Why does nobody like 8mm Mauser anymore? >never caught on

it's plenty popular, it just never had the massive quantities of surplus like all the other main service cartridges had.

>>33690290
>ebil Nazi boolet
Vs.
>100% all american Nazi killer
Surplus 8mm was all over the place after WWII. You could go to K Mart and pick up a butchered Mauser and a case of 100 rounds for $20. After the UN Un-Nazified everything and NATO decide 7.62RFN was the law of the land mass ammo production for niche calibers stopped. And thus supply began drying up.
>then why is .30-06 still popular
Because everyone and their mother owns a rifle chambered in it. Their dog too.

>>33690290
>Why does nobody like 8mm Mauser anymore?
We do.
But it's experienced the same thing that's about tho happen to 54r guns.
Cheap surplus ammo leaves and it'll lose it's mainstream luster.

>>33690436
>surplus is the only reason people shoot x54

I wasn't asking about surplus, I was talking in general; and not just the US.

7.62x54R is still in military service and is plenty popular in Eastern Europe.

>>33690290
>why does nobody like 8mm Mauser
Because it's FUCKING AWESOME, HAS SOME FCKING COOL SHIT CHAMBERED IN IT, AND KILLS SHIT DEAD!

ITS FUN TO LOAD AND FUN TO SHOOT AND FUN TO FIDDLE WITH DRESSED IN JACKBOOTS!

>>33690290
it's my favorite cartridge what are you talking about

>>33690436
At least 54r is still cheap, even commercial stuff. 8mm Mauser is almost 20 bucks minimum, and that's for cucked loads.

>>33690537
thats a hell of a mental image you've painted there

or maybe im just ruined by 4chan but i picture you on a stool at a workbench reloading 8mm mauser wearing boots, stockings, garters, and nothing else

>>33690465
Because most nations that used 8mm went to something else long, long time ago so there was no need to keep cranking out massive amounts of ammo. 8mm is a fading caliber that no one makes guns for it anymore. Even Serbia stopped using it.

>>33690604
>cucked loads
Because Gewehr 88's are fun to shoot anon.

I'm actually glad for cucked loads for once.

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My LGS has non-corrosive 8mm on stripper clips for $12. It's great to be me.

>>33690604
$20 minimum, where the fuck are you shopping? I don't think I paid more than $16/20rnds at most

>>33690619
I actually do reload in nothing but underwear when it's ridiculously hot outside.

>>33690537
Wow, get gassed fag

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>>33690604
>8mm Mauser is almost 20 bucks minimum
Hmmmmm....

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>>33690310
>it just never had the massive quantities of surplus like all the other main service cartridges had.
But it did Anon; it was the most widely-used service cartridge from like 1930-1960. But with the destruction of the German military machine in 1945 it lost its primary proponent on the world stage, and so it was gradually superseded by .30-'06 (later 7.62NATO) and 7.62x54mmR because weapons in those calibers were distributed like candy by the West and the Warsaw Pact in order to influence nations across the world.

When the ex-WarPac nations began exporting all their old surplus in the 1990s they sent hundreds of millions of rounds of old captured German surplus to the USA. We also got tons of surplus from Israel, Spain, Portugal, and Turkey, and most recently Yugoslavia (the last country to still have 8x57mm in service). There was in fact so much 8x57 surplus that guys were converting their .30-'06 caliber machine guns to 8x57mm in order to shoot cheaply.

>>33690668
I was just going for the rhymes.

And I made a typo.
I didn't mean to put fck but rather FUCKING.

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Germans lost the war.

>>33690692
The fuck is that abomination and where can I buy one?

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>>33690290
tfw I bought 1500 rounds of 8mm while it was still cheap

>>33691007

I know that feeling.

>local general shop got a crate of Turkish surplus 8mm in
>he's selling for 25 cents a round
>buy 1,000 because why not
>he offers to sell me another 1,000 at 20 cents per round
>me being the idiot I was declined
>can't find it for cheap ever since

>>33690981
It's an early chinese (?) Air to air biplane defense rig. Just get close and mag dump full auto broomhandles

>>33690290
i like it alot, now stop talking it up or spreading its popularity i dont need my milsurps getting any more expensive

>>33690638

>over $2 a round
you are being had

>>33690290
I love 8mm Mauser. It's one of my favorite heavy caliber cartridges that doesn't beat the shit out of me, second only to 30-06 only because of loading versatility. Piss easy to load for, I just use Hornady match bullets.

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Quick! Post rifles in 8x57mm!

Not many military rifle rounds caught on. .30-06, 6.5x55 and 7x57 are the ones that I can think of.

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>>33691932
>6.5x55
Was used by exactly 3 countries (4 if you count Finland's use of rifles loaned by Sweden).

I didn't see 8mm winning any wars

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>>33692008
Israeli War of Independence.

>>33691989
We're talking commercial success.

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>>33690685
I miss those 70 round bandoleers for $25. I've still got a couple of the cloth ones laying around. All empty, sadly.

>>33691932
What about 7.62x54R?

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>>33692075
>I miss those 70 round bandoleers for $25.
I miss them for $9.

>>33692092
To an extent it probably has caught on. It probably won't make any more lasting gains in the American market though

>>33690310
>As an American, I fear that Europeans judge our society based entirely on the actions of dumbasses in California (at least at the moment).

Uh.... What?

It was the most prolific surplus caliber for like, 3-4 decades. When I was a you man it was $0.05 per round.

>>33691571

>10,000 RPM for 1.2 seconds

>>33690604
In Canada it's 34 dollars for 20 rounds of PPU.

That's the cheapest brand

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>>33692330
>>33692361
Ooo baby.

>>33692028
Kind of ironic desu.

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>>33692836
sexy

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>>33691866

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WTF are you going on about OP? You can still find yuge quantities of 8mm for dirt cheap. I prefer the German, Belgium, Portuguese yugo, and czech surplus stuff, decent quality and can be had extremely cheap.
Pic related my latest 8mm rifle. Got out to the range this past weekend and ripped through 500 rounds or so, even handled some german APT High Velocity stuff like a champ. Butta smooth. Now all I gotta do is decide what optic I'm gonna mount on it. Anyone got any suggestions I was thinking a scount style mount with some sort of 1-6x 24, maybe a trijicon accupoint/power. .308 ballistics are close enough right?

>>33690290
>mfw I find 480 rounds of 8mm on strippers for 80 bucks at an old LGS i used to go to.
California isnt all bad

>>33693484
>German surplus

that shit still exists??

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>>33691866
FUCK so close

>>33693594
yep google that shit

>>33690290
7x57mm

>>33691866
>inb4 m53
fuck i wanna build one bad but the lack of 308 conversions makes me not want to
Do not want to feed a semi auto 8mm

So ive seen 2 PPU 8mm boxes

one that 198g and one thats like 176g or something. is there any huge difference between them other than the obv velocity differences. Its for a k98 btw.

>>33693605
Away with ye you mongoloid!

>>33693710
only popular with Latinos

>>33693594
I would love to buy one ww2 original just for the sake of having it.. damm americans are love to be able to own k98s

>>33693734
Go with the 198g its closest to what should be fed to a k98.

>>33691932
>.30-06
Come to Alberta ever

>>33693734
It it's a PPU box and says "8mm Mauser", it's downloaded American-style 8mm

PPU does make "proper" 8mm, but it's labelled "8x57" on the box

>>33690290
it's a great cartridge, but most US made stuff is way underloaded. Federal 173gr is shit and costs 1.75/rd. If you want good stuff you have to buy S&B, PPU, or even Hornady isn't bad. Most of those are ~.75-.85/rd

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>tfw you bought 925rds of 196gr yugo surplus literally the second before the prices shot up like crazy

>I...I got 1000 rounds before the prices went up goys!
Who fucking cares? 1000rds is nothing if you actually shoot. It needs to be cheap right now for it to be a viable round. Whenever 5.56 NATO becomes a $1rd I'll ditch that too.

>inb4 just stockpile poorfag

sitting on 6k, point still stands that 6k rds ain't shit. it needs to be cheap for the round and chambered gun to remain viable.

8mm went the way of the Tasmanian Tiger. That's why I don't fall for the military cartridge means it's always available meme. Price check 45 Colt.

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OK.

>>33696193
>1000rds is nothing if you actually shoot.
1000 rds for a surplus bolt action is plenty if you actually have more than one gun. Even if it's your "primary" gun, that 1000 rounds could stretch across a dozen range trips.

>>33691989

I am a happy reloader of 6.5x55 for my Krag.

>>33696271
>I can go to the range 6 times guys!
>set for life!
way to miss the point.

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Better than going to the range no times.

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Just got it Monday

Waiting for my ammo to get here since I can't find 8mm at any of my local gun shops.

>>33696277
Wanna share some data?

>>33690625
But I want my k98k to shoot like it was meant to be shot.

>>33690647
16 after taxes is close enough to 20 bucks.
>>33690669
What about shipping afterwards?
>>33692301
Yuck, what the hell? How are other ammo prices up there?

>>33693484
Post source of surplus ammo or you're lying.

>>33694432
>PPU does make "proper" 8mm, but it's labelled "8x57" on the box
I've heard about this but haven't seen it anywhere.

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>>33696745
Because it's not available in the US.

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>>33690290
>why didn't 8mm catch on
Because no one used it after ww2.

308 is an upgraded 30-06, mandated for use by NATO.

762x54r is >Russian and why replace something that isn't broken? As a Russian guy I worked for said about everything that I said wasn't to spec, 'good enough for Russia'

30-06 is still around because it's been the most popular hunting round for a good while, and despite how much it hurts europoors America is the center of the [spoiler] world [/spoiler] gun world.

I don't hear you complaining about carcano or arisaka or 303 or 7.63

Fuck you I hate you. Kill yourself.

>>33696712
34 cad is like 25 usd, considering our smoller gun culture, it's pretty reasonable.

Also pretty sure Suka and blyat fmj is like 30 bucks a box.

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>>33690692
>>33690981
>>33691571
>>33692239

>You will never engage enemy aircraft with a dozen nig-rigged C96s at once
Why live

>>33697344
The internet was a mistake tbqh

>>33690290

Because Geo Politics means that everyone now uses Neato or 54Russian

>>33696673

Sure. I am actually reloading for two rifles, my own 1905-dated Norwegian Krag m1894, and for my dad's modern Sauer XT 100 Classic. The latter gets the default load for 6.5x55 Scan, but I cut down about 10% on the powder for the Krag since it's an old warrior - and I have been generally recommended to be a bit light handed on the loads for it anyway. Not that I haven't been using heavier loads at times. Currently I am loading with 139grain fmj and Vihtahuori N-160.

>>33697739
What's the charge weight you use for your Krag loads? That's what I'm most interested in, since even American 6.5 Swede exceeds the normal operating pressures.

>>33697799

Right. Well, Vihtahoury recommends 37.2 grains for this powder and that bullet as standard so that's what the Sauer gets. The Krag gets a leaner 34.2 and still rewards me with nice groups and no tumble.

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>>33691989

Bit more detail about Swedish 6.5 x 55 Mauser rifles in Finnish use:

For starters Swedish m/96 rifles and m/94-14 carbines used in Finland were bought, not loaned.

Finland bought about 77,000 rifles m/96 from Sweden during Winter War (Nov 1939 - March 1930). Once Germany invaded Denmark and Norway in April of 1940, the Swedes got really worried, hence the Finns returned about 25,000 rifles, which were basically the parts of last deliveries that had not yet been issued.

In addition Swedish - Norwegian volunteer unit SFK (Svenska Frivillig Kåren = Swedish Voluntary Corps) brought about 6,000 rifles m/96 and about 1,000 m/94-14 carbines with them to Finland during Winter War and left their weapons to the Finnish military when its troops returned to Sweden in March of 1940. Their equipment had been financed with donations gathered from Swedish civilians during the war and sold by Swedish military to SFK. SFK's rifles m/96 got returned to Sweden in April of 1940, but the carbines stayed in Finland - even if they did not see any real use after Winter War.

During Winter War Finnish military issued rifles m/96 mostly to troops stationed in northern Finland. During Continuation (June 1941 - September 19444) they were issued to coastal troops, anti-aircraft artillery units and home front.

In addition of rifles the Finns bought about 130 light machinegun m/21 (which was the first of Swedish BAR-version) during Winter and issued them to troops in northern Finland. SFK brought additional 204 weapons. April of 1940 Finland returned 105 to Sweden. The rest got issued to coastal troops for Continuation War.

In addition Finnish Army also had small number of Swedish Schwarzlose machine gun m/14. Dozen were bought during Winter War and SFK brought about 40. For continuation War they got issued to frontline infantry (mostly coastal infantry) until being replaced with 7.62 x 54R caliber machine guns circa 1943 - 1944.

In Norway, the Krag Jorgensen was the standard rifle from about 1894, phasing out some short lived military rifles and staying the standard until 1940 and the German occupation. There were a number of models but the caliber was unchanged.

During the occupation the Germans did their usual thing, reissuing the captured rifles to suitable units, manufacturing a few more as they did control the factory - quality was affected by sabotage of course - and they also used the ammo factory to keep the guns going.

After the war we were awash in German k98s. Swedish 94's and Krags. The British badly wanted to sell us expensive Lee Enfields, so that was what our part in the postwar occupation of Germany was armed with. But once the US support kicked in we standardized on Garands all the way until the HKG3A3 got here. The bolt rifles were gradually sold off, to shooting clubs and big traders mostly, and the many many hunters getting hold of a Krag would put on new stocks on them or scopes, while the clubs would upgrade the Mausers with new .308 barrels if the army had not already. Getting hold of a nice unspoilt Krag or k98 is not that easy any more.

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>>33698090
Fun fact: During an arms inventory of Finnish Army rifles in 1919 it was discovered that they had somehow managed to acquire more than 1300 m/96 rifles during their War of Independence.

>>33697916
Excellent, thank you.

>ordered AR
>transfer started last night
>still isn't complete

REEEEEEEEEE

>>33690669
>bulk is almost 4 cents more expensive

8mm sucks

>>33696285
No you just had a shitty point because anyone blowing through 1000 rounds of full power rifle ammo likely has more than one gun that they shoot regularly and therefore doesn't need to blow through 1000rds of 8mm like it's a personal challenge

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I've put 20 rounds of Romanian surplus through her and she shoots great

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>>33703107
>20 rounds

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>>33703107
Post more. Is that a Turk'ed Kar.98a?

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Only pic I have of my 98k on my phone.

8MM Mauser is a pretty good round. I think that it's been left in the dark for a while because 54R was much more affordable until a year or so ago.

Actually, these days I recommend people get Mausers rather than Mosins, unless they're looking at a really nice Finn Mosin like an M39 or M28-30. You pay about the same price for good ammo, and the rifles go for about the same price while you can expect similar accuracy/reliability/robustness of design.

>>33690659
i liked it better when you were wearing garters and stockings

>>33703461
Also, you don't have to deal with Berdan primers if you want to reload.

>>33692107
i want to sleep on your couch

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>>33703461
>I think that it's been left in the dark for a while because 54R was much more affordable until a year or so ago.
8x57 surplus was big up until the 2000s when the existing supplies of surplus finally ran dry. Back in the 1990s Turkish, Czech, and Russian-captured Mausers were babby's first milsurp bolt rifle because of the huge volumes of 8x57 being imported.

>>33703528
>you don't have to deal with Berdan primers if you want to reload.
Most 8x57 Mauser surplus is Berdan-primed.

>>33703528
If I buy brass ammo for either, I'm not dealing with Berdan primers. The only time I'm going to buy ammo these days is if it's brass and well-priced, because the steel/zinc-cased stuff costs too much for what it is.

>>33703579
Yep. I've realized that corrosive ammo isn't at all worth the cost. I originally had a pile of about 2,400, but after shooting it, religiously cleaning it, and seeing the damage it still managed to do to some internals (required a good 2 hours with super-fine steel wool and 2 bottles of lubricating oil to fix, because I neglected to completely deep-clean the bolt) I decided to sell the remaining 1,800 rounds.

The surplus stuff is nice but not worth all of the muck it leaves, and the corrosion.

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>>33703668
Do you live in a humid climate? All I shoot is surplus 8x57 and I've never had corrosion problems like that with it.

>>33703747
Somewhat... New Jersey, central near the shore. Unfortunately I was shooting the grimiest and most corrosive ammo possible- try early 1940s, Yugo-refurbed Soviet light ball. I recently put 60 or so rounds of PPU down range, and it took a quarter of the patches the same amount of 1940s dirt would have taken.

Beautiful rifles by the way. You really take nice care of that Yugo Mauser, and the K31 is a beaut. I really need to give my rifles a deep cleaning before I leave this summer, I've only deep-cleaned the Yugo SKS and M39 recently while leaving the modern rifles kind of in the dust.

>>33690290
>overkill for small-medium game (like all the deer species of Europe)
>rainbow trajectory
>most factory ammo is cold-loaded so retards don't grenade their gew. 88's and Kyber Pass-tier Hakims
>stouter recoil than many more modern offerings
>requires a longer action than shit like .308 without the powder capacity of a 60+mm case like .30-06
>very few postwar civilian arms chambered in it, lack of exposure=lack of popularity
>8mm projectiles have ALWAYS been kind of a bastard child in the reloading world, bullet selection is smaller and more expensive than .30 or .33cal
Basically it got outclassed by 6.5x55 and 7.62x54r in the euro market and the US market was literally flooded with surplus .30-06 from about 1920 on.

>>33696193
>he shoots rifle cartridges and doesnt reload
my nigga i got 7mm Mauser coming out of my ass

>>33690290
It's never been cheap or plentiful like those other rounds you described.

>>33704029
Yes it was, from like 1990-2010.

>>33704029
When I got my first Mauser in 1996 I could get ammo for it for about 9 cents a round. Which was cheap, cheaper than I could get .308 or .30-06 unless I wanted to deal with the fuckery that was pre-internet-enabled CMP mail order for Egyptian corrosive .30-06, but still almost twice as expensive as I could get x54r.

As far as availability, every gunshow had at least 2 tables dedicated to nothing but milsurp ammo. I'm talking hundreds of thousands of rounds, frequently still in their original wooden crates. Every LGS had at least a full crate of each (though you usually had to talk to the owner if you wanted more than ~100rds at a go), and I remember paying exactly $5 for a bandolier on strippers for 8mm mauser.

By 1999 nowhere local had surplus and gunshows were charging a quarter a round and a dollar for each stripper clip, they were subdividing crates into usually 20rd plastic baggies so they could sell the clips and crates (which had become in demand as a decorative item in and of themselves) separately. By 2002 you couldn't find any variety of 8mm locally and the only stuff available at gun shows was Winchester softpoints at $12-14 a box. Then Mitchell's Mausers kicked off with "found" surplus and it was available for ~30cpr again, but that lasted all of about 2 years. Then the election scare of 2008 really saw a boom in the ammo search engines and shit was turning up again, although for much steeper prices.

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>>33691866
Fucking love this one, gonna buy some Sellier & Bellot SP ammo for my next range trip since it's the only uncucked modern factory loading (2900+ joules muzzle energy) and it's the cheapest good option at my local range.
>only $21 per box
>other options are Hornady for $35/box and Hotshot steelcase for $20/box
>no PPU and Hotshot doesn't chamber properly in my gun
>local Cabela's has nothing but Hotshot and PPU
>Hotshot is $13/box but is extremely tight in chamber
>not using that shit
>PPU is $17/box for FMJ or $18/box for SP
I don't use Hotshot because the M95M has an infamously breakage-prone extractor and replacing a broken extractor would require tracking down another M95M for parts since spares don't exist (and never have).

>>33703486
Too hot.
I'd do it naked if I could but even I don't want to see myself naked.
Underwear only is bad enough.

Mausers are ugly

>>33690290
Because 30-06 and .308 is proven to be better than 8mm.

>>33690638
>non-corrosive

Sulfur powder and primmed surplus is always corrosive.

>>33696091
I really, really like this picture.

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>>33705422

>>33706571
Pretty much every cartridge that competed with 8mm back in the day were superior to 8mm.

>>33690290
It's too slow and has too much recoil.

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>It doesn't have enough energy but it has too much energy.
Fuckin' forces; how do they work?!?

>>33706873
>It's too slow
Not a fan of heavy ball if I have a choice, but my 196gr surplus still reaches out to 400 yard steel with ease.
>has too much recoil
I don't really notice much, if any, difference between it and my mosin shooting light ball ammo. I think it's pretty pleasant.

Besides the unissued yugo's

>ammo is to expensive

>commercial romanian (the cheapest option at around 55 cents a round) is out of spec and won't fit in guns

>abandoned by every military on earth for better rounds

>no ammo

>>33706873
Is 8mm slower than something like x54R or .30-06?

>>33690619
I need a Drawfag please.

This is hot.

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>>33703774
This one is actually Czechoslovakian, not Yugoslavian, and that's my K11. Here's my K31.

>>33707120
All depends on the loading.

US-made SAAMI-spec "8mm Mauser" pushes a 170gr bullet along at a measly 2200fps. German S-Patron pushes a 154gr projectile at 2936fps.

>>33690638
>>33690290
Mine has old surplus for .25c a pop
Too bad I don't have a mauser

I just got a Mauser as my first milsurp and got some surplus ammo with it, but I'm worried about shooting it since I've never used corrosive stuff before.
Is it really as simple as pouring water down the bore after a regular cleaning? And how quickly does it start fucking shit up if not cleaned up right?

>>33707120
Yes, but military spec ammo is all gone and expensive, commercial ammo is underloaded severely.

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>>33707408
>Is it really as simple as pouring water down the bore
Yes, and swish the bolt face in some water too. I put an automotive funnel in he chamber, stick the muzzle in the sink, and pour a cup or two of boiling water through. I boil it so that it will evaporate more rapidly.
>after a regular cleaning?
Before a regular cleaning, then a few dry patches to soak up any remaining water then you clean as normal.

>And how quickly does it start fucking shit up if not cleaned up right?
Depends on the humidity. If you live in a humid climate I wouldn't let them sit more than a few hours before cleaning.

It is THE hunting cartridge in Germany. If I find a nice 98er system I will buy one too I think, I still am one of the few hunters not having some rifle in 8x57.

>>33691571
>an early chinese (?)
Nah, it's clearly a WW1 austro-hugarian observer/gunner on what looks like a light fighter from early in the war.

>>33706873
>too slow
shoot at closer things
better for short range work in the brush
break out the .270 or 7mm Mauser if you want to hunt plains game

>too much recoil
basically the same as .30-06 or other full bore rifle calibers

>>33706946
>for better rounds
for rounds used by their sponsoring state (US or USSR)

>>33703934
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and it shows.

>overkill for small-medium game (like all the deer species of Europe)
Perfect for fallow & red deer, moose and wild boar and still okay for roe deer.

>rainbow trajectory
Completely irrelevant for most euro hunters, as most shots (mountain hunts not included) are under 250m.

>most factory ammo is cold-loaded so retards don't grenade their gew. 88's and Kyber Pass-tier Hakims
Maybe the stuff for murrica, but since EVERY rifle in Europe has to be pressure proofed with 30% over max gas pressure, none of that pussy shit is needed.

>stouter recoil than many more modern offerings
Less than .30-06 and thus comfortably in the normal recoil zone.

>requires a longer action than shit like .308 without the powder capacity of a 60+mm case like .30-06
Accepted.

>very few postwar civilian arms chambered in it, lack of exposure=lack of popularity
And here's your fucking retarded masterpiece. EVERY manufacturer since 19-fucking-45 has produced atleast 1 rifle in 8x57IS and it remains one of the 3 most common hunting cartridges in central europe. After the war, when civilians could arm themselves again legally, there were metric fucktons of Mausers floating around chambered in 8x57IS. Every european manufacturer has this as one of their standard calibers along with .30-06 and .308.

>8mm projectiles have ALWAYS been kind of a bastard child in the reloading world, bullet selection is smaller and more expensive than .30 or .33cal
Accepted.

6,5x55 has only ever been popular in Scandinavia and definitely NEVER outclassed 8x57IS anywhere except there. 7,62x54R is the same shit. Outside of the eastern european fringe zones nobody ever used that shit and accordingly there's next to no hunting ammo for it while there's 3 times the amount for 8x57IS.
Shit, people liked the cartridge so much they even made a rimmed version with more offerings than 6,5x55 and 7,62x54r combined.

Fuck, u stupid nigga.

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>>33704146
>uncucked modern factory loading (2900+ joules muzzle energy)
What is it with murricans and cuck loads?
I have never even found a single 8x57 load under 3,5k Joule. The wimpiest ones I've seen where at least 3,6k, while most hover comfortably around 4k joules.
Is it because of yome stupid liability shit where the manufacturer could get sued or what?

>>33708317
Fuck if I know.

It must be the fudds, 'cause I want full loads so bad and they're so hard to find.

>>33708317
>What is it with murricans and cuck loads?
It was to sabotage European calibers for the American market. SAAMI is an industry association, not a international governmental body like the CIP. They deliberately reduced the maximum "safe" pressures for Euro calibers in order to make their home-grown cartridges and firearms seem superior.

>>33708317
>What is it with murricans and cuck loads?

The weak 8mm loadings in the US are so people can safely shoot 8mm Mauser in their Gewehr 88's without their rifles exploding.

Or more specifically, to prevent dummies shooting the wrong ammo in the wrong rifle from suing ammo manufacturers when their rifle explodes.

>>33707408

I just clean normally, but I do use Hoppes #9. Water is not necessary. You just have to dissolve all of the corrosive primer salts. Never had any rust, and I basically only shoot corrosive out of my milsurp.

>>33690604
>7.62x54R
>cheap

dude all i see is .40cents a round, thats 10cents cheaper than .308 surplus.

i would much rather own a .308 than some russian cartrige we cant get right now because "hurr muh Ukraine".

who gives a fuck send me surplus shit.

>>33711225
I've got about 4000 rounds you can have at $0.30/rnd.

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>>33690345
>tfw first hunting dog came with a beat up and chopped Savage as my 12th birthday present
>used to call it my dog's rifle because he was responsible for most of the work
>dog died
>years later my beat up savage got stolen along with the safe I kept his tag in
Time to cry again.

>>33703668
Not sure if this is applicable, but I've put about 600 rounds through my Mosin and the barrel is as perfect as ever, despite every one of those rounds being corrosive. I just put a bunch of Windex with ammonia through the barrel and spray the important bits of the bolt down as well, followed by a normal cleaning.

>>33711647
soulda mad sure it couldnt get stolen faggot or at least kill the person who earned it