigger than 5.56
That's why. Also:
>using meme in every possible context
>using reddit spacing
I'm watching you.

>>33854644
>Crusader-level mistake
Peasant's Crusade or Crusader howitzer?

AK101 or HK416.

Only trust european guns.

>>33865574
Or that new austrian piston AR is looking breddy sweet.

But General Mattis, the AR-15 platform is fine, 5.56 is the problem. Keeping 5.56 is just kicking the can down the road.

If you insist on a replacement in 5.56, the SCAR-L is a fine and flexible rifle.

>>33853235

M16A1. Because fuck you.

>>33853235
A modified AR-15 platform, which lengthens the magwell by around 5mm. Will accept existing mags and new extended ones.
This extension allows use of much longer bullets in the 5.56 case, giving good lethality and ballistics while still being backwards-compatible. Equip it as standard with red dots, free float mlok rails, and you should be fine.
Alternatively, just make Mk262 the new standard ammo.

>>33865630
>make Mk262 the new standard ammo.

Why?

>>33865663
Heaviest and most consistently-performing load of 5.56.

>>33865663
Highly accurate, long range, and lethal; even out of a short barrel.

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>>33865675
>Heaviest and most consistently-performing load of 5.56.
>As an interim solution to these problems, deployed SOF units have used 5.56 mm Mk262. The Black Hills produced Mk262 uses the 77 gr Sierra Match King (SMK) OTM and is built as premium quality ammunition intended for precise long-range semi-auto rifle shots from the Mk12 rifle. It is great for its intended purpose. Mk262 has demonstrated improved accuracy, greater effective range, and more consistent performance at all distances compared to M855 when fired from current M16, Mk12, M4, HK416, and Mk18 rifles and carbines. However, despite this substantially improved performance, Mk262 still manifests the problems of poor intermediate barrier penetration and somewhat variable terminal performance inherent with the SMK design.

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>>33864315

>Trusting a potato IQ PFC with a quick change barrel.
>expecting zero to return

>>33853235
See the offer and performance of various piston AR's since that's what other militaries and Marines are interested in.

However adopt one only if you absolutely have to.

While the AR18 derivatives have its advantages(and disadvantages) over AR15, it's still very negligible. So it's much better idea to do round two on the caseless ammo and "hyper-burst" rifles, both individually and as a complete package.

>>33865720
That's a softpoint designed to expand. Fine for LE but illegal for military.

>>33865825
>Fine for LE but illegal for military.
Use legal loopholes, Luke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNekOq9CBQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX4ODh1g4eM

>>33853681
>side-charging handle

>>33865443
sig 550's have the same setup

>>33853402
E-11.jpg

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MDR
:^)

>>33866296
Bad news for sig.

>>33865722
You can't fuvk it up. I've used Aussie military AUG that have barrel quick detach.

>>33853235
M4A1 with a DD MLOK free floating rail, a B5 stock, Tango down pistol grip and enlarged trigger guard.

First ask why must it be 5.56.

Mostly I'd be interested in seeing the Magpul PDR further developed into a full line of actual weapons.

>>33865043
but this is literally just a souped up ar15 variant, isn't it?

am i the only one who doesn't know the difference between all of these ar15 clones?

>>33856502
>(Folding butterfly)

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>>33853235

>FUDDY
>AUGHT
>SIX

M4A1

Only a fool would choose otherwise.

>>33853235
An M4 made of wood and steel.

>>33853235
M16A1 with rails

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>>33865594
ma nigga

>>33853235

A M4 with a gas piston system.

>>33868646
This but with a a4 upper.

Keep the pencil barrel even though it would probably look really stupid with a railed handguard.

>>33863966
I'm tired of hearing this /pol/ shit. As if we need the Jews to tell us killing Arabs is the right thing to do.

Convergent ideology in this case. Nobody wants the Arabs around except for the Arabs themselves

>>33853235
Just replace them with the IAR, its similar enough that anyone trained on the m16 can use it without issue and the slightly different field stripping can be covered in an afternoon, and they can build them in the new HK factory in Georgia so congressman will be satisfied that its a domestic product employing Americans. Hell the USMC is already trying to do this and their grunts fucking love the IAR. the only thing I'd change about it is to swap out those quad rails to the new HK/Geissele M-Lock rail to save weight.

F2000 as the new service rifle.
Glock 20 as the new service pistol.
6.5 creedmore as the new 7.62x51.
Challenge me.

>>33853443
>It must be in 5.56 and take STANAG mags.

>>33853410
This one, please.

>>33864778
WITH THIS FINE RIFLE LORD MATTIS WILL LEAD US TO VICTORY AGAINST THE VECTAN SCUM!


cool looking rifle desu, I wish they were available for sale in the US, Helghast/10.

>>33866396
we wouldn't actually see these fielded for another 60 years while they finish making the order.

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>>33854891
>Blowback .308
This idea is making my cock hard as tungsten carbide
Even harder than thoughts about gay furry porn does...

>>33868859
There's literally no significant improvement that can be made with those restrictions. 5.56 NATO is the performance bottleneck for the platform.

We could go 6.5 Grendel and keep the STANAG magazines, that's an actual improvement

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the HK416?

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>>33868974
because it's shit

>>33853681
People keep saying that's ugly, but damn.

Replace the stock and grip pod and I'd buy the shit out of that.

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>>33869005
How so?

>>33854051
fucking pierogi wizards

>>33868974
memegun

>>33854274
>basically just an AR with a bodykit
i shiggily diggily neighborino

what exactly did mattis do that was cool other than his edgy 'kill everyone you meet' quote?

>>33853954
>What is field service

The US Military should adopt black painted broom sticks. Every GI is trained to yell "pew, pew, pew", while ratteling his stick.
The money saved is invested in Rheinmetall Donar guns and every goat herder get's his personal 155mm shell.

t. le happy Germon with Rheinmetall stocks

>>33869030
He's claiming the Carrier tilt meme. Hence the picture of the tilting CVN.

>>33869045
More like a g36 or ar18 with a body kit.

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>>33854274
id kill for an xm8 compact

>>33854069
>he's never shot a quality AKM

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>>33854069
I agree the AK-74 is comparable to the AR-15, but there are serious advantages to using the AR-15.

a pencil profile 20" barrel will give light-weight stuff enough velocity to fuck up armor better, and still deliver more performance from the same ammo.

It's also more accurate and it's easier to mount optics and bullshit to it. Modularity means you'll never be able to get rid of the AR-15 because upgrades are easy.

The 5.56x45 cartridge also has more flexibility than 5.45x39 (bullet weights and available loads), even though the cheapest 5.45x39 has great terminal ballistics, likely due to the projectile's length.

The AR-15 will also be lighter, I think. Short barrels were a mistake.

>>33853281
This. Unless you change the cartridge there's no point. The M4 would be perfect in 6.5.

>>33853235
M91 Mosin Nagant chambered in 5.56

>>33853235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jea4a42htgc

>>33869261
A mosin chambered in 23mm of pure slavness , think about it .

>>33853235
>Choosing anything but Mini-14

>>33853235

I give him a gold plated M4.

>>33853708
stgw 57
>>33853726
stgw 57

>>33865722
Works well for SAW gunners :^)

>>33863644
a deer getting a rimjob

>>33868646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziOmafVBmHU

>>33853235

Fine as it is if its got to be 5.56, if it has to change maybe a 5.56 version of the FAL or something German

>>33853832
why does this look like an AK and a SIG have a baby together.

>>33853235
I ask him why the Marines need their own pilots.

>>33853235
5.56mm laser with "disposable" capacitors in the stanag

>>33853950
>Superior ergonomics
Maybe I'm just used to my AR, but I can't stand AK Ergos, by which I mean the mag release and the safety.

>>33853235
A moist nugget modified to take the mags.

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The Second Coming is here.

>>33853235
Tell him that 5.56 was a mistake and we should go back to .308.

>>33853235
m4 carbine

>>33853235
The Mini 14

>>33863890
Get that fudd shit out of here

>>33864587
So an ACR done by a company that's not fully retarded.

>>33857628
>>33856594
>>33855550
>>33853659
all of you are autistic pussies I bet you've never done hardcore longarm combatives. bulpups are fucking worthless you can't bash people for shit

>>33853950
>AK
>cheaper manufacturing
the only reasons AKs are cheap is because the commies built the factories to churn them out en masse.
If you were making AKs in America, they'd cost much more than an AR than any machinist in a moderately well equipped machine shop can manage

>>33853235
>What do you propose?
Counterpropose a hypervelocity .17 round integrated with an XM25 grenade launcher. Ambidextrous bullpup just to troll you. Smart scope with network link. Battery pack integrated in buttstock.

Honestly I'd just replace it with another carbine AR but with a bunch of small improvements to reduce weight and improve performance. Free float barrel, ambidextrous controls, enclosed fire control group, etc. I'd stay with DI because I don't think it's completely worth making the jump to short stroke piston for the majority of troops.

rocket launchers

>>33874293
I submit to the same design competition, an off the shelf para FAL with off the shelf rails for existing ACOG and underbarrel grenade mounts.

It may not be as effective but my entire program costs the same as your prototype

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This atrocity is as bad as you calling him the Secretary of Defense: he's the Secretary of Offense.

>>33853443
>>33853647
>>33855408
>>33863890
> 5.56

Just update the M4A1 with modern accessories. A standard MemeLOK rail and such.

The M4..nyet, rifle is gut.

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Airforce M16 but with a slick top for mounting optics and an adjustable stock for functioning with plate carriers.

>>33853708
>No rear sight
>No optic
What are you talking about, can't you see the fucking rail on top of the gun? That rail is meant for attaching the rear sight and optics.

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>>33853262
FAMAS best raifu

>>33856584
blub blub where is the sea?

>>33853235
A lead pipe that'll fit 5.56 and a thumb tack for a firing pin

>>33853235
AR-18

>>33868859

LE6940 is that but in 5.56. It's fairly nice but a modern rail would be much better.

TL;DR get a fucking SCAR.

>>33880931
Well, an improved one anyways. But then you're stuck with an overpriced SCAR or else something shitty. Somebody needs to make an AR18 style upper for an AR15 that doesn't suck already

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>>33853235

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Acr so it will finally get some of the promised features

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>>33868965

>>33853235
ak74 in 5.56 that takes stanag mags

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>>33853318

10/10 I agree

I'd like to somehow design a way to allow one to switch side of ejection on the fly without compromising the quality of the Aug.

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Czechnology Bren 805

>>33853262
The correct answer is actually FAMAS G2

F1 doesn't take STANAGs

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Smug realist mode - 18" stainless steel polygonal barrel upper receivers

People that actually need carbines will get 10.5" with PDW stocks

Save the money, keep the M4.

>>33853235
There is no suitable replacement for the M4. It isn't the best rifle in the world but service rifles don't need to be best. They need to get the job done well for as cheap as possible so you can outfit hundreds of thousands of men with it. The M4 does that to the letter and has no deficiencies. There is no reason to replace it, and nothing to replace it with.

Having a slightly better rifle never won a war, so why replace something that already works and has nothing wrong with it?

>>33853262
lol fpbp

>>33885789
Make money; sell the M4 and replace it with AK-101. The amount of money made from the sales vs how little cost there would be in buying AKs in bulk would likely result in profit.

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>>33853262

>>33853832
The garrision museum in Aalborg has some of them.

>>33885809
You could mass produced a version of the AR-18 for cheaper.

45-70 in ar platform

>>33885609

Fuck off you SCAR loving fag :)

>>33887325
That sounds... odd... and amusing. Obviously a custom-made magazine would be needed, undoubtedly single-stack, and the upper would quite simply be WAY bigger than a typical AR upper. Could the polymer lower even handle the recoil of .45-70? I'm dubious. It would obviously have to be smokeless because not only black powder, but that MUCH of it? I don't think it'd be long before the action is so gummed up by fowling that it'd become a jam-o-matic, and no I don't use that meme term with the AR design lightly. .45-70 with smokeless powder would be a serious ass-kicker of a round, and yet, I'd kinda like to see it done. An interesting combination of 1870s US ammo design with a 1950s/60s US rifle design. Bonus points if you slap on that one big, blocky optic used on M1903 rifles during WWI. You know, the kind with the plastic eye piece that tended to cause suction on the eye socket after firing, so troops would bore holes into the sides of it? Also had a brass plate on it with info or something? 1873 ammo, 1910s optic technology, and essentially a 1959(?) design... quite interesting stuff, and spanning roughly 86 years.

Imagine a replica Springfield M1873 Trapdoor chambered in .308 mounted with an acog. Or a replica M1873 Colt Single Action Army chambered in .45 ACP somehow in spite of being a rimless cartridge... and given nightsights. I'm not even American, but I find these concepts to be very entertaining. As long as no actual historical pieces get harmed, like that poor Martini-Henry that was given an optic on Gun Broker. Takes a while to notice, but once you do... seething hatred for whoever the fuck did it...

>>33853235
He not waste money on such a fucking pointless venture

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>>33864587
>that backward keymod slot system

>>33866664

To my knowledge the internals are from the AUG.

>>33856502
I'm surprised you found a picture with it without actual literal shit in the picture.

>>33869045
Youre fucking stupid

Is there something like the G3 but follows those requirements?

>>33854051
They got a video of it, just to show it isn't vaporware.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-4G1Bo_jgA

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Seriously: HK416 in 10, 14.5, and 16 inch barrels

Jokingly: AK-102

>>33868704
A4 upper, and A3 trigger group, because fuck burst fire

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>>33868704

>Keep the pencil barrel

how about making it MORE pencil?

Escape from New York "Future M16"

>>33887511
Excuse me sir, that is clearly Costcomod.