Just picked up this SP01. Ten yards, about 60 rounds. Post range

>>33835162
10 yards? Nigga step up.

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>>33835162
Just a cool picture worthy impact trying out the new 308 vepr a week ago.

I bought a metal & polymer ak off a guy I know
Didn't see it in person before I asked if I could buy it. Only saw pictures. When we actually met and I saw it, it looked like cheap airshit chinese shit. I was too autistic to back out since I had really bugged him to buy it.

[spoiler]Kill me[/spoiler]

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>>33835192
and the recent purchase

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>>33835162
Well done.

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>there's people who waste 60 rounds shooting at the same ragged hole for an nearly an hour

Absolutely disgusting, you're better off taking the bullets out of the box and tossing them towards the berm.

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>>33835162
>10 yards
so you were basically on top of it?

>>33835259
Are you a literal preschooler? Can you count past 10? There is a difference between 10 and 100 you dipshit

>>33835194
Show us

>>33835259
Majority of gunfights happen at about 7 yards so he was shooting at an above average gunfight range.

>>33835232
>$3000 gun
>SAO
you should be grouping about half that size. put more money towards ammo and range time

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>>33835374
>Majority of gunfights happen at about 7 yards so he was shooting at an above average gunfight range.

And that explains the really tight groups. Let's not get into this please. OP was merely shooting at a slow cadence at ten yards to test out his new gun, nothing more.

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>>33835374
>>33835445
I'm not sure what you guys' are high on but that looks like 100, not 10 to me

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>>33835173
You mean step back.

>>33835382
That was a minute drill.

>>33835470
Who gives a shit what it says on the paper?
It's intended by 100 yard sighting, but I can put a 100 yard target right in front of my muzzle if I wanted.

>>33835162
>ten yards
*yawns*

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>>33835162
Also 10 yards

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>>33835470
>>33835470
Please tell me this is a troll. Nobody could be this retarded, please.

>>33835249
Yeah because shooting ability is over rated right? I bet your groups look like grate holes

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>>33835611
Saved image. Kek'd

>>33835840
>only three rounds

>>33835192
>>33835197
Sick... very nice

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>>33835259
>30
>right on top of

>>33835950
>Yeah because shooting ability is over rated right? I bet your groups look like grate holes

You're retarded as fuck. Slow fire at 10 yards is not an indication of precision or skill.

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>>33835162
cool anon - come shoot the DOTM with us, you can do EZ, Hardmode or both!

Also the rules for last months drill are in the thread if you want to see how you stack up to the old FBI bullseye standards.

>>33804435

>>33835966
There are 6 but out of curiosity, what completely arbitrary value would your insignificant and irrelevant opinion deem appropriate?

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>>33836057
10 rounds is the general standard for measuring accuracy or precision or both with a pistol.

3 really has no presence in any meaningful way.

For example if I had stopped at 3 rounds on this target I might have ended up with a quarter sized group at 25 yards - that's not an accurate representation of my abilities, 10 reveals a lot more.

Still nice shooting.

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>>33836092
So these 4 shots at 10 yards that I am sort of proud of; totally meaningless.
Okay, thanks.
I can probably find an old picture with more shots somewhere, lemme look.

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>>33836119
>>33836092
Here, this was like 15 shots at 7 or 10 yards, can't recall, from the day I bought the gun. That's about as good as I can do.

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>>33836119
>>33836141

Not picking a fight - this has been the logic on group shooting for a long time is all. 3-5 round groups create a "cherry picked" situation where at 10 you've basically demonstrated consistency, you are free to feel how you want about it, but it is what it is, I didn't make it up.

Here's another example, clearly the 10 shot group is more than 2x the size of the five shot groups, I couldn't hide my failure points as well in the 10 shot group.

Once again, very nice shooting.

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>>33836196
It's all good. I don't own this gun anymore but found this pic too, it's a full magazine at 7 yards and 25 yards iirc.

>>33836019
Putting 60 rounds through a 3/4 inch hole is pretty damn impressive.... you'll understand one day when you grow up.

>>33836443
Nvm, guess it was 10 shots at 25 yards, probably had palms resting too. Get into some vision limitations at that distance.

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>>33836443
lovely m8.

You really should participate in DOTM with us. I would love to see you retroactively shoot the FBI bullseye qualifier, looks like you might have the chops to give the A/k/ crew and contender anon a run for their money.

Also Sweet 16 is really fun to experiment with as well.

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>>33836443
>>33836196
>>33836141
>>33836119
>>33835840
>>33835232
>>33835162
How do I get this good :(

this is at 15ft :(

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>>33836507
Dryfire like crazy, shoot as much as you can afford. Master your counterforce application and always apply it correctly in sequence with the ignition of the gasses.

Always break the trigger on the cleanest sight picture you can muster, don't forget to breath and break the trigger at the repository apex or pause.

Build up grip strength and learn to move your trigger finger without disrupting the sights.

Read this for more info: https://www.scribd.com/document/346633700/Git-Gud-k-s-Guide-to-Practicing-Defensive-Pistolcraft-Revision-1

And shoot DOTM with us - it will always have an accuracy component and will get you used to gauging your progress and give you the opportunity for some friendly competition.

Don't despair, you are off to a good start and are already ahead of most pistol owners ability.

>>33836507
>slow down so you can concentrate on form
>take a break after every 5 rounds
>only put 5 or 10 rounds in your magazine at a time
>Watch Jerry Miculek how to shoot a pistol video.
Back to basics
Back to basics
Back to basics
Or hire a tutor

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This is my first gun and I've put 300 rounds through it so far.

I've been loading 5 at a time with 2 targets on the board. Shoot 5 at each, reload, then swap targets. Im starting at 10 yards because it feels good.

>>33835322
>>33835984
not the same anon, but am I having a fucking stroke right now or is it just you guys? OP's post said ten, right?

>>33836507
>>33836507
>hire a tutor
second anon is right, you need training

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>>33836507
Stay focused on the front sight not so much the target. Remember to push with your grip hand and pull with your off hand don't over squeeze the gun. Use the pad of your trigger finger and don't forget to breathe. What you can do on your off time is something called a penny drill. Put a penny on the front sight post and trie to dry fire your firearm without knocking the penny off. This may seem impossible but I can do it with my double action so you should be able to do it with yours.

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>>33837279
>Remember to push with your grip hand and pull with your off hand

Dated advice for weaver stance, wrong for modern isosceles

>Use the pad of your trigger finger

Wrong as fuck - everybody has different hand sizes and LOP varies on guns, this is bad advice

>Put a penny on the front sight post and trie to dry fire your firearm without knocking the penny off.

This is also dated and worthless technique

>>33835259
Kek what is this?

I havent been to the fucking range in almost 2 months. Keep waiting for the cheaper outdoor range to open up.

>>33837121
You look like you're shooting just to hit the center, and not doing so well.

Try to hit aim for the same spot every time, group it then adjust accordingly.

I was getting dime sized groups with my 17 at 15 yards.

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How'd I do?

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>>33835162
>be noguns fag (a true /k/ lurker)
>Rent guns to a range near me
>A friend of mine begin to go with me to said range
>Ok with pistols, but he's pretty bad with rifles
>One day, he was shooting, I was on my phone, he was with an AK and he shot the ceiling of the range, like a little plank
>At the and of our shooting, we go to see the RO to pay our ammo/renting (we didn't saw the damage)
>RO is pretty pissed
>Have to pay 250 bucks for the damage
>Both banished from the range until we take a course on gun safety
>Still never took it
>It's been 6 months

>>33837496
> Put a penny on the front sight post
> This is also dated and worthless technique.

Anon, where can I find these new pistols that overcome the law of gravity. Shit sounds cool.

>>33836507
Just realize when people say 15 yards, they really mean 15 feet. I can't tell you how many times I've been at an indoor range and there are lines on the floor that are graduated by 5's. 5-10-15-20

The brosephs renting a gun push the target out to 20 "yards" and brag about their 8" grouping, what they've really done is push it to 15 feet, and not realize the shadow is projected to 20 feet line and they're too stupid to realize just how close the target is.

Not accusing anyone here, but most people cannot accurately measure out distances just by eyeballing, and mistake feet for yards.

>>33837746
15 feet and 15 yards look nothing alike for anyone familiar with a first down.

>>33837746
15 feet is 5 yards, there's no way in hell you could confuse the two.

>>33837764
And most familiar with a first down only know what it is because they see professional athletes sprinting on television where a sense of distance, and relation size isn't very good to begin with.

Seriously; next time you're outside with someone ask them how far a random object is. Ask them how far it is in yards. Chances are, they will estimate it wrong.

>>33837764
> using foozeball analogies
> on 4 chins

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>>33837666

>>33837818
Even if they've never set foot on a football field, people have to have used a tape measure, or swam down at the 10' deep side of a pool.

>>33836019
>Slow fire at 10 yards is not an indication of precision
I don't think you understand what precision is.

>>33837496
And where is your Target in all of this?

>>33837818
I thought this was bait at first but it seems you're just full of yourself.
Let me clue you in, the indoor ranges the bulk of us use have computer controlled targets
>punch in 30'
>enjoy shooting at 10 yards
>Get told by anon you can't eyeball the difference and don't know a foot from a yard
Okay..

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>>33835162
CZ masterace reporting in

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>>33837890
I'm not the best marksman, but that's not a prerequisite for reading and following current training techniques and dryfire training drills.
>>33836196
>>33836566

Frankly this one >>33836092
Is the best example of precision I've posted but people gravitate to the clover leaf stuff shot at the 7 yard line because it looks nicer, even though it's much less challenging that the 25 10 shot group.

My best FBI bullseye qualifier pictured, probably a stronger accomplishment than any of the other posted groups - but much harder to appreciate unless you've shot it before.

>>33835197
1 of 300 right?

>>33837804
>15 feet is 5 yards, there's no way in hell you could confuse the two.


Come check out your local indoor range, you'll be surprised.

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>>33835192
>>33835197
hijacking the thread for a quick unboxing of ammo I got for playing around with
>>33838399
Supposedly. Molot is about as reliable as a methhead for importing anything cool in a timely manner. Years and no more fluted barrel sporters, no rpks, etc etc.

>>33837850
God damn, the glass in that painting... Also, are those fucking stroopwafles?

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And as per usual, the first thing I like to do is see what I'm working with. Bullets confirmed magnetic.

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Got 5 shots in at sunset with the 308, passes the plinker accuracy test anyway. I'll have to test the psl with the 54r another day.
The first two on the left are the ones when the sun was making it easy to spot that shiny center, the last 3 on the right are once it got hard to see and I was guessing a bit more.

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>>33837496
>>33838024
Sorry I'm just getting back to comment on this but I was at the range doing practical application instead of theoretical study. Please continue.

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>>33839905
Ib4 those who say it wasn't 25 yards.

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>>33839905
The thread asked for groups, I posted them, then you asked for my groups, I linked them, considering this is a group thread it was topic related.

Most of my shooting is time focused drill based. I generally run 3 cold FASTs before moving on to of time based drills, and now-a-days the only bullseye stuff I do is for DOTM contributing, generally. My median clean FASTs are 5.4-5.8 seconds, my personal best(s) are 2 tied 4.98 - hoping to earn a FAST coin some day

Are you done peacocking? Your advice was filled with bad data, sorry if correcting that offends you, I'm not picking a fight.

>>33839983
Bad data equals better results that's a weird world we live in these days.

>>33839983
>>33840040
Gentlemen, both of your guns are pretty.

>>33837850
A baker's dozen of keks

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>>33840442
Thank you my good fellow.

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that hill in the distance has a 2x2 steel plate painted white, you can barely make it out. 950 yards.

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>>33840501

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>>33840501
shooting unknown ranges tiger valley.

>>33840442
thanks ref.

>>33840040
However much better you imagine your skill level does not make your teaching advice sound.

Christ sake's it's not like I just made up what I said, I learned it by reading the most current and effective training processes, heck maybe if you took it in to account you might accelerate your development even quicker.

Also practical shooting at 25 yards, while challenging, doesn't reflect the realities of a pistol fight, so while you accost me for "doing it wrong", I submit you are misinformed of the nature of a defensive pistol fight, and I would recommend reading articles from some of the better trainers on what they consider meaningful practice. I would look into the more practical and measurable pistol drills as well, having a measuring stick to gauge performance is useful.

If you want to take this post as an affront to your ability that's your call, I'm simply suggesting while you have physical talent - you are not approaching you training and improvement in the most effective way.

And if it will break your OODA loop of facile, dickwaving hostile responses - YES YOU ARE THE MAN I SUBMIT TO YOUR AWESOMENESS

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>>33837935
Fellow CZ fag here.

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>>33835162
>recent purchases thread.
The Shadow 2.
30 rounds at about 30yd.

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>>33835162
I cant shoot for shit with my sp-01
My rapid fire is more accurate than firing slow.

>>33843515
Where the fuck did you get one?
My local gun Store wanted $2,200 to order one

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>>33843662
Well I bought it in my country, Italy. In the rest of the world it was released in the spring of last year. Here we had to wait 1 more year due to import bureaucracy, CZ being stingy fuck and initially exporting only 300 pieces to Italy, plus them taking their damn time to convert the barrels to 9x21 (semiautomatic handguns chambered in 9x19 are restricted to police use only in italy).
The price here is € 1250 (approx 1420 usd). I was able to reserve one of those 300 guns thanks to a friend who owns a gun shop and preordered a few of them 9 months earlier.

>>33837279
>don't over squeeze the gun
this is specifically the opposite of what I've been taught. are you not supposed to grip with your support hand to just short of trembling?

>>33843756
What I was always taught was that over gripping leads to trigger jerking. You can't have smooth response from one finger if the rest are trying to strangle the firearm. Having a moderate grip with your main hand and a firm cover grip with your off hand leaving the trigger finger on your main hand able to move freely and smoothly. All so you may properly manipulate the trigger without involuntary jitters.

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>>33843756
>just short of trembling

NOPE! Hand should be gripped right my enough so the gun doesn't shift around in your hand - you don't have to readjust your grip after a couple rounds. What's important is that you LOCK YOUR WRISTS! Muzzle rise is controlled through pushing strength through wrist - the importance of gripping tightly with support hand is so the LEFT WRIST engages firearm

I used to do the same thing you do, it just leads to shooter fatigue, bad sight wobble, and eventually flinching

>>33844061
>right my

*tight

>>33844061
What he said.

>>33843747
>getting guns in Italy

Nice commitment negro - cool guns but the grips sono disgustosi

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>>33844075
It's not that hard to get guns here, compared to the rest of nofunland.

The grips are low profile standard grips. That's what everyone uses in IPSC here. The blue ones came with the shadow 2 out of the box. The yellow ones on the sp 01 are aftermarket. Also made of brass and I love them because they add a little bit more weight to the gun.

Personally I think they are the best grips available for the shadow. They have a very coarse spiked texture that sinks in your skin (almost hurts if you squeeze them hard) allowing a very firm grip even with sweaty hands, without having to use disgusting sporting anti-slip concoctions like FirmGrip.

>>33844068
I realized I didn't bring any supporting or useful evidence in to play, I apologize, here's a great link that covers 2 of the 3 issues

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?7708-Dry-Practice-Misconceptions-Updated-12-04-16

This covers the "penny" dryfire - that technique is also specifically covered further down the thread by Jay and other professional instructors

>If you are staging the trigger during dry practice, you're screwing yourself. A long, slow trigger press almost never increases your chance of getting a hit. In fact, what it tends to do is significantly contribute to the anticipation that leads to jerking the trigger. You all know what that looks like; for right-handed shooters it usually manifests itself as hits low left. You are better off pressing the trigger straight through decisively, regardless of trigger characteristics. This short-circuits mental agony which helps mitigate jerking the trigger due to anticipation. Commit!

This part covers the "use the pad of your finger"

>If you persist in using "just the tip" of your trigger finger because you were trained that way, you're screwing yourself. If you're reading this you've likely taken formal training and you've likely been told to use just the tip of your finger on the trigger. I'm telling you to use how much ever finger you need to minimize movement of the gun. This requires experimentation. You may only need just the tip of your finger. You may need to jam your whole finger in up to the second knuckle. You need to figure it out, and now is the time. You'll know when it's right, because the sights won't move. Note that this is an even more important consideration for SHO and WHO dry practice and shooting, which typically (but not always) require more trigger finger than usual.

I don't have any quick access to "push pull" not being a technique for a isosceles stance, but I've seen it addressed

Once again, not picking a fight, and good shooting

>>33844068
Here are Jay's thoughts specificall regarding the "penny" balance technique, the convo starts bottom of page 7

>To be brutally blunt - as a teaching method, I've placed it in the category of "parlor trick". I'm not intending to be snarky or dismissive - I've used the above technique for years - but I've kind of deleted it unless it serves a very specific purpose.

>The reason why I've deleted it as a teaching technique is that I found that I could get anybody, of any skill level, to do it within 10 minutes. It struck me that the ability of a new shooter to successfully do this did not translate into any better real trigger control. It's ponderous, it eats time, it's very difficult to do solo, and you can achieve the desired result (case or coin stays on the front sight) even if you have a lousy, weak grip... if you pull the trigger very slowly and carefully. There are much easier, more effective methods to train dry trigger control. I'm not saying the technique is never useful, just that I keep it in the magic hat

(I combined 2 posts to make it simpler to read his thoughts)

I'll try to dig up a push/pull grip reference if I have the down time at work

>>33844068

A little on push/pull grip

>As far as the grip goes, as soon as I adopted the modern Iso, I was never a fan of keeping the traditional alignment of the pistol's muzzle being in line with the forearm of the shooting hand. This is partially because I have short fingers and need to break that alignment to get a good trigger manipulation, but it also made less sense to me to maintain bone alignment as I will get into shortly. This straight alignment was IMO adopted from the "Weaver" and more from the "Chapman" and the "push / pull" era and recoil management and that was OK for then.

Here's Bob Vogel's thoughts on pressure applied
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45QhpvY9LZc
>now the actual pressure I'm applying here is - "In" with both hands.

Here's a list off the top of my head of instructors/professional shooters who will outright tell you not to use push/pull if you asked them
Frank Proctor
Dave Sevigney
Earnest Langdon
Gabe White
Todd Green
Tom Givens
Travis Haley
Rob Leatham

>>33844808
>>33844715
>>33844650
I appreciate you citing your sources and giving me plenty of things to read. The truth of the matter is I'm not an isosceles guy and I probably never will be. It all boils down to one undeniable concept of, Cover. An isosceles system is setup for those wearing plate carriers and full tac gear. More often than not you will not be wearing your kit as a civilian. Presenting the biggest target possible does not appeal to me. If you look at most successful firearm defensive situations the person who came out on top was the one who had cover. I do appreciate what a lot of these classes are teaching for the situations they are in, but I am not military personnel nor am I a police officer. I do not have the luxury of carrying body armor on me everyday. I train for what would be available to me in the fight. If you don't have cover, find cover. Distance is the key to success in handgun fights. Most people can't make a shot past 10 feet little or less 60. If you have the distance and the cover and the ability to put shots on target at all ranges. A much better situation than if you are trying to draw from the drop. I'm not some superhero that can move faster than the guy who has a gun already on me. Which is normally the case. I'm not going to draw and fire on some asshole when he tries to take my wallet. I'm going to stay cool and collected wait for my opportunity and then strike. I'm not and have not been discrediting anything you've been saying up to this point. All of these things work well for the people that use them for the things they're using them with. My system works for me they've made me into the proficient shooter that I am today. A simple civilian carrying everyday who may have to defend himself or his family should the time arise.

>>33843747
9x19 restricted to police! What the hell?
If 9mm is restricted, are most other service calibers restricted? 40, 45, Magnum rounds, etc?

>>33838024
this is pretty much my spread with a 9mm at 7yards.

15yrads with a .45 is much more centered and tight. why would that be?

>>33847817
probably your .45 has a trigger than is "easier" to shoot accurately for you, also could be things like a longer sight radius, more "precision" designed sights, and a steel frame for reduced felt recoil on the .45.

>>33837507
the ballerina .

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Just picked up a PST Gen II 3-15x44 FFP. Got it less than an hour ago.

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>>33849582
Reticle at 10x

>>33837201
Yeah, but then OP got butthurt and started posting nonsense and moved the goal post.

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Just put this plinker together this week, going to test it out in the morning.

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Found a rare in the store.

>>33836443

Why'd you sell your legion?

>>33836507
either anticipating the recoil and flinching or jerking the trigger. Practice dry firing so you can smoothly pull the trigger without flinching.

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>>33849582
Nice. How much did you drop on it?
I need a scope for my new MVP but everything I look at is over the 500 mark. Why do <6x scopes cost so much?