Why in the fuck is the 1911 more revered than the Browning Hi-power?

>>33806750
probably because it doesn't blow people away with the .45ACP stoppin' powah of the 1911

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>>33806750
Just didn't take off in the American market, probably because USmil had a hard on for .45ACP and the average joe didn't question bigger is better.

Plus surplus 1911s and military familiarization with them.

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>>33806750
Because the Hi-Power was never widely adopted nor officially adopted by any branch of the U.S. military.

Unrelated to it's lack of popularity vs the 1911, John Browning's influence on the Hi-Power is kinda overstated, as it went through loads of changes after he died, even if the base idea was there. It was basically a different gun given the name in honor of Browning.

>>33806924
You shut your whore mouth.

>>33806750
>It's was basically his magnum opus, and perfection of his craft.
And then Saive fucked it up. Seriously though, the Hi-power was gimped from the moment design started due to French demands and Colt's patents.

>>33806883
>probably because USmil had a hard on for .45ACP and the average joe didn't question bigger is better.
Not likely given the extreme popularity of .38 Super during the time of the Hi-Power's introduction.

>>33806750
because nostalgia. by any account, the Hi-Power is a superior gun

Couldn't kill Pope John Paul II

>>33807489
>Divine will of the Lord
>Puny 9mm

Because America.

That's literally why, lol. If the Hi-Power had been developed and adopted by Russia or the United States, then it would be in every fuckin movie and every American with a pistol permit would want one.

That said, I spent some time abroad in the past and learned to greatly appreciate this series of pistols (the hi power). I also absolutely love its appearance with a blued finish and the nice set of grips.

If I had a pistol permit in the U.S. (Difficult given my situation), the Hi Power would be on my wishlist for sure, right after a CZ52.

>>33806933
Saive did fine and the HP has a fantastic reputation. Just because the frogs wanted a mag disconnect doesn't mean Saive fucked anything. Stop fucking about the gun not being 100% JMB like Saive was great in his own right or that JMB hadn't said Pedersen was GOAT

>>33807568
>pistol permit
>U.S.

Son, let me explain true freedom to you.

>>33807568
The fuck is a pistol permit

>>33807568
This is America, you can just buy a handgun from your friendly neighborhood melanin enriched gentleman, or redneck.

remove the magazine safety and gun is fine.

my israeli surplus mk2 from 1985 shoots as well as my father's new Glock19.

>>33806936
In an inferior round, as History has proven.

And you are a euro faggot for liking that pantywaisted piece of double shit shit.

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>>33806750
It is, it's called the CZ 75

>>33807654
>>33807676
pistol purchase permits. thats the law in several states. in order to purchase handguns in north carolina for instance, must have a concealed handgun license or a pistol purchase permit

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>>33807728
Let me explain what freedom is to you.

Freedom can be many things, from swearing at the police, to refusing quarter to British military personnel. A critical part of a free and open society is correct capacity magazines. 9mm allows us to be more free, by allowing more ammunition to be fired without need for a pesky reload.

Now, naturally the liberals are revolted by things like capacity, seeing as they inherently fear large numbers. Therefor .45acp is a more liberal cartridge.

It's just basic math.

>>33807806
>pistol purchase permits. thats the law in several states. in order to purchase handguns in north carolina for instance, must have a concealed handgun license or a pistol purchase permit
Really? So it's actually easier to buy a handgun here in California than it is in North Carolina?

>>33807806
how in the fuck is that constitutional?

how is the FOID (2nd amendment privilege card) constitutional either?

>>33807993
Are you 21 yet? You also need a "license" in cali to buy a pistol.

>>33807730
If only it came in 7.62x25 like the Based-52.

>>33806924
he didn't finish it, spent most of his time trying to make a 1911 that didn't violate 1911 patents

>>33808892
Requirements to buy any firearms in CA are:
Long guns: age 18 and over and a firearm safety certificate (fsc)
Handgun: age 21 and over and fsc.
To get an fsc it's a free usually 25 bucks and it's like 10-15 questions, i forget the total amount, you have to pass with basically an 80%. It's easier than getting a driving license and that's pretty easy as it is. But doesn't mean it's not bullshit, fuck this gay state.

>>33809248
It's 30 questions and you can miss 7. The hardest part of the test is paying the $25 fee.
Even brain-dead fucksticks from NC can pass it.

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>>33809069
7.62x25 is inferior to 9x19. There's a reason Russia phased it out.

>>33807730
CZ-75 does not shoot like a Hi Power.

I wish someone made a modern tacticooled Hi Power.

>and is only obsolete due to advances in materials science.

I dont think these "new age" guns made of plastic parts any better than these old guns

>>33806750
>Why in the fuck is the 1911 more revered than the Browning Hi-power?
WW2. I don't know the exact number of americans who returned from the war, but you can bet they all had touched a 1911 at some point and were told how amazing it was and could recite the 'stop man in his tracks' meme.
That is a lot of free advertising.

>>33806750
>The Hi-power power was one of Browning's final designs, he was working on it right up until he passed.

that means it was unfinished, not that it's his magnum opus

>>33806750
>It's was basically his magnum opus
It's not even in a magnum cartridge.
Set and match, anon.

>>33806750
handle too wide
didnt kill enugh natzis

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>>33806924
The 1911 was pretty fucking different when he sold the patent to Colt, little at all like we know it today.

>>33809559
That's pretty nice but
>no spur hammer
>15rd magazine

>>33807806
i'm too lazy to google, but I believe that's from licensed dealers probably
wouldn't be shocked if you could buy or inheret form private individuals without a permit

>>33809368
Doesn't Nighthawk, Wilson, and/or Dan Wesson do that?

>>33811798
There are flush 18 round mags

>>33813501
>from 13 to 18 round flush magazines
How'd they do it? When I shot one with 20 rounders it was sticking out like the CMC 10 magazines for 1911s.

>>33809368
nigga, the CZ is basically a modernized Hi Power

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>>33809368
Nighthawk Custom did. They even removed the magazine safety and added a beavertail.

>>33813648
gorgeous, I don't even want to ask about price

>>33813577
>>33813501
Mecgar makes them.

>>33813465
>>33813648
Still needs a rail for a light... And it probably costs something ridiculous.

I've been tempted for a while to buy a $250 FEG and just pay to have it refinished after getting a rail installed.

>>33813648
>Nighthawk decided back in early 2015 not to try to re-invent the perfect double stack, but to improve upon the Browning Hi Power. This classic design offers perfect balance, size and fire power, with an impressive 13 round magazine capacity. We took one of the most revered pistols of all time and made it better. The results of our efforts have improved accuracy, reliability, durability, and esthetics!
>esthetics
>Starting at $3,195
>impressive 13 round magazine capacity
>impressive
kek

>>33813669
Really expensive. The removal of the magazine disconnect and their brand new triggers makes this my dream pistol.

I've had slide bite from our No.2 Mk1* Hi-Powers so the added beavertail into the frame is also sick as heck.

>>33813716
>impressive 13 round magazine capacity
lol

That's why it was originally called the Hi-Power though.

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>>33809368
modern tacticool it yourself.
A new finish, some np3 plating, a tuned wilson spring set, a set of night sights, a magazine saftey removal, adding C&S controls and trigger group and some 17 round mags is all she needs

>>33809371
This right here

Polymer saves like 6 or 7 ounces?
Not a it deal
The only real advantage over steel is that it's cheaper to manufacture, which unless your an absolute poorfag doesn't make the gun "obsolete"

Op needs to stop buying the meme

>>33811798
The hi power is the same height as the glock 19. More than 15 flush fitting rounds in that size gun is fucking impossible.

REEEEE

>>33813733
>>33813716
>impressive 13 round magazine capacity
didn't the mec-gear 15 round flush fitting ones already exist at this point? Why wouldn't they just package them with their hi powers while they're already dumping modifications into them?

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>>33813788
Those look like original magazine baseplates in the picture with the three Hi-Powers, so I have no idea. Pic related my Chinese-contract Inglis Hi-Power No.1 Mk1.

>>33813787
The high power is also significantly thinner than many 9mms with the same magazine capacity, my buddy CCs his and that shit disappears.

>>33806750
>magnum opus
It doesn't shoot a magnum caliber you fucking retard

>>33813688
>still needs a rail for a light

No it fuck doesn't faggot. Only reason to have a light on your handgun is if you're using it for home defense. Don't use a handgun for home defense.
Lights on carry guns are bulky and you still need to carry a flashlight with you anyways. They also add weight, fuck up the balance and are FUCKING HIDEOUS.

Your handgun doesn't need to be outfitted like youre tacticool ar 15, in 9mm using one hand for flashlight one hand to hold the gun works fine

>>33813806
honestly I can't even tell anymore

>>33813803
pretty cool, are those Inglis ones NFA exempt, or did you have to stamp it?

>>33813788
That would have added $250 to the price.

>>33813733
It takes literally 10 minutes to remove the mag safety, no reason why it should be a "dream gun". You can get a trigger job for a lot less than 2 grand friendo.

>slide bight
Sorry you have fat pudgy ham hands

13/15 rounds is pretty impressive for a gun that thin, and once you fix the magazine disconnect they generally have nice triggers and are very reliable

A high power is a better carry option than a 1911

>>33813804
Yup. Literally the thinnest slide of any other pistol in the same caliber. It's actually thinner than a 1911.

I'd carry one but I don't like thumb safeties

>>33808860
Hell you can't even rent a pistol without a permit in New York.
>>33807865
Underrated post.

>>33813858
Agreed, the safety isn't as easy/ positive to disengage as the 1911 though.
Also modern hi powers have dovetailed sights, and you can easily tap in some mepro nights sights. Polycoat finish on Mk IIIs adds better wear resistance than bluing but still looks sexy
Also even though it's all steel it only weighs 32 ounces - very easily carried.

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>>33813853
Just taking out the magazine safety doesn't magically make the trigger pull nicer. I'm a skinny short guy at 5'8" and hold my handguns high up on the grip. Hi-Powers are known for the slide biting and considering I use them extensively I would know.

>>33813829
I'm a leaf, everything you have said is like Chinese to me.

>>33813920
Except it decrease the trigger pull weight by about two pounds and makes the take up considerably smoother.
At least the new MK III I have already had an extremely crisp break with no overtravel or creep.
The only thing that sucks about the stock trigger is that there's no appreciable reset. I don't mind since I trained on revolvers, but it is a deficiency.

I've never gotten slide bight but if it's a problem for you than by all means get what you want

>>33813960
If you don't believe me, Yankee Marshall (huge fag,I know) did a pretty good video on the pull and weight before and after removal - might be a good vid to watch if you're not sure how to remove the safety

>>33813960
>Except it decrease the trigger pull weight by about two pounds and makes the take up considerably smoother.
Not on any No.2 Mk1*s I've tried it on. I feel the trigger pull being a little lighter and nothing else, but the triggers on our pistols are already so fucking bad that on real MkIIIs I'm pretty sure it could actually do something better.

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>>33806933
>And then Saive fucked it up.

Euhm, the Grand Rendement (meant for french service) which Browning made was a flop, largely due to various of his designs not being available for use due to patents.

When Browning died, it's Saive that rolled back many of the "bad" work arounds of the Grand Rendement & early versions of the HP once those patents expired.

As a result, Saive made it in the incredibly popular pistol we know today. It was the first "wonder nine" and it took until about the 1990's for armies to start replacing them wholesale as their designated sidearms. That's over fifty years of continuous service with armies all over the world. Some armies use it still...

Yes, the 1911 has proven more popular in competition shooting and aftermarket, but the Hi-Power eclipsed the 1911 due to sheer production numbers. It's also one of the only weapons produced in massive quantities by both allies and axis in the second world war.

>>33809559

LOL, SFS. Man, I need to build me an SFS Hi-Power, just for kicks. Such an overengineered solution to a psychological problem.

>>33813768
Glock 19 unloaded weight is 21 oz, Hi Power is 32 oz.

Looking at straight numbers, it doesn't sound like much, but when you actually feel the difference in your hand it is absolutely noticeable. Obviously there's a definite, if in some cases subjective preference towards the feel of an all-steel handgun, and especially when it comes to shootability overall it tends to be a big plus, however it's more relative than anything when looking at the big picture, as that 10 oz. difference means a lot more when something is riding on your hip. It completely changes the kind of holster and belt you're looking for.

Yes, you can suck it up either way and make it work, but if you have the option to buy something that's a lighter, has the same or better capacity and reliability, and will enable you to both carry more often and with less concern and effort, it's kind of a no-brainer. At the end of the day though, it really can't be much more than personal preference as no one is ever forcing anyone to buy anything.

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>>33807568
>pistol permit
>in America

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Sigs are the only iteration of the 1911 that counts. Fuck your weak-ass Hi-Powers and CZs.

>>33806750
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>>33808860
Ok, basically what happened is as follows.

>Saint Browning bestows the pistol among pistols to man.

>People either embrace or cling to their ancient pagan revolvers.

>The 1911 following is quite literally a colt following at this point.

>No one will accept the 9mm because they remember the happening of the .32ACP when "recreational pharmaceuticals" came on the scene.

>The new shepherd of pistols acknowledges its immaturity and goes back to the temple of Browning for study until it matures later in the twentieth century.

>>33813750
You've posted your Hi Power before. Very nice man. How much was the finish?
What grips are those? I really would want a rail for a light. What night sights did you find that fit?

>>33813824
Easy there buttblasted boy.
I'm not trying to put a light on a carry gun, but rather make modern duty gun out of a Hi Power. This means a rail and a light on the rail.
>Flash light in one hand and one hand on the gun works fine
Opinion discarded like the trash that it is.

>>33806924
>>33807568
The Hi power is the single most used sidearm by military and police over the whole world, being adopted by over 80 countries and many still using it today.
>>33807730
>>33813623
wrong, The CZ is a modern handgun using a double stack magazine, and a browning tilting barrel, those are the only things the CZ has in common with the Hi power.
By that metric every modern handgun aside from a select few are browning hi power clones.
Saying the CZ is a better gun is just another example of poorguns trying to justify the cheaper option being 'better", slapping a poor DA/SA trigger and over building the gun to justify poor metallurgy and QC definitely dosent make it a "better" by any stretch.
>>33813920
Fat hands=slide bite, dont blame the gun for your inferior genetics

>>33807806
Become resident of another state.

>>33814306
do you know that is based on the french mac1935 you stupid motherfucker

Why have double action trigger become a thing?

>>33814587
faggots who think carrying cocked and locked is too scary and think Israeli carrying isnt an option. Literally just that.

>>33814587
Literally this:>>33814610

>>33806750
>Why in the fuck is the 1911 more revered than the Browning Hi-power?
The 1911 served as the sidearm for the United States during WWII, the most dramatic conflict in history. It saved the lives of soldiers during the war, who came back and sung it's praises. The 1911 was raised to be an icon of power and reliability in the US, where guns and the idea of "bigger is better" are ingrained into the culture.

1911 really is a great gun, even if it's age shows compared to other designs made only shortly after, like the Hi Power.

>>33814368
>colt following

criminally underrated.

>>33807865

No FA.....but with FA cuts on bolt.

Hm..... disgusting.jpg

>>33816189
speaking of the FA I've heard it called a jam assist. I get that it doesn't really have a purpose on a modern ar as you can silently advance the bolt using your thumb on the scallop cutout on the BCG side but how does it make it more likely to jam?

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>>33816189
Colt would do that with SP1 rifles, as the bolts were upgraded and had the cuts for the forward assist (itself arguably a sidegrade and useless feature), they would still assemble SP1 rifles with slabside uppers and then newer bolts (and actual M16s too for that matter).

If you've ever seen a sample of various SP1 rifles, they can actually look pretty different, Colt were funny like that back then (instead of just being sad, like now).
For instance, one can look pretty damn close to a pre-A1 M16, another can be a 20" barreled rifle with a CAR15 stock, with carbine length handguards and gas system, then you could have something that has an old unfenced lower, an A1 upper, along with an A2 stock and handguards.

I'll agree that a carrier without the serrations would look a bit cleaner together with a slabside upper.

>>33816305
Can you think of any malfunction that you can make better, not worse, by forcing the bolt into battery?

>>33816887
Failure to go all the way into battery?

>>33807865

I understand some 9mm's hold as many as 18 "freedoms" at one time. Is this true?

>>33807993

That's all kinds of fucked up right there.

>>33813648
Cylinder & Slide, Novak and Jim Garthwaite did them better and sooner. Nighthawk can go fuck itself

>>33813750

>Dat grip

>>33813688
Mec-gar makes 10,13,15 and 20rd mags for the HP and an argentine company made a 17 which isn't flush. Daves lists an 18rd mag but the mag body is marked 15 with a 15rd sku.

>>33811798
So add a spur hammer. Do you know what the SFS means

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>>33817096
>17 round mags
I use the pearce mag extensions on mec gar 15rd mags to get 17. They work great, would recommend. They dont sit flush and look kinda goofy unless you are into john wick style stuff, but i love em.

>>33809360
Yeah they phased it out for something weaker than both, lol.

>>33814415
Problem solved. Unless you want a shitty ramlite or some welding.

https://garthwaite.myshopify.com/collections/parts

>>33817173
Those and Mec-gar +2s are a godsend since they fit damn near any DS mag and usually work with a tiny bit of tinkering. Apparently Beretta mags will feed a HP if held in place, but they don't lock

>>33817270
Same with Ruger "P" series mags, I made teh mistake of buying a 30rd mag at a gunshow for a ruger p series instead of high power, and it fits, the mag catch dosent line up though. Ive been just looking at it for like 3 weeks now angry at it.

>>33806750
It isn't you cuck. Learn the specs you fucking kike

>>33817332
Well get to filing, you make that fucker fit

>>33807730

>2 dollars have been deposited into your account, Rally Vincent.

>>33808892
>license in quotes

Britcuck detected. Please post a copy of your TV licence immediately

>>33814782
People need to accept we live in a future with kydex holsters and snagless designs. I want my poly-strikers to have 4-pound triggers out of the box, dammit!

>>33819202
But thats still retarded. Also
>I want my poly-strikers to have 4-pound triggers out of the box
fucking seriously?
Cocked and locked is safe because you leave the safety on and thumb it off when you draw, going sub 5 pound trigger on a safetyless striker fired piece of shit is just looking to get your dick blown off.

>>33806750
Because the US Army never adopted it, and because he sold it to FN most people thought it was a Belgian weapon rather than american.

The 1911 is revered because of WW2 and nationalism. That's really all there is to it.

I agree the HP is a superior design.

>>33819234
I was being a jokester and taking my gun-futurism to an absurd point. If we're being serious, I'd like to see experiments with making manual safeties that fit the snagless design of poly-strikers. I'd much prefer a manual safety and a good trigger, I can always train to deactivate the safety on my draw, over three passive safeties and a shitty trigger. Half-compromises always cause more problems than they solve, better to have a reliable manual safety and just teach people to have the discipline to never deactivate the safety until they're ready to blow someone away.

>>33816961
Yes my child, and in a single magazine no less!

>>33806750

The original design actually had more in common with a Glock than a 1911. It called for a 17 round double stack striker fired pistol utilizing the 1911's tilting barrel.

>>33807865

>Carbine length gas
>16" barrel
>No bayonet lug

Good job. I'd put a vinyl acetate coated aluminum stock on it, but that's just me.