NVA Thread

so were they forced to join or were they just that cucked at that point

>>33676261
Conscription was used later on

But initially it was a volunteer force

>>33676247
Did they ever had plans to revolt against the Soviet like the other Warsaw Pact nations that did? What about if WWIII did happened?

>>33676448
I know they reached their peak numbers as they supported the suppression of the Prague spring, and were even planned to assist in the occupation of Czechoslovakia (which they never did)

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>>33676448
IIRC out of all the WARPAC members the Ossies had one of the strongest relationships with the Soviets. They certainly weren't like Romania.

>>33676448
No. After Bulgaria East Germany was the most loyal warsaw pact state.

In the 1980s Honecker actually fought Gorbachev to not reform and open up to the west so much.

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It would be neat to get an MPi KM

>>33676662
It's because the east Germans were all reject soviet rape babies. Tainted blood leads them to have a longing to be accepted by their own conquerers. Total cucks lmao.

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Interesting that the DDR was very loyal to the USSR. But I guess in their own way it was like the Western Germans being thankful to the US and UK for helping them rebuild after the war.
Political indoctrination aside, there did seem to be a real liking between Eastern Germans and Soviets.

>>33676731
Yeah it would be nice. I saw the furniture in a gun show once but didn't but it since I don't have an AK. Maybe someday.
East Germany really didn't make too many guns of their own. Mpi-KM, Makarovs, etc. Standard Warsaw Pact stuff with a little bit of different look depending on which member made it.

But the Wieger StG 940 was definitely thinking ahead. Having plans for both 5.56 NATO and 5.54x39mm versions that could be produced depending on which way East Germany fell off the fence. Either to reunification or staying with the Warsaw Pact.

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>>33676731
the furniture is pretty cheap, just throw it on your AK.

>33676768
no (You)s for (You), genossen.

>>33676731
Wouldn't be hard to find one for sale in online stores

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>>33676793
>5.54x39
My bad. 5.45x39mm.

>>33676793
They produced a decent amount for a contract to give the Indians (If I recall it was 3,000 rifles, maybe more) however the reunification basically destroyed the East German firearms business against H&K. The rifles were then inspected and were all destroyed. I know IO made reproduction furniture, they also had Cugir make repros in 5.56 and in 7.62x39

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>>33676850
I've seen a few East German rifles (or at least ones with East German furniture) turn up in the hands of ISIS. I'll see if I can find a pic.

On the topic of East German rifle furniture. How did their handguards work? I've seen numerous combinations with bakelite and wood, all bakelite, all wood. does anyone know what the standard issue was?.

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Found it.

>>33676895
Most of the East German AKs were sold to Iraq I believe.

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>>33676942
Forgot to mention the Source I found it says it's a "Turkish backed member of the FSA", not ISIS. so did Turkey get East German guns at some point and then hand them out later on?

I don't want to derail the thread either. So no more Middle East stuff. Back to NVA.

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Apparently most of these were destroyed despite being only in .22 Long Rifle and they're ridiculously rare.

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>>33676956
Yes we did get Ddr ak stocks and a lot of btr in the 90's and we probably hand those to Fsa and they probably hand those to Isis

>>33676959
are they fully-automatic? It has a three-position fire selector.

>>33676949
That could be an explanation. A lot of NVA stuff was sold off by unified Germany and during that time Iraq was somewhat an ally.

>>33676983
Yea. S, D, E,

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>>33676975
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Also a pic of East German Fallschirmjager. They would caused a lot of havoc in the event of war.

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Hello, this is one again autistic /k/ anon. Today we will discuss "what did East Germany have?" at the time of the fall of the Berlin wall:

>Ground Forces: 108,000 Active, 268,000 Reserve
-Tanks: 2,800 (549 T-72M, 2,251 T-54/55)
-Light Tanks: 120 (PT-76)
-APC: 3,370 (1,480 BTR-60P, 1,128 BTR-70, 762 BTR-152)
-IFV: 1,130 BMP-1, 24 BMP-2
-Recce: 2,000 (880 BRDM-2, 200 BRDM-1, 920 FUG)
-Self-Propelled Guns: 470 (374 2S1 122mm, 96 2S3 152mm)
-Towed Guns: 1,881 (64 D-48 85mm, 267 T-12 100mm, 155 BS-3 100mm, 395 D-30 122mm, 407 M-30 122mm, 180 A-19 122mm, 176 M-46 130mm, 137 D-20 152mm, 100 ML-20 152mm)
-MLRS: 377 (60 BM-21 122mm, 267 RM-70 122mm, 50 BM-13 132mm)
-SSM: 22 Launchers (22 FROG-7, 8 SS-21, 2 SS-23)
-Army AD: (40 SA-4, 60 SA-6, 41 SA-8, 85 SA-9)
-AAA: 1,093 (131 ZSU-23-4 23mm SP, 250 ZPU 14.5mm, 300 ZU-23-2 23mm, 120 61-K 37mm, 244 S-60 57mm, 48 KS-19 100mm)
-ATGM: AT-5, AT-4, AT-3
-MANPAD: SA-7, SA-14, SA-16
-Helicopters: 119 (51 Mi-24, 60 Mi-8, 8 Mi-2)

>Air Force: 38,000 Active, 37,000 Reserve
-Fighters: 195 (24 MiG-29, 18 MiG-23BN, 30 MiG-23, 100 MiG-21F/MF/PF/U, 23 Su-22)
-Recon: 22 MiG-21R
-Transport: 24 An-2, 12 L-410, 3 An-14, 12 An-26
-VIP Transport: 3 Tu-134, 2 Tu-154, 3 Il-62
-Training: 20 Zlin Z-43, 52 L-39
-Heli: 30 Mi-8
-SAM Batteries: 48 (35 SA-2, 9 SA-3, 4 SA-5)

>Navy: 16,000 Active, 18,000 Res.
-Light Frigates: 3 (Koni)
-Corvettes: 16 (Parchim)
-FAC (Missile): 15 (5 Tarantul, 10 Osa-I)
-FAC (Torpedo): 12 (6 Shershen, 6 Libelle)
-Amph.: 12 Frosch LSM
-Mine:: 24 Kondor-II
-Aviation: (23 Su-22, 14 Mi-14, 13 Mi-8)
-Coastal Artillery: 2 P-15 Batteries, 50 ML-20 152mm Guns, 20 S-60 57mm AAA

>Border Guard: 42,000
-AFV's: 24 T-54, 122 BTR-60, 200 BRDM-2/FUG
-Artillery: 30 D-48 85mm, 20 T-12 100mm, 8 BM-21 MLRS
-Helicopters: 17 Mi-8, 6 Mi-2
-Boats: 18 Kondor-I

>Police Alert Units: 8,000
>Transport Police: 6,000
>Civil Defense: 1,300
>Worker's Militia: 60,000

I have this same kind of info on miost militaries post-1970s and my autism knows no bounds

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>>33676956
Turkey received 300,000 Kalashnikovs. The Turks had to promise that these weapons would not be used against the Kurds.
A shame - my old weapon in the hands of the cockroaches.
60/5000
Meintest du: Die bekamen auch unsere Stahlhelme. Schaut diesen Idioten an
They also got our steel helmets.
Look at this idiot

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>>33677027
based autistic /k/amerad

>>33677060
>pic
goddammit

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>>33677027
That's awesome!
Screencapped for future reference.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW-EanyHJF8

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https://youtu.be/hEJsVwDiN68

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Not nearly as good as the original Soviet song, but any East German music found is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEYWCrzbVco

>>33677027
>Police Alert Units: 8,000
>Transport Police: 6,000

Were these the equivalent of basic police like patrol and physical security units, or the stasi spy spooks?

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>>33676247

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>>33677874
the transportation police was its own separate branch that did just what the name suggests. they were called the TransPo.

pic related

>>33677095
Fuck, the raindrop camo is really nice

>>33677027
>>33677914
Were Stasi forces (Interior troops, Felix Dzerzhinsky Regiment) lumped in with the "Ground Forces" section?

>>33677979
I forgot to include the Stasi actually. My source for paramilitary was published right after the stasi were abolished. The People's Police Alert Units were the interior troops.

Stasi regiment had 7,000 active men in 1989 with 20 BTR-60, 80 FUG armored cars, 12 D-30 122mm Howitzers, 30 BS-3 100mm anti-tank guns, 20 D-48 85mm anti-tank guns, 26 ZU-23-2 23mm AAA, and 24 120mm Mortars

>>33677874
The main point of the transportation police was to keep the highways and roads clear in the event of war for Soviet troops.

In peacetime they basically would cause traffic jams and you had to bribe them.

>>33677914
Just looked them up. The blue uniforms are nice.
Also kind of crazy that Transit Police would have RPGs.

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>>33678007
Great. Thanks. Which book(s) are you using? I haven't seen too much (At least in English) about the East German military.
All I have is a book about the Soviet military from the mid-1970s that has a small section on other Warsaw Pact members.

>>33678068
military balance 1990, military balance 1988-89

>>33676895
>On the topic of East German rifle furniture. How did their handguards work? I've seen numerous combinations with bakelite and wood, all bakelite, all wood. does anyone know what the standard issue was?.
It's actually plastic, not normal Soviet style Bakelite/AG4. They started with all plastic, then they realized plastic on the gas tube melts so they went to a wood upper handguard that was colored to match the plastic lower handguard. I'm not sure where all wood handguards fit in the timeline though. I know the majority of exported East German AKMs were wood and not plastic (EG AKMs were some of the most exported AKMs of all combloc states, fun fact Finland bought a ton of EG AKMs from reunified Germany and they're still in Finnish inventory as reserve rifles)

>>33676895
I'm pretty sure it uses the same handguards retainers as any stamped AK, while the top is the gas tube. Afterall, they were licensed AKMs and Ak74s

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>>33678073
Neat.

Looking for pictures and I found this. Caption says it's right before or after the Wall fell.
I know the NVA was preparing to modernize a lot in the 1990s, which obviously never happened since everything became Bundeswehr.
But here looks like one of the few new uniforms. A field cap and patch with the national flag. I wonder what things would look like now if Germany were still split.

>>33677900
That reminds me, didn't they had those in service for a while until the Soviets fitted them with Slavshit?

>>33678161
Probably like North Korea but less radical and more mellow between the two groups.

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I'm currently making a 72nd scale T-72M.
Did the east germans have any camouflage scheme that isn't just plain green?

>>33677027
nice info friend. got the same info for czecheslovakia and poland at the same time? thx

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>>33678161
How the incorporation of the two armies worked? I mean, I know that Germany sold alot of the soviet equipament to third worlders, what I really want to know is about the NVA former personnel; did the majority of the members was incorporated to the Bundeswehr? If so, did there was any change in their hierarchy?

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>>33678205
For its time the NVA had some near top of the line stuff. I've heard they were talking of getting T-80s.
They had resources of their own and allies. They were not some idiotic nation that burned every friendship it had like North Korea.

>>33678241
I've only seen green with the black rubber side skirts.

>>33678652
That's an interesting question. Maybe some infantry transferred over and continued, but much of the Generals and other officers retired. They rose in a system where party loyalty and unquestioning faith were qualities looked for, to go from that to a practically foreign system would have been just as much of a shock for the military as East German civilians seeing the West for the first time.
Also some Stasi personnel got charged with crimes or fled.

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>>33678789
>I've only seen green with the black rubber side skirts.
You are like a child.

Watch this.

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>>33678843
OwO

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ynTsskKL8g

>>33678304
Czechoslovakia
>Ground Forces: 126,000 Active, 250,000 Reserve
-Tanks: 4,000 (815 T-72, 3,090 T-54/55, 50 T-34)
-APC: 3,333 (1,568 OT-64, 464 OT-62, 642 FUG, 333 Sd.Kfz.251)
-IFV: 2,495 (242 BMP-2, 2,252 BVP-1)
-Recce: 1,250 (970 BRDM-2, 280 FUG)
-Self-Propelled Guns: 528 (148 2S1 122mm, 360 Dana 152mm, 12 2S7 203mm, 8 2S4 240mm)
-Towed Artillery: 2,123 (559 vz.53 100mm, 120 A-19 122mm, 995 M-30 122mm, 258 D-30 122mm, 113 M-46 130mm, 48 ML-20 152mm, 30 D-1 152mm)
-MLRS: 854 (466 RM-70 122mm, 388 RM-51 130mm)
-SSM Launchers: 78 (36 FROG-7, 30 Scud-B/C, 8 SS-21, 4 SS-23)
-ATGM: AT-3, AT-4, AT-5
-MANPAD: SA-7, SA-14, SA-16, SA-18
-Army AD (SAM): (40 SA-4, 40 SA-6, 31 SA-8, 69 SA-9, 30 SA-13)
-Army AD (AAA): 680 (300 M-53/59 30mm SP, 220 vz.36 20mm, 160 S-60 57mm)

>Air Force: 45,000 Active, 45,000 Reserve
-Fighters: 290 (20 MiG-29A/UB, 35 MiG-23BN, 35 MiG-23MF, 145 MiG-21/U, 20 Su-22, 35 Su-25)
-Recon/EW: 5 L-29, 16 MiG-21RF, 10 Su-22R, 2 Tu-134 (EW)
-Transport: 16 An-24, 30 L-410, 2 An-12
-VIP Transport: 1 Tu-134, 5 Il-14
-Trainers: 140 (60 L-39, 30 L-29, 30 Z-43, 20 Z-526)
-Helicopters: 165 (60 Mi-24, 30 Mi-2, 75 Mi-8)
-SAM Batteries: 40 (26 SA-2, 12 SA-3, 2 SA-5)

>Border Guard: 13,000
-20 BVP-1 IFV, 70 OT-64 APC, 20 OT-62 APC, 6 Mi-2 Helicopters
>National Security Corps: 9,000
-40 OT-64 APC, 60 FUG AFV
>Civil Defense Troops: 3,200

>>33678304
Poland:
>Ground Forces: 234,200 Active, 420,000 Reserve
-Tanks: 2,900 (750 T-72, 2,150 T-54/55)
-Light Tanks: 60 PT-76
-IFV: 1,312 (1,250 BMP-1, 62 BMP-2)
-APC: 2,000 (930 OT-64, 1,070 OT-62)
-Recce: 900 (500 BRDM-2, 300 FUG)
-Self-Propelled Guns: 599 (498 2S1 122mm, 93 Dana 152mm, 8 2S7 203mm)
-Towed Guns: 1,343 (380 D-44 85mm, 15 T-12 100mm, 782 M-30 122mm, 166 D-20 152mm)
-MLRS: 262 (232 BM-21 122mm, 30 RM-70 122mm)
-SSM Launchers: 82 (52 FROG-7, 30 Scud-B)
-ATGM: AT-3, AT-4, AT-5, AT-7
-MANPAD: SA-7, SA-14
-Army AD (SAM): 260 (40 SA-4, 73 SA-6, 45 SA-8, 66 SA-9, 36 SA-13)
-Army AD (AAA): 1,000 (150 ZSU-23-2 SP, 160 ZPU 14.5mm, 350 ZU-23-2 23mm, 120 61-K 37mm, 220 S-60 57mm)

>Air Force: 83,000 Active, 75,000 Reserve
-Fighters: 527 (12 MiG-29A/UB, 40 MiG-23MF, 310 MiG-21/U, 135 Su-22, 30 Su-7)
-Recce: 35 MiG-21RF
-Transport: 9 An-2, 12 An-26, 5 An-28, 12 Il-14, 20 An-12
-VIP Transport: 2 Tu-134, 12 Yak-40, 1 Il-18, 25 PZL-104
-Trainers: 108 (50 TS-8, 50 TS-11, 7 PZL-130)
-Helicopters: 211 (40 Mi-24, 100 Mi-2, 50 Mi-8, 10 W-3, 3 Mi-6, 8 Ka-26)
-SAM Batteries: 116 (74 SA-2, 40 SA-3, 2 SA-5)

>Navy: 20,000 Active, 10,000 Reserve
-Destroyer: 1 (Mod. Kashin)
-Corvettes: 1 Kaszub
-FAC (Missile): 15 (4 Tarantul, 11 Osa)
-Patrol Boats: 4 Obluze
-Mine Warfare: 32 (12 Krogulec, 7 T.43, 11 Notec, 2 Leniwka)
-Amphibious: 35 (2 Lublin LSM, 32 Polnochny LSM)
-Submarines: 3 (1 Kilo, 2 Foxtrot)
-Naval Aviation: (26 MiG-21, 11 Mi-14, 10 Mi-8)
-Coastal Artillery: (9 P-15 AShM, 36 ML-20 152mm)

>Territorial Defense Forces: 65,000
>ZOMO: 10,000
-20 BRDM-2, 20 OTR-64, 30 FUG, 5 Mi-2
>Border Guard: 15,000
-40 FUG APC, 18 Patrol Boats, 8 Mi-2
>ORMO: 150,000

>>33676376
that's quite the stylish scooter he has

>>33678161
My guesses:
-Ditch the M56 Stahlhelm for something with a smaller profile or keep the same shape but go to a different material than steel
-Still using Strichtarn but also develop a newer, slightly more elaborate, pattern
-Move to plate carriers instead of older style German Y-strap webbing
-Standard rifle is the StG-940
-Stasi forces use AN-94
-MBTs are T-80 or T-90, T-72M take the place of T-55 in the reserves
-Air Force gains Su-25s, more MiG-29s, and possibly some Su-27s

Not very much room for originality if they remain a member of the Warsaw Pact and have to keep the same equipment as the Soviet Union/ Russia. They may have been able to get away with having their own rifle since it still was derived from the AK (Same ammo and same controls).
You look at an independent DDR and the sky's the limit for what they come up with.

>>33677027
This reminds me how many T-55s where built.

>>33679245
wrong NVA, mate

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OH SHIT! IT'S THE VOPO!
Act cool.

>>33677027
Small correction but looks like they did have the T-80 after all ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgOXmiAbsM

>>33679530
Thats the GSFG/WGF

>>33679564
I miss the DDR man (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

>>33679530
I don't think those are East German. The Soviets had more tanks in East Germany than the East Germans had in total. Plus, the uniforms in that video looked Soviet. You can see the red shoulder boards.
Just checking Wikipedia says some Russian forces remained in Germany until 1994- after both the Soviet Union and East Germany ceased to be.
That engine noise though. My god it is awesome.

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>>33679605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcHkX_8rmE8

>>33677060
Are those helmets any good? I heard that they were designed toward the end of WW2 but Hitler thought they were ugly.

>>33680147
Very good for shrapnel protection, sloping deflects some blows (and allegedly some pistol bullets) wide bring is good for when it's raining. You can get them really cheap.
Only thing is they ring really loudly when hit without a fabric cover on them.

>>33680172
wide brim*

>>33680172
they actually do a damn good job at protecting against pistol rounds compared to most steel helmets

>>33680172
That's why I was thinking of getting one. They can still be bought in the $40 range.

>>33677027
Imaging having warehouses with all that equipment....

>>33680259
you can find them for less if you look around, there's really no reason not to pick one up.

>>33676247
I have a friend making a complete NVA kit, complete with an AK I fitted East german furniture to

>>33677027
Does this cover small arms too?

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>>33680259
I got mine for $20

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Does anyone have info on the NVA involvement in Angola? The Angolan civil war would make it one of the few wars the DDR actually engaged in.

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>>33680510
Everything I've read has said parts of Fallschirmjägerbataillon 40 (East Germany's sole airborne formation) were sent there as security and to protect the border. But did not actually engage in any fighting.
They definitely seemed to be actual advisors, and not "advisors" like the Soviets were in the Korean War.

Part 1 of this pdf has some details and says they were likely assigned to the Soviet general in the area.
http://dspace.africaportal.org/jspui/bitstream/123456789/30962/1/Brief%20Report%20No.10.pdf?1

There's also some images and comments of African states and how they related to East Germany. Though the assistance is more civil/educational than military. Still interesting.
http://www.dw.com/en/africa-and-communist-east-germany/g-18753769

>>33678789
>They had resources of their own and allies. They were not some idiotic nation that burned every friendship it had like North Korea.
That's pretty much why I said less radical and more mellow, I'll be more specific next time

>>33680845
My bad that I didn't get that, still there's a large disparity in technology and training when you look at the NVA compared to the North Korean Army. Had East Germany continued today those gaps would be even wider.

Even just the general differences in attitude that did/would exist when looking at the two countries in question. At this point, the North Koreans have more in common with the Imperial Japanese than they do with a Socialist state; fanatical devotion to their leader, no strong industry, little resources, and warfare would likely come down suicidal attacks.
On the other hand, East Germany had all the makings of a successful country even without the WP and had a very different approach what motivated them. That being their state and fellow citizens, not an individual leader or blatant hatred of an enemy.

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>>33676247
:^)

>>33680277
Greece, Finland, Sweden, Turkey, Rwanda, the Congo, Jordan, and Indonesia all got the ex-DDR equipment.

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>>33681538
That's not right...but it's also not wrong.

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>>33681552
You forgot Poland.

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(Please do not point out that the insignia looks like McDonald's arches)

>>33679530
USSR had T-80s in East Germany

In 1989, the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany consisted of
>380,000 Troops and 205,000 associated staff/family
>7,200 Tanks including 1,800 T-80s and 560 T-64s. The rest were T-72s & T-55s
>4,500 BMP-1/2 & 300 BM-1/2 IFVs
>5,600 BTRs
>670 BRDM-2s
>108 ASU-85
>3,118 Self-Propelled Guns (48 2S9 120mm, 1,100 2S1 122mm, 1,500 2S3 152mm, 350 2S5 152mm, 96 2S7 203mm, 24 2S4 240mm)
>1,226 Towed Guns (400 T-12 100mm, 550 D-30 122mm, 286 D-20 152mm)
>722 MLRS' (650 BM-21, 72 BM-27)
>910 Army SAM Systems (74 SA-4, 120 SA-6, 240 SA-8, 192 SA-9, 244 SA-13, 20 SA-15)
>~1,000 AAA (ZU-23-2 23mm & S-60 57mm)
>792 Helicopters (384 Mi-24, 264 Mi-8, 144 Mi-2)
>953 Fighters (209 MiG-29, 400 MiG-23, 15 MiG-31, 75 MiG-25, 150 MiG-27, 60 Su-24, 45 Su-25)
>270 SSM Launchers (144 SS-21, 18 SS-23, 108 Scud, SS-20 IRBM's and SS-12 SRBMs recently removed)

>>33681748
Do you have numbers for the Northern/Central/Southern Groups of Forces?

>>33676793
>Political indoctrination aside, there did seem to be a real liking between Eastern Germans and Soviets.
Exactly the reason they should never have reunified. It explains almost all of the behavior of the EU, especially when you factor in the useful idiots in Belgium and France.

>>33681775
Yes. I have numbers on everything for anyone after 1978

>Northern Group of Forces (Poland): ~58,000 Personnel
-382 T-64 Tanks
-300 BMP-1/2 IFV
-312 BTR-60/70/80 APC
-96 2S1/2S3 SPH
-36 D-30 122mm Towed
-12 T-12 100mm Towed
-36 BM-21 MLRS
-8 SS-21 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-18 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-16 ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs
-40 SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-27 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-52 Mi-24
-32 Mi-8
-12 Mi-2
-150 MiG-29
-50 MiG-23
-270 Su-24


>Southern Group of Forces (Hungary): ~65,000 Personnel
-764 T-80/72/64 Tanks
-598 BMP-1/2 IFVs
-624 BTR-60/70/80 APCs
-17 BMD-1/2 IFVs
-6 ASU-85 Assault Guns
-77 BRDM-2 AFVs
-144 2S1/2S3 SPHs
-96 2S5 SPH
-24 2S7 SPH
-24 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-144 D-30 122mm Towed
-60 T-12 100mm Towed
-126 BM-21 MLRS
-54 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-80 SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-32 ZSU-23 SPAAGs
-16 SS-21 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-36 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-64 Mi-24
-44 Mi-8
-24 Mi-2
-45 MiG-29
-90 MiG-23
-90 Su-17
-45 Su-25
-15 MiG-21R

>>33680147
That is the helmet that would replace the M35 of the Wehrmacht. Hitler didn't want that though, because "the German soldier should be recognized by his silouette."
Design looks goofy but is top notch.

>>33681775
>Center Group of Forces (Czechoslovakia): ~85,000 Personnel
-1,020 T-80/72/64 Tanks
-755 BMP-1/2 IFVs
-936 BTR-60/70/80 APCs
-17 BMD-1/2 IFV
-6 ASU-85 Assault Gun
-102 BRDM-2 AFVs
-258 2S1/2S3 SPH
-96 2S5 SPH
-24 2S7 SPH
-24 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-432 D-30 122mm Towed
-142 T-12 100mm Towed
-144 BM-21 MLRS
-20 SS-21 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-36 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-52 ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs
-54 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-18 SA-5 SAM Launchers
-104 SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-80 Mi-24
-50 Mi-8
-30 Mi-2
-45 MiG-23
-45 MiG-27
-45 Su-17

>>33676247
Why are krauts carrying sks?

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>>33681833
Thanks

>>33681877
honor guards. AK doesn't look old timey enough

>>33676793
>Political indoctrination aside, there did seem to be a real liking between Eastern Germans and Soviets.
Except there wasn't, at least not at first. Hell, the Berlin Wall was built to keep the DDR from collapsing. There was mass exodus and calls for revolution, especially in the backdrop of the FDR receiving aid from the Marshall Plan and rapidly rebuilding industry. The existence of the Stasi is enough to show that a lot of East Germans despised the USSR.

Also, Deustchland 83 is a good show.

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It's one of my dreams t find an Ossi SKS one day

>>33679245
>>33679252
>>33679264
Wrong NVA, we mean the good German NVA, not the water buffalo herders.

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this whole thread

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Some marching music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtwWp8VqgfA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjDRTZNIQzg

East Germany is weird.

>>33683027
>good communist
>bad communist
There is only one kind of commie.

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>>33683166
Not any more than other countries., at least I think that.

>>33679225
Motorcycle actually

Mz-ES 250cc

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>>33676247

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Open top BMP?

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East German you say?

>>33686052
Probably specifically for the parade.

>>33686559
>nodak spud receiver
ugh

>>33677060
Kennst du nen guten Weg sich ne autenthische Deko-MPi KM zu besorgen? Ich hab bisher einfach NVA-Plaste an meine russische geklatscht, aber die markings sind immer noch falsch und ausserdem wurde das Ding auf dem Balkan vergewaltigt.

>>33679225
>>33684166

Was thinking the same thing. :)
I love the design, hope it comes back soon.

MZ was a good brand, too bad western Germans killed it.

>>33686052
>P
Not this shit again... BMP has big hatches on roof...

>>33676448

No,Krauts are submissive in nature.

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>>33678652
>How the incorporation of the two armies worked?

On a side note, unified Germany was the first Nato country to operate Mig29.

>>33678241
>>33678789
As far as i remember i read that they had a combinayion of black, grey and green, similar to modern russians. Look up camopedia though to be sure. They have a own section for vehicle camos

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>>33687779
http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=Camouflage_on_military_vehicles
There's something there for their BMPs in 1990 but I don't know if was every widespread or used on their tanks.

I've seen some images from museums that have NVA tanks and they seemed to have added to them to make them look a little more unique.
Some black spots on the green paint (pic related) or some black and grey. But again, I've never seen such things actually used or evidence of it. Just as thing museums have added.

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>>33678122
Upper Handguard is plastic

>>33690918
Is it me, or do the Americans look really unimpressed, but secretly wish they could do that to?

>>33691045
Yep, Americans shuffle around like retards and call it marching.

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>>33691045
They are probably impressed but also wondering why.
You rarely see marching like that from Americans. Maybe only during a few ceremonies or at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

For the NVA it was routine. Like many other Eastern militaries they emphasized public appearance and parade. In particular the men marching there were from the Friedrich Engels Regiment, which was for honor guard duties at the "Memorial to the Victims of Fascism and Militarism" and security at government installations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydeJt2dQxWg

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>>33676247
Not NVA but here's some Stasi pics to bump the thread

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>>33691964

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>>33691987

>>33691964
We will never read the Witt Stasi file..

Bumping for AKs

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>>33691964
>>33691987
>>33692003
Some kind of anti-terror team?

>>33692037

Who will ultimately win? Some loony or the non-existent Nationale Volksarmee (Save for their iguanas)?
http://www.molossia.org/war/eastgermany.html

>>33676477
what a stupid fucking helmet

>>33692247
What a silly comment, of course there odd looking! But honestly, having worn one myself for a while, they are pretty comfy.

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>>33692247
I like the way it looks. Some people think it was imposed of them by the USSR, but it's a German design.

How much of the Wehrmacht traditions were passed on to the NVA?

Did the NVA traditions carry on to the modern day bundeswehr?

>>33692388
>>33692408
makes them look like dick heads
no aesthetic appeal (4me) i don't see what protection they could really offer besides from falling debris like brit trench helmets. maybe they're comfy but i stand by my initial claim that that is probably the stupiest piece of head gear ever conceived.

>>33692453
You do realize that all helmets make you look like dickheads? =D

>>33692453
They don't have the aesthetics of a stahlhelm, but you can't deny that the sloped sides performed better against shrapenel, and small arms fire, than more rounded helmets, regardless of how ugly they may have looked.

>>33692487
>but you can't deny
i deny it. all it is is a thin layer of steel meant to protect the brain from debris that might be falling. i've read the axis history forum bullshit on it and it's just wrong. there is not 60% improved ballisitics resistance. don't be fucking stupid. it is a shitty military police helmet that looke something like the soviet helmet so they adopted it.

>>33692542
It's a German design. The Soviets said they couldn't have a helmet like during both World Wars so the East Germans adopted a prototype that was rejected during WW2.
The width of it is good for covering more of the wearer. It's a fine helmet even if some say it looks ugly.

>>33692615
it is fucking trash. so wide and imbalanced that it had to be thinner than any other ww2 steel helmet. a pistol. thus they were doled out to the german MPs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdqOhqSu7o0

>>33692733
It wasn't made to stop a direct hit from a bullet, no helmet then really was.
You would just as easily be able to shoot through an American M1 or Soviet SSh-68.

>>33692805
no actually you fucking genius a soldiers helmet is designed to resistance against direct ballistic impact
that was a 9mm shredding the bitch pinko cunt cap
here is a .45 getting repelled by the evil nazi m35:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvBHq5PW0Ag

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>>33692864
Are you pretending to be silly? The bullet hitting liner and the back of the rim on the M35 is not a successful save. That means it would have went into the face of the poor fucker wearing it.
And when he shot the top of it, the helmet deformed and absorbed the impact, just as it did on the M56 test.
Helmet were made to stop shrapnel, falling objects, or physical blows to the head. Not to act as a reliable bulletproof object.

>>33692974
the 9mm went right through the m56
the m35 was warped by the .45
the m1 was also trash but the ssh-68 could
easily repel a 9mm round
m56 was not meant for war fighting
argumentative little bitch boy

>>33693004
Did you even watch the videos you posted? At 1:20min he says the 9mm bounced off the top of the M56. It stopped a pistol round it could be expected to encounter on a battlefield.
You are talking out of your ass and you type like a child.

>>33693004
I feel like this is some serious bait.
Why would a guy come onto an NVA thread and complain about their helmets?
Especially with such bubba logic is so astounding!

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>>33693263
Using the phrase "redpilled", insulting something as "pinko", and typing in such a style makes me believe it's a /pol/ infiltrator.
I'm calling the Volkspolizei!

>>33693407
I'd let her polizei mein volk, if you know what I mean... (plz no shoot, I have wife and kids, and dog too!)

>>33693591
You're going away for a long time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3pAmzwJH6c

>>33693655
That sounds, soooooo, east german, it's not even funny.

>>33690918
When was this?

>>33693004
Afro-americans are not wellcome here. Get out.

>>33693747
Searching the image on Google makes me think it was from the Jan. 1982 National Geographic.

>>33692426

Second point, nothing. Leadership was purged, equipment quickly sold or scrapped. All the integration of former East Germany was a bit iffy, desu (not helped by the fact that the East Germans themselves didn't fight for their rights as hard as they should have, and so they got to be the poorer part of Germany even 30 years down the line).

On the first point, bar uniforms and a theoretical link (DDR was big on being a "socialist successor to the proper German state") there was little. The model was Soviet.

>>33686718
The fact they had to deal with competition and a market that wanted to be catered to killed them

>>33688154
It seems that there where no orderly described camouflage schemes they followed accoridng to this thread (in german).

http://www.network54.com/Forum/240281/thread/1176910280/Tarnung+des+T-72+bei+der+NVA

Three color camouflage (as the BMP) was officially introduced march 1988, but before seems only to be applied to vehicles if they where going onto maneuvres.

No standardization etc. Shameful for a german army.

>>33691964
Sure thats not GST?

>>33692615
IIRC it was designed late war as a cheap replacement for the original stahlhelm. The ugly sloped shape was to account for the fact that it was thinner than their previous helmets. So basically it wasn't better, it was cheaper, and it also looks fucking hideous so GDRaboos can fuck off.

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>>33680147
>>33680172
>>33680191
>>33680213
>>33680259
It is unironically better then the classic stalhelm.

>>33692864
>>33693004
I know you are a bait but im gona still educate you, lets see how the classic stalhelm performs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKvX8_nbD-Y

Shockingly bad, cant stop the same rounds as the M56 can.


>>33695007
Why would you lie on the internet?

>>33676731
Furniture is everywhere.

>>33694971
GST training didn't that wide array of weapons. The most time only smallbore repeaters or the aforementioned .22 Aks.

>>33694971
Two of these guys have suppressors on their ak's.

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>Germans are known for being obsessive about how things perform and do not accept low quality
>They adopt a helmet because it's cheap to make and works in a way that satisfies whatever requirements they have

>Nope, some people on an imageboard know better and know they really adopted that helmet because it was shit and because their Soviet master ordered it.

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Some men just want to watch the West burn

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>>33694306

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This is my favorite thread in a very long time.
I absolutely love the look of the NVA and general culture of the DDR.
I certainly would not want to live there though. I'm quite happy being an American.

I've also noticed nobody has posted the anthem yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CyPjQQTAM
I may have to watch 'Goodbye Lenin!' later.

>>33699301
>Goodbye Lenin!
Haven't seen that since middle school. Now I want to watch that as well as The Lives of Others. Anyone else can recommend other ossie films?

>>33676448
"there is no zealot like a convert"
DDR was the staunchest ally of the USSR in the NSWP.

>>33677926
fuck me those NSV machineguns are long

>>33686730
That's a fucking BMP you idiot.

>>33692124
Not if you asked the Ossies. The MfS was the secret police, and they were one of the most societally pervasive ones ever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

I believe the quote is, "Where the Gestapo broke legs, the Stasi broke souls."

>>33678652

Idk about the army, but with the police force it was about a 50/50 chance of you keeping your job or getting axed if you were a regular policeman.

>>33699655
I knew they were Stasi but was curious why they were practicing on an airliner. I was thinking they were some Stasi team similar to the West's GSG9.

>>33678652
The two armies basically didn't get integrated. A handful of officers, mainly in the air force, and proffessional soldiers got transfered to the Bundewehr and were all reduced by a minimum of one rank.

And the poor sods who didn't get to carry on not only had to find new jobs but are completely ignored by the German government. Their military service is classed as being served in a foreign army thus they get no pension. Not to get all pol in here but a fresh off the boat wog gets a larger welfare check than a man who served his country for twenty years because the Ossies made the mistake of trusting the Wessies when the wall came down. And instead of being treated like a brother they were treated like a subjected people and wiped form history.

Oh yeah and they are not allowed to wear their decorations in public or use their rank as their title on official documents. To put that into perspective if you were a member of the SS you can wear your medals, even party ones, and use your rank in official documents.

>>33699812
Yeah, overall it was hardly a reunification. It was an annexation. There is a very sad side to the story of the fall of the wall.
The Easterners were forgotten or looked down upon. I can fully understand why some miss that time and their former nation. The fact, as you mentioned, that former NVA members are given less care than the SS is ridiculous. I know more than a few people have tried to fight it but I don't believe it's really gone anywhere.

>>33699812
Never heard about the SS thing though, I thought basically all party awards like the german cross were completly forbidden, not just without Nazi symbols like the iron Cross or Wound bagde.

>>33699301
>I absolutely love the look of the NVA and general culture of the DDR.
>I certainly would not want to live there though. I'm quite happy being an American.
Is it odd if I also have this mentality? I already collect DDR milsurp kit and have a folder of pics saved from /k/. I love the general aesthetic and dedication that the DDR had (up to a certain point in time), while simultaneously I do fall into the Better Dead than Red crowd. Is this normal?

>>33699985
Completely, we all hate commies but Best Deutschland is always Best Deutschland.

>>33699858
The German government just wants to push the DDR from memory, they like to pretend it was a Soviet occupied zone rather than a country filled with Germans.

>>33699957
I've always heard they can still wear party badges, especially ones like the mothers award and ones like that.

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>>33697541
Grammar Nazi reporting in
Please use this version from now on to avoid triggering german autists all over /k/ and /vg/

>>33700022
No, its completly forbidden, even without the swastika.

The DDR was s oviet occupied zone, during the establishment of the Kasernierte Volkspolizei(early NVA) they actually had to change the uniforms because the old ones looked too soviet and some mebers of the KVP got stoned up for that. Similar case for members of the Wachregiment Feliks Dzherzynsky, who weren't permitted to wear dress uniforms out in town because a couple of the got beaten up during the 80s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Honour_of_the_German_Mother#Miscellaneous

>>33699812
>a member of the SS you can wear your medals, even party ones

That is fucking bullshit you would get arrested on spot

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>>33700022
Glad someone understands what I mean.
It's a curiosity and an interest. I try to collect DDR stuff but it's rare in the US unless you look online, which can get expensive with shipping and also takes away from the fun of hunting for it.

>>33700112
Will do.

>>33699035
That looks fucking amazing as a kid.

Too bad that was probably their allotted fun for the month.

>>33699985
There's a name for this feel (which I sometimes feel too)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie

>captcha makes me select apartment buildings
>they're all comblocks
how fitting

>>33699999
quints of truth

>>33699985
they say that it's the sign of an intelligent mind if you can entertain an idea but not accept it. I think that quote is really self-dick-sucking, but it's a good example of what you're doing.

You can always like a thing and also realize its flaws.

>>33700447
To be fair, many Wehrmacht soldiers were allowed to wear their awards when they joined the then-newly established Bundeswehr. They were forbidden to wear originals and had to make reproductions without swastikas and many party- or SS-related awards were forbidden.

>>33699985
Well, I guess it's the same reason why so many people like nazi asthetics

>>33701284
I believe very few took those replacements or if they did they still kept the originals. There was nothing punishable about keeping Nazi-era awards, just in publicly displaying them.

>>33701305
That's what I'm talking about. If they wanted to wear them, they had to remove the swastikas.

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Thought this would be a good opportunity to show of some of my collection.

excuse shitty phone camera pls

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>>33701305
IIRC, you didn't need to turn over original nazi medals, if you still had them, to receive the post war replacements ones. The replacement ones are simply safe for work versions which they could order to use in public.

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Always thought it was cool when I saw East Germany used the Stg 44 at least into the 50s.

>>33701419
Neat Air Force uniform.
Currently all I have is a stahlhelm, garrison cap, and rain pattern bag.

>>33701698
When exactly did they do with the StG? Just melt them down when the got the AK, or keep them in storage?
They still used the PPSh041 for a while and even longer within the police forces.

>>33701767
>When exactly did they do with the StG? Just melt them down when the got the AK, or keep them in storage?
That's a good question...

Maybe they sold them? I believe I've heard of StGs turning up in conflicts around the world in the modern day. IIRC there was something about a cache of them being found in Iraq or somewhere in the last few years...

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>>33676895
Early MPi-KM had the wooden lower (usually an unfinished piece of thick Beech wood). After 1979 or 1980 the wood lower was replaced with the bakelite lower.

>pic related, roughly ca. 1971 MPi (really my Md. 63 kit mocked up as MPi)

>>33701792
The ones turning up in Syria are those Yugo stg copies. East Germany probably also sold their stg to friendly third world countries, or lend it to the soviets so they could send them to communist guerrillas around the world.

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>>33697567
thread needs more ddr chem/bio gear

>>33701816
Nice looking rifle. Jealous.
Wish I could put one together but being in New York state makes it pointless.

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>>33699812
>>33699858
there's only one way to fix this

we need another wall

>>33702788
>pls no hit snek

>>33702788
Damn Ossies and their damn walls.

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>tfw the Bundeswehr inherited tons of stuff, took a few quick looks at it, then threw it away

>>33676376
Am I fucked in the head for thinking that looks comfy as fuck?

>>33694916
>>>33686718
>The fact they had to deal with competition and a market that wanted to be catered to killed them
No, it was deliberately destroyed, like many other east german brands, because it would be a competition to west german companies.

>>33703993
I was reading some stuff about the reunification and on the civilian end of things a lot of Easterners were pissed because the West German government axed all nationalized media stations as per the West German Constitution, which killed just about every East German television/radio program.

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>November 1990
>Recently after reunification
>Wake up in tiny apartment because it's all I can afford
>Look in closet to find outfit for day
>Look sadly at my now obsolete NVA uniform
>Make breakfast while listening to utterly terrible "pop" music
>This isn't Bach
>Finish breakfast
>Have to go out and get groceries
>Get in the Trabant that I waited five years for
>Begin my journey to the store
>Nearly get run off the road by people driving needlessly massive steel cars
>Finally arrive at grocery store
>Walk in
>I don't know what any of these brands are
>Find some Spreewaldgurken
>Go to pay at register
>People laugh at my shopping net
>Feel ashamed and decide to try plastic bags
>Where's the person that's supposed to carry my items to my car?
>Hesitantly take my bags
>Get into parking area
>Bags rip and the jar shatters on the ground
>Scheiße
>Drive back home and nearly run someone over because they didn't obey the crossing signals
>Get home
>Neighbors are playing English music very loudly
>Prepare to go tell them I will call the Volkspolizei on them for the noise disturbance
>Remember there is no VoPo
>Sit down on couch, which I am surprised to see has not been moved
>Relieved my home has not been visited by Stasi
>Remember there is no more Stasi
>Turn on TV
>What is this "Music Television"?
>Turn off TV
>Stare at framed photo of Erich Honecker
>Where did it all go so wrong?
>Sit in silence for a few moments
>Neighbors now start blasting their "rock and roll"
>Go lay down on bed
>Go to sleep
>Wake up and repeat

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>>33704238
>tfw nationalism in Europe was all but dead after the cold war and is barely gaining traction today

>>33701767
It's not airforce, but mot. Schützen.
Did the piping seem that blue?

>>33704795
It did look blue a little bit, I also thought the badge on the breast were wings.

>>33704570
Well, nationalism is well and alive in the eastern part of our country DESPITE the DDR(although there is something about counterculture etc.) not because it. The DDR was the best communist shithole the world has ever seen, but it was a communist shithole, and those deserve to perish.

>>33704795
>>33704826
Looking at it now I see obvious stuff that shows what it is. The patch on the sleeve, the piping, and the emblem on the cap.

>>33704826
Those are qualificaton bagdes for mot. Schützen.
They were given out for all kinds of professions, although only one was specifically airforce, as far as I remember. I don't know if the american military had anything same, but they were always around in the Bundeswehr and NVA and are 'til this day.

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>>33676247
Was the DDR the best soviet satellite state in terms of the average citizens quality of life ?

>>33704238
You conveniently left out
>remember the good ol' days of worrying about my neighbors informing on me to the Stasi
while eating breakfast

>>33704895
Yes.But rather because of their position and the shitton of deals they had w/ West germany trough the backdoor.

>>33704895
Probably the most self-sufficient and anyway they got a lot of attention from the USSR because they were right on the border for what would be WW3

>>33678161
>which obviously never happened since everything became Bundeswehr.
Did anything from the NVA remain with the Bundeswehr, or did they just retire all the slavshit as soon as possible?

>>33685826
>>33682126
>>33680393
>>33677914
>>33677750
>>33677095
>>33676477
Jesus Christ these helmets look like the deformed bastard offspring of a Brody and a Stalhelm

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>>33705205
The West kept the MiG-29s for evaluation and then gave them to the Polish.
Tanks were scrapped or put into museums and small arms and infantry gear were given to other nations (Already listed ITT)

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>>33705205
>as soon as possible?
Some stuff was kept for a while, the MiG-29s were kept until 2003.

>>33705254
They were actually the evolution of the stalhelm. Nazi Germany would have adopted the design had it lasted long enough.

>>33678122
>Finnish inventory as reserve rifles
they issue them to Leo crews

>>33705414
Actually, they were proposed in 1945 as a means of saving man hours and steel used in the making of the traditional stalhelm. It isn't necessarily a superior helmet (heard arguments for and against), the big reason for its introduction was to save resources.

>>33704895

Yeh. Best commie state was Yugoslavia (quality of life was comparable to second tier Western countries or even a tad better in some regards) but for Soviet satellites it was probably the DDR.

Worst options were Albania and Romania, weirdly enough not Soviet satellites.

>>33692247
This

>>33704238
Eh, at least conscripts didnt have their uniform at home. And civilians where not allowed to have camouflage uniforms as far as i have heard.

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>>33704238
>>33704916
>mfw people fetishize life behind the iron curtain

>>33705891

Had its charm. I always remember a old Romanian I got to help (and Romania was a shit-tier commie state run by thieves) that spoke fondly how in the "good old times" everyone had work, petty crime was uncommon and he was not forced to run all over Europe to get money for feeding his children.

Said by a guy who lived in a country that had such gargantuan problems as Commie Romania, I don't know. Some people simply value security (be it in the workplace or overall) more than "rights". But again, I'd bet that a good 40% of the contemporary Euro population would buy a ticket to get a house in a place with a guaranteed comfy public servant job and no "vibrant middle eastern youth".

Weird times we live in.

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>>33704916
he also left out the part where he buys Vita-Cola from the store. Anon really needs to step up his game.

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>>33704238
Same here...
>October 1990
>Me beeing in the NVA-Nachrichtendienst
>I just got Promoted to Unterleutnant
>Ppl are allready talking about it
>I still cant belive it
>November1990.jpg
>Loose my Job Bundeswehr can't take me over
>Saying "NVA had too many Officers Sorry."
>Me nearly Killing myself
>No Source of Income for the Next Year
>My Wife leaves me for some Bundeswehr Guy
>August 1992
>I finally get a Job
>Work there Untill December 1994
>Get thrown out cuz they think i had MfS Relations
>Having no Job untill 1995 Again
>Getting Job offer from Bundeswehr
>Accepts it
>Gets thrown out after 9 Years think i have MfS relations
>Still no job untill this day

For short my Life is Fucked i want the DDR back....

>>33706122
>MfS relations
What it is?

>>33706141
Stasi Relations

MfS = Ministerium für Staatssicherheit = Stasi

>>33706164
Filthy capitalist bastards!

>>33691076
>goose stepping
>not retarded
Pick one and only one

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>>33676448
>germans
>doing anything other than following orders

>>33678161
Thats a UTV Uniform Top and the flag wasnt new it was an "Landesflagge" that was used to distinguish us from other Militarys cuz the Checz had a simliar camo

>>33706244
Hm. Interesting. I've never seen NVA wearing flag patches before.
Thanks for the info.

>>33695388
Can't argue with those dubs.

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no bully pls

>>33676448
Germans never rebell. Look at Hitler and Merkel.

>>33706451
Cuz usully when we where in other places of Warsaw Pact country like say Moscow we had our Staff Uniforms where we didnt needed those but in for non-Warsaw Pact Countries we needed to wear those i was in the NVA from 1978 to 1990 and those where standart issue from 1980 onwards when the DDR started Opening up a bit

Was the NVA actually any competent?
Here in Wester Europe the older people always say everything made in Eastern Europe always was of terrible quality and morale was very low

>>33706966
Nice dubs

Some stuff was good but the Soviet Leadership destroyed us Basicly

>>33706966
>Here in Wester Europe the older people always say everything made in Eastern Europe always was of terrible quality
>implying Westerners had easy access to the majority of Soviet-era consumer goods
I know morale went down the shitter during the Gorbachev years because quality of life took a major hit across the Bloc.

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>>33692426
doubt it
the GDR took a lot from Prussia

I know quite a lot about the GDR daily life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXn7dQM5mRg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV3ktnHAiz0

>>33692426
A lot we took most of the Officers of the Wehrmacht and the SS and also Luftwaffe into the NVA but most of them needed to go in about 1960-70 because they where too old

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>cold war threads

bueno.

>>33706122
good riddance, stasi scum

>>33704238
>there are NEET autists living in their basements unironically idolizing life in an oppressive communist shithole

Sad!

>>33676247
Were East Germans the most aesthetic WarPac nation?

>>33707192
the Bulgarian Peoples Army was quite cool

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>>33707143

>>33707240
"Selbstgefällig und Schwert der Partei"

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>>33707063
That song is so much catchier than it has any right to be

>>33699985
I'm in that camp as well m8. I'm an ardent anticommunist, but I too have a certain. ..respect or perhaps admiration for their aesthetics

>>33706629
Such an iconic photo

>>33707471
>Look up that image one time to read what happened to that guy
>He eventually returned to the East in the 90s and hanged himself
:(

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Soviet Army units waiting for withdrawal shortly before the collapse of the GDR, May 1989

>>33692247
>>33705777
It had the best ballistic protection of all of the Steel helmets, if you had shells going off you'd want one on.

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>>33705414
>>33705254
Actually the helmets the Nazis designed was about half way between the two that looked a bit like a paratrooper helmet.
The East Germans used that helmet briefly before switching to the M56 later on.

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>>33707666
Now those look bad. At least paratroopers have a reason to wear more rounded helmets.

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>What the fuck, Genosse?

>>33706966
The NVA was completly average for an conscription amry.
The GSSD, the soviet Forces in germany, however sold their AKs from the back of their trucks when they were withdrawing in 1990.

>>33707743
Genosse was a Term you said to Military/Police Personell or SED Party Members

>>33708124
I know.
The soldier on the left gesturing, and the one of the right's face, made me think of them asking that question.
Like those "What the fuck Comrade?" images that pop up sometimes.

>>33677900
I need that fucking belt pouch thing fuggg.

Off to numrich.

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>>33699985
i am the same way. I think despite being commies the east commies were some of the last hard men of Germany. Loyal zealots, as are typical germans. While the west germany was rich, it was decadent and weak.

>>33676247
Would it be in poor taste to have a shirt with the flag of the DDR on it and wear it in public?

>>33708383
Probably not. Unless you encountered a former citizen who was extremely bitter about their former land.
I doubt most people would recognize it and most who did would just see it as some retro thing. I knew someone who had a "CCCP" shirt.

>>33686559
ITS LIKE NONE OF YOU PLEBS GET THAT THE GAS BLOCK WAS ONE OF THE MOST AESTHETIC PARTS ON AN MPI NOT YOUR SHITTY 90 DEGREE FAT BULGE

>>33707590
1980s Soviet cameras were such monstrosities.

My dad had one and the slightest touch made it explode into a thousand pieces of springs, film, and straps

>>33704238
>>People laugh at my shopping net
I remember having them in Porand. Far more eco-friendly than those billions of plastic bags we use today, if you ask der me.
>>Feel ashamed and decide to try plastic bags
>>Where's the person that's supposed to carry my items to my car?
They had people who did that in DDR? Ware they prisoners or something?

>>33676448

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_of_1953_in_East_Germany

>>33708590
I've read before that since the idea was to employ everybody that some stores would have someone whose job it was to carry the customer's bags or items to their car or wagon.

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>live in germany in a part of former DDR
>its now getting overrun with shitskins

>>33692247
Speaking practically, they're probably the best steel helmet you could ask for. Far superior to the stahlhelm.

- Didn't get pushed up over your forehead and block your vision while lying prone
-Offered far better protection from pistol and shrapnel due to impact angle being decreased.
- Didn't cover ears as closely so wind wouldn't deafen you while in a vehicle
-Relatively light and cheap to manufacture

>>33692864
Did you watch the same video I did? The m56/76 deflected both 9mm and .45. It only failed on 7.62x25 and up. No shit that's even better than I thought it was.

>>33707158

Think of the thing: there weren't NEET autists living in the basements in oppressive communist shitholes.

They were dragged out and employed in whatever they could do. Maybe sent to a factory to do nothing, picking up trash or sent helping old ladies with bags. And of course the army, that helped.

Are we sure it was such a bad idea? Better to be a lowly cog than to be a useless nothing.

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A little humor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLju6RwUAws

>>33683177
one beat the United States in a military conflict, the other was cucked by it.

>>33706122
>Wife left me for bundeswehr

You were a gommie. Why would you expect not to be cucked?

>>33699798
>after careful planning and investing all your savings, you finally board the plane that will take you to a new life in the west under a fake alias
>stasi officer: NOT ON MY WATCH

>>33706122
>pursuing a career in the armed forces of a fucking communist regime

You're a piece of shit and deserved everything that happened to you and more.

>>33706164
In fairness, like three quarters of East Germany had some kind of Stasi relations, so they would have felt safe in assuming that of any officer.

Should i get an East German rain drop bag, for everyday stuff, or it it too autistic?

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>>33709624
How is it any different than serving another nation? Was the Stasi bad, yes. Was it any worse than being affiliated with the CIA or others?
Choices back then were limited and the military was one of the best ones available to many if they had the requirements.

>>33711148
Another reason why so many former Easterners got shafted after the reunification. People looking at them like robotic slaves or thinking they were all spies of some sort.
The Easterners didn't even fight to have their voices heard in the unified country and so they were brushed aside and expected to alter their entire lifestyle to become citizens of the West. Even today it's pretty easy to tell which older Germans came from the East.

>>33711373
I used one to carry books around my college campus.
Touch bag, cool look, and the rubberized interior and flaps were good for when it rained. Kept the stuff inside dry.

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>>33711442
Oops. Tough bag.

>>33711406
>People looking at them like robotic slaves
They weren't? Life behind the Iron curtain looked mundane and boring as all hell. Even the propaganda videos feel like they're lacking a certain amount of "liveliness" in them.
>Was it any worse than being affiliated with the CIA
While the CIA did do a lot of nasty shit, they didn't run an expansive passive and active surveillance network on their own citizens (or not, the whole MKULTRA thing is still spooky). Yes, the FBI did some very illegal and unconstitutional shit but they never had anything on the level of what the Stasi had.

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>>33711373
its good i got one sturdy and good to carry arround looks a bit autistic if you carry it arround with Y-Strap tho lol

>>33711819
I like how you can link multiple bags together, it's a pretty neat system

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>>33711834
yea also got a UTV belt i use the grenade pouch as everyday carry cuz i keep stuff like screws in it on work