Since a Korean war is unavoidable at this point, what could be

>>33773590
Unavoidable, my ass. It's just Trump saber rattling to try and salvage his abysmal approval numbers.

>>33773614
If he dose nothing after all the threats, he will look weak, and his approval rating will sink further. His approval might improve if he does attack. The Syrian missile attack already gave him a taste of that.

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>>33773590
Just fukin nuke there nukes with our nukes so they can't nuke our nukes.

Missiles. A lot of em.

>>33773590
Nuke south Korea, that'll catch them dirty norks off guard

What was Oppenheimer's say on EMP? That's all the big noise with the Norks satellites.

>>33773987
That satellite doesnt even transmit anything. I doubt its anything more than a brick at this point.

>>33774024

Yeah I'm reading an old thread on /k/ and it's starting to subside the worrymongering I was getting from the media in my head.

To be honest I'd be shocked if we didn't have some kind of super secret system up there to knock out satellites. Not necessarily with explosives, just some kind of push into a terminal orbit. Do it when the satellite wouldn't hit us with the EMP. It'd cause a lot of drama but if we were doing it we'd be immediately bombing the Norks proper so we could obfuscate it.

In my opinion it's the only remaining rogue country who could put the US on their knees.

+20 millions brainwashed but educated citizens, a one million men army, two millions landmines. A full scale invasion would be impossible by modern standard, since it would cost so much in americans lives.


The best course of action is to pressure China to handle it and going full embargo with the sanctions, hoping that a high rank general, bribed, would take the power and start to open the country.

I can't see it happend soon and it makes you wonder if NK is starting to winning the War... Because if they manage to produce fifty nukes of a reasonable size, it's game over.

>>33773642
>If he dose nothing after all the threats, he will look weak, and his approval rating will sink further.
>Implying we haven't already seen that he either is incapable of understanding this or simply doesn't care

There's a difference between tossing outdated ordinance at a convenient target and starting a war. There is no middle ground in North Korea; unless the first strike wipes the nation off the map, it's going to lead to a far more involved situation than in Syria.

The man got into office on promises of "America First". He called shillary a warmonger and touted the fact that he would keep us out of conflicts like this. Thus far the Syria attack has been the biggest source of backlash from his supporters, many of whom still see US involvement in foreign affairs like this to be pointless, and would likely rather see the US withdraw completely from South Korea before we attack the North.

Also, as far as I'm aware, aside from the bogus claims of sending the Carl Vinson to their shores, I can't think of any direct threats Trump has made against Kim, at least not in the same vain as Kim has done to the us. I don't think he's a very intelligent man, but he's at least smart enough to not say anything too concrete on the matter. If this all deescalates, at worst because of China being able to out-negotiate the US with the Norks, Trump will still be able to say "Well, I never said 'war' exactly."

>>33774116
Anti-satellite missiles are already a thing.
The RIM-161 knocked a failed satellite down back in 2008

>>33774160

I'm not a Trump boy but the US can't let proliferate nukes with such a crazy leadership. If the US want to act it's starting now because in 5 years that's already too late.

>>33773642
The real person backed into the corner is Kim.
Threatening the world's superpower with nuclear war and to unify Korea.
If he acts on his threats then he dies in war or when the Chinese invade to set up a puppet government. If he doesn't then he looks weak to the North Korean people and risks them realizing the reality of their country.
The instant cracks start to form, North Korea will have civil revolt and war.
Trump doesn't need to do anything but apply more pressure until Kim slips up.

>>33774214
>If the US want to act it's starting now because in 5 years that's already too late.

This is what they say every fucking year. For fuck's sake, India and Pakistan both have nukes, and they seem to be doing alright. I'd rather give WMDs to some chubby gook manchild than a bunch of mountain-dwelling sandniggers.

>>33774116
Both US and China are capable of knocking down satellites.

Every country is so much of a showoff these days, I doubt anyone has any super secret weapon that no one knows about.

>>33774262
You're a fool then, much in the same vein as Obama who thought just sitting back would mean things worked out. They won't.
As a leader of the nation you cannot sit back and let those threatening you openly develop nuclear weapons.
Ideally, nobody should have nukes but the reality is we cannot undo that technology. We can, however, work to prevent even more people (Especially those who are clearly insane) from getting them.

>>33774252
>The real person backed into the corner is Kim.
Not really. Kim is not trying to conquer America. He has no reason to start a war and he definitely wont start one unless he has a huge stockpile of nukes.

>>33774301
Why in the world of god would you want to prevent nuclear technology
It is still by far our brightest future

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>>33773614
>It's just Trump saber rattling

>>33774145

I don't know about knees but they can definitely bloody us if they wanted to and badly. The 60-70k American troops in SK would be fucked if the Norks decided to make a push across the DMZ.

>>33774301
You sit back because there is nothing you cant do about it. You have to accept that Russia has nukes, you have to accept that china has nukes and you have to accept that North Korea is going to have nukes.
NK is not Iraq, you can't win a war there without either handing it back to china, or starting WW3 with china.

>>33774160

>I don't think he's a very intelligent man

Well, he outsmarted all the other retards running for POTUS, including a brain surgeon, so at least he's got that going for him. Trump also campaigned on "bombing the shit out of isis" so he was never anti-war, during the election his message was more that he was anti-unnecessary-war.

>>33774279
>>33774187

I forgot about the chinese missiles. I expect a lot of backseat driver crowing about how ebil trump is for starting a satellite arms race but these stupid fucks (and they exist on either side blah blah blah) would complain if he did nothing and San-Fran got nuked, and would complain if he did something and people died because people die when they get killed and that's awful.

>>33774318
That's why you stop him before he has a stockpile

>>33774373

It's a tripwire. Hard to back down and be a bitch nigger if we have our own getting bloodied, killed, bombed and god forbid captured.

>>33774401

He was just anti nation building, but also being in the hot-seat tends to change a tune as you get information and bigger picture knowledge the rest of us do not have. I felt like the Syrian missile strike was a positive example of him not compromising on his intentions but also not being an ideologue.

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>>33774438
Exactly. NK cant wait, they have no reason to start a war until they are ready. US cant wait that long

>>33774476
*NK CAN wait

>>33774318


NK has a lot of state owned shipping lines, they could for exemple smuggle warheads in to the US, because in their mind that would be one step more to secure the regime and their country. Why stop at a few ICBM ? That's called nuclear proliferation for a reason. They are too much impredictables to give them a free pass and it would set a dangerous precedent.

Decap strikes on Kim Jong Un, his Generals, communications, and rocket facilities.
Have artillery ready to conduct counter-battery fire when the Norks try to hit Seoul.

>>33773987
>>33774024
The DPRK doesnt have an EMP sat. Calm down.

>>33774401
>Well, he outsmarted all the other retards running for POTUS
getting elected is all about popularity and branding. He is good at that, that's what he has been doing all his life. He was definitely much better at it than his opponents.

But that doesn't necessarily make him a political or military genius. It is possible for one person to be skilled at one thing and be dumb about something else.

>>33773590
>Since a Korean war is unavoidable at this point, what could be the best preemptive strategy for US?

War is not inevitable. The only goal of the US is to stop North Korea from being able to use nuclear weapons to threaten itself or its allies. Right now, nuclear weapons are seen as an avenue for ensuring regime survival for the Kims and Pyongyang elite. The threat of military action is the only avenue we have for reversing this perception.

>>33774567

Bu-B--But homefront sed!!

Nah you're right.

If NK would follow the Iran route they must accept UN inspectors...they are way to paranoid to allow that. Imo NK is too much deep in their nuclear program to go back.

>>33774318

He could start selling nuclear weapons to the highest bidder. Al Queda or ISIS would love to get their paws on a 15kt weapon and sneak it into New York City. He would have some degree of deniability.

>>33774675
>He would have some degree of deniability.
No he wouldn't. They could tell where it came from. Nuclear Forensics is a thing.

>>33774675
China searches everything that enters and leaves North Korea.

>>33774643
NK thinks they can keep doing like they have been for the past two decades where they make threats, people give them attention and food, and they make no changes.
It seems like that time has run out. NK now needs to put up or shut up because the US and China aren't going to idly sit by and let them stockpile nukes or ICBMs.

Even China is over the DPRK's bullshit.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1043646.shtml

> If Pyongyang's unwavering pursuit of its nuclear program continues and Washington launches a military attack on North Korea's nuclear facilities as a result, Beijing should oppose the move by diplomatic channels, rather than get involved through military action.

>>33773614
Approval ratings that come from the very same people that lambast him on a daily basis in the news, the same people that said he had a 1% chance of winning, the same people that championed hillary 24/7 before, during, and even after the election. Fuck right off if you think this is about nothing more than approval ratings.

>>33774675
He wont back down from his nuclear program because, that is logically the best option for him. Selling nuke to ISIS would simply be retarded.

>>33774856
>He wont back down from his nuclear program because, that is logically the best option for him.

Unfortunately, that's why the US has no choice but to threaten a war with North Korea if we don't want them to possess nuclear weapons. Mr. Trump's approach, by reasoned recognition or the accuracy of a broken clock, is the right one for this circumstance.

>>33774791
>US and China aren't going to idly sit by and let them stockpile nukes or ICBMs

So its war then?
You do realize US cant win without immense causality. You think DPRK is bluffing, but the truth is US is probably bluffing more.

>>33774856
So is threatening to wipe out an American fleet or attack the US directly.
Let's face it, Kimmy's a retard and we shouldn't put it past him.

If he kept his mouth shut and developed whatever weapons with little attention then few would say anything. But because he went the full megalomaniac route, he has shown he cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Hitler defied the Treaty of Versailles because he kept quiet about it or lied, Kim is flaunting his violation of international agreements.

>>33774902
>So is threatening to wipe out an American fleet or attack the US directly.
It is not one sided. US sent aircraft carrier there, how else was he gonna response?

>If he kept his mouth shut and developed whatever weapons with little attention then few would say anything. But because he went the full megalomaniac route, he has shown he cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Hitler defied the Treaty of Versailles because he kept quiet about it or lied, Kim is flaunting his violation of international agreements.

No thats because he wants to use the nuke as deterrent, and does not actually want to use them. Hitler kept quiet because he was going to invade. nukes are no good as deterrent if you don't shout about it.
Also it is impossible to do nuke test without everyone noticing, no matter how underground you try it.

>>33774885
Of course there will be casualties but this problem is not going away anytime. Better to handle it now than when NK actually does have fielded nuclear weapons to use.
The North Korean Army has the following advantages:
-Manpower
-Artillery
-A few nukes
That's it.

In a conventional war it would be bloody, but NK will fold very quickly. Either as their forces are destroyed of as people desert. SK will take heavy damage from shelling or even a nuke at the breakout of fighting, but it's better than multiple ICBMs going flying, which can very quickly get out of fucking hand.
Either the US/SK/and Japan need strike first or an agreement needs to be reached with China that they will take over (Which creates a whole new set of problems).
As the way things are, they can only get worse and the longer war is put off, the deadlier it will be when it does eventually boil over.

>>33774952
>how else was he gonna response?
Try to negotiate or keep his mouth shut. The only reason there's CVs and sub sitting off the coast is because Kim was making threats and Trump is calling his bluff.
I know the US is not perfect but America hasn't been threatening to wipe other nations off the face of the Earth.

>>33774791

I think most people misundertand NK. They are more a national-socialist state with some fascist ideology to it than a commie one. That's why it's so hard too try to subvert them, they believe in the destiny of one people, one nation.


They had pretty bad food shortage in the 70/80's but today they are not starving, most far from it. They can smuggle a lot of things with their big chinese border, even forbidden stuffs like parts for their military vehicules and planes.

One drastic thing the US could do is to go the Putin way and cut the gas/petrol with a full embargo. But itself its already an act of war according to the International law.

>>33773590
when i was your age, it was a foregone conclusion that we were going to die in nuclear armageddon.

>>33774978
>cut the gas/petrol with a full embargo. But itself its already an act of war according to the International law.

since when? OPEC embargoed the USA in the 70s.
do you mean the word BLOCKADE?

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>>33774953
As for artillery it's really only their 270mm and upwards that can reach over the DMZ and into Seoul. If you can take those out, and stop any missile attacks, then you've prevented a lot of damage.
Push over the DMZ quickly and force the Norks back and they lose their ability to effectively hit the South. By that point you would have China and Russia surrounding the border to prevent expansion of war into their nation and the prevent Norks from fleeing.

>>33774970
>Try to negotiate or keep his mouth shut
You cant do that. When there is a foreign navy at your door, you have to respond strongly. There is literally no country in the world that would respond differently. Certainly not a country that has actual capability of hitting back.

The only reason there's CVs and sub sitting off the coast is because Kim was making threats.
No. the CV is there because of his nuclear test.

>>33774978
Anything the US does to defend itself/ its allies would be considered an act of war. NK may not want a war but they push for one because they think blatant threats are how you do diplomacy.
They're not going to back down on those threats or on making nukes so whatever happens needs to be done before they are on a relatively equal footing and have a deterrent/ weapon they can use against whatever nation they want.

>>33775006
If you ask some people the US embargoing Japan in the 40s was an act of war because it was essentially forcing Japan to seek expansion for resources (Even though those expansions were the entire reason for the embargo in the first place).

>>33774980
Just because a nuclear Armageddon hasn't happened doesn't mean it doesn't have a high chance of happening. Thats a very stupid way of thinking, I think you are going senile. And I said nothing about nuclear war.

>>33775076
It doesnt have a high chance of happening

>>33775040
Because the test was a threat in itself.
He is not supposed to have nukes, the international community has agreed on this, the Koreans have agreed on this in the past. Those actions alone are worth response.
The verbal threats to "Wipe the US off the map in a decisive strike" or to nuke South Korea or Japan should not, and cannot, just be ignored.

Kim has no foot to stand on here. He keeps talking shit and he's going to get hit for it one of these days.
This isn't the US being a bully like NK or other fools claim. This is reading the signs that show Kim is working to build a nuclear arsenal and has shown his intention to use it.

>>33773590
nuke everyone

>>33775121
>Because the test was a threat in itself
Other countries have nukes. Having nuke is his best defensive choice. You do realize NK is also at risk of getting annexed any day, it only normal for them to try to defend themselves.

>Kim has no foot to stand on here
what does that mean? you mean morally? He took the best step to secure his regime, US is taking the best step to secure its allies.

>>33775080
Maybe it doesn't.
But to argue that it doesn't have high chance of happening because it hasn't happened yet is retarded.

>>33775186
>Other countries have nukes
Others don't make threats with them.
People own firearms, but would you let someone who said "I'm going to go on a mass shooting with this" walk out the door with a gun?

>what does that mean? you mean morally?
I mean whatever he does to fuck his own people over is up to him but when he threatens the Us and its allies then he needs to be put in check. If he continues to make threats and works towards actions that appear to try to make those words reality, then he needs to be removed.
For the good of the Koreans of both nations, for the good of the region, and for the world overall.

>>33775220
>Others don't make threats with them.
Kim Only ever said that he will take the war to US IF US poses a threat to them, which US does. He never said he wants to bomb USA for the lulz.
He wont have threatened US if he US didnt have any military presence there. He never threatened to bomb Australia for example.


>For the good of the Koreans of both nations, for the good of the region, and for the world overall.
It wont be good for the country NK, which is what he and most NKs care about.

>>33775076
i laugh as the point sails over your head.

korean war 2: electric boogaloo is not a foregone conclusion. even if you think its inevitable

>>33775316
reunification of the korean peninsula under north korean terms has ALWAYS been the end-game

go back to redd.it

>>33775340
Ok so let me get your logic clear.
You are saying that,
because there has been no nuclear Armageddon, despite people predicting there will be,
There will be no nuclear or non nonnuclear Korean war.

does this not sound stupid to you?

>>33775316
>He never threatened to bomb Australia for example
https://thewest.com.au/news/world/n-koreas-kim-jong-un-threatens-australia-with-nuclear-strike-ng-b88453833z
He threatens everyone who criticizes him, which is nearly the entire world. Once he has a reliable ICBM he can threaten anyone he wants.

>>33773590

B-2s with B-61s to destroy front line artillery masses immediately threatening Seoul, and high-priority missile launch sites. Everything two CSGs, a couple SSGNs, the 7th Air Force, and the ROK military can throw for the rest.

>>33775370
reunification of the korean peninsula under north korean terms has ALWAYS been the end-game

That has nothing to do with US unless US makes it their business.

And the same reunification is the end goal of SK too. they never even draw their map as only SK.

>>33775416
>It said Australia was shielding a hostile US policy of nuclear threats and blackmail against North Korea which was the root cause of the current crisis on the Korean Peninsula and encouraged the US to opt for "reckless and risky military actions

Aus was aiding US, it makes sense for him to threat aus. He never threatened a true neutral country.

>>33775486
Because there are no neutral countries when it comes to North Korea. North Korea has NO allies and sees everyone but possibly Iran as an enemy.
That's not because of some Imperialistic American policy, that's because North Korea is a fucking shithole that even China is trying to walk away from. Just as the USSR stepped away from.
You act as if Kim is justified. Him taking leadership could have been a change for the better but he is just as bad as, if not worse than, his father.

>>33775536
>You act as if Kim is justified
Justified to what? If his goal is the survival of the DPRK as a country, he is taking the right step.
North korean people would probably be better off under a unified SK, but thats not really a trade off he is willing to make.
Saddam got overthrown even after cooperating with UN, so did Gaddafi, The appeasement thing doesn't always work.

>>33774827
For national polls, the polls that were taken in the areas that gave him the election showed him and Hilary neck and neck right up to the day of. Although if he doesn't do something soon his numbers will continue to drop, I think just today there were people saying how he might not get the budget for the "Wall". I think McConnell even said something akin to how it's never been an actual wall, just a general name for more border security.

>>33775699
He already gave up on the budget on the wall. He is just getting few millions for border security

>>33775633
Appeasement never works for any side.
That's why Kim is going to get removed before he becomes strong enough to pose a credible threat.
If North Korea cannot survive as a nation without nukes then they should not exist. They will be folded back into South Korea or annexed into China.

>>33775427

Bullshit SK wants reunification as badly as NK does. SK would be faced with feeding 30 million mouths for years while they work to rebuild NK into a democratic capitalist society. It would literally take them decades to undo all the damage the Kim regime has done for the last 70 years. That's of course assuming the people in NK don't choose to flee to China and live under some quasi Communist regime. Also what makes you think China wants a bunch of American troops right next door just needing to cross a river to make a push on Beijing?

>>33775880
It's another one of the North's threats that they will reunify the peninsula. In some hypothetical timeline where the North actually does win the war then they instantly improve their lives.
But obviously the South would win and they have no interest in inheriting the mess to the North. After a war I would expect the North to be completely surrounded and blocked off because none of South Korea, Russia, and China wants to deal with the refugees. Though if North Korean propaganda is any indication then there won't be many refugees since the North Koreans are like the Japanese of WW2.

>>33775756
>If you have to defend your country you dont deserve to exist.
This is the cuckiest thing i havee ever heard

>>33775923
>"We will nuke numerous countries and invade the country below us if anyone tries to stop us from being able to attack them"
>Defense
Please get a dictionary. If not to learn the meaning of defense then to learn more creative vocabulary.

>>33773642

He might decide to try, on the logic that America has never voted out an incumbent President during a war.

>>33775880

>SK want reunification

It's not true anymore, only olds people want it.

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>>33776012

I'm actually responding to a previous poster. I know the younger SK could care less about their cousins up north.

Uss michigan 154 tomahawk cruise missiles , Carrier strike me as one Ticonderoga class ship with 122 vertical launch sounds most likely Carrie and 29 cruise missiles, is escorted by two arleigh burk destroyers with 29 cruise missiles each. Giving us 224 cruise missiles.

Each missile has a thousand pound war head, thats almost a quarter of a million pounds of hurt..
Thats before you add in the 12 b1b lancers at guam 80k pound payload cappacity , and the 68 f18 hornets on the carrier with 18k pay load .

Now the total is 2.4 million pounds delivered on north korea.
But like a Billy Mays commercial there still more .

We have more planes in jappan and south korea.

Too many people fail to realize that pretty much everyone is fine with letting North Korea stay independent and do whatever they want. the UN may decry actions done by the government but nobody is in a rush to say there must be reunification.

It's the North that causes all the problems and always has. Incursions across the DMZ, shellings, the axe murders, sneaking subs into South Korean waters, assassinations of South Koreans, imprisonment of foreigners to try to get ransoms, and a whole other host of hostile/undiplomatic acts.
Anyone defending Kim is blind to history.

>>33776194
Well it wasnt kim it was his fathers. He just inherited an incredibly fucked situation , where he is fucked no matter what choice he makes.

>>33773728
Nukes for the Nuke God, Rubble for the Rubble Throne.

>>33776269
He may have inherited it but he's done absolutely nothing to improve it.
If anything he has made things worse.

>>33776269

Well the kid was educated in Switzerland and spend most if not his entire teenage years there. Rumors are he would skateboard around the presidential palace as a kid so he's hardly your typical North Korean. I had hoped the kid would actually have a good head on his shoulders and start making some reasonable decisions. But his grandfather and father put him in a no win situation if his regime falls he'll be torn to shreds by his own people or executed after a show trial. His only real option is to try and preserve the status quo.

>>33776451
Yeah really its a position no one envys.
You can see what the stress did to him in the first years alone, his gut practically exploded and his hairline receded. His paronia was almost all consuming and had constant purges, he wasnt made for that kind of pressure i doubt anyone is. Really his only good solution is he dies peacefully in his sleep of a heart condition no one knew about.

>>33775699
>>33775719
shocker, he made a compromise in order to ensure the budget would get passed in time. it's not like compromises have to be made that satisfy each party every single fucking time something is being voted on, since forever.

>>33774780
how did NK get the materials to build nukes in the first place if china manages all imports and exports?

Why not just use any and all weapons we've had sitting around since the 1990 and earlier. Done.

Now we need to make more! Go Economy!

>>33773590
>what could be the best preemptive strategy for US?

T-shirt cannons loaded with big macs.

>>33776787
If a guy in his backyard shed can make a reactor, I am pretty sure someone out of millions can make a bomb with limited materials.

>brrrrrrt.....brrrrrrrrrrrrt....brrrrrrrrrrrt....*click*
>Hello China, can you put the squeeze on North Korea so they stop firing missiles in the direction of Japan for afew months
>Okay, good thanks.
>*click*

thats it really, China doesn't want war in Korea. War in Korea means Korean Refugees in China, and they don't want anything to do with that shit.

>>33774145
This is BS. NK is a total mess. The regime gives off the air of total control but in truth the country is constantly plagued by stability issues. Kim controls Pyongyang and the frontiers around it but little else, the rest of the country is divided up between army generals who act as regional warlords.

There's a reason Kim almost never leaves the capital, the only loyal troops are there

>>33776897
I've heard rumors of the sex slaves causing STD problems as well in the lower ranks. This is without the cures being easily available.

>>33774145
It doesn't matter how many men are in your army if you can't feed them on campaign, just like it doesn't matter how many tanks you have if you can't fuel them. The way I understand it is that an invasion of the south is logistically impossible for the North.

>>33773903
Best post.kek

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>>33773728
>nuking china and vodka is the best idea
get off /k/ trump and start building that fucking wall now!

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>>33773903
1 loaf of bread has been given to your family

Along with my keks

Thanks Nork

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>>33773728

>>33774024

It would be pretty fucking crazy if those satellites just fell out of the sky onto the US tho.

>>33774145

> could put the US on their knees

Are you out of your fucking tree? We would eat the Norks alive and be burping up bones before they even knew we'd hit them.

Go home, Kim. You're drunk.

>>33778738
The only way to change their regime is through a traditional war of attrition.

Against an army of 2 million men. Anything short of regime change will just result in more missile development.

I don't think attacking North Korea without a draft is even possible. You might question their desertion rate, or whatever, but their landmines don't care who stps on them.

What about orbital kinetic bombardment? To avoid space based weapon rules, each projectile is it's own vehicle and loiters in orbit until they have all been launched and positioned over NK. They will only be up there a few weeks as they get around 10 or 20 into orbit so it would just be a huge tungsten rod with thrusters, batteries and communication gear.

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80 North Korean submarines

>>33778843

>loiters in orbit until they have all been launched and positioned over NK

you don't understand how orbital mechanics work?

>>33774145

Saddam had a 400 000 army and 600 000 in reserves in 2003. With better equipment than Kim.

How did that turn out for him again?

>>33778769

Communist countries are paper tigers. Most of his supporters would switch sides for food.

>>33773590
Massive paratrooper invasion along the NK/China border on the NK side. China wouldnt be able to "assist US forces" then. If we are going to invade NK we need to prevent China from capturing them. NK is to be joined with SK eventually, not used as a Chinese buffer.

The Chinks wouldnt dare risk direct conflict with the US, and the norks wouldnt be prepared for an attack coming from the north side.

>>33779027
>you don't understand how orbital mechanics work?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit

>>33779054
>Wait until night time
>Human wave attack right into China through the mountains
HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW GOOKS

>>33779201
>I have no idea what delta-v is

>>33779047

Taking NK for another 90' Irak is a big mistake.

Allowing norks to nuke the US coast would be the ultimate political move, sure the POTUS at the time sacrifices himself politically when he allows it but in the future with so many dead californians all elections will be won by republicans

>>33779899
Yeah, Iraq had the 4th largest military in the world at the time, with relatively modern soviet hardware, nerve gas and troops with combat experience from the iran-iraq war.

Didn't matter, once we gained air superiority we just stomped all over them.

>>33780022


Not the same terrain and people. I guess the US steamrolled in Vietnam too ?

>>33773590

>massive shock and awe against their vaunted artillery

sit back and giggle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHo7bqp3_Xw

>>33773590
Let the Norks attack. The normal American people don't have the stomach for a preemptive invasion of a foreign power right now.
We need to descalate so if/when something happens it looks to the world and the average American liberal its the Norks fault. That way we go in as the good guy.
If the South Koreas war crime like they did in the 50s we also have our excuse for staying there indefinitely.

>>33779899

believing communist propaganda is an even bigger mistake.

>>33774341
nice rebuttal lad well done

>>33780617

So you think the norks would desert like the iraqis ?

Genuinely asking.

>>33781677
Yes but for very different reasons. Their food and munitions would run and they wouldn't be able to fight.

>>33780022
You're right but Iraq's military was shit despite their size and experience. Arab armies are known for being useless whereas Asian armies are alot better. They'll still probably get steam rolled either way, but expect fiercer resistance. Also never underestimate your opponent. Better to be safe than sorry.

>>33776269
>open borders
>overhaul political system to a modern democracy/republic
>liberalize trade and economy
>embrace western values like SK did

I can think of a few routes he could have taken, anon.

>>33773590
Preemptive airstrike

>stealth planes bombing the known artillery locations aiming at seoul
>slightly retarded cruise missile strike/f-18 bombing of air bases/ radar/ sam sites to get as many targets by surprise with the less amount of retaliation as possible.
>once air superiority is achieved increase amount of planes supporting armour/infantry

>>33774145
Pretty sure the ROK armed forces would take the lead on any invasion, and short of the north using nukes on them, the south can do a pretty effective job of dismantling the armed forces of the "Best Korea". They are well equipped, trained, and motivated, plus having 37,000 American troops in country doesn't hurt either.

>>33773642
>If he dose nothing after all the threats, he will look weak

Well he'll blame obama and then go golfing during the week end.

So technically, he won't do "nothing".

>>33776194
China needs NK as a buffer state, they don't want a close ally of the US on their border which would be the end result of a second Korean war and the inevitable reunification that would follow.

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>>33773590

>>33774160
>I don't think he's a very intelligent man,
He's certainly smarter than you if you can't understand how preventing a belligerent country that has repeatedly threatened to nuke the United States from getting missiles capable of doing so is America first.

>>33774978
Literally every single thing written in this post is factually wrong.

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>>33775316
>He never threatened to bomb Australia for example.
He threatened to nuke Australia approximately five days ago.

And China and SK a few day before that, and Malaysia about a week before that.

The seemingly wilful ignorance of all of you "let's all just get along" faggots is astounding.

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>>33775316
>He never threatened to bomb Australia for example.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-threatens-australia-nuclear-strike-over-toeing-line-u-n749816

>>33780325
>I guess the US steamrolled in Vietnam too ?
Yes, quite literally. Millions of Vietnamese were killed.

>>33780325
Actually the US did steamroll in Vietnam. The crippling rules of engagement affected the outcome of that war more than anything else. When we rolled back and pushed hard (Linebacker 2) we brought the North to the bargaining table fast. Before that we (and the NVA by using them as cannon fodder) caused the Viet Cong to cease to exist as a fighting force. Casualties suffered by the communists were far worse than those the US suffered but the communists also didn't have news reporters looking for any story on casualties to send back home and also didn't have a large anti-war movement at home receiving funding from people with interests aligned with the USSR and China.

>>33773590
>what could be the best preemptive strategy for US?

I had an answer that was all about SpecOps but it's stupid.

SpecOps sneaks into nuke facilities and disables bunkered air defences, tomahawks take care of more visible ones once surprise is lost, then 82nd airborne drops on facilities and main approaches and blocks reinforcements as well as just assaults facilities with normal infantry tactics.

Something kind of similar happens in the relatively small area near the DMZ that has guns that can hit Seoul, ROK are probably the guys actually paradropping in though, after joint-specops do recon and plant charges or whatever, more tomahawks on the known SAM sites.

Both paradrops are escorted by Wild Weasel shit before and during of course.

There are F35s doing wild weasel and F22s just in case any actual Nork planes leave the ground.

>>33774978
>One drastic thing the US could do is to go the Putin way and cut the gas/petrol with a full embargo
No it can't, only China could do that.

The USA can't blockade the Chinese/Nork border, not without invading China anyway.

>>33779054
>The Chinks wouldnt dare risk direct conflict with the US
If USA decides to fuck with China in their own backyard, they'll risk direct conflict.

Especially if it's an infantry war, where things are way more equal and literally every home-ground advantage is in effect.

>>33773590
The top three targets have got to be the senior leadership (Inglorious Basterds style), the suspected nuclear sights, and the forward artillery pieces aimed at Seoul. After hitting those three targets it'd be interesting to see what comes next and how the North would react.

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>>33786129
>a division and a couple of operators against a 2 million strong army during the five minutes they would remain loyal
>U.S. / ROK suddenly have perfect intelligence about the location of every secret nuke site and AA placement

Wew

W e w

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>>33783108
I wouldn't put much stock in the nation who's elite force thinks it's smart to gently sail directly down onto their target in tandem

After reading this thread, anyone who thinks euros are any less dumb than Americans is either really stupid or lying to themselves

>>33786364

Actually I've heard their special forces are pretty good. They are all orphans and raised by the state from birth and are therefore indoctrinated from pretty much day one. They number around 180,000 troops.

>>33786364
that's like thinking the USAF spews colored smoke from their planes because you saw an airshow once, anon

>>33774978
You forgot the 90s mass famine and todays food production still cant meet their targets to feed their people. Get educated you nork cyber commando

>>33774145
Literally just being in a war would deplete all their logistics to the point of literal starvation for the military and populace.