TFB backs up lying traitors RRA and SA. Anyone who reads their

Yay something else to boycott

>>33827370
explain

>>33827370
No backstory or rundown.

Nice thread OP

>>33827370
>senior writer
>could care less
>we would covered it

Jesus fucking christ, america.

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>>33827370
DRAIN THE SWAMP

>>33827867
>>33827870
How do you all not know about the SA and RRA lobby group going neutral on the Illinois gun control bill yet?

>SA and RRA donate to lobby group opposing bill
>Bill revised to exempt gun manufacturers
>Suddenly lobby group drops opposition
>TFB defends SA and RRA

>>33827889
i don't live in Illinois

>>33827370
removing my patreon donation

>>33827902
>Tripfags

>>33827924
Good. Be sure to spread this.

>>33827932
might as well use the money to add into my donation to Ian

>>33827932
Is it just me, or are there more tripfags on /k/ than anywhere else?

>>33827967
I'm not a fan of Karl but Ian seems pretty good forgotten weapons is a nice channel. Certainly better spent than with TFB.

>>33827996
I'd say it's the generals. Generals attract them alot.

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>>33827996
this is in 2012, the heyday of /o/, not sure if there's ever been an updated pic

>>33827996
Yes. High number on boards where the content is based largely on possesions. Most non retards dont trip outside of generals. most.

>I could care less how RRA and Springfield does with their dollars.

I swear, none of the staff know how to proofread.

>>33827370
>tfb doesn't talk politics
>doesn't talk about manufacturers shooting themselves in the foot over politics
>explains this silence is consistent with their no politics rule
How is this defending Springfield and RRA? It's just declining to talk about it?
How is--oh it's a "costa can't swim and Ian is pro-gun control" style bait thread. Carry on. You'll get at least 100 posts.

>>33828057
Did you even look at their sight?

Before you accuse me of bait learn what the fuck you're talking about. They've done stuff on the HPA, gun companies in general (what this is), advertise the NRA conventions etc.

Stop shitposting you mongoloid. And he literally said "I don't care what SA or RRA does with their money" so much for staying out of it.

Oh and they're friends with the guy.

Get out.

>>33827889
>>33827902
>How do you all not know about the SA and RRA lobby group going neutral on the Illinois gun control bill yet?

I'm in California. We've got our own problems.

Anyhow, as I recently said on Gab, democracy promised to give us the government that we the people want, but instead what it gave us is the government that a dozen huge megacities want. Chicago is one of them, as are LA and San Francisco. All of the rest of you in Illinois - like all of the rest of us in California - are their hostages.

>>33828119
I don't live in Illinois. I've never even been there.

Doesn't change anything about this.

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>>33828106

>>33828242
Alex C. you can stop defending what remains of your channel now

>>33828263
Alex C. is no longer part of TFB.

>>33828242
Time to leave kiddo. Stop trying to derail Patrick you fat ugly low IQ midget.

>>33828242
Paragraphs are the unit of written thought. If you cannot indent, a double space is used instead to separate paragraphs.

Anon may have used too many paragraphs, but why are you bitching about using newlines. They cost nothing.

>>33828303
I did use too many paragraphs there I admit it. But I was typing while enraged.

>>33828291
Someone should tell him that

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Yeah TFB have been a collection of cunts for a while back. A friend of mine sent this email to them to let them know why he was done with their site, and they sent a pretty jackassy response.

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>>33828495

This response just kinda clinched it for me. Between posting the same articles more than once, articles that lacked any content and read like press releases for whatever manufacturer they had..

Idk. They used to be interesting. Now they're just boring and cunty. Bad combo.

And now, the cowshit icing on the cake, is being 100% shilltacular shitbags.

This is my surprised face.

>>33828495
I have never been a real sub or watcher of their content but I definitely do notice the clickbait just from what I have watched.

Also their firearm "reviews" are akin to ads. Which is nothing new but especially after this SA and RRA deal piles onto the shillness.

>>33828530
Pretty douchey way to respond to a concerned long time reader.

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>>33828546
If you read the press releases that RRA and SA dropped minutes apart today it's plain to see that they are in full on dindu mode.

TFB is apparently on board to try and slide this down the news cycle and try to get it down the memory hole.

They all forget what the gun community did to S&W in the 90s before there was an internet.

Dey's gon' learn.

"Firearms Not Politics" is literally their tagline. Why would you expect them to have a professional interest in this issue?

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>>33828592
Oh I fucking hope so. I hope every single gun channel, gun site or gun mag that defends this goes down to the pits of hell along with RRA and SA.

Here's a typical nuTFB reader and one example of the comments that doesn't get deleted.

>>33828607
Read the thread.

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>/k/ getting booty-bothered because a website that avoids politics is avoiding politics

>>33828668
>I can't read so I'll make a stupid green text post to show my ignorance

>>33828607
If this story was only about the bill in question I'd agree with you but it's not. It is about two companies in the industry selling out individuals and small business in their home state to protect themselves.

TFB has covered industry politics in the past, so if they are going to hide behind the fact that this story also involves actual govt politics they can fuck right off.

>>33828668
It should tip you off that this has gotten personal for them when they are outright shit-talking other blogs in their comment section and deleting posts left and right.

That's not normal behavior at TFB which should clue you in that they know they are on the wrong side of this but for whatever reason are going to double down on the stupid just like SA and RRA did with their lame-ass statements today.

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So someone explain this? I'm starting to wonder whether if this is some Brady campaign to pit gun owners against each other.

>>33828106
If they're friends with the guy it's an even bigger reason to recuse themselves and not talk about it, faggot. That's what you do when you're too close to the subject.

As I said, keep on baitin', you're not at 100 yet.

>>33828719
Explain what? They took forever to respond and then RRA and SA jointly release statements feigning ignorance.

They already got what they wanted. Manufacturers being exempt in the bill, they are just bullshitting now.

>>33828749
You're a moron. I'm not even going to bother responding to this stupidity since others have already corrected you better than I could.

>>33828719
SA and RRA both dropped similar "we dindu nuffin" statements today that are complete bullshit.

What is conspicuously absent is any distancing themselves from, or outright firing of, their paid lobbyist who cut this deal OVER A MONTH AGO. Kind of like they are worried they will get sued if they fire the guy for doing what they told him to do.
Both of these companies knew exactly what their paid lobbyist was doing at their behest on a piece of legislation that is directly tied to their bottom line. Any claims to the contrary are very hard to believe.

Y'all faggots know that TFB stays out of politics, right?

>>33828716
>double down on stupid

but thats not what SA and RRA did today at all.

theu both said "we were paying lobbyists and shit happened that we dont agree with"

I mean, yeah they might be lying, but thays not "doubling down"

>>33827996
Yeah, tricunts have been a huge problem in here. I imagine it has to do with the idiots flaunting their possessions and this whole "muh freedumbs" thing.

>>33828810
Dear God read the thread.

>>33828883
This has been going on for a month or so there is zero way that they didn't know what this lobbyist who they are both paying was doing for that long. They are lying and are both full of shit.

It is naive as hell to believe their bullshit at this point especially after SA went full damage control and shut down lots of their Facebook feedback and released a statement right alongside rra.

>>33828883
>lobbyists

It's ONE guy that is good personal friends with that fag Reese whose family owns SA.

>>33828242
Huh. I've been wondering what "Reddit spacing" was for two years, now, even though I've been breaking up my posts for easier readability like that ever since I discovered 4chan long before.

I learned something today. Thanks, anon.

>>33828883
"Shit happened that we don't agree with, but we did it anyway and already have the carveouts."

Fuck that, fuck them. My first handgun will be a glock.

>>33829049
>"Shit happened that we don't agree with, but we did it anyway and already have the carveouts. And we're not gonna fire the lobbyist who brokered the deal because he'd sue us and win for doing what we told him to do."

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>>33828719
>I was ill informed of the ramifications of this bill
Lol bull-fucking-shit

>>33828719
Didn't these fags already release a statement saying they knew exactly what they were doing but "lol it's totally not a big deal guiz shall not be infringed now be a good goy and buy The Saint"

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>>33829120
That was his first statement when he though this shit would blow over because XD owners are tards. Over the weekend he realized they gun owners with brain cells were pissed too and so now we get the dindu nuffins routine.

>>33829153
You know you'd think because it's
>the current year
people would realize we literally have permanent records of all your public statements that we can access in an instant?
Can't you at least keep your story straight?
It's like a child who keeps trying one lie after another, thinking you'll just believe him THIS time.
Trying to get some kind of absolution with another blatant lie is not going to make your situation better.

wait, why are we surprised that the "firearms not politics" blog is staying out of this?

>>33829200
you stay out of it by not saying anything at all

>>33829327
Yeah spouting an opinion in your own comments section and then mass deleting opposing opinions is not very neutral.

>>33828719
They were uninformed as to the detrimental effects to their bottom line when people turned on them, more like.

>>33829327
They were responding to direct questions about why they weren't saying anything.

>>33828242
Is that reddit spacing? I always thought the new thing was not using paragraphs and just having a solid wall of text.
Shit people will make anything a problem here.

>>33829374
And instead of saying "we don't do politics" they said "Springfield Armory did nothing wrong"

Bag of dicks. It's what's for TFB's dinner.

>>33828530
>>33828495

A good friend if mine had several of his writings stolen by Nathaniel F.

They were...less than helpful.

>>33829454
what do you mean stolen?

>>33829153
What was the first statement, exactly?

>>33827867
Simple: If faced with a choice between shooting a traitor and shooting an enemy, you always shoot the traitor.

>>33829529
>“The legislative process is a fluid process. The bill has only moved through one chamber, and it is still in the process. We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.”

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/daniel-zimmerman/statement-from-springfield-armory-ceo-denny-reese-on-ifma-deal-illinois-anti-gun-legislation/

>>33827370
can I get a quick rundown?

>>33827996
Clearly you haven't been to /sp/

>>33829609
>>33826995

>>33829609
Patrick R. supports springfield armory bacause they are a huge TFB sponsor. He doesnt care about the community.

>>33828057
>>33828607
>>33828668
>>33828810
>>33828883
>>33829200
>>33829374
Same-fag or TFB-IDF?

>>33827924
>>33827932

Good thing I never gave them a penny

>>33828592
>They all forget what the gun community did to S&W in the 90s before there was an internet.

explain for a newfag

>>33829957
http://www.businessinsider.com/smith-and-wesson-almost-went-out-of-business-trying-to-do-the-right-thing-2013-1

>>33830016
thanks for the link

>>33830016
>trying to do the right thing
Top Kek

>>33828119
>democracy promised to give us the government that we the people want, but instead what it gave us is the government that a dozen huge megacities want.
Earl Warren was a fuck up who ruined everything. Too bad history will always remember him for Brown, Miranda, and Gideon because when he dropped the ball, he dropped it hard.

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>>33829658
Pry Alex c himself. He used to be a tripfag who would defend the NFA to keep the value of his daddies NFA items high. Litteraly the worst sort of traitor.

>muh investment

>>33829957
>>33830016
TL;dr During the Clinton administration S&W's British corporate overlords decided to sign on with the administration's desire for locks in the guns and other restrictions.

The gun community boycotted S&W so hard they were sold off a year later. To add some spice to the story they were bought by a company started by the ex-President of S&W who had left because he didn't agree with the British corporate overlords.

>>33830208
He left that site years ago

>>33830296
I guess I'm getting my shit tier normie gun websites mixed up

>>33828106
Dude. Original context was, TFB stafg were covering someone's notebook that had gotten stolen during NRA show and this guy said they should be covering "real news" like RRA and Springfield. When the writer said "dear friend," he was talking about the guy who lost the notebook. NOT RRA or Springfield.

>>33827370

What's funny is that they say "Firearms not politics" then turn around and publish political articles (even if beneficial to us, I prefer to read just about firearms; I've likely seen HPA happenings on other media such as here) every now and then, not to mention they've slowly begun cloning themselves into becoming TTAG, the fucking buzzfeed of the firearms community imo. That's on top with their articles being late as fuck with multiple grammar errors, something I personally find annoying.

If TFB is kill, what gun news site is good?

So what are SA and RRA and how do I not buy from them?

Is there any gun blog that's not ran by fudds, shills or morons?

>>33831540
Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms
Springfield hasn't made anything worthwhile and RRA is just another AR15 manufacturer

>>33827996

/out/ has one too many. Fucking faggots.

Just unsubscribed. Something always rubbed me the wrong way about that Patrick guy.

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>>33832861
Let them know why you unsubscribed

Some more juicy bullshit.

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They have a couple of their fans rabidly defending their position in the comments. Hilariously they are outnumbered by people who realize this is bullshit even with them censoring.

Seems like they mightve given up or just got overrun.

Disgusting fucking shill people.

Bearing arms shilling for SA and RRA

Need that sponsorship bucks GOYIM

>Yeah they got exempted and already got what they wanted so what goy it's all an accident!

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/05/01/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-oppose-gun-dealer-licensing-act/

>>33827370

They killed Jesus!

No mercy! Breaking the Second Temple and killing the bloodline of jewish prophet to forever scar them...hence why they rub things like this to Christians.

>>33832950
Ass ravaged lefty/pol/ shill or Springfield employee?

>>33832960

In defence of Christianity and against world jewery, and how because of jesus the jews have no old testiment tier jewish bloodlines.

Who do you really think lurks /k/?

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>>33832979
Ok buddy at least bump my thread if you're going to troll

Here I'll do it for you.

>>33831561
Luckygunner i guess? Chris Baker might be a shill though.

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>>33827370
>going to cancerous tripfag & friends blog in the first place

>>33827370
>/k/ slowly waking up to the faggotry in the gun community
>finally realizing the majority of these people are just in it for the money because fuck you they don't care about your rights
I've been tossing the idea around of starting a real gun channel for real people and not shills with unlimited pocket books and companies that will throw free shit at them.

>>33833097
>starts channel
>stays stronk stays free of corporate influence
>/k/ says faggot channel is boring
>he's obviously a poorfag never has enough good guns
>muh hickock45
>muh Ian
>muh C&R
>anon hangs himself

It's hard out there anon. Godspeed.

>>33833227

You have no idea how close to step 4 we ride every month.

Hit NRA show to see if any milsurp focused companies wanted to help out. At least the interests would be aligned in repros.

Nope. History is boring and dumb and we don't even know anything about the guns we have cloned.

>>33833306
I can really only think of two channels that are doing god's work. Forgotten Weapons and C&Arsenal. Historical research seems like the only area it's even possible to have a non-shill channel and I can't imagine anyone doing it better than those two channels.

Every other channel that covers current events is shill to some extent so I can never take them too seriously.

One channel I can think that could become a big deal would be one like C&Arsenal is trying to setup with that gunsmith. A no-shit free(patreon if you want to support) in-depth tutorial series by an accomplished gunsmith could be huge.

>>33833227
I don't really care about anyone's opinions. More so making videos that regular gun owners can watch and not feel like someone is talking down on them or selling them some random shit. I have a decent amount of guns so I could make videos for a few months before I would need to get anything new.

>>33827873
these fat fucks can't even spell check their own "articles," you expect them to be writers of anything but for shill bucks?

>>33827370
I bet Alex is behind this.

>>33833361
It's all random shit anon. There is no regular gun owner. We're all snowflakes interested in whatever we're interested in.

Your channel will be yankeemarshall 2.0. You will be non-shill, but also limited in scope to what you personally find interesting interspersed with covering current industry habbenings.

Newfags, noguns and tards won't be subbing in droves because you won't be covering every new release like the shill channels. Unless you have some interesting angle(like you're super funny like carnikcon), you're gonna get subbed by people who are interested in whatever niche you're into and that's about it.

Market is saturated at this point bro. Unless you got a unique hook starting a new channel is gonna be rough. Best of luck to you I hope you got something new because I'd like to see it.

ITT a TFB competitor runs an astroturf campaign and autists gobble it up like good little retards

>>33829030
It's only Reddit spacing when there are only two or three sentences and not a whole paragraph in a post. Spacing inbetween paragraphs is just proper grammar.

>>33833388
By regular I just mean nonmil or LEO. I'm not trying to be some huge channel that is taking away from other channels, rather I just want to provide my own point of view. I'm not doing it to make any money or anything like that. Also I do have a unique perspective on SHTF considering I survived the war in Bosnia.

>>33833408
>unique perspective on SHTF considering I survived the war in Bosnia.

> has potential

>>33828921
a month or so?
the news broke less than a week ago

>>33833445
He's saying the lobbying deal went down in March so the idea that two gun companies with a vested interest in the outcome of said legislation professing ignorance as to what their paid guy was doing is ludicrous.

SA and RRA knew exactly what their man was doing. He was doing what they told him to do which is why they haven't fired him(you can get sued for firing people who did what you told them to do after all).

The IFMA(the lobbying association) is made up of 4 people. 2 from the Reese family that owns SA, 1 from RRA(I think he's the owner) and their paid lobbyist.

Another outlet shilling for SA without mentioning the betrayal. At least they're not deleting comments yet.

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/05/springfield-armory-xd-e-pistol/

>>33833383
He left them a long time ago. Like a year or something.

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>>33827370
>>33828625
>>33828719

>>33833401

I've seen people call leaving a space between the quoted post number and post 'reddit spacing'.

>>33835465
Obviously no one knows what Reddit spacing actually is. It's just become yet another meme.

>>33833097
We don't need another channel showing us how to behead infidels, Ahmed.

>>33833474
Illinois is an at-will state and you can be fired for any reason at any time with no legal recourse.

>>33835538
Then it's even more damning to their cause. Of course their lack of firing that lobbyist is the least of their problems with their statement now that it's come out that they have been donating to gun-grabbing democrats for years and that Dennis Reese is a fucking felon and turned state's evidence on a case where he bribed some South American colonel to buy SA shit.

They are fooked mate.

>fighting bill
>is losing battle
>decide to save yourself

/k/ doesn't realize being an ideologue gets you nowhere

>>33836238
Bill was DOA until the SA RRA funded lobbyist agreed to drop their opposition in exchange for an exemption.

>>33836238
Can you please stop being this stupid? I know it's hard for you.

>>33830247
thanks

>>33833306
I know this is a late reply but thanks for posting Othais and keep up the good work. Glad to see you in this thread.

I know I know don't drive them traffic...but goddamn those fucking tards drop an article about some overpriced Springshit TODAY. They are getting no lubed in the comments.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/05/02/lightning-review-springfield-armory-silent-operator/

>>33836633
Wow they have to be fucking deluded.

I hope them, bearing arms, ammo land, all of them get fucking shut down and boycotted.

>>33833306
Praise Beardo!

Stay stronk Othias, I don't give a damn how many subscribers you have or if the industry cares, I still stay up late every other monday to catch your show. C&Rsenal might not have the widest appeal, but your dedication and the production value you put into it ensure that the people who do care will keep coming back.

>>33833443
>>33833408
Make it all meme like.

Watch a few year old episode of uberdanger and a episode of fps Russia.

Combine those two and be and every edgy fuck in existence will gobble that shit up.

I stopped going on TFB long ago when i realized they shutdown comment sections where they get BTFO, They delete any dissenting opinions, They are cancer and deserve to be shut down

>Reading some online trash rag that unironically hired Alex "I use my SOT status to buy dealer samples and then say they're 'investments'" C.

>>33836712
>being a tripfag
I hate the TFB hacks too, but you're deluded if you think you're not just as bad.

>>33836712
The point is lots of people do and subscribe to their shit channel and we need to punish these shill fags who are defending rra and SA despite all the info that came out like recently where they were shown through the IFMA to have donated to anti gun politicians.

Ammoland, bearing arms, ammoland. Just off the top of my head all those need to burn.

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>>33836793
I care about your opinions anon, I really do. >>33836796
>lots of people do and subscribe to their shit channel
Okay, they're probably the same kind of mouth-breathers who still buy from CTD and can't even tell how hard they get bent over in shipping. Let them be fucking idiots.

>>33836793
>he actually replied
LMAO

>>33836680
Actually I plan to avoid memes, they are pretty cringy in reality. It's not the type of content I'm interested in.

>>33828119
>democracy promised to give us the government that we the people want

The USA was never about Democracy, anyone who values Democracy is a brainwashed libshit. The population of these cities like Chicago or LA or SF are distinctly NOT American either, so its not a case of we the people, its a case of a government that seeks to replace the people.

>>33837006
This. The USA is a constitutional Democratic republic.

>>33836970
Shame, better be fucking informative and short then.

>>33828303
Do you really think one sentence is a paragraph? 5 consecutive single sentences are all paragraphs? You are either a fucking moron or willfully ignorant. Noone is criticizing the use of paragraphs or formatting, they're criticizing redditor fuckwits who type out of habit like they're on reddit with a space after every sentence. Holy fuck you people are dumb, you'll get whipped in to hysteria by just about anything. Fuck off.

>>33828719
"We've got to pass it to see what's in it"?

>>33833343

Thanks!

>>33836563

I appreciate it!


>>33836673

I'm glad the show is hitting the right spot for people invested in arms history. We will do what we can to grow and hopefully form enough of a paycheck that I can keep at it after WWI.