Which branch has the best officer saber? Note, Air Force

>>33851954
The Army M1902 is the best of the three, because the regulations specify nickel-plated carbon steel. The others can be stainless steel, which means wallhanger-tier.

Having said that, go get a Patton saber.

>>33852007
>Patton """""saber"""""
>Thrusting over Slashing

Into the trash it goes

>>33852084
>slashing with any of those three fairy wands

Patton's mass will give a better cut than any of those. If you must cut, get the M1906 Cavalry saber.

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>>33851954
I didn't know they made saradomin godswords irl

>>33852084
>not thrusting over slashing

>>33851954
Since all three of those are wall-hanger display pieces with no practical use, I'm going to say the Marines' officer saber because it has the best history and symbolism.

>>33852225
>medieval sandnigger sword adopted by early 19th century sandniggaboos
Disgusting. Good thing it'll get shafted if the DoD ever gets their shit together and disbands the marine corpse.

>>33852007
>Having said that, go get a Patton saber

This

sheer class.

Patton was no ordinary man ever. Olympic fencer who designed a cavalry sabre. My favourite American ever. A great man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYhHIe_UELM

Anyone who has not yt watched the 1970 film patton immediately stop what you are doing and go and watch it

And still later as a General

Have I galloped with Murat

When we laughed at death and numbers

Trusting in the Emperor's Star.
Till at last our star faded,

And we shouted to our doom

Where the sunken road of Ohein

Closed us in it's quivering gloom.
So but now with Tanks a'clatter

Have I waddled on the foe

Belching death at twenty paces,

By the star shell's ghastly glow.
So as through a glass, and darkly

The age long strife I see

Where I fought in many guises,

Many names, -- but always me.
And I see not in my blindness

What the objects were I wrought,

But as God rules o'er our bickerings

It was through His will I fought.
So forever in the future,

Shall I battle as of yore,

Dying to be born a fighter,

But to die again, once more.

>>33852963
>>medieval sandnigger sword adopted by early 19th century sandniggaboosDisgusting. Good thing it'll get shafted if the DoD ever gets their shit together and disbands the marine corpse.


Actually it was a favoured style of British heavy cavalry and French before they were standardised. The marmaluke style hilt sword was a very elite military symbol. I'm surprised the marines have such good taste. Still rather have a patton sabre

>>33851954
>Marine Corps
ALLAHU AKBAR!
ALLAHU AKBAR!
ALLAHU AKBAR!

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>>33852963
Fun fact: many european swords have been influenced by Islamic weaponry starting the 17th century.

The concept of the saber itself for starters.

>>33854109
Curved blades have always been popular with cultures that used little armor. Doesn't mean you need to adopt their aesthetics or their inferior design elements.

>>33851954
army

>>33851954
The army, by a mile and a half.

>>33854244
>inferior design elements.

are you retarded?

>>33851954

Patton saber. Made in America by America for Americans and designed by a American.

>>33851954
army.

also the navy "saber" is actually a backsword.

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>>33851954
Army has functional cavalry saber.
Navy has duelist grade rapier
Marines just have a decoration.

>>33854244
Curved blades had been hyped by westerns because a curved edge has "more" edge with a shorter length to saw though a bigger cut or something.
>Sawing in a sword fight.

>>33854823
not that guy but lack of a developed hilt is an inferior design element

>>33853053
>marmaluke
Now I'm imagining a horde of armored Great Danes. Thanks.

>>33854846
all of them are decorations, anon.

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Did someone ask for best Saber?

>>33855040
Post the one that isn't flat.

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>>33854244
>Curved blades have always been popular with cultures that used little armor.
What did he mean by this?

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>>33855125
Who knows?

>>33852185
Lol

>>33851954
>Tfw IDF doesn't give swords to officers
One more reason not to become one.

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>>33855103

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> be space cavalry
> use straight saber

>>33854109
European sabres derive more from earlier curved European swords, eventually the western Europeans adopted a more eastern European style to go with the Hussar aesthetic.
The whole scimitar/sabre thing is not of Islamic origin. They used straight swords for most of the middle ages.
They actually originate in central Asia, afaik the Islamic world widely adopted scimitars post-Mongol invasions.

>>33852007
>Having said that, go get a Patton saber.
Patton sabre aren't even made to fight with, it's for the charge on a horse and that's it, no other applications for it and it was purely designed as such, so basically it's a sword that tries to be a spear but is at least twice as short... Great sword indeed.

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Which service has the best NCO saber?

>>33855487
navy CPO cutlass; the only remotely functional sword in the US arsenal beside the army NCO sword which is pretty much the same straight bladed shell guarded sword dating back to the early 19th century.

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>>33851954
>marine corpse
>sandniggers shamshir

>>33851954
army by far

PLA cavalry still has saber. Although they seem to do training whit sabers it seems more like a gimmick to me. R8

https://youtu.be/aOpnqLWNSsw?t=1m27s

>>33855549
skip to 1:27 for saber

>>33854109

Incorrect, Sabres originate from Hungary, they became popular in Europe as everyone started copying the Austro-Hungarian Empire, especially their hussars. America eventually copied as it tried to fit in.

What is islamic is the Mameluke Sabre, which originated in the Otoman Empire, and also became popular in europe , people thought it was exotic, of course the ones used by Europeans tended to be less curved and longer.
Again, America copied to try and fit in with the european powers.

>>33855569
*sword, the mameluke one is sometimes retroactively known as a sabre because it is curved

>>33855027
But do the normies know that?

>>33855125
He may have a point.
Curved blades are meant for slashing over the thrust

Also that sword is more like a backsword and only has a very slight curve.

And may i also add that not everyone would have that armour and even the ones who did would not wear it all the time, moreover it is only lamellar armour and has bad coverage

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>>33855569
Incorrect. Sabers ultimately originate from Central Asia. They descended from the early dao blades Han, 3 Kingdoms, Jin, Nanbeichao, Sui, T'ang Chinese soldiers used. The eastern Nomads adopted it and sometime in the 700s-900s, gave a curve.

They brought the sword to the middle east via Mamluk soldier-slaves from Central Asia getting hired by the shitloads by the Abbasids. It became associated with the middle east largely due to waves of Central Asians invading the place, starting with the Seljuks, then various Turkic princes, then the Mongols, then Turkic princes carving the region up until.

Since Hungarians were Nomadshits, and have been extensively influenced by Central Asiatic people, even invaded by them repeatedly until they disappeared under the Ottomans, of course they would have the saber. The only thing Hungary did to the western world was gave it a name that was only widely used by the late 17th Century. Prior to that, such swords were identified prior the 17th century, they were known as "Scimitars" to the French and the English and are associated with Muslims and the "Tartars."

I mean, Jesus, look at this: Hungarian Szabla are positively reeking in Turkic/Central Asian influence. How can it be native Hungarian.

>>33855608
He doesn't have a point because he's working on Katana contrarianism memes where "da single edge sword users only kill unarmored peasants lyl."

>>33855677

I'm sorry but i have to disagree with that theory, the hungarian sabre evolved not from scimitars, its a common misconception.

The Avars (hungarians) are said to have used sabres in Charlemagne's time , of course they were somewhat different from the ones we know, whereas eastern sabres (the kilij), which may more credibly follow your theory, only became widely used in the near east in the 14th century. Thus i would say that it is my opinion that they developed separately, you are free to disagree.

>>33855704
Well curved swords are for slashing, as due to alignment they are worse at the thrust. Although it is hard to say what armours a slash could get through as it varies on the man, the armour and the sword, although it is true that swords- especially curved ones, were more often used on people with little armour and as armour became cheaper and better, swords became ore dedicated to thrusting.
Of course then we would have to discus if a slash can get through mail? I dont know, i would think it unlikely. Can a slash get through lamellar? Maybe, can it get through plate? No. But then we get into things like coverage and avaliability which have a lot of variation.

Katanas especially are worse at thrusting, despite being great at slashing, due to the different metals used, as well as the curve.

He didnt mention single edged swords so i cannot comment, however single edged swords (backswords) were often very good at thrusting, unless you are referring to eastern curved ones which are obviously less able.

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>>33851954

Is there any symbolism to Officers using a curved blade and NCOs using a straight blade?

>>33855950
Everybody in the military gets shafted; it's just less straightforward the higher up you are in the COC.

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>>33855784
>Theory.
It literally isn't.
>The Avars (hungarians)
HAHAHAHAHAHA
You're Magyars, idiot.

That doesn't matter though, considering the Avars either were from Central Asia, if they were in any way connected with the Caucasus Avars, or at any rate, influenced by Central Asians.

Want Evidence? Ring pommels, nigger. That is a hallmark of Han-T'ang Period Dao swords, the very sword Central Asians adopted.

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>>33856026
>>33855784
Han period Dao.

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>>33856038
>>33856026
>>33855784
Swords from the Sui-T'ang period (600s'-700s)

>>33856026

Hungarians are a mix, the French would claim gontinuation from the Gauls but theyy are also Franks, the English would claim to be entirely anlo-saxon but are mixed with celtic, same with most Germans, the czechs are slavs mixed with celts etc etc..

>>33855125
>>33855148
>>33855608
>>33855704
>>33855833
>off-handed explanation why euros used straight swords
>autistic screeching
Honestly it may be a bit more complex irl, but it's the first reason to think of. Notably, euros did use falchions and curved knives... mostly against lightly armed foot soldiers and civilians. Sabres became a thing when the average soldier was unarmoured, doubt that was coincidence.

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>>33856048
Why not new one?

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>>33855420
>basically a spear but twice as short
>twice as short

>>33851954
There's a Marine saber in Quantico with an imprint of John Brown's dome bent into it. Marine officer brained him with his dulled parade sword during the course of his arrest. Pretty fuckin cool, man.

>>33854843
A cutlass would have been cooler.

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>>33851954
Awwww

The 'murricans are talking about saber design. How cute.

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>>33852185
Ign?
Osrs
Mines: N_E_E_T

>>33857253
Let me guess, you're a pole. Nobody masturbates to their sabers like poles do.

>>33854109
Bait.

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Doesn't matter. Highland Broadsword is best sword.

>>33857627
Because nobody has better sabers. 16th and 17th century Polish nobility being obsessed with eastern culture and sabers being a national weapon is a factor as well.

>>33858268
>Muh polish saber is the best saber ever ever ever made
It's like katanafaggotry, though at least only poles do it.

>>33858542
Except the polish saber was actually good. Having the best cavalry in the world also helped. And i'm not talking about the polish husars.

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Japanese Saber at 19th Century Meiji period.
Katana Blade in European style handle.

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model 1917 navy cutlass. Made for serious battle. Issued to late to see action.

>>33859634

What's the difference between that blade and the blades in OP?

>>33859634
Ah, the fabled two-handed saber. Now we just need to find the two-handed smallsword.

>>33851954
I've always had a hard-on for straight blades. Even if they look goofy as hell with a curved handle i'd go with navy based on aesthetics alone

>>33861019
>Katana Blade in European style handle.

>>33855525
Dates back to when the marines attacked Tripoli to suppress the Barbary pirates.

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If swords are for pokey, not for slashy, why don't we use half pikes

>>33856330
>say dumb wrong shit
>be surprised when people call you out on it

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>>33855833
>katanas especially are worse at thrusting, despite being great at slashing, due to the different metals used, as well as the curve.
Katanas can thrust fine. They're better at slashing, but I don't know why people think they can't thrust when they were used to thrust historically all the time. Most of them aren't even that curved. They're not fucking shamshirs.

>>33852084
C O N T E X T

>>33862142
You can't carry a halfpike around on your hip with you

>>33865542

Maybe not if you're a manlet

Are you a manlet, anon?

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>>33857744

Man I needed this laugh, thank you for exposing me to these pictures

>>33866024
Bruh. Those are valid pictures and reminders. Gotta shift that leg to beat those dirty anglos.

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>>33866024
>>33866606
These are from Angelo's sabre / broadsword piece who was a very influential fencing master, they are quite serious pieces, but if they make people laugh then it's double the usefulness I suppose.

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Chinese naval officers get the Jian.

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>>33869282

>>33862779
Except it's true. Notably, steppe nomads were mostly unarmored (no, posting a picture of the elite in very crude lamellar is not an argument). The middle east originally used straight swords. They adopted curved swords about a time when armor became less popular due to gunpowder. (The fully armored ottoman cavalryman would be fighting mostly unarmored infantry btw...)

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>>33857253
Uspokój się Waść

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>>33869956

>>33869956
Szlag mnie trafia jak widzę tego zdrajcę w asyście wojska, które pierwsze powinno mu palnąć w ten zdradziecki łeb.

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>>33870104
Tabletek zapomniałeś

>>33869956
>>33869975
>>33870074
>>33870140
>>33870182
>>33870209
>>33870247
The saber thing sure didn't work out last time. Coats are very stylish though.

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>>33857627
Sabers are to the Poles what Katanas are to the Japs.
Except that we didn't invent them.

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>>33870297

Please, our superior Polish sabers folded a whole one time cut through German tanks like through butter

*tips Rogatywka

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guys what does it write on this sword and what does it mean its a hungarian sabre

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>>33870599
is it a szekely hussar sword it has the same sybolms from their flag

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>>33869282

They use to

Now they've civilized and caught up with the rest of the world

>>33870659

shame they copy things when their originals are better in this case

>tfw European countries don't issue arming swords, gladius and rapiers

>>33870104
Other than a (you), I have something else for you anon. ;^)

https://youtu.be/kFP8AF_GiVM

>>33870897
The US dress swords are every bit as european as those other ones (well, except for the marine shamshir). Fashion evolves, that's how it works.

Perhaps the chinese will set a new military dress fashion eventually and emancipate from the painfully western/russian style they have now. We can't expect the west to show any innovation in that field any more...

>>33871669
All white with gloves and a hat and some black/gold contrasts look really boring. Practical for a sailor to be brightly colored but otherwise isn't aesthetic.

They need more colors. And capes.

Why don't we have engraved 1911s instead of swords for officers and NCOs?

>>33865947
Patton was.

>>33854866
Not if you use a shield with the saber

>>33869778
>Steppe nomads were the only ones who had curved single edged swords.
Lyl

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>>33869282
>>33869293
>Movie prop tier Jian.
Cringe.

The least they couldve done is use Qing period Jian that every swordsmith in China still knows how to make.

Also in keeping with the military's tendency to "let's use things from the 18th-19th century as ceremonial shit."

>>33872709
I just wish everyone would make a mass produced functional, non-wallhanger design so that officers could actually elect to carry their sword around on their hip if they reaaaaally wanted to.

>>33870104
>>33869930

>pschepschypschypsche pschepsche

Even the vatniks try to use english while posting here. Truly, poles are the worst slavs.

>>33857270
Not playing /v/scape?

>>33859634
That's fucking cool

>>33869778
Swords in general weren't effective against armor, so using armor as a criteria for which swords are inferior is pretty dumb.

But keep going >WEST EUROPE A STRONK as much as you want.

>>33870897
They have their original sabres and smallswords typically though.
Arming swords, gladius and rapiers fell out of fashion at one point.

>>33873633
>Swords in general weren't effective against armor, so using armor as a criteria for which swords are inferior is pretty dumb.
A sword that is suited to thrusting is still better for dealing with armored opponents than one that is not. Keep in mind the most common forms of armor found in Europe during the Medieval period are going to be chainmail and gambesons, both of which are very effective at dealing with slashing or cutting weapons. And thrusts are much more suited to finding gaps in any type of armor than a cut.

What's best all depends on historical context.

>>33854109
>muh curved swords are Islamic
>???

>>33851954
Army, The only other branch of the armed forces represented is the Navy. AF is a corporation that uses the army's saber, and the Marine Corps is a dangerous cult.

>>33852007
>The others can be stainless steel, which means wallhanger-tier.
Tell me, why is stainless steel considered bad for a sword ? It's perfectly accepted in knives.

>>33875958
Most stainless steels get brittle on long blades, which is obviously bad if you expect to actually hit anything with it.

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>tfw everyone has sabers, but you don't because Nazis n shiet

What are the rules nowadays for non-regulation blades?

Like back in the 19th century officers could buy and use swords that didn't have standard blades but otherwise looked similar.

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>>33873633
>>33875797
good enough for armored targets

>>33877854

German Army doesn't even have a ceremonial one?

>>33869282
>>33869293
I think it's because that Jian resemebles a Jian from the Han dynasty and since China mostly identifies as Han, they want a symbol from the dynasty that founded the Chinese Han identity.

>>33860363
I do enjoy short swords and cutlasses. Manueverable and strong. Odds of you ever getting into a sword fight are basically zero, so a long sword doesn't make that much sense today

>>33862808
The world has finally shrugged off anime and the samurai movies and realize that katanas and basically all Japanese weapons of that era are shit compared to basically any other cultures.

>>33860363

Copied from the Dutch Klewang, which did see action in WW2. I believe all officers carried one, not only in the colonies but also in Europe. I know of 3 recorded kills in during the German invasion.

>>33852185
>Sara
>not Armadyl

LULN

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>>33880922
In Jungle combat against colonial rebels the Klewang would be their main weapon, using a carbine or smg as a shield and only use that weapon in an emergency.

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>>33862808
>They're not fucking shamshirs

even then the British 1796 pattern light cavalry sabre was nearly as curved as a shamshir(it was inspired by the Indian tulwar) but the field regs still taught how to "give point"

although General Le Happy Merchant strongly discouraged it

his idea was that a curved sword is better because slashing is superior to thrusting in chaotic turning/winding cavalry skirmishes and whether you slash or thrust in a charge doesn't matter because it will fuck the enemy up either way