If power armor ever became viable how would one go about making

>>33795767
for use in power armor or for anti power armor wielded by conventional infantry.

the former, you make an oversized LMG style weapon designed to be operated by massive hands

for the latter you make an anti-tank rifle. perhaps with a shorter barrel.

>>33795767
An M2 with a stock.

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Just add a high capacity assault clip.

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>>33795832

>>33795767
Simple, a big gun with a big clip

Would power armor stop at just .50 caliber? Just looking at weight of some 20mm autocannons and power armor could easily carry it and maybe 100 or so rounds.

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>>33797210
Gotta consider the function of power armor though. An all-terrain armored unit that wouldn't have to give a shit about wading into high exposure areas like jungles concrete and otherwise laden with traps and hidy-holes might be better equipped with weaponry made to hose down soft targets across unclear conditions. A 20mm would be better suited to air support given weight and situationality.

Not saying you couldn't have a power armored troop lugging a 20mm but it's less applicable than a .50 caliber MG IMO.

>>33797276
IMO a power armored soldier would probably be most useful for raids and that sort of thing. There's little your enemy can do when your point man just kool-aid man'd his way through the wall with an M240B in hand.

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>>33797289
Agreed! The applications are really derived from the idea of "What if we could make a tank that can fit through a doorway/climb stairs/determine hostage from hostile?" So securing urban centers and clearing dense wilderness without leveling everything in their wake would be the main draw.

>>33797289
With an up-powered shotgun, possibly built into the forearm?

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>>33797435
Give him one of these babies.

>>33797289
>kool-aid man'd
Made me laugh harder than I should've desu

>>33795767
5 man squad
3 guys with M2HB's with backpack belts
1 guy with whatever the milcor' serenades are but a 5-10 round clip
1 guy with a 20-30mm real life bolter (squad leader)

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>>33795767
Just rig up an existing Browning.

>>33797501
*milcor's grenades

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>>33797501
>bolter
Just use good ol chainsaw grip.

>>33797501
>clip

It's like you don't even know where you are

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>implying the suits won't have built in rifles, or better yet no humans.

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>>33797589
>implying the suits won't have built in rifles, or better yet no humans
this

>>33795767
Considering we now have easily made materials that can be made into armor, that can stop . 50 BMG without it denting the armor while weighing next to nothing, you're looking at something a bit more than something .50 cal if you want to defeat power armor. For sand niggers, M240s are still good at putting people down.

To take down another dude in power armor will be scary though. 20mm minimum at least.

The stuff is Aluminum Oxide plating if anyone's curious. Almost clear as glass, inch thick and it stops .50 cal with it just barely poking though an eighth of an inch without any backing, head on without sloping of any sort, hard to make relatively speaking because of the really high temp and pressures needed, but that's the limit to its difficulty of manufacture. Methods of cheap manufacturing are being developed to mass produce the shit in bulk for armor plating. And given it's just aluminum, it'll be dirt cheap for body armor, compared to ceramic.

That's right lads, level V armor is habbening.

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>>33795767
Don't steal my idea of mounting these to power armor.

>>33797691
>level V armor

I want to believe

>>33795767
I'm assuming that this doesn't mean Mechs but rather items about the size and shape of old plate armor?

Easy.
Larger belts of ammo for the squad light machine gunner, extra mags for your average rifleman, .338 LM becoming more common amongst designated marksmen, and perhaps a 20mm bolt action for snipers.

Volume of fire>caliber.
We would simply develop a 5.56 or 7.62 RFN to penetrate whatever armor we strapped to these guys, which means that quality over quantity only counts for people like snipers where they can usually only shoot once and relocate.

.338 for the DMs is because it's a nice middle ground between my theory on snipers and riflemen.

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>>33795767
like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6P62

High Impulse Weapon System.

Basically a shoulder fired 80mm mortar with manageable recoil.

It'll fuck up power armor all day and cost an order of magnitude less.

I see power armor as being useful in logistics, like the walking cargo loader Ripley used in Aliens.

Very useful for rapid assaults.. Imagine power armor but with NO armor. Being able to jump a few stories high and run 50mph.

>>33797935

https://youtu.be/HyAl9qK3Rlg

>>33797935
>Very useful for rapid assaults.. Imagine power armor but with NO armor. Being able to jump a few stories high and run 50mph.
How about with level III or level IV armor instead?
It'd work well for special forces, for main infantry use it'd be stupid though

>>33795826
This. Just go with a .50 M107A1 20" with a quad stack coffin mag that holds 20 rounds, or a drum of 50. Now you have the power armor equivalent of a battle rifle. For close range, just have a 16" MG42 (or similar). Hell, why not both.

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>>33797196
>big gun
>big clip
20mm Garand should get the job done

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>>33795767

You'd put a shorter barrel on a Barret.

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Go for 'A Farewell to Weapons' loadouts. Heat-resistant shield, grenade launcher, and directed energy laser-like weapon for each dude, but they all carry a specific weapons. High velocity anti-armor rifle, remote controlled RPGs, and recon drones that double as laser-guided bombs.

>>33797691
>Aluminum Oxide
>bauxite
>aluminum ore
irreprehensible K E K S

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>>33795767

>>33798018
PONG!

>>33798208
Boy howdy that design is awful.

>>33795767
Select fire short barreled M107 with a linkless feeder connected to a backpack full of BMG. Could even just mount a short barreled M-2 to each arm if you really wanted assuming the armor could support it.

Could also make modern punt guns for the armor. Imagine the results of a 30mm shell loaded with a fuckton of ball bearings and 00 buck.

>>33798208
Those things would be such garbage. I'm normally on the pro-small mech side but this thing would be useless for anything outside of LE usage like riot control or even just warehouse work. That big windshield is sniper bait and probably won't do jack shit against anything with a bit of pop to it. Enjoy eating a 40mm or RPG and getting ripped apart by shards.

>>33797563
Damnit my autism came out again
Normally I'd know but it's 1:00 AM

>>33797701
Shoulder 'naders

>>33797998
>tfw you see mr badass with his twin M2HB's drum-magged, firing away at sandpeople

>>33797210
I mean in Fallout the Chinese just used aks on it

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>>33798489

THE EMPEROR PROTECTS.

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>>33798232

>>33795767
you're better off with a .308 MG

>>33798026
God that makes me hard

>>33798527
THE EMPEROR'S A CORPSE.

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>>33798612

HERESY

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>>33798621

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>>33798631

the fuck you think,nerd

>>33797966

No, infantry need it.

Do you know how much weight they carry?!

Its OBSCENE.

It destroys their backs and knees because they condition soldiers too fast.

It takes years of training to allow your body to get strong enough to do that without causing lifelong injuries that cost taxpayers an insane sum.

They need a compact power armor that assists them carrying burdens.

>>33797611
Sauce? Image search and googling the name doesn't come up with anything.

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>>33798631

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>>33798652

u cheeky cunt

>>33798026
>You'd put a shorter barrel on a Barret.
>>33798596
It didnt work. Something with the phisics, I don't remember. Has to be long for .50.

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>>33798232

>>33795767
I have been vibing with mobile suits lately, shit is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aDphRCyQTg&index=7&list=LLWxO5vwK4vxIVTBc3BiRNBA

>>33798676
The full auto man is using a shorter barreled Barret in that webm.

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>>33798649
Gallant by Kenichi Sonoda

>>33798700
Weird, I googled the name but I couldn't really find anything but ebay links.

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>>33798708

>>33797435
We inna Planetside now

>>33797589
ah the sword program to bad that thing went awol and they canned the whole program

>>33795788
Maybe .50 beowulf for the latter

>>33798719
Okay, I found it under the name Gall Force, but it seems unrelated to the artwork in >>33797611

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>>33795832
This

>>33797537
God I wish they would import these stateside.

Fookin' Sud Afrikans

>>33798753
Its an artbook of primarily Gall Force material.
That's just the cover art.

>>33797435
We war machine now

>>33797289
>paint suit red
>Draw face on belly
Now we're talking
>have speakers that play "oh yeah" when a collision is detected
>alternatively, MOVE BITCH GET OUT THE WAY

>>33797537
>When you spend your retirement to get one and the bullets don't leave a smoke trail like in halo

>>33798765
Shame, seems kinda cool.

>>33798165
>Ore of aluminum
>Aluminum ore
>Implying that if you're not an autist it'd matter

I bet you're the type to get triggered when someone refers to tempered steel as anything but martensitic stage alloy of iron .

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>>33798821
One of the cooler gunswords I've ever seen.

>>33798643
How about we go back to 1940 and only carry 80lbs?

>>33795767
You wouldn't.

6.5mm LSAT MG w/ DInGO.
40mm GL with airburst HE (<200m) and Pike (<2km), plus WP/smoke rounds.
Sensors and processing to provide accuracy similar to that of a M-1A2 (range, windage, barrel temp, etc.).
Heavier weapons (Javelin, Carl Gustav, backpack kamikaze UAVs, etc.) as needed.

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>>33795767
Already done.

.50 BMG is for the semi-autonomous turret mounted on top of the power pack/comm array.

The soldier's primary weapon is 20mm.

>>33798853

I kinda Agree.

Using straight walled 5.56 would double the capacity of a 30 round STANAG, aluminum cartridges would reduce weight, and in temperate environments water can be procured on site.

Old school Lister bags with a modern touch.

Dehydrated rations to save weight, etc.

But in arid regions water has to be carried.

And for fucks sake we have phones that are also computers and fit in pockets.


They need to rethink what troops carry

>>33798991

As cool as it seems, I think it's a fake prop with surplus rounds taken from military lockers and the guns a cardboard mockup. I think it'd propaganda designed to placate the population and justify the budget and tyranny.

If you can make that gun you can pull the bullets and clean the carts, you know?

>>33795767
The whole idea is wrong. Instead, the increased load carrying capacity will be used to give platoons more heavy weapons (SMAW, Stinger, LWMMG) and munitions for them. Name one thing existing heavy weapons can't do in addition to taking on enemy armor or aircraft that these "assault rifles" can.

>>33795767
I doubt we'd see .50BMG.

More likely something like 7.62 but very long/with super hot loads), generating tons of velocity.

>>33797276
Why do we always see this kind of shit? A giant person in giant armor wielding a bullpup. Wouldn't that be the absolutely hardest type of rifle to reload in armor that didn't allow your arms to basically rotate more than 30° front and back?

>>33795767
What power armour really needs is a sword

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GM-6 Lynx up in this bitch.

Still not full auto, ofc.

>>33798018
>garand thumb now means garand arm

>>33795767
The problem with a .50 BMG service rifle is that you might lose a lot of the power by making it short barreled or you might have a really long weapon that can get a little clunky.

Then again, you're very hard to kill so maybe you don't need a rifle to be ultra low drag indoors, just enough to not be completely unusable in tight corridors. For all those situations, you can just smack a bitch with your armored gloves or pull out a knife (sword?) and shank them.

>>33797210
>>33797276

What if it was used like a mortar platform? Maybe to haul around 4 mortars or so on its back, fire off a few rounds and relocate quickly. Rinse and repeat.

>>33798991
Aren't there people roaming around with these in favelas

God I wonder how badly it'd suck to be using power armor. Shit looks like it gets hotter than a mascot suit, even with cooling systems.

>>33798165
>irreprehensible K E K S
Nano ceramics son.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnUszxx2pYc

>>33799080

I don't think it would be too awful. If it could be managed, maybe filling the suit bellow the neck up with water would be helpful, but you'd likely look like a raisin.

>>33799080
And remember you are going to stick out like a sore thumb, so if someone opens up on your team, you are the one getting hit first so your armor better do it's fucking job.

>>33797435
>>33798727

Fuck that, we're gonna have guided missiles the go "reeeeeeee" as they fly through the air.

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>>33798232

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>>33795767
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_exoskeleton
things are speeding up for this
even homeostasis is good enough for control
>>33795826
def this just remove the disconnecter
the m82 is light compared to most bolt action .50 cal
trouble is the recoil would add up at anything like 120 rounds per minute

>>33797701
high low propulsion system has some good recoil reduction

The power armor guy would be the ATGM carrier or one-man heavy machinegun

>>33797691
Aluminum Oxynitride, anon, not aluminum oxide. Aluminum oxide is basically aluminum powder.

>>33795767
An assault rifle, by definition, cannot fire .50 BMG, power armor or otherwise. What you're talking about is an entirely different class of weapon.

>>33799431
>Aluminum oxide is basically aluminum powder.
(You)

>>33799450
>An assault rifle, by definition, cannot fire .50 BMG, power armor or otherwise. What you're talking about is an entirely different class of weapon.

Definitions have always shifted based on the availability of new capabilities. It's realistic to assume that even hand portable fast firing direct energy weapons might be called "assault rifles" in due time, even if they are not rifled nor do they fire an intermediate cartridge.

>>33797537
remove wortwortwort

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>>33799450
assault cannon

Riflemen get 6.5mm ARs.
Designated Marksmen get .338 LM.
Grenadiers get an AGL.
Automatic Riflemen get an M2.

If this fails, everyone gets a high velocity 25mm grenade launcher or something.

>>33795767
In theory if tech is good enough to produce power armor, then we would be able to mass produce small-arms HEAT ammo. We did math on this couple weeks back with 9mm thanks to a funny typo, i'll expand the listing a bit.

>In general, very early HEAT rounds could expect to penetrate armor of 150% to 250% of their diameters, and these numbers were typical of early weapons used during World War II.
>Since then, the penetration of HEAT rounds relative to projectile diameters has steadily increased as a result of improved liner material and metal jet performance. Some modern examples claim numbers as high as 700%.

Mind you these are all in thoery and depend on various different factors and materials. They would also be a lot of "Pin Holes" but when trying to disable "power Armor" this could be best way at disabling components.

9mm: 13.5mm - 63mm
.45: 17.25mm - 80.5mm
5.56: 8.34mm - 38.92mm
6.5: 9.75mm - 45.5mm
.308: 11.43mm - 53.34mm
.50: 19.05mm - 88.9mm
20mm: 30mm - 140mm

What also needs to be thought of is that is production capability is high enough to make power armor then in theory the effectiveness of HEAT rounds via metals/design could also further improve penetration capability.

>>33799527
>In theory if tech is good enough to produce power armor, then we would be able to mass produce small-arms HEAT ammo. We did math on this couple weeks back with 9mm thanks to a funny typo, i'll expand the listing a bit.
I'm not sure HEAT scales to small sizes flawlessly. HEAT is pretty bad against the newest nano ceramics supposedly they don't even shatter anymore.

>>33798350
It's a old surplus military model or civilian loader converted for combat. I'm sure that the actual military in the Avatarverse has much better armored, camera-vision-based AMPs.

>>33797691
According to the wiki, ALON is less than half the average density of steel plates. 1.6 inches are needed to stop .50 BMG as opposed to 1 inch of steel (which will stop AP), so its about 75% of the weight for the same effective protection? Seems pretty good for an armor material but I wonder if it could be made better if it doesn't have to be transparent.

>>33797589
Latency is a bitch. Even .2 seconds starts to add up when it's for every data transfer. Plus if controlled remotely those would be useless for bunkers or tunnels where they would likely be deployed. Also EMP.

>>33800082
Transparency is invaluable for a faceplate in terms of both sight and the humanization of our soldiers.

>>33795767
In a mech, you're gonna have to have one hell of a power plant anyway so a firearm is just unnecessary. Use a railgun and be done with it. This would also reduce weight and cost per round as it eliminates the casing and powder.

>>33798825
>300 fucking years later
>we still couldn't come up with a better cartridge than real fuckin nato

>>33800222
>humanization
Stop with this meme. If the big scary masked guy gives you food that's good enough for most hungry people. Big scary masked people can also be very charming if they do cute poses every now and then.

>>33800178
It would be utterly useless if the entrance to the enemy bunker is a LADDER. That is far more of a problem than keeping a stable connection and preventing it from being hijacked.

>>33800234
He said powered armor, not mechs.

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I once drew this as a sort of "assault armor"

Not agile but can face tank .50 BMG and slug it out with an M2 mounted on its arm himself

Bayonet on crew-served weapon for bronus balls

>>33800082
>According to the wiki, ALON is less than half the average density of steel plates. 1.6 inches are needed to stop .50 BMG as opposed to 1 inch of steel (which will stop AP), so its about 75% of the weight for the same effective protection? Seems pretty good for an armor material but I wonder if it could be made better if it doesn't have to be transparent.
I found a rheinmetall armor brochure a while ago, they were quoting 5x mass reduction vs RHA on their newest nano ceramic armor. They also offered special nitrogen steel that was around 2x traditional RHA and some titanium-aluminium alloy that was 2.8x

From what I could tell the only reason it isn't everywhere was cost. The ceramics are not easy to make.. An exosuit with the latest armor would likely be absurdly durable. Same with a MBT I don't think the western MBTs armor has much advantage over RHA per KG when facing AP, if you built a new tank around these materials it would either be really light or near impossible to penetrate with existing AT weapons.

>>33797935
>>33797946
the HIWS makes me so fucking hard

>>33795767
>If power armor ever became viable
Never ever with FEDOR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJn9UgADcPY
>>33795767
>how would one go about making a .50 BMG (12.7×99mm) "Assault Rifle"?
full calibre .50 is not needed, just go for the ASH 12.7

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>>33800525
I like the Machinen Kreiger aesthetic to it.

>>33798018

Don't ever finger fuck me, or my son again.

>>33799032
Because bullpups are fyoochuristick

>>33798991
I'm fairly sure those are 7.62x51 not 50cal.

>>33798998
>Using straight walled 5.56 would double the capacity of a 30 round STANAG
What the hell are you talking about? The difference between the diameter of the rim and the shoulder is only about 1 mm.

>>33799080
I'm fairly sure it would be just fine with a proper ventilation system.

>>33799080
>>33801463
>AceVentura.webm

>>33801226
DOOM really puts into perspective how resilient demons are, considering it takes multiple rounds to kill even an Imp.

>>33795767
US already has power armor and incredibly advanced weaponry, just black project though so we wont hear about it until like 25-30 years from now

>>33800222
>4) My Legions of Terror will wear helmets with transparent facemasks

>>33795767

If you can have power armor you have to go all the way with 20mm semiauto cannons for a fireteam of 5 soldiers.

>>33797464
Blyat what I wouldn't give for a 4 gauge.

>>33797323
>climb stairs

I'm guessing that a power armor is not going to be light, and more if we are planning to use heavy ordnance, so you should expect that something that weights as much of a car is putting all that pressure in just two points.

Its the whole mech debate all over again.

>>33797691
> level V armor

DEUS VULT

>>33801490
Not really, given that a ratty-ass double barrel shotgun that looks like it's from the 1800s blows them to pieces as long as you get within 5 yards.

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>>33795767

A very interesting thing that power armor brings to the table is not the ability to use bigger weapons by having specialized systems that handle the recoil but rather the fact that you are carrying a big power source with you at all times that you can use to power other tools that might be more important than your actual weapon or give you the ability to use it externally to the power armor.

For example; nuclear submarines are known to be connected to the power grid in case of shortages in the cities and they can do it for hours.

So this can give you; radio, lights, sensors, heat, the ability to power other equipment(drones)... and all through a unified power source which simplifies logistics.

Now, another interesting part is that there will be a big difference between rich and poor countries. Rich countries might be able to afford bigger power armors with bigger generators and more equipment since they don't suffer as much from logistics while poorer countries might have to consider more distributed ways of getting power like solar panels and wind power and of course, theirs would be smaller which would bring an interesting gap in case of combat and give more importance for the poorer countries to focus more on enemy logistics and anti-power armor systems while keeping their own forces as mobile and unlocaliced as possible to avoid the huge force gap that would result.

In conclusion, the standardized use of power armor in the world would be a revolution of epic proportions, not just a way to carry more shit around.

>>33798499
And lost so hard they resorted to nuke spam

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Instead of HMGs give them XM25s or something that uses its air-bursting grenades.

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>>33797691
Isn't transparent aluminum what the windows are made of in star trek?

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>>33798651

>>33802566
>hungry
>that smug look

>>33795767

Why not just go full Terminator Armor and integrate the weapon systems?

>>33802566
The only time I remember them mentioning the windows is in First Contact, and he says they're force fields.

>>33802859
I don't think that's smugness. Looks more like tired resignation.

>>33802566
How does someones children starve when they have enough food to make themselves so fat that their upper arms rolls look like sleeves?

>>33802988
that's the point. She's selfish, doesn't want to work and wants the whyte mayne to give her mo money fo dem programz

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>>33801226
Why would you design a missile launcher so that all the missiles have to lift up out of the protective case instead of simply having the front lid flip open?

>>33803023
So that it blows your hand off if it malfunctions

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>>33802566
Negros have never and will never contribute to Western/European civilization. They are a ball and chain holding us back from our galactic manifest destiny.

Sending them back to Africa is the most practical and moral thing to do. They're a hostile and alienated people because they are in fact aliens in our society. It's the right thing to do. Both blacks and whites will be better off when we're separated and living with our own kind. It's much easier to get along with a neighbor than a roommate. Segregation objectively works.

1000 years from now, we can have colonies in Alpha Centauri or we can have race riots and welfare and like we have today. This will never stop. We can only choose one future.

>>33798783
>not blasting X Gonna Give it to Ya

It's like you aren't even trying

>>33795767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WfMJAMXaXU

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>>33798998
>>33801440

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South Africa has been planning for this future.

>>33798350
They ARE warehouse suits, they've just been kitted out ISIS style with jury-rigged weapons

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>>33803214
>we wuz space explorers n shit
okay, /pol/

Just shorten the barrel of the M107 and give it stendo

or just scale up the design of your assault rifle of choice for .50. The SCAR would work well.

>>33798104
god that anime gave me a ridiculous boner for future tech

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>>33795767

we pretty much did

>>33795788
if .50 can kill power armor users it's pointless regular infantry will take them out faster than they can blink for fraction of the price.

>>33799855
HEAT is bad against composite armor, which just about everyone uses.

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>>33795767
>not posting superior state of the art t51
Ad very not Victoriam.

>>33801860
So as long as the building was designed to handle furniture that is heavier than a human, I think there won't be much of a problem. If you can lift a piano up to a room, then the entire floor generally has to be rated for piano, and those things can get pretty heavy.

Even if you can't go all the way to rating the entire body against .50 BMG it's still a massive improvement to survivability if you can cover a person with ye old rifle plates and can allow for more aggressive tactics which end the fight faster (so you get shot at less anyway). Here it is really the whole "medieval full plate armor" thing all over again.

>>33805052
Oh so a .22 mag then

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>>33798991

BIG SHOOTA WAAAAARRRGGGHHH

>>33801440
He's referring to a study called "enhanced propellant and alternative cartridge case designs". It's vaporware.

>>33805751
If helicopters can be taken out by Rocket launchers then they are pointless! Regular infantry will just take them out.

>>33807019
It was literally C4 propelled projectiles. You'd need to make the rifle heavy as fuck to contain the high explosive you're using as propellant. Even if it was approved, we'd never get to use it since it uses HE.

>>33797537
remove prawn

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>>33805406
>>33797537

Seth Afreeka already has to deal with this kind of problem

>>33797828
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6P62
I still don't understand what they were thinking.

What was the hell was this ever going to be useful for?

>>33808724
No one knows. It is meant to be lightweight and used with a 14 round magazine but that completely defeats the purpose of being a machinegun.

The older Kord in the lightest configuration can be fired unassisted from the hip just fine, even if it is almost twice the weight of the 6P62. It would be a better match for a bare exoskeleton or full powered armor if you wanted to use an anti-mat caliber.

>>33800234
> You're going to need a ridiculous power supply to move
> Lets increase the demands on that by drawing huge amounts of power for an unnecessarily powerful weapon

Railguns also require new rails, huge capacitors, time to charge, and tungsten rounds. All for performance that is completely wasted on an infantryman.

Like suggesting we give them tank cannons.

>>33799032
Because using a full length rifle makes CQB/MOUT a bitch when using non-intermediate rounds. The one in the picture is 7.62 RFN, and people are talking about .50s. You wanna carry a full length .50 in a building?

>>33807168
Dubious. Non-pdf source?

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>>33798208
At least post a design that can't be taken out by pointy sticks.

>>33795767
Why use gas operated rifles in the first place?Fully automatic railguns would be better if the power armor in question is a heavy type since it can support the weight for the sheilding and the nuclear reactor to power the weapon.

>>33809868
Because an infantry level railgun is far, far further off than a practical exoskeleton. Let alone a full auto one.

Railguns are very wasteful power wise, even advanced future batteries will have a hard time getting a high enough specific energy to make up for the losses relative to chemically propelled weapons. And carrying around a fucking nuclear reactor to replace the batteries is idiotic.

They work on ships because the power is already available, economies of scale exist and you actually need/can use something that powerful.

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>>33810744
A design that is only armed with a pointy stick is almost as stupid.

>>33810752

>doesn't notice the weapons attached to the arms and sword

>>33810744
I thought the bigger one was a Knight at first, but according to some image filenames I'm seeing these are actually oversized Dreadnoughts belonging to the Custodes. What gives?

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*blocks your path*

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>>33795767
already done

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>>33810812
12.7x55

>>33810758
Does the little one have have guns on the arms?

Because Gun-Swords are also fucking stupid. But I'm sure there'll be some bullshit in-universe handwavium to explain away the tiny barrel, the retarded grip (you have to point it like a fucking wand to fire), the inability to support it properly with both hands without shooting your own fingers, and the fact you could fit a more practical magazine fed weapon from the same universe in that amount of space.

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>>33810818

>>33810830
For a minute, I thought the suppressed rifle was some funky underbarrel attachment for the rifle behind it. I'm mildly disappointed it's not.

>>33810799
Individual radio, body armor and helmet, assistive exoskeleton, high-ish capacity magazine fed intermediate cartridge carbine length rifle. Pack full of crap and shitty boots.

Hell, if you described a modern/near future soldier to someone from 75-100 years ago and asked them to draw it, this is exactly what you'd get. This is almost prophetic.

>Turns out to just be a modern picture done in an old style.

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>>33810824
don't be stupid

>>33810824
The four barrels on the sword are there so that it can shoot secondary opponents while swinging it at the primary target. It is a universe where the elites of any faction are expected to face off against dozens of regular troops at a time and win, after all.

Also the core unit of both models has twin shoulder weapons of some sort.

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>>33798612
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6P62

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I've always liked termies

especially from the fluff perspective about how it's basically just on the threshold between a worn armor and a piloted vehicle.

People have done some pretty damn impressive costumes too (if you google a bit, there's plenty more like this picture) and you think about if they basically did something similar with metal and some movement servos and hydraulics instead of cardboard and styrofoam, it would provide a good degree of protection, be able to move (it's not like exoskeletons are in the realm of science and fiction; there have been plenty of functional experiments and working prototypes).

And even without getting into the really fluffy stuff, having a big dude who can carry the same kinds of weapons that would typically require a vehicle or a squad to carry into battle (e.g. an autocannon (assault cannon) or a shitload of rockets (cyclone launcher) or hell even an automatic grenade launcher (storm bolter)) show up where the enemy did not anticipate any such force being fielded would be pretty damn effective as a tactic.

Also against lower-tech forces without heavy enough ordinance (you would probably need something vehicle mounted, I would imagine most man-portable launchers would not be very effective, as they are certainly smaller and more agile targets than vehicles, also they're pretty heavily armored, so short of a direct hit with a recoiless rifle, most explosive-based launchers would probably not do it in one direct hit, and the armor would also make them pretty resistant to shrapnel and air blast of indirect hits) to harm a termie, so they could even be used as force projection in the same way as vehicles in those situations. (You can get 2 termies out there faster than you can get 2 tanks out there, and the termies have a bit more dynamic utility compared to the tank)

>>33810812
>>33810830
These are only .50 rifles in the same way .50 Beowulf is .50. They fire 12.7×55mm, a subsonic, renecked .338 Lapua, not 12.7×108mm or 12.7×99mm NATO.

>>33810873
The Assault Cannon is a gatling gun firing relatively conventional anti materiel rounds, not the actual Autocannon which is considered outdated technology and really only used by Traitor marines.

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>>33800667

>>33795767
Back in the day, there was a meme which I since lost.

Somebody used a pimp my gun type site to build an M249 in the form factor of a p90. Called it something like .50BMG PDW.

>>33810922
>M249
M82, sorry.

>>33798026
I want that

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>>33810891
Well first of all; I was equating the 40k weapons to closest real world modern equivalents.

Secondly, I know what you mean about the csm autocannon, but I thought IG uses autocannons too?

And I'm somewhat fuzzy on this bit; but I think I read something about this somewhere

aren't "modern" autocannons in 40k more like conventional standard munitions? (as in IRL autocannons are typically characterized by explosive ordinance, but in 40k because the technology was lost or whatever that their autocannons are NOT using explosive shells?)

>>33810859
That is not a gun sword. That is at least somewhat practical because its essentially the same form factor as a rifle with a bayonet on it.

Why you wouldn't keep a full length rifle (which exist in universe), and balance it and en-blade-n it for melee combat is beyond me though.

>>33810865
>The four barrels on the sword are there so that it can shoot secondary opponents while swinging it at the primary target
>while swinging it at the primary target
>while swinging it

Bullshit. You need to somehow aim the shot while also participating in melee combat, meaning you have to somehow get both attacks to perfectly coincide with where your enemies are, even if you could aim the fucking thing while doing that and you need the recoil to not throw off your attack.

Only in-universe handwavium makes that possible as I said.

>Also the core unit of both models has twin shoulder weapons of some sort.

At least thats...kinda useful. Though why would you put it where it has the least traverse (does it even traverse or is it static?) and obscures your vision when it fires?

40k is powered by rule of cool. That's fine but it also means you can't really compare it or discuss it outside of its own universe.

>>33810933
I was referring to the handheld Autocannon for the Marines, which is old tech. But yes the IG still makes use of mounted or static emplacements with good old ACs. I don't recall them having any real problem with reproducing different ammo for ACs considering what kind of bolt rounds they can manufacture. It's probably more of a logistics issue.

>>33810960

>Bullshit. You need to somehow aim the shot while also participating in melee combat, meaning you have to somehow get both attacks to perfectly coincide with where your enemies are
Do you not know what a Space Marine is? Do you not know what a Custodes is to a Space Marine?

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>>33810960
Space Marines are super spechul mary sues that could probably aim a weapon on a sword mid-swing without much difficulty.
Custodes are SUPER-SUPER speschul snowflakes that make normal Space Marines look like normal dudes with armor on.

Doesn't make it any less retarded though.

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>>33811005
>Do you not know what a Space Marine is? Do you not know what a Custodes is to a Space Marine?

Bullshit Handwavium is what.

Just because in Equilibrium, gun fights are mathematically predictable and Clerics are badass, unstoppable killing machines doesn't mean gun-fu works in real life or in any other universe.

Central conceit of the thread is "Powered Armor Exists" not "Powered Armor Exists, Physics runs on Rule of Cool, Genetic Engineering is Magic and Technology is Anachronistic because Humanity can only build whats in LosTech blueprints"

>>33811080
>>33811082
Actually I just read through the Lexicanum now, the gunblade that the dreadnought is carrying is actually a FLAMERblade, so it is not like it has to aim very precisely while attacking.

>>33810865
No, they're there so that they can have a power weapon and shoot and hold a storm shield all at the same time. Stop fluff-wanking.

>>33801226
>how you want your backblast?
>just fuck my face up

>>33811195
Nigga punches demons with fire for blood to death 24/7, I don't think backblast is a concern.

>>33810120
>And carrying around a fucking nuclear reactor to replace the batteries is idiotic.
Why?The power armor would use artificial muscles made of carbon natotubes.If we take the minimal estimate that it can wield 200 times its body weight without causing too much limitations then it should work.lets say the weight is around 300 kg empty so there needs to be a human width worth of shielding in lead +armor having a weight of lets say ~10 tonnes.adding the reactor,the munition and the spare rails the weight should be around 20-25 tonnes.Only problem would be ground pressure.

>>33811514
>25 tonnes
Are you genuinely retarded mate

>>33797935
>>33797946
What can this do that a 84mm carl gustav can't do better?

>>33797611

Her knees fucking broken

>>33811731
>What can this do that a 84mm carl gustav can't do better?

I'm curious about this also. AFAICS, the advantages are that it can be fired in confined spaces natively and with all ammunition types, there is no backblast, and it doesn't make the sacrifices a recoiless rifle does.

However it is telling that it has never been adopted - recoiless rifles work well enough, countermass and/or confined space ammunition for the CG exists now and the CG won't knock you on your ass.

>>33798998
>Using straight walled 5.56
LITERALLY 22 magnum

>>33799080

You would hate it.

I seriously think you would hate it, since the Military manages to make everything unfun, including going to the range.

You would probably have to fill out a form for it all the time when returning, probably clean it and shit cause lel Armory, do you excpect us to do that for you?

Hell, generally it would be probably a whoe new way for the Armory to make your life hell.

>>33795767
maybe the comanders or one guy coould wear it and carry all the extra shit and a heavy weapon he could be ether point man or rear

>>33799097
Trench foot over your entire body.

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>>33811891
>since the Military manages to make everything unfun

THIS

I don't know how they did it but the Army turned be from a gun nut into someone that can barely stand holding any weapon bigger than a pistol. Much less actually wanting to go to a range and shoot shit.

I still have 249 PTSD, what a hulking dumpsterfire excuse of a "weapon" why couldn't I be a 240 gunner

>>33811891
This to a fucking "T"! A lot of shit I thought was cool is now boring thanks to the military, I don't even look forward to field exercises and shit because of all the bullshit policing of brass and other dumb shit.

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>>33795767
X-01 with jetpack would be unstoppable

>>33803023
because from the perspective of the player using it, that would not be visually interesting. if you have a rack that pops up like that, it is much easier to see and therefore understand what that part of the gun is doing.
it's designed for entertainment, so you gotta make sure it's entertaining.

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>>33795767

>>33813426
It is not just for entertainment, it's for user feedback. Having it move upwards lets them know that the rocket firing mode is engaged. A realistically practical set of flip doors on the front would not convey the same information as clearly.

>>33802095
Confirmed how fallout series started
>Butthurt chinks unable to get through power armour or make their own resorted to nuking everything.

>>33813316
Nice to see the brotherhood's finally phased out that shitty T-60 power armour, but that's a strange looking flag, differen't from their usual one.

>>33806387
>t51 is better than t60

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>>33813477
ANTI MECHANIZATION WEAPON

The most Diesel punk of the forgotten weapons.

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>>33814136
ok my fallout fanboy is going to stick out here, but hes right. T51 is the most protective and durable of power armors, enclave armor included. Lore wise anyways, game mechanics may vary. T60 is just suped up t45a armor, it has higher strength capabilities and is much more mobile, but thats about it.

>>33814201
I'm guessing most of your fallout experience came from Fallout 3. In that sense, yes t51 was the best gameplay wise (excluding hellfire armor, which was DLC content). Although lore wise, the first iteration of enclave armor from fallout 2 (or the x-01 in fallout 4) takes the cake for best armor.

>>33800222
>humanization

Look, the kinds of people that would be affected by humanization aren't the kind of people to go to war with you.

Riot police are the only people really to benefit from humanization, your soldiers would probably be better off with the fear factor of a "scary" face.

>>33814383
If you are incredibly ugly you might as well just wear a cool robot face. Everybody loves cool robot faces and it can be more relatable than a tired human mug.

>>33795767
wouldnt a HE grenade take out the operator of the armor. the armor would protect against frags and small arms fire, put the shock wave could kill him right??

>>33810744
It bothers me so much that the left one's shoulder joints are in line with his eyes, what happened to that man's neck?

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Its simple


>50.cal sized HEAT rounds

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Anyone made a suit of armor out of armor plates?

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>>33795808

Underrated

>>33817095
>stinger

You realize that the Stinger is an M1919 not an M2, right?

It was awesome at the time, but you'd have essentially the same advantages with a M240 set to its maximum rate of fire, and have a better balanced, lighter rifle doing so.

The .338 LWMMG would be even better.

.50 SLAP rounds would be great against power armor. Hope y'all have a good anti-spalling layer.

>>33807030
That is a poor analogy friendo.

>>33811787
>uhhhhhhh did you forget ankles have a range of rotation there my dude

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>>33820500
my dude, not THAT much rotation.
look at her fucking knees and then her ankles.
then try pretzel twisting your legs until they do the same.

that anon is right, its a major anatomical fuck up.

>>33795767
Consider you could also use stronger explosives to propel the bullet and use bullets made of stronger material like Cobalt.

>>33798825
That is the world's shortest 25 round real fucking nato mag

Seriously those cunts are fucking yuuge irl

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>>33820527
maybe it's like a casket mag dealio

>>33802948
Transparent Aluminum is from The Journey Home, they use it to make an aquarium for the whales.

It's part of that whole infamous "Hello, Computer" pack of scenes

>>33803023
To bring them further in line with the sight axis? *shrug*

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>>33798350
this tbqh

look how tiny the screens are on a fairly logical small mech design like a Jenner from MWO

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>>33820513
You asked for this

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>>33795767
>not .75 rifle
Shame

>>33820617

That a Bruce variant, or Caitlyn?

>>33820617
The Jenner towers over the AMP, what the hell are you smoking? The cockpit sizes are very close together in size.

>>33810960
The Custodian Dreadnought has Flamethrowers on the sword.

>>33820700
Sarah

>>33816524
He possibly doesn't have it anymore. Dreadnoughts are occupied by the barely alive remains of their occupants, usually lacking most organs and limbs when interred.

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>>33820680
okay

now do this

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>>33806387
>BoS

lol kys yourself you trash hoarding loser.

Enclave is where it's at.

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>>33820720
The AMP screen wraps way up and over the pilot, around the sides and down quite far

Look at a jenner interior shot. Doesn't wrap overhead, has maybe half the glass area.

>>33820787
there's a certain point where a grown ass man can only copy cartoon girls in his underwear while pointing a camera at his dick so much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The pose is goofy but I don't think it's physically impossible or even that difficult. But with the way I have to balance I can't do it and take a photo.

>>33814201
>Brotherhood
>Democratic

Wew lad

>>33820838
buddy, her shin is literally pointing at a 90 degree angle away from where her knee is pointing.

>>33820746
>The Custodian Dreadnought has Flamethrowers on the sword.

That does make a whole lot more sense. But it still doesn't make it practical out-of-universe. You'd ruin the temper of your sword, if not wreck the blade completely using it.

That, the fact that using a sword is suicidal modern combat and no flamethrower could be that small and still be useful.

Again, I'm not against 40k and its rule of cool, but the thread is about "If Power Armor", not "If 40k".

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Do exoskeletons count as power armor? They'd be dope as fuck to wear although all those tubes might make things bit of a burden.

>>33820841
>game and controller cost more than the system it's played on

I wonder why that game didn't sell better.

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>>33814374
How does pic related compare to the advanced power armor mark 1?

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>>33820871
its bigger than the 7ft superhuman

>>33820896
Right so its not even power armor. Its a mech.

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>>33821014
Yeah

Technically it's a sarcophagus with legs and guns/arms

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>>33795808
>not using a gau19

>>33820818
The interior cockpit models of MWO are not to scale with the actual vehicles. That said, the mechs are still a lot larger than Avatar's, so the overall window size isn't going to be that different.

The coverage is very bad on the AMP yes, but it was never meant for combat so that's not really a black mark against it. Generally you would want an armored cockpit and camera based vision systems always anyway; it just so happens that cockpit windows are a defining aesthetic of the Battletech universe that makes it unique and they will never stray from it.

>>33820871
It's a power sword, so there is no risk of any of the flammable liquid sticking to the blade. It will be heat transfer through air convection only so it should be fine.

>>33821043
The GAU19 is a metre and a half long. Good luck with doorways.

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Why arent you guys discussing real power suits?
https://youtu.be/2iZ0WuNvHr8

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>>33822407
Megabots gonna kick its ass

>>33822407
Because thats a mech?

Power Armor 101: Power Armor you wear. Mechs you Pilot.

>>33820841
This and Jet Set Radio Future are the only reason why I still own an Xbox.

>>33822407
>>33822412
>>33822418
They're not mechs because they can't walk nor use those limbs for anything meaningful. They are glorified pods on wheels.

>>33805429
NASA's funding was rekt by the afrocentric Jewish led communists desire to share wealth with "the poor starving blacks! "

180 billion dollars later, blacks are still black and all we gave to show for it is a cancelled Mars exploration program.

>>33820152
How is that a poor analogy? Seems spot on to me. Power armor would rek infantry and armor because of it's armor, maneuverability, and ability to carry heavy arms, but it could be easily defeated with .50 BMG(probably)

>>33820843
BoS are technoraiders that pillaged the property of the US government after the bombs.

>>33822221
Why bother with a doorways when you can penetrate entire building?

>>33822778
>Why not just nuke everyone!1!

Because civilian casualties cause problems, sometimes there stuff in buildings you want, and its wasteful.

>>33798350
>questioning based Cameron

>>33810858
You forgot the powered lobster claw.

>>33803023
Thats just the mag of missiles you retard, they're fed into the center of the gun before being fired out of that GIGANTIC FUCKING 40MM VAGINA

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>>33810891
>not the actual Autocannon which is considered outdated technology and really only used by Traitor marines.
Not anymore.

>>33797611
>>33811787
>>33820500
>>33820513
>>33820680
>>33820787
>>33820838
>>33820848

This is one of the stupidest discussions I've seen in /k/, but I can't help it. Her leg is distorted as fuck, it's badly drawn goddamnit, stop saying it isn't, you blind motherfucker.

>>33823917
>claims the autocannon isn't outdated anymore
>posts a model set based in the hours heresy as proof
>set based 10k years before the current timeline
>not outdated
kek

>>33797701

A semi/burst 25mm grenade launcher would be a pretty choice load out.

We bolter now

>>33798350
They were mining loaders that Quatarch took for his militas use

>>33807019
>>33807168
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSAT_caseless_ammunition

huh

>>33795767
With a BOZAR dumbass

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>>33824022
What does it say in the bottom right?

>>33804683
>x gonna give it to you
Patrician taste friend
Considered it, but wouldnt make sense unless your suits all have X designations

>>33802045
The process you describe has already occured in alot of real places in our presnt time, simply due to the use of things like precision guided munitons, and the already extant technological disparity between actual combined arms forces and insurgencies. Just sayin, your ideas cool.

>>33802566
Only internal windows, or things like fishtanks.
>Whale
>Fish
I know, I know.

Also, Transparent Aluminum is a real thing, but it's not a practical thing.

>>33803214
Fuck off /pol/ack

>>33806504
It's just "WAAAGH"

You can't even spell ORK words? Emperor protect...

>>33825185
The game universe and brand as a whole is called Warhammer 40k, but it says in big letters Horus Heresy next to it which took place in the year 30k, 10k years before the main setting of WH40k. Which is when we're claiming auto cannons are outdated. If anything it ads more credence to the claim that they're only used by traitor marines in the current time setting as many traitor legions still field weapons and equipment from the Horus Heresy Time period of 10k years prior.

>>33820875
Only if the exoskeleton is *ARMORED*

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>>33825514
>This unit may select a Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader or land raider Redeemer as a Dedicated Transport.
>And They Shall know No fear
>Chapter Tactics
>30k
Please, tell me more about things you know nothing about.
>but just in case you want to double down on your stupidity,
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Tartaros-Terminators
>This kit can be used as a standard Terminator Squad in games of Warhammer 40,000

>>33795767
Hey who knows, maybe by the time we have power armor, technological advances will allow us to make rounds as powerful as .50 BMG, but only the size of .30-06

Or maybe gunpowder will be obsolete by then. Or kinetic weaponry if you want to be optimistic

>>33825593
Just because you can use a set of Horus Heresy era models in a 40k game doesn't mean the auto cannon isn't outdated. I can take a pilum and gladius on my next hunting trip instead of my .308 and .357 but that doesn't mean they are still contemporary weapons for the present day. If there's a non Horus Heresy era set that has an auto cannon I'd believe you.

>>33822442
baby steps anon baby steps
if this competition gets picked up then we might see a very competitive very steep innovation shortly.

>>33825628
>Just because you can use a set of Horus Heresy era models in a 40k game doesn't mean the auto cannon isn't outdated.
>>33810891
>really only used by Traitor marines
Goalpost status: moved
> I can take a pilum and gladius on my next hunting trip instead of my .308 and .357 but that doesn't mean they are still contemporary weapons for the present day.
Are you forgetting about the little thing known as the "Dark Age of Technology?" You would damn well go hunting with ancient weapons if they made volkite cavaliers seem quaint.
>If there's a non Horus Heresy era set that has an auto cannon I'd believe you.
Every pattern of powered armor except for mark 8, all terminator armor designs, bolters, lascannons, land speeders, plasma weapons, grav-weapons, and conversion beamers all date back to the Horus Heresy or even further. You're going to need a better argument than "it's old" as to why a weapon system is outdated in 40k, when the modern weaponry tends to cheaper and less advanced versions of its predecessors. Hell, humanity has practically forgotten how to build some of its best toys, like the jetbike.

>>33825870
>>Just because you can use a set of Horus Heresy era models in a 40k game doesn't mean the auto cannon isn't outdated.

I have no idea what you're trying to say

>>33825920
>I have no idea what you're trying to say
That you're wrong, and your logic is unfounded.

>>33825998
Maybe start over and put it into proper words without referring to 40k so I can understand?

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>>33800222

Checked, but a good pr campaign can do wonders for humanizing your soldiers.

>>33826024
Maybe try leaning about subjects before trying to have a debate over them?

>>33826060
I never talked about 40k. The thread is not specifically about 40k and I'm still unclear on what your argument was. You're not very efficient, anon.

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>>33795767
Maybe they could just redesign a M2 Browning?
Also here have a cool picture of a space marine and his rifle. They were also 12.7mm

>>33826092

Not >>33826060 this asshole but I'll give you the rundown

Pretty much guy 1 mention a particular weapon (the auto cannon) being good. Someone else responded saying the weapon was outdated according to the lore. In an attempt to prove that the weapon wasn't outdated according to the lore, guy 1 posted a picture of a model set where the weapon is featured. Except this particular model set is from a specific product line of models set 10k years prior to the rest of the lore and weapons in the setting. Guy one gets called out on the only evidence he posted being from a model kit set specifically in the past, and is now backtracking and shifting goalposts in a butt hurt fury.

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>>33826327
Thanks friend

I had some idea what the Horus Heresy was, I only know the very basic fluff of WH40K, but it looks like his response to my original post is out of place and unrelated to what I was saying

>>33826327
>particular model set is from a specific product line of models set 10k years prior
Are you really this stupid? It has fucking rules for use in 40k. Every single item in the imperial arsenal is based on, at the minimum, 10k year old designs, except for the latest iteration of powered armor and a few vehicle, and a few vehicle variants. Much of the terminator armor you see,many of those sets of artificer armor, several vehicles, and even a few goddamned characters are Horus Heresy left-overs.

But lets go further into which models still those "outdated" autocannons,
Imperial Guard - Infantry heavy weapons platoons, sentinels, salamanders, leman russ exterminator, Taurox Prime, hydra Flak Tank, Macharius Omega heavy tank, baneblade super-heavy tank
Space marines - tartarus terminator squads, predator main battle tanks, leman russ exterminator (used by space wolves), Dreadnoughts (Deredeo Pattern, Mortis Dreadnought, and Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnoughts)
Imperial navy - lightning fighters, thunderbolt heavy fighters, marauder fighter-bombers, Aquilla Lander, Arvus Lighter, Avenger Strike Fighter
Admech - Skitarii, Onager Dunecrawler (icarus array), Ironstrider Ballistarii
Imperial knights - carapace mounted Icarus Autocannons

>>33826904
and the fire raptor gunship and hellfire dreadnought for space marines

>>33826685
No problem friendo.

>>33826904
oh, and the vulture gunship for the imperial guard too

>>33826904
>Are you really this stupid? It has fucking rules for use in 40k.
Of course it has rules for use in 40k, we've already established that traitor legions use lots of outdated Heresy era gear in the 41st millennium.

>>33827084
cute, but you're still wrong

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>>33800525
it best be the case that your son or daughter drew this