a 6.5 grendel AUG would be the best rifle ever existed it would

>>33811648
>discuss

You can keep posting this all you want, no one gives a shit or thinks you're the next JMB just because you realized the AUG and 6.5 both exist in the same timeline.

>mushy trigger
>bullfail

>>33811699
Trigger issues were fixed in A3

and if you have problems with bullpup design list them

>>33811699
My AUG trigger isn't mushy. Stiff and heavy, but no mush. Better than all of these shitty fantastic plastic striker guns that everyone fawns over.

>>33811699
> Never shot an AUG

>>33811648
Why so many fucking rails??
It's so damn ugly
Fucking Pete Athens

>>33811670
Fundamentally this

>>33811648
Just because something is a bullpup doesn't mean it's automatically better in any way, or has better weight distribution, the opposite is often the case. They also reload awkwardly and the triggers are crappier compared to conventional layout triggers except in certain cases, like the TAR.

>>33811766
>Blaming Pete Athens because people complained the AUG wasn't customizable and thus the rails upon rails era was born.

>>33811648
Bullpups dont have better weight distribution. Theyre typically back heavy as fuck

>>33811785
>Implying back heavy isn't superior.

>>33811648
Steyr AUGs allow for >77gr bullets in 5.56, or smaller bullets with longer O.A.L. for more powder due to the magazine design which would give you the same performance without getting a heavy ass meme cartridge with less capacity. /k/ommandos don't mention this in any AUG thread because their largely noguns Eurofags senpai.

>>33811670
Came in here to say this.

For better or worse OPanon, militaries around the world have adopted 5.56. Unless you can offer something TRULY revolutionary, they'll prefer to use the obscene stockpiles they've already got rather then tossing away billions of dollars on what might be a meme round.

>>33811778
No, I know... I'm just mad he raised his prices. Already bought one off him now I want another and he's charging me 100$ more for the OD green stock.

>>33811712
shoot it left and get back to me
tell me why the f2k in 6.5 wouldn't be superior? Not that i'm arguing it's the best gun possible in the world like your crazy ass, but it'd be better than the aug in 6.5 (:

>>33811648
What a sexy rifle

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>>33811812
lol
I got mine for $2050 shipped like 2 years ago. What are the prices now?

>>33811785
So the weight is closer to your body.. sounds optimal to me

>>33811795
>>33811870
I... What. I know /k/ is noguns but this is getting out of control.

>>33811877
Just because you are used to doing it one way, doesn't mean thats the best way

>>33811877
It literally is better though. I can shoot the same groups one handed with an AUG as I can my SR-15 with sling and support hand. Pretty fucking good considering I have nearly a decade on the AR family and have only shot my buddy's AUG a handful of times.

>>33811865
The same if not cheaper, I can find the ODG NATO stocked Aug for starting at $1500 plus taxes online

>>33811877
>Front heavy
>The gun is unwieldy, feels heavier due to the moment of inertia being farther from the pivot. i.e. your shoulder

>Balanced in the middle
>Better but still less optimal

>Balanced between your shoulder and shooting hand.
>Best as in the rifle sits more comfortably and doesn't droop and strain you as much.

No guns please.

>>33811893
>Recoil generally forces barrel upwards, slightly towards the left
>An entire system of very successful and well-documented compensators add weight to the front of the barrel in order to mitigate said recoil
>But hey, instead of putting that weight at the front of the rifle, we can put it at the back
>Because fuck years of R&D on the subject, you just can't know if its good, right?

I'm not trying to say that bullpups are stupid, but the very idea of unevening an already uneven weight and considering that "better" for whatever reason is just... It's wrong. You're wrong. Heavy weight at the back of a rifle with nothing to even it out is bad.

The only bullpup that should exists should be shotguns, and AKs

>>33811917
Was it with a 20" barrel and a 3.0x optic?

NATO stock is trash anyways. AUG mags can be had for $20-$30 and thry're great quality.

>>33811948
No 16" carbine barrel, no optic

The non NATO stocks seem to be cheaper when you look at getting the optics.

>>33811946
6/10 you're getting replies.

>>33811946
>An entire system of very successful and well-documented compensators add weight to the front of the barrel in order to mitigate said recoil
You're not very smart.

>>33811749
>Stiff and heavy

Dick jokes aside, all military service rifles have stiff and heavy triggers.

>>33811815
You can swap bolts to make it left-handed. And in the case where you're 2hispeed4me, you can still fire it from your non-dominant shoulder without issue.
The brass will bump across your chin, but it isn't a big deal. There's even brass deflectors for AUGs.

>>33811648
6.8 or fuck off.

>>33811670
>>33811810
The combination of 6.5 Grendel and a 20" barrel is cool as shit for civilian use, especially as it branches out into things that aren't ARs (Howa boltguns, Veprs, etc.). It really doesn't matter if the military adopts it or not as long as we can still get guns chambered in it.

>6.5grendel
Literally just the cucked version of 6.5 creedmoor
850yd vs 1200yd

>>33814266
1. Needing to shoot past 850yd is rare as fuck for most people.
2. Lighter recoiling.
3. Fits in an AR-15 or other intermediate gun.
4. Lighter recoil.
5. Cheaper practice ammo.

Unless you're hunting seriously big game (moose, brown bear, etc.) or taking kilometer-long shots, 6.5 Grendel covers the range of things that most people do with guns quite nicely.

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>>33811766
I've always found AUGs to be butt ugly guns, pic related just never appealed to me. But OP's AUG is a pretty sexy gun in my opinion famalam.

>>33814386
that's an AUG A3 CQC. You can buy these anymore.


Unless...you want to buy mine?

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>>33814386
I learned that bullpups can be aesthetic pretty recently

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>>33814411
>I learned that bullpups can be aesthetic pretty recently

>>33814619
>putting an ACOG and a cheese grater on a 4MOA garbage rod

>>33811917
Where? Please help an Anon out
Pete wants 1700 for NATO stock
And 1600 for non NATO
I want NATO because i have so many pmags already

>>33814405
They can still be had.

http://www.pjs-steyraug.com/CQCKit.html

>>33814631
> Not realizing the m4 is 4moa

>>33814739
The M4 has a tiny barrel compared to the Tavor unless you're thinking of the IDF-issue x95, which is also shit.

>>33814662
>Not getting the non-NATO and buying 4 42 round mags instead.

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>>33811648
>almost 8 pounds unloaded with no optic

>>33814754
Fine fine fine...
I'll do it...
Found some GunBroker stuff going for cheap...
Problem is it's white or FDE.
I can just have the stock cerakote covered though
I want to be able to use the same mags
And they're 40$ each bro
Ughhhhh

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>>33814766
> Being a good for nothing manlet

>>33814950
They're not $40.

http://www.44mag.com/category/steyr

>>33814964
Ok, next question, do I put aimpoint pro or acog on it? I don't like the railed optic look at all.
Is the gun really worth it?

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>>33814991
>Is it worth it.
I love mine, dude. Worth every penny.

I'd do ACOG if I had to choose between the two. Or you could get one of the 3.0x optics(with or without carry handle) and slap an aimpoint on top of it.

>>33811648
Imagine this gun with a dark wood stock

>>33811699
I used the Australian AUG while in Iraq.

the progressive trigger was neat. press a little for semi, all the way for auto.

>>33814991

That's a $800 difference between the two. You tell me.

>>33815378
They both have thier merits, acog is kind of overpriced for what anybody would normally use it for anyways.
Aimpoints are bombproof too, they just run out of batteries eventually.

>>33815034
I don't really like the railed optic look at all, can you can an a1 optic and put it on?

>>33815291

>the progressive trigger was neat. press a little for semi, all the way for auto.

Is that reliable? It sounds like there's a lot of potential for it to go wrong.

>>33815705
Nope. They did do a limited run earlier this year with A3M1s that had an old style non railed optic, but they were more collectors items and are all gone.

You can get those little rail covers to make it look cleaner if you want. I'll be honest that the railed look was a little off putting to me at first, but it just kind of grew on me and I don't mind it at all now.

>>33816346
Damsun
Looking at one right now for 1200$, long rail no optic.

>>33811648
seems like a good idea, but it wont ever happen

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>>33811815
>shoot it left and get back to me
GO BACK TO HELL AGENT OF THE DEVIL

>>33811648
I can get a AR in 6.5 Grande, checkmate.

>>33816500
Get one of these for it, my man.

http://www.pjs-steyraug.com/A3SCOPE.html

>>33811977
>>33811987

I love the obvious samefagging with no argument from the newfags.

>>33811648
>not linking your personal extensive NATO testing results

theres nothing to discuss

"hurr the sky is full opf purple polkadots prove me wrong"
discuss

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>>33811648
I literally want to fuck an AUG, they are the most sexy guns ever

>>33811807
Anything with a proper twist rate does the same shit, it just has a longer barrel.

>>33815756
it is like a two stage trigger. you can feel it out pretty well.

>>33814266
You're desperation to use that word is making you look very nearly as retarded as you actually are

>>33811946
>>>33811893
>>Recoil generally forces barrel upwards, slightly towards the left

...no. Just....no.

Recoil force drives the bolt face STRAIGHT BACK. Always, always.

If you have a shit-tastic rifle design inherited from the goddamn 13th century that then places the plane of the bolt face anywhere but directly in front of the contact point of the buttstock with your shoulder, THEN you get this twisting force you describe.

Hint: Don't do that.

Even worse, the further the bolt face is from the point of contact with your shoulder, the larger said torque becomes, because of basic fucking physics, you mong.

>>An entire system of very successful and well-documented compensators add weight to the front of the barrel in order to mitigate said recoil

Because most rifles are designed because of 'muh traditions' or 'looks gud', not to make a functional weapon.

>>But hey, instead of putting that weight at the front of the rifle, we can put it at the back

Front or back doesn't matter shit except for pointing speed and ease of use. Pointing speed and ease of use are both IMPROVED by moving mass closer to the body.

How straight the bolt-line is with the contact point is all that really matters for keeping your sight picture on-target.

Note how straight the m-16 is, or how the AK-47 has the gas system above the barrel. Both those designs are meant to move the bolt face in-line with the buttstock contact point.

Yikes.

>>33814411

That is a nice rig indeed.

>bullpup
Enjoy your reload time and shit balance.

>>33819780
>Even worse, the further the bolt face is from the point of contact with your shoulder, the larger said torque becomes, because of basic fucking physics, you mong.

To clarify, the vertical distance from the point of contact matters, not the horizontal distance.

>>33811927
>recoil

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>2012+5
>Not buying the ef-88/f-90

top kek you guys are retarded

>>33814405
CQC? Aren't they called A3 Sf/Se? I had one as service rifle and own one now here in austria.

>>33811772
Awkward reload my ass, takes 10 minutes of practice and you'll be reloading as fast as any arfag.

t. Someone who actually owns an Aug

>>33821496
Baffle Strikes

>>33814752
I also dislike the tavor buuuuut

How does that probe your point? The tavor having a longer barrel than a ~same length m4 is kind of the idea behind bullpups

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>>33815161

>>33814381
This is why I have my ar chambered in 6.5. It just does anything I would realistically do as a boring ass civilian.

>>33822184
sure thing bub

>>33822696
Like you'll ever be a high speed low drag operator who needs to do quick change mags.
Go look at a YouTube video of Aug mag change and get back to us keyboard warrior

>>33811648
The AUG isn't even the best bull-pup rife

>>33811648
>using 6.5 grendel
>when 6.5 creedmoor exists
Grendel serves only one purpose: been shoehorned into AR-15. If you pick another rifle there is no reason to follow AR-15 constraints anymore.

>>33823571
>using 6.5 cuckmore

>>33823571
see
>>33814381

>>33811648
and why exactly should a country (specifically the US/NATO) adopt this?
>new training programs
>lol fuck your inventory of parts and all your armorers
>hey NATO restandardize your shit, no big deal right?
>US troops, basically the main NATO force, don't fucking use bullpups so active duty guys would be really hard to convert over
>troops are currently deployed so you will have mixed units for a while
>what do we do with the fucking SHITLOAD of M16-type rifles that we now got rid of
there is absolutely no reason for the US to adopt this other than
>bullpups are da footure

>>33823863
>>what do we do with the fucking SHITLOAD of M16-type rifles that we now got rid of
Repeal the Hughes Amendment, NFA, and GCA, and milsurp 'em.

>>33823287
What is?
> MDR
Assuming it functions and ships and keeps functioning
> Tavor
mAh 4moa
> Rdb
Kelkek
> Ps90
Breddy gud but not a rifle

>>33811648
10mm P90 is better

>>33824422
if anything, if the US were to adopt a bullpup, it's something we'd design here ground-up

>>33824422
F2000 is poppin' little juke joint of a rifle, daddio.

>>33824454
And the waffleniggers discontinued it.

>>33824492
I thought they just stopped importing it into the USA.

>>33824650
No, the FS2000 got discontinued entirely. The F2000 (select fire version) is still made.

>>33814961
>projecting your lanklet levers this hard
daily reminder short soldiers win wars

>>33825111
I'm guessing you haven't ever hiked any distance with any kind of weapon eh keyboard operator?

You can be skinny and small and strong enough to carry a gun, it's sort of par for the course really.

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>>33823863
and why exactly should a country (specifically the US) adopt this?
>new training programs
>lol fuck your inventory of parts and all your armorers
>hey all branches restandardize your shit, no big deal right?
>US troops don't fucking use semi-automatics so active duty guys would be really hard to convert over
>troops are currently deployed so you will have mixed units for a while
>what do we do with the fucking SHITLOAD of M1903 Springfield-type rifles that we now got rid of
there is absolutely no reason for the US to adopt this other than
>semiautos are da footure

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>>33811785

>>33825852
kek rekt