QTDDTOT Are zip guns redundant? Is there any reason they aren't

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I mean this is Kind of heavy and I don't see how .223/556 and a big ass .22 would be reasonable but maybe something of the sort between the two pictures?

That's an SBR, wonder if that person knows that.

>>33814400
The undersung gun in original picture is an sbr?

>>33814410
They added a stock to a pistol.

>>33814465
And what's making the zip gun a pistol and an AOW

What do you guys think of a P320 or PPQ M2 as my first handgun?

>>33814524
Not an aow

>>33814369
>Is there any reason they aren't more popular?
the fact they dont function plays a big part in its unpopularity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQFHoqQ848k

>>33814564
It doesn't have to be that particular "zip gun" it was more so the idea of an undersung (machine) pistol

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Ive been hauling my rifles to the range in Plano hard cases. Problem is one barely fits in my car truck so I'm limited to hauling them around one at a time. Can /k/ recommend a soft bag to carry PTR sized shit?

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>>33814535
Walther master race

>>33814588
nfa kills the concept people might want to do it for shits and giggles then realize it was a pretty dumb idea. having to register everything makes it too much of a hassle to bother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJpm5PplThk

>>33814601
Thanks. Do you think the Navy SD model is worth getting?

The Zip22 shittiness aside, I just don't get this idea.

At least the underslung shotgun has debatable uses like breaching or launching non traditional payloads like flares, markers, or non lethal (Although I don't subscribe to mixing lethal and non lethal ).

What's the fucking point? Even in a world without an NFA, what is this supposed to do?

>>33814592
If it's just to the range and back, go get one of those $20 rifle bags from Walmart. Unless you get in a wreck more than 3 times a week you should be fine, the PTR isn't going to just crust over with rust during the trip to and from the range.

if you really, really need a weapon for close quarters, take a separate weapon.

Anyone ever bought ammo from freedom munitions? They have re-manufactured bass cased 556 for 29cpr but I'm hesitant

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>>33814369
Single point vs three point sling for an AR what do you all think? Im thinking about replacing my issued 3-point (which is pretty shit anyways) with a single point like some others in my unit have done.

>>33815037
About 3-5 duds per 500 in my experience.

>>33815265
Three-point slings are trash; get a good adjustable 2-point like a BFG VCAS.

>>33814972
>What's the fucking point?
I could see it, or something like it slung under a shotgun.

Imagine if it was in a pistol caliber, slung under a saiga.

>>33814740
No. I've read some people carry them over a regular ppq in hot, humid climates where sweat might be an issue. You need aftermarket sights to use a suppressor. I bought mine because I'm trying to catch em all and more mags for my regular ppq.

>>33815037
I had about 1000 rounds of .45 ive been feeding thru my HK
Think im about 400 thru, no problems so far.. but that hk will take anything.
Look good tood, no seated caps or aynthing

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>>33815410
>Imagine if it was in a pistol caliber, slung under a saiga
are you fucking dumb or something, kid? that has already been established as the basic concept, we fucking know. the question here is what possible application could it have?
>oh shit got surprised while reloading
finish reloading or switch to sidearm
>primary's jammed or malfunctioned and no time to clear it
switch to sidearm
>out of ammo completely for my primary
switch to sidearm
>oh fuck this tiny SMG on the bottom of my rifle is really heavy and my arms are tired
get fucking rid of it and carry a sidearm

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If you had to choose between a compact pistol that fired two rounds of .22 magnum at once, with a 34 round capacity (17 trigger pulls), and a 12 round capacity 9mm, which would you choose? Assume both have the same size, weight, reliability, and a 3" barrel.

>>33815570
9mm, without a doubt.
.22 Mag is a rimfire cartridge, so it's inherently less reliable, regardless of your stipulations, and, as your chart shows, its terminal ballistics suck hairy balls: most of those loads either fail to meet or just barely meet the FBI's minimum recommended penetration depth, and all of them except the 33gr Accutip (out of a 22" barrel) have less than half the expanded cross-section of a mediocre 9mm JHP.

So here's a question for you guys. If I break down my ak rifle and get a 80% lower can I cut the barrel and make a pistol? Legally speaking.

How long does it take for the background check at a store after my firearm ships there?

>>33815779
It wouldn't have to be an 80%, just literally any receiver that still had its stock virginity.

>>33815794
In theory, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) should check your background instantly, but in practice it typically takes a minute or two.

>>33815794
It happens over the phone.

I'm thinking about get a sd9ve as a first pistol, PSA has them real cheap and it makes my willy Wonka. My question is how much will I be fucking up

>>33815848
They're garbage, and not even in the /k/ "everything you like is garbage" sense. They're really quite bad.
The trigger is especially poor, even for a striker gun """designed""" in the 90s.
Get almost literally anything else.

>>33816001
Even a Taurus?

>>33816309
"almost"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw
If you want a recommendation, get a Sig P250.

Are the laws in commiefornia about no pistols with a capacity over 10 for the magazines, or for the gun itself?

I want to get a Beretta 92s off of buds guns but it ships with a 15 round mag. I was gonna see if they could ship it without the mag because I figured the
mag is the only thing making it CA prohibited since pistols sold in california can still accept 15 round mags, its just that the mags are pinned at 10 rounds instead of the factory limit.

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>>33816001
oh they're not that bad. Trigger can be swapped if it's too heavy for you, and they make an enhanced/not-gay-trigger version.

Honestly though get a Glock or Sig p320. If money's tight look for a Canik or used.

I'm a supervisor at a gun counter and today I ordered VEPRs in .308 and 7.62x54r with the intention of buying one of them. I currently don't own a .308, but I've got 2 nuggets.

would it be better to buy one in a caliber I don't yet have or in a caliber of which I already have a small stock?

>>33817001
Magazines that are capable of holding and feeding into a firearm more than ten cartridges at a time are forbidden.
Firearms that could, in theory, accept a forbidden magazine are fine, except as otherwise restricted by CA law.
Your real problem is that the Beretta 92S isn't on the Safe Handgun Roster, so you won't be able to legally buy it from an FFL unless you're a cop.

>>33817141
This fucking state man.

Thanks anyway

Would a PF9 be a decent glove box gun with a pocket holster for those times when I wear a tucked in shirt?

>>33817141
jesus I hate being stationed here. I hope CalExit gains steam so I either
1. Get stationed literally anywhere else
2. Get to slot Califags in the war of reunification

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>>33817177
Have you considered becoming a revolverfag?
They're quite enjoyable and satisfying to shoot, and if you're limited to ten rounds anyway, you're not missing out on much in terms of capacity.
There's a wide variety of nice Rugers and S&Ws on the safe handgun list.

>>33817073
308s better in the american market and you dont really want to shoot your corrosive milsurp bullshit through a brand new gun and worry about it do you? with a mosin its fine since its already beat to shit but this next gun is new.

>>33814400
noguns get out

does anyone make a foregrip/zipgun combo?

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is there a 5 or 10 round mag that i can just drop in a tikka t3 hunter without modifying anything?

>>33817662
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1006301252/tikka-magazine-t3-22-250-rem-243-win-308-win

>>33817685
thanx f.am

>>33815713
>Most of the loads suck
I understand that, but I'm assuming it'd be loaded with something like the 45 grain critical defence. That gets you half the expansion of a good 9mm, and adequate penetration. Of course, total surface area isn't everything, and two .35 inch wide bullets are potentially far more lethal than one .70 inch one (assuming they penetrate far enough). Also keep in mind that two .22 magnums have far less recoil than one 9mm.

Just things to consider. It's too bad there isn't a .22 magnum designed with pistols in mind. .25 is shit in comparison, ballistically.

Got a $2,500 bonus, it'll be on my check this coming Wednesday. I'm thinking

VEPR 12
Ruger .223 AR clone
Glock 19

+food for them, eye/ear pro for the wife. Trying to show her the joys of shooting.

Any major flaws? Recommendations? Just feel like tearing me a new one. I'm all ears

>>33818290
Will these be your first guns?
I'd probably go for a Benelli Supernova vice the VEPR and put the savings toward a Colt 6720 instead of the Ruger.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/78051/
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411543687/

>>33815265
The three-point has long since been outed as a shitty, convoluted meme. Two-point is still where it's at.

>>33818551
I cant believe they issue us that shit, its a pain to take on and off and gets hooked on everything (pray for your soul if you set your rifle down in a humvee with a 3-point on)

>>33818529

Well my father left me his Star 1911, so not technically. But basically yeah, will be my first. Mind explaining the finer points of what makes the colt preferable v. the Ruger? Not opposed to your idea, just wondering. I'm also not set on the VEPR, it just seems to be something that will eventually be much harder to find than say, a Benelli. Plus I like that my LGS has quite a few that only need a small weld dremel'd off, with it then being a sidefolder. Also considering an Sd9VE, anything majorly wrong with that? Or should I stick with the glock?

>>33814369

> yo dawg

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Why does the Kriss Vector get so much hate? Clearly their claims of recoil reduction are way overblown, but it seems very compact, cool looking, and effective. The operating system has a lot of promise, as it essentially uses the bolt angle to delay its blowback, a far simpler solution than other forms of delayed blowback.

>>33818893
I'll never stop shilling for the SD9VE, great fucking gun. Only negatives are aftermarket (obviously) and the trigger (there's a kit for that). I think it looks quite cool too. As reliable as a glock.

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I have:

>250 "good" once-fired PPU .303 brass
>114 "good" once fired PPU 7.5 French brass

For each caliber of the "good" ones how much can I reasonably expect if I offer them for sale on a forum/here on a BST thread?

I also have:
>10 "bad" once-fired PPU .303 brass
>13 "bad" once fired PPU 7.5 French brass
"Bad" meaning the neck closest to the bullet end is deformed (pic related). Are these still usable for reloading?

why do they say that guns are blue when they are black?

>>33819080
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluing_(steel)

>>33818970
>"Bad" meaning the neck closest to the bullet end is deformed (pic related). Are these still usable for reloading?
Yes. Neck sizing die will fix those.

Does anyone have the picture that's usually titled something like "modernised wermacht"? It's like a 60's styled picture with the SS dot pattern camo on a german trooper with a G11 and NVGs on a stallhelm. I need it as a reference for something I'm working on.

>>33818893
The Colt is literally a semi-auto M4 carbine with a 16" barrel (for legal reasons) and a more reasonable barrel profile (lighter); Ruger's ARs are...fine, but feature a lot of niggly cost-cutting features like a proprietary FSB, Mini-14 flash hider, etc. that don't affect function but would bother me if it were mine. Also, the Ruger has a heavier barrel, which is both pointless on a semi-auto rifle and detrimental on a rifle that a lady will be shooting, since it'll make the gun front-heavy even before you start putting railz and flashlights and shit on it.
I'm not familiar with the VEPR 12 in particular, but semi-auto shotguns in general tend to be finicky little bitches, plus with magazine-fed ones you have the cost of magazines to consider. I appreciate that it's probably going to be harder to come by in the long run than a Benelli, but the other side of that is that if it has a problem that requires factory repair, you're more likely to be SOL in the long run than with a Benelli. Also, if you ever plan on participating in 3-gun competition, mag-fed shotguns like the VEPR typically put you in Open division with the $3000 red-dot 1911 guys, which could be discouraging vis-à-vis your scores.
The Glock 19 is a great "babby's first centerfire handgun" option. It's got a tremendous aftermarket and is really easy to do armorer-level work on, so if there's anything about it you don't like, or if you have any problems with it, you can typically fix it yourself. It's big enough to shoot like a full-size gun, but small and light enough for CCW. It's a far better choice than the SD9. My only alternate suggestion would be a S&W 617, a 10-shot .22LR revolver; since you already have a centerfire handgun, a .22 would be great for marksmanship skill building and introducing new shooters to the joys of shooting.

What's a good and cheap 357 revolver for my first wheel gun?

>>33818938
>shorter barrel than other SMGs of comparable size
>heavier than other SMGs of comparable size
>recoil mitigation system doesn't actually work
>feeds from inherently less reliable double-stack-single-feed handgun mags
What's to like?

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>>33814369
Could you fire a 40x46mm grenade out of a Mk 19?

It probably wouldn't cycle the action, but would it fire?

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>>33819222
used S&W
check your local pawn shops

Are larger calibers more fun to shoot? Enough to be worth paying more for? Just because they push on your hand harder?

>>33819405
subjective
try it yourself and form your own opinion

>>33819415
So I should stay home with a pellet gun?

>>33819222
used ruger security six

>>33814369

Think of this. Would you rather be swinging around a big, heavy, long, unwieldy DMR when dealing with close range/ indoor threats just to use some SMG strapped to the underside of it? Or would you rather sling the DMR over your back and use a dedicated SMG like someone with marginally less autism?

What are the big disadvantages to the Uzi bolt system? What are the cuts on the side made for?

>>33819460
the uzi is shit dude just dont worry about it and get an mp5

>>33819460
No one cared what it was until it made the cuts on the side.

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Just got a Mini-14 and 10/22 for cheap. Where can I find some mags and stocks for a decent price?

>>33819276
Like I said, the cool factor is obvious and the mechanism is cheap (although it's not a cheap gun, I think it could be). Also using single feed mags is hardly unusual for a PCC.

I don't know if it's been asked before but today I went to a gunstore and the guy showed my an AK Pistol with an arm brace. After a couple of back and forth I ended up saying that, "It's a shame you can't shoulder the damn thing." And he replied with, "Yes, you can they changed the ruling this year. Saying it was unenforceable."

After doing a couple of quick searches is this is appearing to be true as long as we don't modify the brace. Have any of you guys heard of anything different?

>>33819853
Just don't be a dick about it, no one cares.

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>>33819853
It's complicated, but basically yes, "arm braces" are shoulderable again as long as they're not obviously modified to make them work better as a stock and/or worse as an arm brace.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/04/24/breaking-news-update-atf-reversal-letter-sb-tactical/

>>33819405
Very, try it out.

>>33819950
Can't I just have someone thrust into my butt harder?

>>33814369
>>33814588
>zip gun
A zip gun is a shitty improvised firearm, regardless of what some manufacturer decided to name their shitty gimmick pistol. It is not a term to refer to a secondary undermounted firearm action.

>>33819470
Im looking to make a 9mm rifle, dont want to fuck with no rollers.

>>33820094
Why would you bother when the MP5 already exists?

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I just made a account on gunbroker and now its being reviewed and i cant place a bid.

FFFUUUCCCKKKK

what do?

>>33820459
ur probably fucked depending on when the auction ends. when i tried to make an account it failed me and wanted me to send proof of id and shit to them so i just use my dads account to buy shit on there now

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Picked up a few boxes of Federal XM80C and so far every round looks like it has crazy corrosion going on. They shot fine but not sure if the brass was even worth saving. What's the deal with this stuff?

>>33818893
Colt is just selling the name, avoid new Colt guns.

Look around on Google for some mid tier ARs (800-1000), Rugers are fine but like >>33819167 said, they have some negative details that bother autists like us.

VEPR 12s are top notch, magazine fed semi shotguns are troublesome sometimes though, but if you can deal with paying out the ass for magazines then it'll be a nice gun to own. A.K.A. No possibility of buyer's remorse.

Glocks are alright but far from ideal, especially in the civilian market. Look at older Sigs and HK pistols. P226 and USPs to name a few. Walther also makes good stuff, and so does Beretta, though Berettas are really big for manlet-sized hands.

S&Ws semis suck massive dick when compared to any aforementioned names, and only offer their price point as actual value.

If you had no money, I'd recommend it, but you have money, so I won't.

What's a 1:9 twist rate on a .223 rifle good for?
I'm looking for sort an all-arounder gun, good to 4-500 yards for prairie dogs, decent up close for coyotes and pests mainly.
Don't need to worry about things like deer cause I can get them easily enough with a shotgun, but I found a decent deal on a lefty ruger hawkeye and the twist rate is the only thing making me seriously consider whether or not I should get it.

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US Army Rangers... what's the deal? I hear they're technically special forces, but not really. Why is that? What do they do or not do compared to other special forces?

How about a suppressed handgun caliber under-barrel for a non-suppressed rifle?

would that be more practical?

>>33814369

i could see if you had a .308 or something with a silenced .45 underneath. that would be operator as fuck.

>>33815265
Single points are great at operating operationally, hitting you in the balls, and being fucking uncomfortable for any length of time beyond a couple hours or so. Unless it's a 1/2 point convertible, then it'll be a little heavier but still better than a pure 1 point.

>>33820830
nothing
get a 1/12 and enjoy your varmint genocide

would this be a good fit on a dpms made lower
https://aeroprecisionusa.com/m5e1-308-20in-cmv-complete-upper.html

>>33819439
Yeah I could see that buy also if a weapons system was built around this idea both firearms could be built lighter. Also carrying multiple slinged firearms seems like a bitch and a half. And with having the smg undermounted (written on paper) the muzzle climb would be easier to control. If so you could move up to larger caliber handgun rounds that don't suck at killing people, 10mm , 357 sig ect.

>>33814972
Underslung anything besides grenade launchers is retarded. Nobody wants 2-3lbs of awkward to use less effective gun hanging off the muzzle end.

>>33820754
Is there something wrong with modern Colt ARs, or do you just feel that they're overpriced?

>>33822146
my concern though is that 1:12 starts being not so great at the longer ranges I'm looking to shoot at, at least according to everything I've seen online

>>33822441
Philosophy of use is that it's not (less) effective is just effective at the things your main weapon isn't, you don't see how in falluja style combat having a heavy hard hitting rifle round for concentrated fire and a suppression style spray weapon on the same gun?
Imagine a really light DMR with a fast pick your flavor of Calibre smg under it would fill two weapons roles at once, complementing each other?

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I'm a real sucker for slavshit and I want to get a PSO-1 scope for collection purposes. I've seen some Russian Ebay sellers with it, but I'm not sure if Ausfag laws allow me to import without giving me a headache.

>Do rifle scopes classify as a firearm parts? If so, requiring me to be a has-guns with papers to import?
>Does the fact that it is a "military grade" scope with a lit reticle make it unobtainium in ausfag land because of "muh genuine reason"?
>customs website does not mention scopes being a firearm parts, thus confusing me further
https://www.border.gov.au/Busi/Impo/Proh/Firearms-and-weapons/firearm-parts-and-accessories

I did some searching to see if anyone had done anything like this before, but alas, only fudds buying regular rifle scopes from the US for their lower cost.

On the subject of slavshit, I also want to import a Type 2 AK bayonet but I am also not sure if papers are required to be sent to customs. Nothing is clear on if you need to clear with customs first before importing or not, at least on all their websites. But since "bayonet" isn't listed as restricted item, so I guess it's okay..?

>>33820495
19hrs left still account is frozen

fffuuuccckkk

It figures the first time I really want something and find a deal, something fucks me over.

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Why does M855A1 do so much damage a shorter way into tissue than M855? Is it designed to tumble on impact, and if so what makes it do that? I thought it was essentially a high pressure M855 with an exposed penetrator and copper instead of lead behind.

>>33822790
Check Kalinka Optics, I bought a PSO-6X36 from then for my vepr, they're pretty good about shipping

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So, if sustained land wars become popular again (N. Korea?) - why are there no landing submarines?
>large sub could hold hundreds of troops
>no radar signature, no anti-air weakness, no runway, pretty sneaky
>beaches itself (as designed)
>opens front bay door (maybe C-130 back door style, waaay bigger though)
>people/armor/etc streams out
>closes door, reverse engines and sink back into the ocean.
Might be effective for nighttime, large scale landing parties.

Tldr - submarine landing craft when?

I want to make a supressor (yes the legal way of course) and im thinking about using steel pipe for the body with screw on end caps to make replacing the baffle stack easy.
>How thick should the wall and baffles be to shoot 308 without it kabooming?
>Stainless or mild steel? Should I temper it?
>Is off the shelf pipe generally straight enough?

what's the difference between an ar-15, an m4, and an m16?

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What are the panels you see on the turret cheeks of the Abrams and Challengers? Some kind of identification panel?

>>33823961
>i want to kill myself by taking advice from /k/ in how to make an explosive muzzle device.

nfatalk and/or silencertalk

Yes, you can use mild steel. Stainless is better though for corrosion resistance. A silencer provides an ideal environment for corrosion.

I wouldn't use pipe, I'd use tubing. Stainless steel seamless tubing.

I would refer to it as "make CLEANING the baffle stack easy" rather than "make REPLACING the baffle stack easy" in your further discussions.

The thought is the ATF will not let you make replacement parts for a Form 1. Any changes would require a new Form 1. (Its all debatable, and how would they know if you replaced them unless you're a retard and go spouting off about replacing them on public forums. Still, I'd watch my language if I were you.)

>>33818970
>are these still usable

Gee, I'm pretty sure resizing dies exist for a reason.

>>33824843
Combat Identification Panel. They are separated from the hull and constructed to show up as cooler through thermal optics, giving no friendly vehicle a big cool square. They get mounted on humvees and 5-tons too, never seen one on any kind of MRAP.

>>33820120
To have fun making a rifle with my hands? For cheap?

>>33825272
then make a 9mm ar-15 from a parts kit

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>>33814369
Zipguns are dogshit and I mourn that USFA stopped doing excellent wheelguns like pic related.

If you need to mount another gun under your AR, make it a shotgun, there's pumps, automatics and even single-shots, if you want to keep it light.

>>33814400
No officer, a ar is an arm brace until shouldered.

>>33815435
You don't need suppressor height sights to use sights with a suppressor...

>>33815479
The zip gun is your side arm retard.

>>33814410
Yes, the Zip22 is a pistol, and attaching it onto a rifle (or shotgun), a stock is being attached to a pistol, so the Zip22 needs to be registered as an SBR to be legally mounted onto a rifle.

>>33825572
It's a dogshit sidearm stopped by heavy clothing, not something I'd operate with.

>>33825582
So load it up with .57 instead of .22!

>>33815037
It's fine, definitely a little dirty, but idk why you'd buy it it at that price when you can get new production for like a penny more.

>>33823903
>submarine landing craft when

When submarines stop being submerged, as in covered with water, as in explicitly the opposite of what happens at a beach.

Draft for a large sub? 30ish feet

(keep in mind that's only half the hull, and not including the conning tower.)

Draft for an LCU? Eight

>>33823271
I think it has to do with the exposed penetrator. I know that when an M855 goes through a light metal barrier, like a door or oil drum, it sheds the steel penetrator and some of the copper jacket. I understand this is deleterious to unarmored targets on the other side of that barrier.

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>>33814369
I feel like a retard but I shoulder my rifle in the pocket of my shoulder and dig it in fairly hard. Olympic weightlifting is a hobby of mine so I'm not lacking muscle in my shoulder (not bragging either though). But I still get busted capillaries from my AR stock. Is it just because the stock's butt has sharp and aggressive grip knurling? I'm not getting bruised and I don't feel any pain or tenderness, my shoulder just looks scuffed. I've heard bruising can be due to shouldering the rifle improperly so I wanted to ask what you guys think.

you know how in video games when you shoot with a scoped bolt action rifle you never stop looking through the scope or get off target through the recoil and reloading and you can see where the bullet hits? is that even possible in real life?

>>33814392
Nigger is that a fucking under-barrel harpoon? Where do I get one?

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>>33814369
How do you spergs even handle talking to sellers on Armslist? Like I know it's just some guy but I sperg whenever I get to the "contact seller" part.
>tl;dr: How do I speak to people about buying their shit

>>33826706
im too scared to buy on armslist and meet in person so i just stick to gunbroker. i feel like it would be really awkward to meet some random guy somewhere especially if i decide i dont want the gun

>>33825383
But like why not just build one from scrap metal. Much more fun, longer project, get me pussy points. Would jam about as often as an ar too.

>>33826745
scap metal would still be better than a shitty uzi

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>>33814428
>>33814392
>>33814369
this is some pimp my ride level silly shit

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>>33826770
O K A U T I S T.

>>33814369
Maybe, but the lack of sights for just the zipgun, along with the fact they're smuckers mode when it comes to jams. And also .22 isn't commended exactly for its usefulness

>>33826706
I just do it? I've never had a face to face private gun sale that lasted more than around five minutes. Here's how it works, if you're buying you show up, say hi, ask to inspect gun, if you're happy give money. Go home.

If you're selling, say hi when they show up, offer to let them inspect the gun, if they seem happy ask for money, take the money, bid them good day, go home.

Always sell or buy in daylight in a parking lot with at least a few other people in shouting distance. NEVER buy or sell at night in a private area.

>>33814465
This. That said, mounting a pistol (pos 22) onto another "pistol" (.308 ptr pistol with a brace) would be completely fine, afaik.

>>33815570
9mm, .22 mag is shit for HD/Self defense.

>>33826854
>>Bu-bu-bu-but it richochets around the skull

>>33815848
Very. Everyone who has one is at most meh about them, at worst absolutely hate the things. Just save up a bit more and get better stuff.

>>33817073
I'd recommend .308 to avoid any concern about any corrosive ammo, cleaning corrosive out of an auto is, I can only imagine, an absolute cunt.

Also veprs are good enough to warrant it, along with being durable enough to run cheapshit .308 through without much concern

>>33826871
I had a doctor tell me he saw this anomaly. My guess is more likely a bunch of tards unloaded a bunch of shit tier .22s into one guy and it looked somehow connected

>>33819334
That is correct. Round will fire, but not enough power to operate the recoil. I was always told a MK19 round would blow up my 203 tube, so I never tried it. I wasn't sure if it was one of those rumors but didn't find it necessary to test.

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>>33826854
But the best .22 mag on that list has 15" penetration and .36" expansion, out of a shorter barrel than what I proposed. That x2 gives you total expanded area equal to the best 9mm, and it also has way less recoil, and more capacity. This isn't counting the benefit of having two separate hits, giving you a much greater chance to destroy a vital.

Just something to think about.

sorry, thread unrelated question.
could someone with a rifle or a bunch of guns take a pic with timestamp and write 'hi Basti' on it?
thanks...

>>33826942
Another concern
>fires 2
>at once

So now the issue is how accurate is the proposed gun? Chance of hitting the wrong thing is now doubled as well

>>33827028
yea well the chance of hitting the right thing is doubled too bro

>>33827024
No, we're not going to frame you as hasguns because you decided to piss off the biggest guy at high school. If anything, you trying to threaten this "basti" fellow with a bunch of guns is likely to get you called into the office to have a sit down with the dean of students/principal and get you expelled. >>33827028

>>33827070
Fugg I (you)'d myself
>>33827051
CRITS FOR DAYS BABYYYY

I've shot once or twice in the last couple years but only recently got my license and will likely be picking up my first handgun (probably a shield due to the mail in promotion going on).

Are there any resources on how I can get into target shooting without developing bad habits? I've watched some videos of ISSF rapid fire and it's quite impressive.

>>33827225
Honestly the best thing you can do is range time with really gentle handguns and working your way up. I started off on .357 sig when I was 11 and have a major bitch flinch today, which takes all my focus to avoid.

>>33822693
Where did you get that idea?
One of the original design requirements for 5.56x45 and the M16 was the ability to penetrate a steel helmet at 600 yards, which implies the ability to hit same, and that was with a 1/14 barrel.
As long as you aren't shooting 70+ grain ammo or tracers there's literally nothing wrong with 1/12.

>>33815037
You can get Wolf Gold for $29 cpr shipped which will be far better than reman.

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QUESTION:
I want a famae 542 (leafland) but find the stock and aftermarket stocks gross my question is would I be able to put a sig 550 stock on it? With out heavy modification

Pic related famae 542

>>33826942
>That x2 gives you total expanded area equal to the best 9mm
wrong
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm
Two bullets that expand to .36" each gives you a total cross-section of .204 square inches; Winchester's 147gr Ranger-T had a 5-shot average expanded diameter of .74", giving you a cross-section of .43 square inches, more than double what you'd get from your volley-fire .22 Mag.
Even the median-performing 9mm ammo they tested expanded to .52" (cross-section .212 sq in).

>>33827372
Never mind ignore me.

>>33826626
Try rubber butt plate.

>>33827277
admittedly I made the mistake of trusting fuddlore, since most of the places I was able to find info were fudd forums, but they universally said something to the effect of "you need heavier bullets to shoot accurately at [4-500 yards], I use [65-75gr] bullets with a 1:8 or 1:9"
so I guess if 1:12 works fine then the fudds are just shit shots or something?

>>33815364
>>33825840
>>33815465

They're currently OOS on the new. I'm waiting for that but I was just curious about their reman and the company itself. Thanks for the replies

>>33827028
Could say the same thing about shotguns- in their case there is a far greater risk, but of course the risk is still pretty much zero.

>>33827431
Clearly I can't into maths.

>>33827540
>fudds are just shit shots
Usually.
Marines shot their 500-yard rifle quals with 1/12 twist M16A1s, 55gr ammo, plastic handguards, and irons just fine for decades before faster barrel twists and heavier bullets were even considered.

what's the best scope for around $300 to put on a tikka t3 hunter

>>33827691
used Aimpoint CompM* or PRO
if you want a magnified optic you'll have to stretch your budget at least into the $5-600 range

>>33827635
I mean it's a ruger hawkeye, and it's used but it's got a scope on it already. assuming the scope isn't garbage it should be accurate enough for what I'm trying to do, right?

I've never had an actual 'hunting rifle', everything I've owned has been rimfire or milsurp up til now.

>>33827762
Plenty accurate if you do your part.

>>33827024
still waiting...

>>33827691
I don't know how much the hivemind thinks of it, but I had a Millet 1-4x variable scope on one of my first guns for a while and it was quite nice. About $200 will get you the scope, and you have budge left over for some decent rings.

>>33814392
Is that an underslung harpoon?

>>33827838
it looks like its propelled by .22lr blanks so i doubt it would go very far

>>33827859
Still, it's a badass idea
40mm underslung harpoon launcher

Probably heavy as fuck
Don't care , it's cool

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Is lightweight AR-15 a meme?

I have a build idea that will weigh 5.75 pounds costing $1500 to build with lightweight goodies.

Is it worth it?

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What are some good websites for purchasing antique/surplus firearms?
Sites i know of - Armslist, Gunbroker, Classic, IMA

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so uh, just how dumb is it to cc a pmr30?

>>33828024
save $300 and build a 6 pound rifle. put that $300 towards a decent 1-6 optic, should get you at least a quarter of the way there.

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Hey /k/, me and my family live in NJ, it's my brother's birthday and he wants to go shooting as his present, though we're not entirely sure if ranges here do rentals on rifles/handguns, and need a class taken before that. I've got no idea what to look for or where to start, help me out?

>>33828024
just lose 5 pounds or workout and get stronger

>>33828225
You mean besides the point it's a huge pistol and would conceal like ass?

Well, for starters, the best rimfire ammunition is still less reliable than that box of paper-hulled shotgun shells you found in your great-uncle's garage under an inch of mold that he bought at a gas station in 1959 for 79 cents.

Then there's the fact that no .22wmr load meets FBI minimum penetration tests in any of the tested material from a 5" barrel.

Then there's the fact it's rimmed but doublestack, assuming the first round fires it'll jam on you.

>>33828225
Jams, complaints of sights falling out, and a bit big for cc. Also .22 magnum loadings at ABSOLUTE BEST are still not quite as good as the higher end of carry rounds. Also I wouldn't bet my life on rimfire.

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>>33828024
Can be done.

I suggest a 14.5" pencil barrel with a pinned hider, a plastic handguard instead of a quadrail, and a flat-top upper without a forward assist. 20rd plastic mags help cut weight further.

If you don't mind a fixed A2 length stock, then the CAV15 lower is made of plastic and really rather sturdy, basically the only plastic lower worth anyone's time. It can be made shorter if you're willing to have it cut down and have a new buttpad placed on it.
Some will say it will make your rifle front heavy, but with a 14.5" skinny barrel and no quad-rail it should balance out more.

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>>33828024
Sacrificing functionality for weight is a meme, not buying needlessly heavy components for no reason is fine.

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>>33822995
9hrs left ffffuuuccckkkk

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>>33828912
Here's one which has had it's stock slightly shortened, and the grip stipled.
Again, a 14.5" pencil barrel with a pinned hider will cut lots of weight.

>>33828958
Depends on what functionality.
Forward assist is needless, and with barrel profile, hbarrel or pencil barrel is generally the best profile choices, one for heavier shooting, the other for weight.

20rds is still plenty of firepower so that's not the biggest downgrade, quadrails largely get in your way when it comes to lightweight builds, if you need a light, there's other ways to mount them which save on weight.

>>33828974
yea when i did it it took like a week for them to look at it and then it said failed verification. what gun are you trying to buy? maybe i'll buy it and post some pics on here for you to look at

>>33828974
Don't you have a friend with an account? Just ask to use his.

>>33829054
>Don't you have a friend
do you know where you are?

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How the hell do I go about sharpening the lower portion of this blade with out resorting to a carbide V?

>>33829020
>Depends on what functionality.
I'm mostly referring to speed hole receivers, lightened BCGs, "stocks" that are just a shoulder plate welded onto the end of the buffer tube, aluminum barrels, that sort of thing.
Stuff that nobody except hobbyists pursuing the lightest rifle possible would bother with.

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Can a (sober) person be shot somewhere without getting KOed? That is, until you pass out from blood loss? Let's say the bullet is a .9mm.

>>33829144
Oh, well that shit is for people who are really seriously into 3Gun, that's like the entire reason for speedhole receivers and lightened bolt-carriers.

Lightened bolt-carriers can't really take heavy abuse, but you're meant to use them with lightened .223 loads and the result is like zero recoil, less than what little recoil you already get.

>>33829195
.9mm? that might have problems breaking the skin.

>>33829195
Don't draw your weapon unless you intend to shoot.

Don't shoot unless you intend to kill.

Don't kill unless your own life is in danger.

Meet these criteria, then don't stop shooting until whatever's accosting you is dead.

>>33829214
kek
That was really poorly worded let me try again
Is it possible for a bullet to pass through a vascular are (like the neck or shoulder) without a person noticing, until they realize that they're soaked with blood like in the movies? asking for a friend writing about a home invasion. Fortunately, I've never been shot so I can't use that as reference, and online anecdotes are all over the place.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/paul-barker/2012/12/what-being-shot-feels-like/

>>33828274
My build includes optics, NiB BCG, Lightweight rail (expensive), and Faxxon 14.5 gunner barrel. There is other stuff light min stock and what not.
>>33828416
I thought even the military encourages a lightweight rifle. I'm going to use this in all field positions. No bench for me.
>>33828912
Cool, but I want it to still be SHTF durable. I'm gonna stay away form that unless I try 3 gun.
>>33828958
I'm not though. I won't ever use this as a pig sticker, but ARs don't do that. I just want a light weight rifle that I can hold on target for as long as possible, easier to carry, or whatever the reason for light weight.

I already have a basic AR

I'm overseas and my families house was completely submerged in a flood. House is able to be entered. How do we save the funs?

>>33829102
https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Curved-Knife-Sharpeners-C154.aspx

>>33829255
Dry. Dry again. Check for rust. Oil. Take to a gunsmith if something seems suspect.

>>33829237
Yes. It happens all the time.
Pick any common handgun caliber and there are anecdotes about dudes getting shot 30 times with it and not giving a fuck.

>>33829326
Thanks! that's just what I needed, gnight lads

>>33829237
>>33829326
And just as many as them dropping dead on the spot. Real life is a crap shoot.

>>33829255
Enter house, take guns, take them apart, dry as well as you can, spray down with WD-40 right after

>>33829245
>NiB
sucks, get NP3 instead
http://sionicsweaponsystems.com/store2015/bolt-carrier-group-components/31-bolt-carrier-group-np3-coated-carrier-bolt-and-cam-pin.html
>Faxon gunner
pointlessly heavy, get that pencil shit, it's great

>>33829326
Same goes for pretty much any non fuck-your-shit rounds, even 5.56

Watched a podcast where an ex marine grunt was talking about the M16A3, and how he watched an insurgent take 9 rounds center mass and proceed to get up and run away.

He died later of course but, he got up. Could've easily sprayed his squad with an RPK if he wanted.

>>33829394
That's just because green tip sucks shit.
Good 5.56 like Hornady 75gr TAP and Federal 62gr TBBC kill people (and medium game such as deer) just fine.

>>33829357
don't pencil barrels fail if you have to mag dump a couple mags?

>>33828381
If you're anywhere near Northern NJ, try Gun For Hire in Woodland Park. Try to bring no more than 3 people, be prepared to pay out the ass and wait a long time if it's a weekend, and try not to kill yourself, they've been really trying to cut back on suicides.

>>33829441
>if you mag dump [on full auto] a couple [dozen] mags [in a row]

>>33829443
We're smack dab in the middle of NJ, we'd be 5 strong going in.

No intention on killing myself goodness. I'm just noguns and want to be hasguns.

>>33829443
>live in NJ
>try not to kill yourself
Realistic expectations, man. That's the key to happiness.

>>33828381
Source on that image?

>>33829523
Rondo Duo

I wouldn't recommend it solely on the basis that you will no longer possess your current fetishes after playing/viewing, it will destroy them.

>>33829500
Hm. If you're by the shore, maybe try Shore Shot in Lakewood. Call ahead if you're going with 5 people, it could be an issue with too many people being in a port.

Failing that, you might want to try going to Pennsylvania.

>>33822336

Look at the OICW system. That's why it's a bad idea. You get an SMG that's bulky and heavy as fuck, and a clunky DMR.

>>33829542
>Rondo Duo
So long as it's not NTR, I doubt that.

>>33829357
pencil vs gunner is .05 lbs less than an ounce

>>33829522
>Also commute to NYC

It's a struggle every day, man.

>>33829616
Loli futa demon goes to school, fucks the shit out of student body consisting of nothing but other lolis. Completely unique art style and animation that way too much time went into making, sound fx and voice acting are top tier.

Seriously, have a quick soul search before you do it, ask yourself; "Am I ready to stop fapping to trap boys and deer porn?" Because there's no going back.

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>>33829625
Forgot image.

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This ticks all the boxes.

>>33829694
meant for
>>33829662

>>33821685
Why not just have a suppressed handgun and keep your rifle on your back?

>>33822441
What about underslung shotguns for breaching and signal flares?

>>33829662
And all the patch links I find are dead.

>>33829619
So?

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>>33824647
AR-15 is the generic name for any rifle using that specific operating system.
An M4 is a select fire AR-15 carbine and is the US military's official designation for it.
An M16 is a select fire full length AR-15 rifle and is the US military's official designation for it.

>>33830062
thanks. so the m4 is 16" i suppose and how long is the m16 generally?

>>33830022
I'm sticking with the Gunner. has a bit more metal near the chamber takes more heat

>>33830085
20" barrel on the A2

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>>33829950
so you can use either one without holstering the other??????????

>>33830085
M4 barrel is 14.5 inch

Just crossed my mind. Though /k/ would be the best place for this kind of info.

Friend lives nearby wild pigs ("hogs") and they are doing some damage to the nearby farms. In our commie country, the only pro-gun ownership government agency is our wildlife department, because they are basically a plague. He goes hunting often and called me to drop by sometime.

Considering that you kill more pigs than you can eat, what do you do with the remaining bodies? There are zero animals in the wild other than crows that would bother eating them around here (unless other hogs go cannibal) so how to deal with this?

>>33829195
Yes? I mean, while passing out isn't exactly rare, your chances of sustaining consciousness are pretty good so long as the bullet isn't causing severe blood loss and/or shock

>>33830120
does that include the compensator?

>>33830120
I thought they tuned the length just a little for better harmonics with the ammo, probably tuned for M855.

(as the bullet travels the barrel bends and whips, which travels in a wave, terminating the wave at the right point enhances accuracy)

So it's probably really 14.6" or something

>>33829237
>get shot without noticing
>in the fucking shoulder

Well lacking movement of a socket joint...yeah, you might notice pretty quick, Bethesda.

>>33830136

Hogs will go cannibal.

Standard disposal method here is to burn or bury them.

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I have the autistic desire to pair handguns with a longgun chambered in the same caliber.

What .357 rifle would match a Manurhin MR 73?

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>underslung 22s are a thing

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>>33830221
another MR73

How much FFFG black powder do I put in an antique .36 calibre percussion boot pistol?

>>33829245
>Cool, but I want it to still be SHTF durable
It's extremely durable.

https://www.full30.com/video/41324b93161c3953ea131b0d23ebecd0

>>33830515
Some.

>>33830541
That's impressive. It's analogous to turning the AR platform to a Glock platform. Metal used only where needed.

Advantages of supernova over nova?

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>>33831714
On the Nova the stock is molded into the receiver so if you want anything besides the basic bitch black plastic sporter stock it comes with you're SOL.
On the other hand, if the stock it comes with suits you, it's less expensive and that's one less point of failure.
The Supernova has a separate stock component and has the option of a recoil-reducing ComforTech sporter stock or a pistol grip stock.
Additionally, Mesa Tactical makes an Urbino stock for it, and there's also a collapsible stock assembly from Benelli that's hard to get in the US.
The Supernova has a large trigger guard for use with gloves.
I believe those are the only major differences.

>>33830515
>antique
I wouldn't.

Whats the difference between Wolf Military Classic and Wolf Polyformance? Both are the same price.

Why are there a lot of handguns without adjustable sights?

>>33819945
Barneyfag sure looks like he's enjoying himself there.

>>33832156
They're zeroed at the factory. You're not going to be shooting an out of the box carry gun at any range that would necessitate adjustable target sights.

If North Korea launches a Missile at the U.S / South Korea and it gets shot down do you think we would retaliate or impose more sanctions

>>33832439
Ah, cool. Thanks

>>33830085
You could get all the info you want from Wikipedia for this one. M16s are all spec'd at 20 inches for every variant. M4s are 14.5 inches,

Any further questions like carry handle configuration or barrel profile or fire control settings are clearly defined in Wikipedia.

>>33830062
You pic related is not a standard spec M4. That looks like a 10.3 inch barrel. The carry handle is also fixed, which is not how M4s are configured (except for a few hundred of the absolute earliest production models, which are illrelevent for GI discussion). The bottom rifle is a carbine from one of Colt's many mashup runs.

>>33825272
Fuck these guys. Do it and take pics and post it, itll be sick

>>33829046
lol fuck you

>>33817177
You are able to purchase it from another state resident (either someone who had something pre-roster, an LEO, or someone who moved to CA), so don't give up hope yet. Just expect to double your budget.

>>33821675
They're "Special Operations", not "Special Forces". which in the USA only refers to the guys who wear Green Berets. Rangers were initially pretty much elite light infantry, but now they do a lot more door-kicking and other tactical stuff, freeing up Special Forces to do more select door kicking and more strategic stuff (like Foreign Internal Defense and other SF things).

>>33830015
I'd ask around on /h/ if you haven't already, they've got a teaching feeling general so they know about visual novels

I'm considering buying a Browning Hi Power. Is there a more modernized handgun that would give me a similar but better experience? Something like a P226 in single-action only is something I've considered, but I have no hands-on experience.

Is there a limit or stipulation on how many guns you can carry with a CCW permit?
I mean if you're involved in a shooting and a pat-down finds like eight guns you're probably gonna get fucked over somehow, but is there any legal reason you can't carry a backup gun, or even two?

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where can i find factory barrels for a 590. It's going to be my first shot gun and im not sure which sight arrangement i would like more, ghost rings or bead. I know if i go from a bead to ghost rings the front sight will need to be brazed on and going from ghost sights to a bead will require un-brazing the front sight. so the easiest (but not the cheapest) way to change sight arrangements would be a different barrel.

where do i find just the barrel for a 590/a1. they seem to be harder to find than elbow grease and blinker fluid.

>>33836530
Rusty Shackleford?

pretty sure it depends on your state but most states don't care of you carry more than one.

Where do you draw the line between a good price on an AR barrel and/or bolt carrier group and a price that indicates a cheap POS? In other words what's the least you would spend and still expect a quality part. I'm looking at a faxon firearms barrel for $169 and an Aero Precision barrel on sale for $154. Both are HP and MP tested and chrome lined but I'm not sure if there are other factors to consider. First time AR builder

>>33837542
Faxon barrels are legit, but I'm almost ceratin that they're melonited, not chrome-lined.

>>33836980
call Mossberg and ask them for one

>>33836530
Depends on your state, obviously, but in general the only limit to how many guns you can CCW is your ability to conceal them.

>>33836422
P226 SAO or a 9mm 1911 would certainly be more modern[ized], but nothing is quite like a Hi-Power.

>>33837924

Hmmm okay. What if I could reliably conceal, say, a Draco?

>>33838013
It's a handgun, isn't it?

I got a Savage .22 at Walmart for $99 and I want to do a bubba project.

I want to chop the barrel to 16" and give it a folding stock. Basically make a ghetto folding survival rifle to keep in my trunk.

Any ideas how I should go about doing this? Things I should know?

>>33838248
I recommend cutting the barrel to 16.25" or even 16.5" for dog safety reasons.
A hacksaw will work fine for cutting the barrel and stock.
You can use an appropriately-sized door hinge for the stock folding mechanism.
Counterbore a small neodymium magnet into one half of the gun under the hinge so the stock doesn't flop around when it's in use.

>>33838248
how do u plan on getting an iron sight on the end of the barrel?

>>33814369
>Is there any reason they aren't more popular
Most of them are total shit.

Does anyone have the link for the do/k/ument and the ency/k/lopedia?

anyone know a good online gunsmithing service and how much should i expect to pay to have a rifle barrel threaded?

>>33838498
That's one of the things I'd like help with, actually. I have no idea.

>>33838415
Yeah, I know, I was generalizing. I'll go 16.5".

And I thought of the hinge thing, but I was hoping to come up with some more professional way. Is there not a way to get a collapsible 10/22 stock or something and drill extra holes to adapt it to fit the Savage? I just want to know if someone's done it before, so I don't waste my money.

>>33838498
>>33839703
Just put a chinkshit Aimpoint Micro clone on it, it'll be fine.
>I was hoping to come up with some more professional way
Really?
>>33838248
>I want to do a bubba project
>ghetto folding survival rifle

I'm making a 12ga. DIY slamfire shotgun. Have a couple of questions:

>Is standard copper pipe, like usually used for plumbing, safe, or is it too thin and weak?

>Is 1/2" galvanized steel EMT electrical conduit safe, or is that too weak too?

>When you use the slamfire shotgun, instead of manually extracting the shell, is it safe to just flip the barrel around, load your next shell in the other end of the barrel, and blast the old shell out with your next shot?

>inb4 why the fuck don't you just buy proper steel pipe and do it right you hobo
SHTF LARPing basically. I find it fun to scavenge parts instead of buying them. Those are the kinds of pipe I've scavenged so far.

>>33839898
I meant bubba as in "drill extra holes in the wrong rifle stock and make it fit" bubba, not "use a fucking door hinge" bubba. There are levels of bubba.

I'll do the door hinge thing if I have to, but I'd rather not.

>>33839936
build it and find out using a long string and a tree or something for cover
ditto
yes, that's totally safe and technically the normal way for people to use slamfire shotguns

>>33839953
Which specific Savage .22 did you buy?

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>>33839975
Model 64F.

I'm too lazy to get mine from the car, but it's this one.

>>33839966
I was expecting that answer... That's what I'll do, but I'll always be afraid of the barrel blowing up on the 10th or so round when I think it's safe. I was hoping some dumbass had done it before me.

And how does that effect the ballistics? Does all the shot get caught in the old shell and not spread? Or does the shell get blown out by the explosion before the shot leaves the barrel?

>>33840002
Yeah, that looks like something you could dremelfuck a 10/22 stock to accommodate.

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Anyone know whats the cheapest, yet reliable optic on the market

Or even gas block BUIS for under 100$

>>33840101
>Or even gas block BUIS for under 100$
https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/product-p/mi-lffg-blk.htm

>>33840101
bushnell trs-25

>>33840082
Ok. I'll probably try it.

Maybe I'll order one from somewhere with a good return policy, if I hold them side by side and don't think I can do it I'll just return it.

>>33814369
by the time you buy enough ammo to put through it you have expended its expected lifespan
>back when it was 8c a shot

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>>33815369
>BFG VCAS
>Shilling for that fat fucktard

Fuck off Larry. Get off the board.

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On the shitter and seen this on the back of their catalog. What the fuck am I looking at and what is the purpose? Will this thing fire? Does anyone have any info on this ammo??
Link to ammo : http://www.jgsales.com/mobile/6.5x55-swedish-m14-blank-belt,-wooden-projectile,-250rd-belt.-p-92461.html

which complete ar-15 upper and lower should i buy from psa for a basic bitch ar-15? it's confusing since there are a lot of different kinds

>>33840556
It's a belt of 6.5 Swede blanks loaded with wooden bullets to generate enough backpressure to cycle the action.
It's for practice with 6.5 Swede-chambered belt-fed machine guns.

>>33840556
It's a blank round. The wood is used as the wadding/crimping. It will fire.

I don't know why they don't just use crimped rounds. Wild ass guess is either they want to reuse the spent brass, or it's a way to get around having to put BFAs on everything.

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>>33836422
CZ75 or an old S&W 5906 pistol, both can have flush fitting 17rd magazines.

Of course, they also have double-action/single-action triggers so they're not really the same (but that also goes for the P226)

>>33839140
Check the sticky.

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>>33840784
We did put blankfire adapters on our old 6.5mm guns, it's a plug(ish) thing which would catch and shatter/pulverize the wood as it passed through.

I'm thinking if anything it's to make the cartridges handle more like live ones, or it's for feeding. That shit goes back quite far, we didn't really have an automatic infantry rifle in 6.5mm, besides the Ljungman AG42, but it wasn't in wide use, maybe you'd have one per squad (like I think we made less than 5000 of those rifles), and the rest had 6.5mm Mauser repeater rifles or 9mm m/45 subguns.

>>33841298
Actually checking Wikipedia it seems we made closer to like 30000, but I might be thinking of the first model, since there was a later upgrade B model.

>>33831878
God damn that stock looks sexy. I would prkbably have an even harder time in Canada getting it though. I went with the nova fue to price, super is 130 more maple pesos

>want to buy Vz 58
>czechpoint website is out of stock
>called various LGS
>only one LGS has them
>they only have one left

I really hate the idea of buying gun that's been sitting out and being fondled, dropped and dry fired by every fucker in the county. Should I just suck it up, or should I wait for an indeterminate period for them to come back in stock online?

Can anyone dump shooting infographics? Disappointment in my less than prodigious rise to hasguns,

>>33841750
How desperate are you?
Check it for metal-on-metal wear from having the bolt run back and forth with no lube, check the furniture for cracks from being dropped.
Ask for a discount since it's been sitting out getting fingerfucked for so long.

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>>33841809
>Can anyone dump shooting infographics?
ask again in the next thread, this one's on the precipice of the bump limit

>>33841863

I'm really wanting to get my hands on one, but... shit.

In an email to Czechpoint they responded saying they should get more in stock by late may/early june. I guess I could wait, but I'm going to have to F5 that goddamn webpage every day to make sure I get one before they are sold out again.

>>33822790
If imported el fakeo eotechs and shit from China so you should be fine, best bet is to just email customs, that's how I got a plate carrier into the country

>>33842058 I've***

I am in Queensland however, which is slightly less cucked then the likes of Victoria ect.

>>33841953
or just make an info thread.

>>33842050
Don't settle. You can wait for a pure virgin raifu.

>>33842193
indeed

>>33825272
Yeah, every time someone talks about building a gun around here a bunch of autists who can't use basic tools mock them to make up for their insecurities. Building is fun even if in the end you spend more money and may have (or may not, depending on you, your tools and the platform) a lesser gun. And you learn a ton about the platform while you do it. I've got a couple BM59 kits that are going to be great projects this summer, one for me and one for my oldests first centerfire.

>>33819222
Pawn shops have gallons of them. I got a Dan Wesson 15-2 that I paid 300 for. Better than Smith and 95% of a python.

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Is there a particular recommended cheap shooting bag or should I just go with Caldwell?

>>33842521
A bag of rice/sand from Wal-Mart/Home Depot

>>33828024
I've always thought that when it came to the gun you shouldn't make trade offs for weight. I'm also a weirdo that spends an hour on a balance board holding a rifle in the firing position for completion training 3 times a week. If you're not willing to do that and want to compete then probably go for it, just make sure you're not compromising too much.

>>33828042
Aim surplus has worked out, they don't have a lot at any one time but they do have a rotating stock of cool stuff. For parts kits apex always has something interesting.

>>33829348
> WD-40
> Water displacing 40
This. Same as post gun boiling pre finish.

>>33829522
Harder to kill yourself without guns though...

>>33830154
Lol, government being effective and planning ahead? Where are the mods? Get this underage out of here.

>>33830209
And burning doesn't require digging so....

>>33839140
Every QTDDTOT this comes up and you stingy bastards won't seed. This nice young ATF agent keeps making one simple request and none of you Jews will do one simple thing.

How much if a cartridge is actually full of powder?

Are they completely full, or 50% and is it different with settling and +p ammo?

>>33842871
depends on the load. could be anywhere between like 10% full and completely full. for really light loads you have to use a filler to hold the powder to the bottom to ignite

>>33843128
Thanks anon.

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worth it?

I'm buying a surplus gun that is supposed to be blued, but it's reconstructed semi auto receiver was parkerized.

What's the easiest way to give it a blued appearance? I'm thinking of giving it a glossy black paint job

>>33843959
You could always blue it