Lets talk pacific theater, /k/. Why was every battle such a

>>33784721
>Japanese commanders.
>good.
The only thing they were good at was dying.

>>33784721
http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/a/Casualties.htm

>>33784721
What happened to the guy in OP's pic? Did he fist too deep?

>>33784739
This

I still don't understand the whole Japanese navy and army having a rivalry thing. I heard it was actual animosity and not just the friendly stuff you see in other nations

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>>33784721
>>33784739
The Japanese focused almost entirely on tactics instead of logistics (of both sides) and there was more "honor" to be found in being wiped out trying to complete your mission than strategically retreating.
That's pretty much why Japan lost in a nutshell.

>>33784800
it's the same deal with the muhreens and the army. one thinks it's dick is better than the others and starts a pissing match.

story behind OP's pic btw?

>>33784721
Imagine what happens when you've got to storm a fortress that your highly motivated enemy has spent years turning into a hellish nightmare. An enemy that can't retreat, won't surrender, and has no qualms about breaking the laws of war until every last one of them is dead.

Remember: they had guerrillas retreat into the mountains for decades. That one soldier didn't come out until the 70's, and only because they found his old CO to convince him the war was over.

>>33784800
The same was true in Germany between their armed forces in the war. In both countries, it was probably mostly due to competition over limited resources.

>>33784800
The country was actually run by the military.

Service branch rivalry meant fighting over who would rule Japan.

>>33784721
>japanese
>good

The Japanese Army got the Russo-Japanese War even before WW1 to learn that Banzai Charges don't work, still cling to it even when they out-humanwaved the Russian and paid the price.

>>33784721
They wouldn't surrender. They fought to the death.

Look up the European battles, entire battalions surrendered when their commanders knew it was hopeless. The Japanese wouldn't. They'd have to frag and flamethrower their hideyholes or BANZAI!

They weren't good, they were stubborn. Or maybe both, a worthy adversary, but still the inferior.

A main part of it was how goddammit fiercely fanatical the Japanese were. In their mind, their orders came from God. A living God. Tojo.
They make jihadists look like girl scouts.

For example, if you engaged a German element, and they suffered a few casualties, enough to become combat innefective, they would not hesitate to fly the white flag of surrender (at least on the western front). Those japs had to be killed down to the last fucking man. Hell there was some Japanese soldier who fought a 1 man guirella insurgency in the Phillipines until like the 1980s or some shit picking off cops and military because he never received official word or surrender from Tojo.

That being said, they were indeed well armed, well entrenched, and at least moderately trained and effective riflemen. And the terrain of those pacific islands is fucking perfection for holding off an invasion force.

>>33784840
Not like the Japanese.
>Navy would not send supplies to Army units.

>>33784721
America can't into jungle warfare so we only fight desert ones now.

>>33784721
The long and short on the islands;
>Had experience on the terrain
>Had most of that shit planned or at least somewhat figured out for years how to defend the islands
>knew how to use outdated weapons decently well

What i want to know is, instead of wasting all the time and energy making those AA sighs on arisakas, and bayonet mounts on LMG that were still using magazines, and magazines that counted down the last 4 shots... Why didn't they come up with a decent beltfed machine gun?

>>33785704
That would have required better logistics.

>>33785704
Don't forget guns that needed oiled ammunition, and 1.5x scopes on those machine guns.

The only thing that made them tough is the fact that they were good at ambushing, and the fact that they did shit that no one though a decent human being would do.

>Men would dress as civilian women and try to kill US troops when they got close.
>Using human shields
>"surrendering" and then dropping to the ground with a gun on their back and letting the guy behind him grab said gun and opening up.
>boobie trapping abandoned equipment.

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>>33785588
pretty much this

The Marines and Soldiers didn't really feel this until the Battle of Tarawa, with a little over 1000 casualties over 3 days and the japs lost their entire garrison

The US learned their lessons there and adapted, only to learn more hard lessons at Peleliu and Saipan and finally at Iwo Jima

I honestly could not imagine what it must of been like to be a Marine/Army infantryman fighting the japs, it must've been hell on earth

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Also, posting Muhreens

>>33785588
Emperor Hirohito was the supposed god, not Tojo.

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What could have possibly been done to minimize the horrific casualties we took on Iwo Jima if we had no choice but to capture it?

>>33785549
Worthy adversary, Dude. The man in the black pajamas, worthy fucking adversary.

>>33785912
>I honestly could not imagine what it must of been like to be a Marine/Army infantryman fighting the japs, it must've been hell on earth

i watched a few documentaries on it. These past few days. It sounded worse than Normandy. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the way it was presented sure made it seem that way.

>>33785995
Is that Nick Di Paolo?

>>33785979
This question can be applied to any island really.

>>33785912
Din't forget being entirely overrun by a massive (the very first we faced) banzai charge in the Aluetians.

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>>33786000
>When we were on the beach, waiting to leave, the Japanese were lobbing some artillery at us, some pretty heavy shells
>The shells were falling way too close for comfort when we were about to leave that place
>We had some Japanese prisoners there on the beach, during this shelling, one of the guys who was guarding a jap "this is your chance, jump over that fence and get the hell out of here
>So the Jap did and the guard shot him dead
>Hell, its nothing, when the Japs were in China, they were throwing babies and catching them with bayonets, you know
>Art Pendleton

I'd take Europe over the Pacific any day

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>>33786021
The Aluetian Campaign is severely underrated, never again will we have literal frontiersmen fighting the japs again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castner%27s_Cutthroats

>>33785979
At the time, nothing. Nowadays, PGMs. Hiding in tunnels gets a lot less viable when your opponent can jam a MOAB in the entrance.

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Why aren't there more movies/series/video games on the Pacific theater?

There's so much to cover in that time period

>>33784769
he went down on and fisted a girl on her period

>>33786128
I'd guess the nuclear thing makes people a little hesitant

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>>33786112
Sounds like things got ugly

> Teeth and skulls were the most commonly taken "trophies", although other body parts were also collected.
> When interviewed by researchers former servicemen have related to the practice of taking gold teeth from the dead – and sometimes also from the living – as having been widespread.
> In 1984, Japanese soldiers' remains were repatriated from the Mariana Islands. Roughly 60 percent were missing their skulls.

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>>33784769
>>33784840
>story behind OP's pic btw?
Probably hit by mortar explosion. It was based in a scene that Tom Lea, also known for the always remembered Thousand Yard Stare painting, saw during the Peleliu landing:
>I fell flat on my face just as I heard the whishhh of a mortar I knew was too close. A red flash stabbed at my eyeballs. About fifteen yards away, on the upper edge of the beach, it smashed down four men from our boat. One figure seemed to fly to pieces. With terrible clarity I saw the head and one leg sail into the air.
>I got up… ran a few steps, and fell into a small hole as another mortar burst threw dirt on me. Lying there in terror looking longingly up the slope for better cover, I saw a wounded man near me, staggering in the direction of the LVTs (Landing Vehicle - Tracked). His face was half bloody pulp and the mangled shreds of what was left of an arm hung down like a stick, as he bent over in his stumbling, shock-crazy walk. The half of his face that was still human had the most terrifying look of abject patience I have ever seen. He fell behind me, in a red puddle on the white sand.

>>33786152
>>33784769
>>>/9gag/

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war is hell

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>>33786204
Everything about the Pacific War just seemed so dirty, grimy and brutal

Take Naval Warfare for example, can you imagine being a Gunner's Mate during those pitched Naval and Air battles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViAnz2JIbUE&index=28&list=LLE9GPWZeR7ywiSuvjnK_B6w&t=87s

>>33785549
>They weren't good, they were stubborn. Or maybe both, a worthy adversary, but still the inferior.


''Good'' is an extremely vague and retarded word to be used here. The Japanese soldiers were extremely devoted to their cause and had a mentality unlike many. They were exceptional adversaries, and it is only considering the condition of their logistics and their country's own war industry that we truly find the reason for their defeat.

There comes a point where you can operate a machine gun and engage in tactical operations only so well. Ultimately a soldier's worth is measured by his morale, and the Japanese had that covered.

>>33786274
That'll show 'em

>>33786096
>they often had names in keeping with their unit's nickname, such as Bad Whiskey Red, Aleut Pete and Waterbucket Ben.

>He was joined in early 1942 by Lt. Earl C. Acuff
>Acuff had been stationed on a remote Aleutian island to spy on Japanese planes.
>After several months went by without hearing from him, the army charged Castner's Cutthroats with recovery of his body.
>When they found him alive and well, he was quickly transferred to the Alaskan Scouts.
> "I was living like a king. I was diving for king crab and eating fresh seafood and fowl – wild ptarmigan, ducks and geese – for dinner.

B A S E D
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how much of a shitshow was Guadalcanal? the reason i ask;

>grandpa was in muhreen boot back in 1950
>gets a WWII pacific vet as DI
>guy is described by my grandpa as 6'4, with not an ounce of fat on him
>uniform has ribbons and medals down to his bellybutton
>southern accent
>says he doesn't like niggers, or low class white people in his beloved corps (kek)
>uses the term asshole or skinhead to describe every recruit
>offers to fight any recruit that has a problem with him (one kid took him up on it on day, and the recruit got his ass handed to him.)
>one day the cpl that worked with the Sergent was talking with the recruits (he was also a pacific vet.)

>"you guys have one of the best sergeants there is... He has all those medals for a reason...he went though a lot in Guadalcanal, and deserves every bit of respect. There is a lot he can teach you, and what he'll teach you will save your life out there, so you better listen to him when he tells you something."
>grandpa said the sgt and cpl never talked about the war. outside of that one time the CPL said the SGT "went through a lot.

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>>33786310
He seems to talk a lot.

It was pretty brutal.

>>33786283
Reminder that his name is pronounce Rawme, like an instruction

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I see the Marine Corps began its long and storied tradition of putting tall guys in Mechanized jobs in WWII

>>33786292
yeh
>>33786381
he can be the driver gunner and commander!

>>33785988
I'm calmer than you are

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>>33786358
:3

>>33786381
If you arent suffering for no good reason its not the Marine Corps

>>33786448
>you will never have a sexy harem of hot marines who you also operate innapacific with every day
feels bad

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>>33786289
For the Skull Jeep

>>33786448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bZ2CiACbmM

>>33786204
>dat description

i kinda wish there was a color photo of that. It sounds like something out of a zombie movie. It always seems the most graphic shit never gets photographed. RIP, devil dog.

>>33786289
>>33786487
>>33786202

Were they cutting jap's heads of or something?

>>33786521
don't think butt fucking ever crossed their minds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mel9s2IXKHg

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>>33786560
Yes. It was payback for all the crazy shit the Japanese did themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_mutilation_of_Japanese_war_dead

> Franklin Roosevelt himself was reportedly given a gift of a letter-opener made of a Japanese soldier's arm (Roosevelt later ordered that the gift be returned and called for its proper burial).

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>>33786560
no. they fell off naturally.

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great minds think alike

>>33786161

who wants fried rice?

>>33786310
Back in a time when the DIs could beat the shit out of a recruit, say nigger freely, and it was smiled upon. ahhh the good days. Where did they go, /k/?

>>33786694
look up Skull Stewing

My Great Uncle fought with the Canadian Contingent at Hong Kong and survived as a prisoner by fixing uniforms.

he apparently started clapping when he heard they nuked japan

>>33786486

why is /v/ so gay?

>>33786730

yeah, shits crazy; anybody on /k/ have a relative that brought back a triphy?

>>33786310
>>uniform has ribbons and medals down to his bellybutton

Is something like that just luck, or does skill have something to do with it? Like in a combat zone, for someone to pull off some shit that gets them that many medals, do you have to be that crazy to take risks, or just a lucky mother fucker? Or was the guy just that good a kicking ass?

Well the first thing is that the japanese were and still are a hypernationalistic nation. Thats why some still fly the rising sun flag. Which can be equivilent to the nazi flag.
The first thing to understand about the japanese fightung statedgy comes from bushido, that you are swine and the only glory that you xan recieve is from serving and dying for your master. The japanese military ran on honor. That being said to be placed in the hands of the enemy was and unacceptable shame. Thats the thing about the japanese is that they were a soldier with a cause a reason and a code to fight. The American GI conversely at first fought for the stars and stripes but then was ultimately fighting for survival and the man to the left and right of him.
Ultimately the downfall was the Arisaka rifle which was used in the Russo-Japanese war and outdated by WW2 and the fact that the army forced the japanese to supply themselves which took its toll at the end of the war. All in all if america had invaded japan we could have lost many thousands of more troops until the last city fell. Thats how strong they were.

>>33786881
>Ultimately the downfall was the Arisaka rifle which was used in the Russo-Japanese war and outdated by WW2

How was it different from any other bolt action? aside from that useless AA sight, it doesn't seem much different from the Germans using the k-98k or the English with the enfield, or the Russians with the mosin nagant? Weren't some muhreen units still using bolt actions as well?

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>>33786947
Yeah Japan's downfall was the fact that they could never hope to match Americas industrial out put.

>At its peak, the U.S. Navy was operating 6,768 ships
>28 aircraft carriers
>23 battleships
>71 escort carriers
>72 cruisers
>over 232 submarines
>377 destroyers
>thousands of amphibious, supply and auxiliary ships.

how can jap boys even compete?

Question;
How the hell was any fighting done at night back then? especially without NV or red dot optics.

>can't see irons on a black night
>muzzle flashes make you stick out
>cant see who you're shooting at

>>33784721
>tfw you take wounds so severe that they turn you into an invincible blood god

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>>33786310
It was bad, anon... it was bad...

>Battle of bloody ridge
Not many Americans died, but holy shit look at the carnage.

>>33784721
>what else can be compared?
>weapon system
>tactics
>command ability
>military power
>nation power
>gooks BTFO

except torpedo (long lance)
retarded(not joke) Japs were way behind than US

>>33784739
kek

>>33787205
Moonlight

Flares


Panic, darkness, loud noises, rustling of leaves, dying alone in the dark

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How often was / is the use of captured enemy weapons a thing?

pic related

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>rare photo of a proto-/k/ommando in the Pacific

>>33787643
>marine
>unshaven

This picture is fake.

>>33787449
Old Pacific vets I've talked to (all dead now) are kinda split on Jap weapons. Some liked them, others hated them. I heard some praise for the Type 96 and 99 though. Guys would use them if ammo was available.
One thing I found interesting is that one told me that they liked it if they captured Japanese rations because they carried rice.

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>>33787205
It wasn't pretty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuELGSeKM6Q&t=1s

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>>33786448
wtf

>>33784801
I can think of two more reasons.

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>>33784800
Part of this has to do with the way Japan modernized. It's probably too much to say that the Meiji restoration just swapped one shogunate for another, but keep in mind that cohesive national identities aren't built overnight and there was a very strong Choshu/Satsuma dominance in the first Japanese cabinets.

While these two han had co-operated to overthrow the Tokugawa they had been traditional rivals for centuries stretching back to their clan predecessors in the Sengoku (Satsuma had been a loyal supporter of the Tokugawa shogunate up until the Bakumatsu, while Choshu had historically been an enemy of the Shogunate). An important drive in the new Meiji regime was to create a nation-wide sense of "Japanese" identity that would override loyalties to clan and domain, but these things take time and generations.

Consequently a lot of the army/navy rivalry can be understood when framed against this context. The Army was dominated by officers from Choshu han, while the Navy was likewise dominated by Satsuma men.

>>33787695
Seeing shit like that, espcially like at the end are really making me look at the war in a different way. I can only imagine how horrible the real thing was. Jesus christ.... the stories do not do it justice. I'm sure the real thing was thousands of times worse than what they can show on film.

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>fuck I have my helmet on backwards
>I sure hope nobody notices...

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>>33786448
Fucking just finished wathcing the Pacific again today.

Jesus H. Christ, weebs are the worst.

>>33787790
That's true even now. Notice how many European vs. Pacific war movies there are. I think that the people there didn't want to talk about it.

>>33784721
As many posters mention, battles in the Pacific War were bloody partly due to Japanese stubbornness, but also because of the nature of the theatre. It featured campaigns against a dug-in enemy on tropical islands full of vermin and disease with dense undergrowth.

Even discounting Japanese fanaticism, this is still a recipe for a lot of casualties. In addition, the Pacific was considered a "secondary theatre" and generally didn't receive as much in the way of strategic priorities.

>>33787277
Grandpa was there.

That's right about when he went into the brig because he didn't want to kill anymore.

>>33787695
That's with movie lighting so you ca actually see what is happening. Do that, but it's pitch black.

>>33787828
>I think that the people there didn't want to talk about it.

while i fully respect their choice not to talk about it, it'skind of a shame at the same time. im the anon who posted yesterday with the grandma who was on the eastern front in ww2 as a child. There's a lot she doesn't want to talk about; even to this day. It's just a shame that these stories will die with the people that remember them.

>>33787797
im curious if he is wearing it that way on purpose and if there is any benefit to it. it looks like it covers the back of his neck better and covers his forehead a bit more.

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>>33786021
>>33786096
God I love this state

>>33787205
>>33787695

Doctrinally the IJA had a real hard-on for infantry infiltration under the cover of foliage and/or darkness; this was in part due to their experiences in the Russo-Japanese war, where like Europeans in WWI they discovered the vulnerability of infantry assaults against an entrenched position with machine guns and artillery, and was their answer to trying to break trench warfare deadlocks.

The idea was to infiltrate into enemy lines quietly at night and then launch the attack in the hours just before dawn. Early in WWII the idea was to get close without firing (thus keeping your position hidden), then make a bayonet charge on the surprised enemy line - the idea being that a close combat attack would be far more psychologically devastating while preserving ammunition and supplies.

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>>33787771
Underrated.

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>>33787790
>A screaming horde of Imperial Japanese tried to cross
>Japs who could speak English were screaaming, "Marine, Tonight you die!" and "Blood for the emperor"
>We started yelling back at them "Fuck your emperor" and "Go to hell"
>Then they charged across the water, some of them got through our line and were bayoneting our men
>On the front line, one of my close friends, Crotty, from New York, was in a two-man foxhole.
>A Japanese officer had snuck through the line and came at him from behind the foxhole
>The other Marine in Crotty's foxhole had a bandolier of ammo across the back of the foxhole
>when he reached for it, he saw the Jap officer with his saber raised over his head
>The Marine drew his knees to his chest to protect himself
>The Jap's saber hit him in the kneecap and split his knee down through the shinbone
>Crotty turned around when he heard his buddy scream and shot the Jap before he could raise his blade again
>The bullet went up through the japs ribcage and came out under his armpit, he fell on them
>Jim Young on the battle of Tenaru

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>>33787909
It's interesting really, we see that the US learned some tough lessons in battles like Tarawa and Peleliu but the Japs had to learn their own lessons the hard way like in Guadalcanal where, like you said, they tried to use tactics on the Marines and Soldiers that worked on the Russians

We saw this again in the Battle of Saipan when they saw that doing last ditch, all out Banzai charges isn't the best way to hold an island and cause the most casualties on the Americans

>>33784754
>http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/a/Casualties.htm
That's a great link, even if you are a cancerous shitbag.

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>>33787883
I know machine gunners in 'Nam wore their helmets like that because the helmet wouldn't fall over their eyes

It could be this poor fella just got his helmet blown off his head and threw it on hastily before having to move to cover

>>33787918
I don't know what to say, dude. i really don't. I can't even begin to understand how horrible it must have been.

>>33787948
>Guadalcanal

What really screwed the IJA over in the Pacific was the IJN's loss in Midway. Without undisputed superiority at sea the already wretched Japanese supply situation got even worse, and that's not even counting the inter-service rivalries.

Often entire convoys full of Japanese reinforcements and supplies would be turned back or sunk outright by aggressive US surface raiders, patrolling land-based bombers, or submarines.

Curiously the IJN never really committed their submarines to the same sort of supply raiding that submarines are best at; IJN subs were almost always hoarded for use in tactical setpiece engagements as part of the IJN doctrine of committing to a decisive naval engagement (which ironically enough was influenced by the writings of A. Mahan, an American naval officer)..

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>>33787954
Looks like the 2nd and 3rd Marine Division bore the brunt of the fighting for the USMC while the 77th Infantry Division got hit the worst for the Army

>>33786310
Could DI's really get away with shit like that back then?

also this>>33786835

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>>33787981
In a way that same stubborness that gave the
US such a hard time really screwed them over too

Every time I read about Naval Battles with the IJN, it just seemed that the IJN simply refused to get with the times while the US was coming with newer, modern ships and tactics to blow them out of the water

Makes you wonder what would happen if they weren't so hardnosed

>>33787948
>but the Japs had to learn their own lessons the hard way like in Guadalcanal where, like you said, they tried to use tactics on the Marines and Soldiers that worked on the Russians
The problem for them was they they often didn't make it off these islands to pass those lessons on to their next unit and the next fight.

>>33788078
you'd think the massive deathtolls would be enough to show they need to try something else.

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>>33787976
You should look up With The Old Breed by Eugene Sledge, Helmet for my Pillow by Robert Leckie, Island of the Damned by R.V Burgin and Voices of the Pacific by Adam Makos, they paint a picture of what life as an infantryman on those islands were like, it ain't pretty

I'm mostly mystified by this certain Marine that got mentioned by Eugene Sledge, R.V Burgin and several other Peleliu vets called Charles Womack

Apparently he was this almost enigmatic Flamethrower operator who would materialize when they would need him the most and rain hellfire on Japanese bunkers

I've tried to look him up but all I could find is rosters with his name on it and other Marines mentioning him

>>33788034
It's not really so much that they didn't get with the times; naval warfare in WWII evolved rapidly out of any pre-war doctrinal assumptions and Japan just didn't have the industrial base to overhaul things like the US did.

Most Japanese developments were quite logical given the context of the time - they poured a lot of resources into developing excellent torpedoes, which at the time were a deadly weapon that would even the odds against a ship of much heavier displacement. They also poured immense resources into what was believed to be the ultimate naval weapons of the day - the all big-gun battleship, like the Yamato-class. They also drilled crews intensely in sight-ranging and night gunnery. And they still managed on top of that to equip and train a very respectable carrier air wing with some of the longest-ranged carrier aircraft in existence. Given the size of their country and relative industrial base I would argue the IJN punched far above their weight. Their only real fault at the time was poor damage control procedures but this is one thing that often is learned through painful experience.

What the Japanese simply lacked was the industrial infrastructure to replace losses in a war of attrition or to change their doctrinal course mid-war.

Hindsight tells us a lot, but if you think in the context of the 30s it would be difficult to predict all the areas that eventually proved decisive for the Americans: the importance of massing carrier air groups for close coordination, the importance timely naval intelligence for aircraft strikes, and radar-based gunnery.

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>>33788123

Shit I'm not even going to argue, you sound like you really know your shit on the topic

It's my kind of autism to look at a battle, both naval and land, and pick it apart to see how everything went down from the strategic "big picture" scheme of things to how the individual actions and training of the infantryman/sailor influenced the battle

Japanese veterans often say that the American soldiers they fought were cowards. They could see the American GIs shivering behind trees, afraid to come out even when the Japanese had run out of ammo.

>>33785549
>>33785588

Aside from the indoctrination, Japanese willingness to fight to the death was compounded by attitudes toward surrender. The Japanese treated surrendering enemies with contempt and soldiers were indoctrinated to believe that similar horrible treatment, if not outright execution, awaited them if they surrendered to foreign enemies.

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>>33788186
Funny you say that because I've heard the exact opposite of that

Japs either scared to death to come out from their holes because they were told they'd get tortured if they were captured or just outright kill themselves

In most cases they were right to be scared, I doubt a Marine who had been fighting for most of the campaign and watched other Marines get torn to pieces or spirited away at night only to find his butchered, mutilated body tied to tree after he got used for bayonet practice

That being said, apparently the real Merriell Shelton was notorious for barely ever sticking his head up in a firefight and shooting back and screaming that "They needed more bodies" early in the war

>>33788163
If you haven't read it already, you may want to try John Costello's "War in the Pacific: 1941-1945", which covers the conflict as an entire geopolitical whole, which I feel is somewhat rare as many books tend to focus on one particular thing or another.

>>33788105
>With The Old Breed by Eugene Sledge, Helmet for my Pillow by Robert Leckie, Island of the Damned by R.V Burgin and Voices of the Pacific by Adam Makos

Have two of those in the queue from when I watched The Pacific. Got a long weekend coming, gonna get started I think.

>>33788223
look up the stories in the wiki link ITT about what the marines were doing back.

>cutting heads off
>removing teeth while the guy is still alive
>cutting up bodies for trophys

>>33787790
Just found this one the other day, "NHK Documentary: The Pacific War: Despair on the Battlefield." It has interviews with surviving Japanese soldiers. Truly hell on earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbZJLsucS8I

>>33785979
What's up with the shield on that gun? Is it cut to break up it's silhouette?

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>>33788254
Hey, they started it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTcDVaCOTk

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>>33788249
Gonna have to look for that, I've read a lot of books on the war but I've never come across that one

>>33788286
never said they didn't. just letting him know, senpai

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>>33788294
Most Marine veterans write about the mutilation of the dead on both sides in their memoir, Sledge's memoir has two pretty infamous stories in it, one of a Marine who tried to get gold teeth out of a living japs mouth and another where his friend Merriell Shelton would throw stones into a gaping jap skull

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>>33785588
>Hiroo Onoda - hide and seek world champion.

He did not surrender until 1974 when he was personally issued orders from his former commanding officer who was flown out to the Phillipines to officially relieve him of duty. He was pardoned by the Phillipines government despite murdering many police officers and military personnel, during his 30+ years of service hiding in the mountains and jungles. Despite being air dropped leaflets informing him of the Japanese surrender, as well as photograps and letters from his family, he concluded that they were "trickery" to draw him into the open. He was taken into custody with his rifle and bayonet in perfect working condition, 500 rounds of ammunition, 4 hand grenades, an anti personnel mine, and a can of kerosene he used to set fire to food storages over the years.

>>33788329
was this guy trolling, or did he really think the war was still going on?

War is hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PXURGqtMwU

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>>33788388
The identity of whoever really hit that Marine will never be revealed once Ol' R.V Burgin passes away

Man those guys can really keep a secret

>>33788346
He fought alongside I believe 4-5 other Japanese solders who were killed or mortally wounded over the years. One stayed with him for over 20 years after being nursed back to health by him from a gunshot wound. Pretty amazing story. I read his book " No Surrender " years ago, but can't remember the exact details.

>>33788329
Thats the most gangster shit I've ever read.

F

>>33788105
They actually portray that guy in The Pacific as well

>>33784721
How does a mortar manage to do all that and not kill the guy instantly?

>>33788428
Pretty sure those are Marine KIAs, man.

>>33788462
Yeah, those split-toe boots were real popular with jarheads in dubya duba two

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>>33788462
They're japs breh, look at the puttees their wearing, the Marines wore canvas leggings

>>33788186
my grandfather lost his leg in the pacific, he was shot in the thigh while taking out a japanese machine gunner with his BAR. His brother who was a medic also fought in the pacific and they were always within a days walk of each other when they were on land. While my grandfather was being taken care of at a field hospital his brother came to check on him. He noticed that my grandfather had a cast up to his ribs. His brother went back to the fight for two weeks, when he got back he had picked up a extra 1911 and a nambu. He gave them to my grandfather and he stuck them into his cast so they could get them back to the US. When they got back my uncle chromed plated the 1911 for my grandpa, both the nambu and 1911 were stolen in the early 80's.

Neither of them were fucking cowards, they both went face first into the fight. My uncle said the best way to kill a jap was to stick him with your bayonet and pick him up by it then shake him til he stopped screaming.

grandpa kept the bullet they took out of his leg, ive been meaning to check it out but its not like you can just ask your grandmother if you can take a pair of calibers to a bullet that is credited with her husbands eventual death.

Then again they were raised by a body stacker, so who knows maybe they were out of the ordinary.

>>33788254
its like you expect trained killers to be nice about war or something.

>>33788280
Looks like it

>>33788462
>>33788474
>>33788481
I see it now. One of those dead fellas with the beard looks caucasoid and the uniforms look rather dark for IJA/N.

Was it safe to say the pacific was worse than Europe?

we here all this shit about how bad Normandy was, but it seems like every single island was like that, and worse, seeing as how they kept pouring out of the jungles.

>>33787771
the battle of midway and the russian invasion of manchuria, smart

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>>33788508
I'm not sure, its a shot in the dark and I don't think they were on Peleliu but they could be Special Naval Landing Force Marines, they usually had darker uniforms than the usual khaki uniform the IJA used, I'd imagine they'd get darker once you sweat and bleed in them

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>>33788525
Depends on who you're talking about, it may not have been as brutal of an experience like Americans who fought in Europe but I'd say the Pacific front was just as brutal, bitter and cold hearted as the Eastern Front between Germany and Russia

>>33786661
>>33786630


dat timestamp
dat pic

dat hivemind

i lold

>>33788388
Did he died?

>>33788605
War is hell, but the pacific theater was a completely different level of hell.

>>33786170
>>33786128
there were no jews being slaughtered in china, so hollywood doesnt care about what the japs did

>>33785925
Semper Fi, motherfucker.

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US Navy were some of the ballsiest men on the battlefield

Fair Seas and Following Winds to all the Docs who went the extra mile to save us debbil doges

>every ww2 vet will die in your lifetime.
feelsbadman.jpg

>>33785912
>it must've been hell on earth
Look up the Chichijima Incident. Of the ten men on a bombing mission who bailed out HW Bush was the only one to survive. Everyone else was captured and eaten.

That said in WWI the British sent veterans from the Western Front to the German East African Front and their opinion was "I would rather be in Flanders" so Pacific Theater probably wasn't the worst.

>>33788715
To be fair, fighting in Africa anywhere and anytime would usually beat anything on the Shit Factor

>>33788715
>Everyone else was captured and eaten.
the japanese were pretty fucked up. madre de dio

>>33788790
>roundeye tasta rike chicken

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>>33784721
>Were the Japanese really that good at what they did?
Max Hastings quotes a British officer who described the Japanese as 'first class soldiers serving in a third class army'. They had very little in support equipment; artillery production for example was minuscule compared to other combatants, they carried only a third of the equipment of your average American or British soldier, and the quality of leadership was never really on par.

That the US suffered more casualties from rifle caliber bullets than artillery on Okinawa is simply incredible if you're at all familiar with causality statistics, and speaks to the determination and effort expended by Japanese soldiers.

>>33786128
>Why aren't there more movies/series/video games on the Pacific theater?
The way Marines rotated meant it's impossible to follow one soldier or specific unit and still hit all the key points of the Pacific war. That's why the screenplay for HBO's The Pacific had to be sourced from multiple memoirs and the series suffered as a result.

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While the Marine Corps carried their weight commendably during the Pacific War, the US Army was also actively involved in the struggle against Imperial Japan

They conducted just as many amphibious landings, more if those conducted in the European front are counted, as the USMC did

In fact, the US Army executed the recapture of the Philippines in coordination with Native Filipino Resistance Fighters along with the assistance of Australia and a Mexican fighter squadron

>>33787667
>Because shaving under fire is pretty important.

I hope you were joking.

>>33788706
GET READY TO FEEL LIKE TOTAL SHIT, ANON!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_last_World_War_I_veterans_by_country

>>33786448
Fucking homos. No respect.

>>33788802
>if you're at all familiar with causality statistics
i am not. care to explain? i do know that in europe, more americans were killed via german mortars than anything else supposedly.

>the series suffered as a result.
i've been watching some of the clips on yt all night so far. I think it's quite beautifully done. with that said, im sure it doesn't compare to the real thing.

>The way Marines rotated meant it's impossible to follow one soldier or specific unit and still hit all the key points of the Pacific war
I was thinking of this last night. someone should make a game that follows one person in a unit for a few missions, and leads up to a big "boss battle" like edison's ridge, or something. then switch to something else, and replete with a different character.

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>>33788706
I was very fortunate to have met, and known, a couple WWII veterans

I met a guy who fought in the Bougainville Campaign and fought during the Battle of Iwo Jima in its entirety, the man went from PFC to SSGT in a weapons company by the end of the battle

I saw R.V Burgin speak at an event but I wasn't able to meet him or shake his hand, something that I'll probably regret till the day I die, and I knew an old Latino Marine who fought in Guadalcanal, Cape Gloucester and Peleliu

Truly the greatest generation those guys

>>33788802
>That the US suffered more casualties from rifle caliber bullets than artillery on Okinawa is simply incredible
Not to really rain on the idea but this more points to severe Japanese shortages in regards to providing machine guns and machine gun ammunition to their infantry.

Also slightly misleading outside of context, the greatest cause of casualties in the Pacific theatre was disease and heatstroke first.

>>33786560
Bodies decompose fast in the jungle.

>>33788898
>Japanese shortages in regards to providing machine guns and machine gun ammunition to their infantry.

didn't the machine guns use the same ammo as the rifles?

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>>33788913
Oh fug me

how about some Aleutian Campaign pics

>>33787797
>>33787883
Stops the helmet from falling over your eyes when running or prone.

>>33784721

it was a shitshow because they were essentially fighting in the wilderness the entire time and the logistics situation was fucked. I mean, the US had absolutely extraordinary logistics, but that only goes so far when there are no cities or roads, and everything has to be moved ashore via boat, often under fire.

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Why though

>>33788346
He was an intelligence/SO officer so he was briefed on propaganda and dirty tactics. Combined with the fierce Yamato spirit created a truly powerful and resourceful officer who didn't fall for any ham demon yankee tricks.

>>33788861
>via german mortars
Only if you mean artillery.

>>33788912
>didn't the machine guns use the same ammo as the rifles?
Anon... Jesus. Machine guns ARE rifles.

It's a little shocking to think that men would survive a beach landing, fight the japanese all the way off an island for weeks / months, then have to do it all over again multiple times. fucking a man...

>>33785607
>dense jungles and trees
>gets ambushed
>flat dessert plains and hills
>still ambushed
>fighting an insurgency in a nutshell

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There aren't many pictures of Castner's Cutthroats, these were all I could find

>>33788861
Was actually on Leyte, but the point remains.

>The Japanese displayed superior adeptness, and willingness to go into the swamps and stay there until rooted out…The most notable characteristics exhibited were the excellent fire discipline and the effective control of all arms. Without exception individual soldiers withheld their fire until it would have the greatest possible effect.” It is interesting to contrast the manner in which the two sides used weapons. An analysis of 519 Sixth Army fatal casualties showed that 1 man died of bayonet wounds, 2 from blast, 170 from fragments—mortar or artillery. Ninety-seven proved unclassifiable; the remaining 249 were victims of small-arms fire. In other words, in contrast to the World War II battlefield norm, on Leyte the Japanese relied chiefly upon rifles, machine guns and mortars. Short of artillery and lacking tanks, they had no choice. The Americans, meanwhile, inflicted an estimated 60 percent of Japanese ground losses with their artillery, 25 percent with mortars, only 14 percent with infantry weapons, and 1 percent with aircraft. Military operational researchers rated nine rifles as possessing the value of one machine gun, and a medium mortar as matching the destructive capability of three machine guns. On Leyte, the U.S. Army sought as usual to exploit its overwhelming firepower, under most unfavourable conditions; the Japanese were obliged to make the most of the humble rifle—and did so.

Col. William Verbeck of 21st Infantry, Sixth Army Operations Report Leyte, pp. 204–12
Col. Junkichi Okabayashi, chief of staff of 1st Division, Eighth Army staff study of Japanese 35th Army on Leyte, pp. 5–6

>>33788898
>Not to really rain on the idea but this more points to severe Japanese shortages
That's the fucking point, that the Japanese were able inflict the numbers of casualties they did with small arms speaks to their tactical prowess.

>the greatest cause of casualties in the Pacific theatre was disease and heatstroke first
We're discussing weapons, anon.

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And thats all I got

>>33789014
The photo dump was a treat to look at, anon. semper-fi.

>>33788029

Absolutely. DIs were God and could seriously fuck your life if they felt like it back then. The Ribbon creek incident, when recruits drowned while being marched at night by a drunk DI, tightened the reins a little bit.

>The Ribbon Creek incident occurred on the night of April 8, 1956, when Staff Sergeant Matthew McKeon, a junior drill instructor at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island, South Carolina, marched his assigned platoon into Ribbon Creek, a swampy tidal creek. The incident resulted in the deaths of six US Marine Corps recruits. McKeon was found guilty of possession and use of alcoholic beverage.

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>>33789054
>tfw no manslaughter charges because they weren't marines yet, and thus not men

>>33788186

Charging headfirst into death drunk on sake and amphetamines isn't necessarily courageous. Or the right thing to do in combat. As evidenced by the shit-eye nips running out of ammo and getting the flamethrower and grenade treatment.

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>>33789029
No prob devil

Now since its a Pacific Thread, lets discuss this faggot

Was he in the wrong? Was he just dealt a bad hand? Was he just indecisive?

>>33784721
the Japanese spent allot of time digging in
even deep enough that coastal bombardment does not do shit
+by most accounts they fucking crazy and fight to the last man

trouble is that the Japanese got set in their ways and did not change tactics,
as the war progressed Americans found ways around all their methods

>>33789006
Context is still important. Americans were attacking Japanese holding positions to the suicidal last man and unable to land heavy equipment.

Of course the vast majority of casualties sustained by the Americans would be from rifle rounds, the Japanese had nothing else to kill Americans with, and the jungle terrain of much of the Pacific campaign meant that close-range engagements with small arms were likely.

That's not to discount the individual valour/fanaticism of the Japanese, but I wouldn't necessarily call it "tactical prowess".

>>33784800
There were cases of navy admirals plotting to assassinate army generals, and the other way around as well. They really did not like working together

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>>33785588
>They make jihadists look like girl scouts.

Nah Have you seen jihadi faces right before they do a suicide bombing? They have the most fearless smile ever. As if they are getting direct orders from god as well.

>>33788861
Not him, but iirc, 1-2/10 deaths were due to small arms in European theater.

its funny reading this thread and /k/ acting like soldiers were getting PTSD from it like modern armies. They were farmer boys/city boys at most and it was during the great depression so they had tons of violence in the USA and probably were on the verge of starving as kids and had family die from some sickness/starvation as well. Japs were brutes but so were Americans at that time.

Speaking of tropical hells, I suggest anyone with the time to watch this documentary on the battle of Long Tan.

The recorded radio audio is pretty disturbing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNgSo8Dawl8

>>33785704
>and magazines that counted down the last 4 shots
Got any more info on this? Sounds stupid, yet interesting

>>33789248

it's on the japanese lmg, the name escapes me. You can see it in detail in ians video on it. basically, because of the top feed there's a little rotary dial in the mag which tells you when you're getting down to 4 rounds.

>>33784721
It was a war between two real nations, not a fight against the retarded branch of a crippled nation like the Western Front in Europe.

Real war between decent opponents is hell... It's what the Soviets had to go through on the Eastern Front.
Also, US military was a bit too fond of human wave tactics. Every new island was supposed to be another glorious D-Day, just without European help distractinga nd softening up the entrenched opponent to make the losses bearable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxEJSuhyoeI
Japanese are still hyper nationalistic and militaristic.

>>33788839
>implying arousal isn't the most genuine sign of respect
Do you not respect your gun?
>>33786448
Hnngg

>>33786523
You probably aren't thinking about photographs when graphic shit is going down.

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>>33786881
Rising sun flag was and still is the Japanese battle flag since long before WWII. It's more like the iron cross. The better equivalent to the swastika would be pic related.

>>33787834
Can't say I blame him

>>33789081
Who is that?

>>33789288
It's like they have reenactors in other countries too

>>33789143
Those guys believe they'll go to heaven and live like kings when they die though, it sounds awesome.But in Japan I don't think there is an incentive to die like that.

>>33789284
>another glorious D-Day
How do you take an island without a landing? Do you bomb the living shit out of it for a year and then land on it? Seems pretty inefficient as far as time goes.

>>33789462
Only incentive is for the Emperor and for your ancestors. Which is enough for them but not enough for others. Different cultures and views

>>33787771
Yameroooo

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>>33786285
>There comes a point where you can operate a machine gun and engage in tactical operations only so well. Ultimately a soldier's worth is measured by his morale, and the Japanese had that covered.

Nah that's complete utter bullshit, you're acting like our boys were weak and didn't hang tough. Once we realized what the Japs were and how they acted, we had about as much concern for brutalizing them as a normal person would stepping on an ant.

>>33787449
>How often was / is the use of captured enemy weapons a thing?
Supply logistics on islands and jungle could be a bitch, I imagine that predicated much of it. Hell there were Marine units in Vietnam that found themselves almost exclusively using NVA AKs due to supply issues.

>>33789131
>the Japanese had nothing else to kill Americans with
Don't think I've ever read a Pacific memoir that did not express great frustration and respect for Japanese knee mortars.

>>33789641
Not to mention their very well prepared bunkers and artillery, especially at Iwo Jima.

>>33788249
This one? https://www.amazon.com/Pacific-War-1941-1945-John-Costello/dp/0688016200/ref=la_B000AP8QHY_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1493375968&sr=1-1

Sounds like a good read, i've read Downfall and Guadalcanal by Richard Frank and really enjoyed them

>>33787277
I went there with the navy. Like we just had a port visit to honiara (capital city of solomons, on the island of guadalcanal) I didnt know much about the specifics of the battle but holy fuck I've stood on that hill. You can still see foxholes there and there's so many bullet casings that even after years of tourists taking souveneirs you can find one after a minutes searching. All the locals huts are built out of that perforated runway sheeting.

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>>33784721

>>33789504
Kill off the docks and airfields, then leave them to rot on their little piece of nothing, unable to do anything but fire into the water as you get all of your cargo and troops around them, making sure to stay out of range.
Most of the occupied islands were more dickwaving than anything else and it cost a ton of lives on both sides.

>>33785979
starve them out but the japs had stored up months worth of rations and earlier engagments had shown that the japs where able and willing to risk destroyers in supply runs.
Even if the smaller islands would be easyer to blockade your fleet would still be a sitting duck for months on end.
So losing the rifle men was deemed the better trade of to losing the time and potential fleet losses.

also gass weapons or biological warfare.
But all sides in WWII where reluctant to open up that can of worms remembering WWI and the lack of effective defences once they respond in kind.

You know why they had the longest range aircraft right?
>One way trip
I kid I kid

>>33785588
>well armed
Their equipment would have been excellent in 1917, but in 1941 it was a different story. Hopper-fed MGs. WWI Hotchkiss rip-offs. No SMGs or semi-auto rifle to speak of. Anemic pistol and rifle calibers (switched to something more potent later). Only light tanks that would even make the Guidos laugh. Obsolete radar and fire control technology.

Would deploying weaponized ants prove effective against the japs or no?

>>33789288
I've been wondering how the field encampment song sounds like when it's not sung a "pro" singers

>>33785940
Looks like that one guy from Full Metal Jacket

>>33785588
>A living God. Tojo.
Tojo was not the empeor

Why did Japan's god tier navy get BTFO at Midway and Leyte Gulf?

>>33790326
>Midway
Americans knew they were coming combined with amazingly good luck.
>Leyte Gulf
Fierce American resistance, combined with misjudgement on part of the Japanese commander cost them the battle when the odds were generally in favor of the Japanese. Then again by that time the IJN was pretty much dead.

>entire landscape is mud and rotting corpses
>have to shoot child soldiers
>have to shoot suicide bombers
>have to shoot women used as human shields
>have to shoot "PoWs" who pretend to surrender
>can't sleep because of artillery and the night sky getting lit up
>can't drink because of all the poisoned wells
>heat, exhaustion, and non-stop stress from not knowing when you will die
>your enemy has thrown away their humanity and will live in tunnels like rats instead of surrendering
>even after bombing the entire island to bits they still crawl out and try to suicide charge you
>you have to kill every single last one of them

How do you come out mentally intact from that?

>>33790406
short answer is that you don't

getting rotated out regularly and dehumanizing the enemy probably made it easier to compartmentalize, though

>>33790355
Assuming you did the photo dump, do you have any accounts or photos of what naval warfare was like?

>>33790106
Lack of a good SMG was pretty relevant yes, nothing wrong with their lmg's though, Type 99 and Type 96 were just fine for the time. 6.5×50 Arisaka wasn't really all that anemic. Also how the fuck you gonna drive tanks through the jungles of SEA?

>>33788887
Hey joker

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>>33789434
It's this dude.

>>33785828
The Type 96 and Type 99 ie. the main ww2 lmg's for Japan did not need oiled ammunition.

>>33785704
The magazine was the most common feeding system for lmg's in ww2, literally only Germany had belt fed lmg's.

Also, that magazine counter thingy cost literally nothing to add to the magazines since it's just a small hole drilled and a few numbers stamped into the follower and was a cool way to see if your mag's almost empty, see brass from the hole, keep on firing, see numbers from the hole, you know that you are at 4 rounds or less so you can change the mag if necessary.

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>>33788188
This so much. Japan has a cultural animosity towards surrender. I can't remember where but I read that Japanese have a disdain Africans even more than most other foreigners as they viewed colonization as shameful seeing it better to die than submit to a foreign power. Operation downfall would have been a bloodbath, thank god for nukes.

>>33789081
He was not going to order his men all to their deaths, too soft hearted, not tough fibered enough.

>>33789143
Because they're hopped up on heroin dumbass.

>>33784721
The Japanese were weak and died in huge numbers

>>33787909
Worked extremely well on poorly-drilled underequipped Chinese draftees with bolt-action rifles, less so on the extraordinarily firepower-heavy US. The uniquely American logistics and firepower advantage was the only thing that could have defeated the Japanese on their fortified island bases. Could any other army in the world have taken Iwo Jima?

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>>33791536
Finnish army could've done that.

>>33791536
Aside from Britain who could even get enough troops there by boat?

>>33786310
How does someone get that many medals in a place like that without getting killed? luck? skill?

>>33788329

HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>Having your tinfoil hat wrapped so tight you won't believe the war is over until you're personally relieved of duty by your CO 30 years after the war ended

This guy mistrusts the US government more than Dale Gribble

>F

>>33784739
This. The British pushed the Japs out of Burma relatively easy ( I'm not trying to drum up /int/ tier bants) because the Japs were not heavily entrenched, had places to retreat to, and had that ridiculous notion that dying with honour was better than running away to fight another day, so literally queued up in front of the bren guns.

In the Pacific theatre, the Japs were heavily entrenched, no where to run, and their ideologies counted in thier favour more.

>>33788329
This is why we needs japs to fight the Jews.

>>33787277
This picture disturbs me a little. I've seen some fucked up shit on the internet, but something about this gets to me. The stench must have been something else, and holy shit it must have been quite the shooting gallery.

>>33788105
Also a reference in LA Noire to our flamethrower friend.

>>33788816

i remember reading how much the army did in the pacific and wonder if the "marine focus" was a propaganda tool or did they actually do all the work?

are there any books about the British involvement in the pacific?

you barely hear about burma/myanamar and other places

>>33788329
>He was taken into custody with his rifle and bayonet in perfect working condition
What was this nigga lubricating his rifle with? coconut oil?

>F

>>33788487
>when he got back he had picked up a extra 1911 and a nambu. He gave them to my grandfather and he stuck them into his cast so they could get them back to the US.
Sad that war trophies and bringbacks are so difficult these days

>>33791536
Blockade by subs and magnetic mines would have cucked Japan to submission with fewer casualties.

>>33791221
Is that you John Wayne, is this me?

>>33792352
It's a fucking disgrace, especially when said collected weapons are handed over to the next bunch of shit heels will have to fight a decade down the road

>>33792622
pretty much.

when and why did we stop letting people bring home guns as trophies? even shit like bolt actions and semi auto only guns?

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>>33792254
Depends on where the fighting took place, with the War in Europe going on the Army couldn't have fought two fronts at the same time, the USMC was vital for a two front war

Now, say that in a strange twist of events, Germany had left Japan high and dry and not declared war on the US after US had declared war on Japan, then they would've felt the full wrath of the US Military, imagine all those Army Units, on top of USMC and Navy units, available to curb stomp the Japanese

Despite fighting ferociously, the USMC before WWII was really a raiding force, most operations consisted of sending a boatful of Marines towards some poor fuckers who had killed an American ambassador or Missionary

You can kind of see the result of the US trying to use a raider force as an Army in WWI, during the battle of Belleau Woods, it took the Marines almost 6 tries to finally break through German lines

They weren't too good at large scale attacks like the Army but God help you if they ever got close enough to fuck you up

>>33792709
so the marines were pretty much used like the navy s.e.a.ls are today?

>>33788960
What in the everloving fuck are you talking abut anon? Crew served weapons might be rifled but that doesn't MAKE them rifles.

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>>33792741
Kind of, keep in mind the US didn't really give a shit who saw us sending a group of Marines to burn a village to the ground or to crush an insurgency, we kind of wanted the world to know what would happen if you fucked with us

Maybe not high speed low drag like SEALS, think more like pirates in campaign hats

>>33788186
>implying any japanese survived to tell these stories

The US literally blew a chunk out of the Japanese race so big that 70 years later they are still completely neutered.

>>33789081
GODDAMMIT STAROS

>>33789081

>only Canadian character shoots himself when his real life counterpart was shot in the leg and later died during the Battle of Peleliu

was the suicide done for drama or something?

>>33788329
What a fucking retard
>all sides drop leaflets telling holdouts to surrender
>gets leaflets of family pictures and letters
>everyone else dies
>obviously there is no more military activity on the island
>continues to murder civilians and police and destroy property
>no military units searching for him for at least two decades
>returns to Japan and is praised by the public
>pardoned by president of Philippines
>joins a nationalist group that wants to fucking restore the Japanese empire
The U.S. should have used him as an excuse to keep nuking Japan until he came out of hiding, then the Filipinos should have thrown him out of a helicopter
>b-but he really believed the war was still-
Bullshit. He couldn't face the shame and consequences of murdering people after the war so he figured his best bet was to claim he thought the war wasn't over

>>33793138
It was based of Leckie's Helmet for my Pillow and he mentions that a Marine kills himself, the creators of the show probably just rolled him and Commando into one character

Shame, Leckie went into great detail about Commando and you'd figure they'd make him a more relevant character

>>33791536
Why didn't we just gas them?

I we were willing to nuke them (twice) six months after Iwo then why didn't we just drop wave after wave of mustard and chlorine on them?

I can understand not wanting to gas Okinawa but the empty islands like Iwo are perfect for chems because you don't risk hitting big civilian population centers.

>>33793154
i only watched the show but this got me curious enough to go buy the book

>>33793158
Treaties.