Are they still garbage? Have they gotten them down to 2MOA yet?

4 M O A
M
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A

Get an AR and move on

>>33731799
But I have 10 ARs and a bullpup fetish

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>>33731799
this, please dont support kikeland with your shekels

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>>33731815
t. burgerstinian

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>>33731789
>Bullpup thread I guess.
I've heard that people are going to start getting their preordered MDRs in a couple of days.

>>33731789
Heard from friends in the IDF that these love to jam a lot. Is that true?

>>33731813
Get an aug

>>33731789
Why not just wait a few years for the RDB-S to be produced?

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Just picked up an FS2000

>>33734752
You could have used that money to have your FAL professionally unfucked.

>>33734658
You're pretending to actually know people in the IDF who would have experience with them, but you prefer to take the opinion of neckbeards on a somali wordplay forum who also make shit up?

>>33731813
I'm kinda in the same boat. I have a bunch of AR's but I want something new. I'm holding out for one of those Lithgow Atrax or maybe a MDR in year 2067

>>33734853
I'm in the IDF myself, but don't have first hand friends who have tavors. Only friends of friends.
My unit has m16s and m4s.

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>>33734752
Hi MRO bullpup bro

why are bullpups so dogshit on accuracy?
is it because everything is so far from the controls it's just inherently imprecise, or what?
the only bullpup with nice accuracy I can think of is the wa2000

>>33735496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FSYf5VFSwQ

>>33735473
That dog looks so goddamn excited to play operate.

>>33731789
Who cares as long as it is accurate to MOPC (minute of Palestinian child).

>>33735496
There are several bullpup marksman's rifles with better mechanical accuracy than the WA2000
In fact, the WA2000 is pretty mediocre by modern standards
There's nothing inherent to bullpup layout which makes them mechanically worse, though your note on controls is true - you'll never have a trigger on a bullpup as good as one on a conventional
There is one possible way around that though, which has yet to be tried - electric primers and trigger. No need for a transfer bar, no mechanical force to overcome, just close the circuit and boom. Not a popular idea though.

>>33735528
>bolt gun

An AR has 4 MOA too, doesn't. it.

>>33731799
Or you can get an Aug and have 1.5-1 moa with even shit ammo

>an M4 and an M249 both have 4 MOA
>So does the tavor
>you now realise the tavor is superior

>>33734658
>Friends
>Jews
I've got some bad news, anon.

>>33734888
>I'm in the IDF
Well, that explains a lot.

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Bullpup thread?

>>33737069
Nice bulletpupple which gay club are you in

>>33737044
Aug>tavor>m4

>>33737044
The 249 is a SAW you fucking autist.

>>33737154

I know.

>>33737285
So why are you comparing it to the Tavor/M4

>>33737304
There's no rule that says I can't.

Is it more natural to reload these?

>>33735496
Because they aren't...?

>>33737931
I guess it's fine if you want to look fucking dumb.

>>33737967
Reload what?

Just picked up an AUG. Anyways thought I'd have done issue with learning the reload but it's actually mad easy. The a3 models drop the mag when you hit the release too, although the best way I've found to reload has you so the mag anyway. If you train on one for even an hour you can be just as fast as any ar platform

>>33738106
Dam phone. . .

Has you strip* the mag

>>33731789
Yes, No
>>33731813
Tavor SAR
AUG
PS90

>>33738106
Can you reload The gun without taking it out off your shoulder

>>33738292
Yes, in fact it's easier on your shoulder. Also all done with your off hand

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We RDB nao

>>33738324
I'm a NY fag so I'll never know

>>33738379
Was stationed in NY, moved to CT. Active duty has its perks

>>33738395
Once I'm done with med school I'm going to try and get a residency in the free states

>>33734752
>thumbhole stock on a FAL
Goddammit now I'm imagining Faaru from Upotte in sexy underwear.

>>33735759
Electric triggers make the ATF all butthurt. I suspect we'd have seen them years ago if not for that.

>>33738413
Avoid conneticuck

>>33738601
Was thinking VT or NH but there's not much in terms of residencies

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>>33738331
I need a suppressor so bad

>>33737006
>has MOA
>>33737044
>have MOA
Fucking gas yourself you inbred idiot.

>>33734676
This

Or get msar Stg 556 if you want semi auto version for cheaper. They have ones that take aug 42 round mags and ones that take ar mags. Never shoulda sold mine.

Pro tip - don't get married if you have a lot of guns.

>>33731789
Its a bitch to clean too.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvwc4JlogYE

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I love my RDB, but I need to sell it to fund a move. It's CA legal if anyone cares.

>>33738649
Some of the NH hospitals are affiliated with larger ones in Boston (Wentworth-Douglas in Dover is affiliated with Mass. General), and the NH seacoast is commuter distance from Boston.

>>33737025
Kek

I'm an AUG fetishist and even I know that's not true.

>>33731789
Just shot my buddy's last week seemed alright

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Desert tech MDR when?

>>33739176
Tavor like the majority of Israeli built shite is a fucking mess. Literally stole the design from others like the Deagle and Uzi and some how made them worse yet more expensive.

That's kikes for you.

Steyr Aug will always be the better bullpup by a country mile. F2000 is also a ton better.

>>33731799

why is their accuracy so shit? i mean it wouldn't matter as much if it was a pdw / cqc weapon only. are they not expected to take shots out to 200 m?

>>33739192
Never ever

>>33739192
Q3 2014 like they told us, duh

>>33731789
They fixed the issues on later batches. It's around 2 moa now. You can tell if it's a fixed one if it has 2 ejectors on the bolt instead of 1. Apparently some people mentioned they had iwi fix their issues after sending them in.

I have a fixed one so when people were complaining i thought it was weird since accuracy didn't seem that bad to me. Not as good as my ar but still pretty decent. Found out later iwi had the aforementioned fixes.

>>33739217
What stolen design is the tavor?

>>33731789
I want one bad, but they're still trash.

Buy a $500 palmetto rifle and spend the rest on optics mags and ammo.

>>33734676
or the thales ef99

>>33739260
Long stroke gas piston from the AK

>>33739260
it's actually based on the uzi gal rifle prototype that lost out to the Galil. both are shit regardless.

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>>33734676

why would you get an aug over an RDB?

Not a jab at AUG it just seems awful expensive and brings less to the table

>>33731789
I have the SAR and it's a good, reliable gun. If I had to rate it, I'd rate it 7/10 (8/10 if you like bullpups). I can't hate on it, but I can't exactly sing its praises either. It's just...boring.

>>33738649
VT over NH. Have about the same laws but *slightly* better schooling up there

>>33739148
Sure is, I suppose I should say with match ammo you will get 1moa out of the box

The accuracy is a non-issue anymore. Apparently the crowns werent correct. People with older rifle can send them back to IWI to get them recrowned.
Any current rifle will shoot just fine. X95 are recorded to shoot =<2 MOA depending on ammo.

The accuracy meme still persists because current owners dont have the problems and IWI didnt make a big deal out of getting them fixed.

>>33739430
The RDB doesn't really have anything over an AUG except being ambi right out of the box.

>>33737044
Wow it's a good thing neither the AR-15 nor the "X95" on the American market are actually M4s or X95s.

>>33739539
They don't ship it with a 1:9 twist barrel.
It's got that going for it.

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>>33739569
Orly

>>33739637
Those are the early production models. Allegedly.

It was meant to have a 1:7 twist but they shipped the early ones, including the pre-production review samples, had a 1:9 twist. Their website lists it as 1:7 and as far as I know the ones being turned out right now are 1:7.

>>33739673
Yup. The first 100 were an oopsie.

>>33739569
>>33739673
you're going to be shooting 62 grain and under 99% of the time anyway, nothing wrong with 1:9 in that circumstance.

>>33734502
:^)

>>33734888
Welcome to palhatz, see you in reserve mate.

>>33739684
But a 1:7 shoots it well enough AND lets me shoot the heavier stuff. It's not something I would complain about if we were talking about an ar, but aug barrels are like $400.

>>33739736
how often do you shoot 77 grain
be honest

>>33739741
Once a year.
Every other year.
But I can if I want to and that's what counts in my book.

>>33739758
that's a foolish mindset.

>>33731789
can you make wepoens better with these instructions?

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>>33739785
forgot pic

>>33739569

better trigger pull as well

Also lighter and in theory much cheaper

My point is why presented with the two would you pay more for a gun that is at best as good

>>33731815
>What really happens to aborted fetuses

>>33734502
omfg.........
I didn't know this was the nostalgia thread.

And it was $10 to reserve it, it wasn't free fucko.

>>33734752
StG58 vs IMBEL full-CL FAL?
Pros/Cons?

>>33738805
lol fuggin REKT!

>>33734658
>My dad works for nintendo!

>>33731789
they were never garbage to begin with

>>33740232
5 M O A
M
O
A

>>33738953

How much without the optic?

Is that dummy suppressor thing permanently pinned?

>>33734752
Damn the FS2000 looks a lot better without that big plastic sight cover on it.

>>33737006
With M855 from a half shot-out barrel, sure.

>>33740422
I've had my tavor since December 2014. Never ever fte/ftf. It handles so well, perfectly easy to manipulate. Accuracy is decent. I'm easily getting 2-3moa benched depending on ammo. I did install tav d trigger and it made all the difference in accuracy for me although I didn't mind the stock trigger at all. Only other thing I have is aimpont t2 on it.
I am qualified to state these ireffutable facts as I actually own it. Now unless you can post a time stamp of your tavor then you and others are just silly memesters, bashing that which you inexplicably hate for no reason or hating because you can't afford it

>>33740838
tavor =/= x95
Fucking retard.

>>33741192

the tavor is just as bad as the x95. There is literally no difference between the barrel mounting design or action design.

>>33741192
They are almost identical, of course you wouldn't know as you never held one.
>>33741250
Why is it bad? How come it was never bad for me and why I am able to pop soda cans at 100 yards consistently with only an aimpoint T2

>>33741287
So identical that everyone with an X95 reports 4-5MOA accuracy vs 2-3 SAR accuracy.

>>33741313
I haven't shot x95, I meant internals and basic design features make it a smaller compacter lighter version of tavor. I have no intention of getting x95 because tavor to me looks million times better from purely aesthetically point of view, without even going into function

>>33741365
That's great, man. But that's not what we're talking about at all.

>>33741369
I was talking about how tavor is not a bad rifle by any metric as thread descended into bashing bullpups esp tavor etc. that's why I chimed in. I had nothing short of boring consistency with it

>>33734752

not a bad looking FAL, I'd use it.

>>33737285

>comparing a weapon not intended to be accurate to one that is intended to be accurate as a functional requirement.

>>33739569
>They don't ship it with a 1:9 twist barrel.
>It's got that going for it.
Unless you're shooting tracers or bullets so long you have to single feed the cartridge 1:9 twist is fine or even ideal.

So this isn't exactly the best thread to ask this, but I feel you guys might have some insight.
I'm looking to buy a nice semi-auto.
I'm an America fag and money is no issue. What is the most reliable and widespread rifle I could get? I'm looking for something with a common ammo type as well.

>>33745236
Uh.
AR15.

>>33745271
I should have specified I'm looking for something different. I'm sorry.
I don't need two AR15. My brother got me one to go shooting with him and now I'm hooked. I could just ask him, but I really don't want him selling me on shit he likes. I just want what is objectively "the best"
Again I could use websites or videos of enthusiasts. But I trust /k/

>>33745315

>But I trust /k/

This is a mistake.

>>33745315
>I just want what is objectively "the best"
weak bait

>>33745325
>>33745335
I'll just come back and make a thread a different time if it's shitpost hour.
>Anon asks whats a good gun because a lot of anon have good guns
>suggests common gun
>anon says he has it, what else is there
>/k/ activates autism for no reason.
Wew

>>33745315
If you want a not-AR15 semi auto, the next thing to get is an AK, specifically a WASR
then you got East and West covered

>>33745315
>I want the most reliable and widespread rifle, with a common ammo type
>but not an AR15
Get an AK, then, I guess?
>I just want what is objectively "the best"
>money is no issue
Oh, you want a SCAR 17S, then.

>>33735759
>>33738430
remington once made an electrically operated remington700 which doesn't use a solenoid firing pin rather a novel ignition method. theres a neat forgotten weapons video on it and the trigger is 10/10

>>33745380

>/k/
>not being shit

wew

>>33745380
>>>anon says he has it, what else is there
No, anon says I WANT DA VERY BEHST knowing fullwell that there's no such thing and that any dialogue to the contrary will spark an x vs y shitflinging fest.

>>33734888
>an ACTUAL JIDF poster on /k/

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>>33738430
Why doesn't the ATF like electric triggers?

>>33739535
>X95 are recorded to shoot =<2 MOA depending on ammo.
Let me guess: with 3 shot groups, right?

>>33745912
They are inherently machine guns like open bolt guns.

>>33745972
Bullshit, pure bullshit.
>>33745912
As long as it's one shot per trigger pull and not easily modified to auto they do not give a fuck if the trigger is electric.

>>33738419

It would be stockings and garters

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>>33746563
>they do not give a fuck
This is ATF were are talking about.

>>33745487
Would love to give one of those a try. Also worth noting, if we electrically set off primers, does that mean we can move the primer to be between the powder and the bullet? In the black powder days, it was said that was the best place to touch off a primer because then the black powder would burn "front to back", which means all the explosive force is just pushing the bullet. If you burn "back to front", like all modern cartridges, then you're pushing the yet-to-be-burned powder and still burning gasses and the bullet, and it also means muzzle flash because powder burns all through the barrel right out the end of it.

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>>33739795

>>33738331

P H I L L I P S
H E A D S

>>33747786
Name one time in the last 5 weeks where you've not had a philly head within 10 meters horizontal

>>33747831
I never really liked the forward ejecting bit. Seemed far too easy to jam.

>>33748288
It's literally just a troth the rounds poop through. I've never seen one fail on account of that.

>>33748297
Ever use it in wet/ice/muddy conditions? I'd be curious to know if it will be just as reliable

>>33735727
Never underestimate the palistinian serpentine skills though

>>33732645
I think that's old or innacurate. Mexico should be way up the list.

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>>33737069
>>33738795
I didn't know I wanted this until now

>>33745836
There's a bunch
>>33739712
Armor assisting infantry.