Did we reach peak aesthetic with the Vietnam War? Music, culture,

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We reached peak aesthetic with Desert Storm/Gulf War 1.

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Those were the good old days. The military was shit ever since it left Vietnam.

>>33667790
Tfw you will never wear a crotch-mounted Claymore...

Imagine coming face to face with a gook behind that guy with the grenade launch and having to fire a danger close round just like in the vidya games. I'm sure it happened

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>>33667920
Vietnam is fucking spooky

Imagine how their dads felt going to sleep in some jungle hell in the middle of the Pacific wondering if Tojo would cut their throats while they slept

>>33667960
Imagine how their grandpas felt in some trench wondering if The Hun was going to toss a grenade in at them out of the darkness just past the barbed wire.

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>>33667790

>>33668027
Fucking crazy

My family members have some damn good stories from the 60s-early 70s. One of em cleared tunnels, that must have been the worst job to have.

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>>33668126
I got a couple tunnel rat photos.

Goddamnit /k/.

These threads always make me nostalgic for wars I'll never fight in.

To make matters even worse, I joined the military and went infantry to fight in Afghan and ended up doing two non-combat pumps.

My life is suffering.

>>33668210
Join the French Foreign Legion, maybe. Shoot some terrormonkeys in Mali or wherever they are.

Pic related.

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>>33668330
Fuck forgot to attach because I'm retarded

>>33668330
>>33668344
I've considered it.
But I figured I'd give college a try and see what jobs I can land.
I have a year to go still, but if that doesn't pan out, I've been brushing up on my French.

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>>33668374
Good luck, I was thinking about it as well. Could be interesting, who knows.

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>>33668330
>French Foreign Legion,
They have short shorts too.

>>33668210
I feel you. I'm stuck in college and I wish I had enlisted instead, but my parents are told me I'm stupid if I join the infantry like my brother did. They told me to get my damn commission, I just want to be out there instead of here.

>>33669520
Vietcong dug tunnels for bases, launched attacks on American bases from them, would use them to ambush Americans, etc.

Americans sent in "tunnel rats" (men designated to go into the tunnels) to go in with a flashlight and a gun, and kill any Vietcong they saw and collect a little bit of intelligence, and possibly destroy the tunnel.

Dangerous job.

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Dumpan my 'Nam Foldier

>>33669606

It was a volunteer thing

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>>33669624
They specifically try to get manlets to volunteer for that job

>>33669666
Looks like he's aged 10-15 years within a span of 1 year.

>>33667790
>Did we reach peak aesthetic with the Vietnam War? Music, culture, uniform, weapons, everything.


Patton would have gone ballistic.

That is exactly why the USA did not get the result it wished in Vietnam. The weapons available manpower were all in favour but a disastrous rotational cycle, failure to form cohesive units and a complete break down in discipline resulted in excessive civilian and civilian suffering and casualties and ultimately a strategic defeat.

If you want to loose a war this is exactly how you do it. Kill ratios do not matter when you don't get the desired result a defeat of communist forces.

>>33669765
The reason you have more evocative pictures is because you have hundreds of drugged up journalists with 35mm crawling all over the place.

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>>33669780
Hmm, worth it.

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>>33669773
This is not a beech gentlemen.

These artillerymen are training under Patton in North Africa

>>33669792
Deliberate destruction of army property. Indiscipline. You do home when we win. If you want to win and go home it is time to become a disciplined soldier who takes pride in his appearance and his unit and slaughters the enemy and pursues them relentlessly. Get that thing off your head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMEViYvojtY

>>33668344
Thats fucking aesthetic.

>>33669758
To be fair, they're about as Communist these days as China is. One party rule, but at least Charlie realized that the key to a good GDP is letting McDonald's and Levis sell to your people.

I'm not one of those "HURR WE WUN THE WAR" faggots, but I definitely think we contributed to the 1986 reforms, if only by demoralizing the entire country (and ours) through endless warfare.

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My grandad fought in 'Nam, rest his soul. I got most of his war stuff when he died. Found this in his files, apparently he kept it. Fucked up stuff.

>>33668344
These men look like soldiers not demoralized tramps.

>>33669551
From what I've seen in old newsreal and training film stuff, most of the time they would just try to clear far enough to rig up a field expedient explosive charge, and demo the tunnel. There were special engineering units that were called in when possible, these guys probably needed the whole complex cleared.

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>>33669915

Other side.

>>33669780
>because you have hundreds of drugged up journalists with 35mm crawling all over the place.

we need to bring those back

>>33669931
>>33669915
This is better English than modern Chinese making fake products.

>>33669921
Not hard enough. That badge and the comedy mustache and hast pipe.

Any drug consumption should have been rewarded with a six month extension, three months spent in immediate in country training in a disciplinary battalion.
.

>>33669520
First guy to fuck a new guy in the ass. Also called mudsweepers

>>33669780
>>33670009
>all we get now are official CNN/RT/Al Jazeera/Fox reporters that are thoroughly vetted
>no more insane drugged-up fuckfaces providing AESTHETIC footage/pictures
It's just not fair

We've come too far technologically. Time to roll things back.

>>33670023
Your heart is in the right place but your methods are foolish.

>>33669892
The new intake officer corps that replaced the ww2 and Korean conflict officer corps were unfit for purpose. Blaming the men is unjust. Their officers failed them in every way by allowing such a breakdown in discipline, standards, drug consumption, spread of demoralizing materials, literature and music etc

It is quite noticeable that the initially deployed soldiers in 65/66/67 look like soldiers and then a collapse in standards occurs

>>33670166
>Your heart is in the right place but your methods are foolish.

Foolish is risking three months in a penal battalion clearing mines.

>>33669551

sometimes theyd take a grenade too

>>33670089
>>all we get now are official CNN/RT/Al Jazeera/Fox reporters that are thoroughly vetted
>>no more insane drugged-up fuckfaces providing AESTHETIC footage/pictures
>It's just not fair
>We've come too far technologically. Time to roll things back.

Helped loose the objective by providing russian subversive anti war elements with images of civilian casualties that cannot and should not have been taken or distributed.

Equally disciplinary infractions relating to the treatment of civilian and enemy combatants should have been stamped out immediately via the harshest punishment available.

It is an error that the US repeated with the abu ghraib fiasco. The deeds were one thing, but the act of taking the pictures was inexcusable and should have resulted in life in military prison given that the taking of them undoubtedly cost fellow servicemen their lives.Taking of ears etc is not soldierly conduct. By all means kill the bastards but do not disgrace the uniform by acting like some tribe of illiterate cannibals.

>>33669945
>filename
Kek

>>33667790

I want to say yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwHqi-qOCZg

>>33668126

check out that shorty M1 carbine

>>33670020
Chinese are trying to sell shit, not win a communist/nationalist war

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I try to post pictures where you can see their faces

>>33670360
That man is squared away

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>>33670322
>It's an "Australian Anon Ignores The Content Of Everyone's Posts And Replies By Shitposting Poorly Structured Rantings" episode
Fuck right off, nigger.

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>>33670403
Thats cus they're Marines

>>33670023
I've never met a more retarded person here. Thank you for showing me that.

>>33670206
I had at brother at Khe Sanh, fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still they're, he's all gone
He had a woman he loved in Saigon. I got a picture of him in her arms

>>33667808
no

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>grow up fantasizing about military
>enlist after high school
>convince myself in boot camp I don't want to live under ucmj and be uncle's sam's bitch among other excuses
>get discharged (which was way too easy to do)
>biggest regret sets in shortly after
>slim chance at getting back in
just end my life senpai

Love the old school green uniforms

>>33667790
IT AIN'T ME

>>33670446
>I've never met a more retarded person here. Thank you for showing me that.

I'm glad you have no understand of what distinguishes a soldier from a stoned bum with a gun and a victory from a defeat.

>>33669887
Shut up retard

>>33670672
>resting your m16 barrel on your nutsack

not the best of ideas.

>>33669792
Something tells me this guy was a try hard POG

>>33669931

that was a pretty nice letter desu

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>>33667790
>tfw based as fuck Jim "Gook Eater" Webb will never be our president

please kill me I want to die

>>33670976
>Jim "Shredding Vagina in Indochina" Webb

We missed out on a lot of memes with him as president

>>33670596
>Shut up retard

Can't you see this is why they lost?

Are you THAT stupid?

>>33669842
who dis?

>>33670596
>Shut up retard

You think the one year tour was a great idea huh?

Dumb as rocks.

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>>33668012
>>33667960

>Be 20
>Be new minted GI at home with Dad and Grandpa before being sent to Vietnam
>Dad fought the japs in WWII and Grandpa fought the krauts in WWI
>Both tell you they didn't do much in the war and they really only remember the good times they had with their friends
>We're sure you'll be the same
>Deploy
>Day in and day out you slog your way through deluges of rain and gunfire, fighting and killing an enemy you aren't sure actually exists until you bayonet one during a brutal night assault
>Between these periods of brutal war you sit in a tent and listen to music, read and get screamed at by platoon sergeants all day until the gentle thud of UH-1 Rotors and the distant tremble of Artillery white noise you back to sleep
>You spent ten months making the grass grow for Uncle Sam and remembering it ain't you before you get sent home
>Ten months ago you and Grandpa and dad were sitting here chuckling about how war was boring
>and now youre all standing on the precipice of sanity recounting tales of gutting enemies in brutal close combat and watching your friends get their chest blown open

>>33671106
The worst would have to be trench combat, imagine just shitting yourself in a dirt hole as artillery shells shake the ground around you. Each explosion possibly coming down right on your head.

>>33671048
Give a brief description of your service record.

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>>33669842
>tiger stripe jungle jacket
I just came

>>33671034
I don't think it's anyone in particular.

>>33670656
Are those Aussies? They have FALs

>>33669915
>>33669931
this is actually really sweet in a fucked up kind of way

>>33670656
thought these guys were aussies

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>>33667960
>>33667920
>>33668012
>>33671106
Have you guys ever read this book? The way he describes things is fucking haunting.

>>33671423
Solid fucking book and one of the few that gives postmodernism a truly standout treatment

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>>33671423
>the kid who strapped a dog to a claymore
good book

>>33669887
and someone rolls a grenade into your tent

>>33669758
There was no strategy by which Vietnam was winnable, not in a standard combined-arms ground forces sense. They were fighting an ideological opponent, there was no ground to take and no flag to rip down and exchange.

Not saying Search and Destroy was a GOOD idea, but fighting traditionally wouldn't have helped. Regime Change always was and will always be a meme

>>33671459
>>33671469
What gets me is his buddy's description of the darkness, how he talks about it as "the type of darkness where you can wave your hand in front of your face and not even know it's there." then having to worry that there are little vietcong soldiers slinking about just waiting to find you and slit your throat, and how people had to be removed from the field because it drove them mad. Jesus fuck.

>>33670009
No way, Jose. These 5th Column fuckers are one of the main reasons the US public lost the morale to support to war effort. The US military had enough gas to keep throwing people into the meat-grinder all the way up to 1985 but the media fucks had the ruin everything up with the excessively biased coverage of the war.

>>33671220
10 years in the 2nd keyboard commandos

>>33669887
>the beatings will continue until morale improves

>>33669931
That's kind of messed up, the first side I mean. The other side is just communist propaganda printed in broken English.

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>>33671423
You haven't read shit until you've read this mindfuck.

Absolute vietnam kino right here

>>33670478
I'm sorry

>>33671594
The reason that the war fell apart was because Kennedy died a martyr and everyone forgot it was the Libshits who got us into the War in the first place, and then Nixon became a strawman for the Republicans and ruined their credibility further

>>33669915
>>33669931
Propaganda/10. Nice find.

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>>33671650
>read this book
>had no idea that the watchtower chapters were what was actually happening and everything else was a dream
>shit go so blurred together I was trying to piece together how they actually ended up in france and where the fuck cacciato went

This is the Pepe Silvia scene from Always Sunny in book form

>>33667808
fucking wrong

>>33671650

Got a bit weird later on but I liked the story overall

>>33671277
>>33671363

Guess I mislabeled it

>>33668126
all three of them look like rapists.

>>33668142
>no its cool tyrone, just go down and check it out.....

>>33671469
Hold up, that's an actual FG42 in Vietnam?

>>33671763
yea here's where I got the pic from
https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2015/07/10/wwii-german-weapons-during-the-vietnam-war/

>>33669915
>>33669931
thats fucked. what officer approved this shit? way to kill moral dumb fuck.

>>33671797
Its psyops dipshit

>>33671650
Oh shit, thanks for putting that on my radar. As much as the /lit/ in me wants to hate contemporaries, O'Brien is a talented fucker

>>33671869
/lit/ is full of contrarian assholes, do not trust anything they say

>>33667790
Comfort>aesthetic

>>33672045

I support this message

>>33669680

this looks like some airshit reenactor fags

>>33671797

you realize now that the Vietcong made that shit to use against Americans

>>33670501
Huh, I didn't realize that furniture ever made it to Vietnam. I thought it was original to the m4

cant wait till these 60s fags die.
been flooding our entertainment, schools, and other shit with muh vietnam, muh peace and love herp derp for years.

let it die. already you fucking boomer fags.

>>33672778
Eat shit

>>33667808
My man.

>>33669887
>>33670177
You my friends are getting fragged. Guaranteed.
>>33670360
>>33670806
>>33671029
I wonder how they decided to hand out the M14s. Don't see many of them after the M16 started replacing it.

>>33671555
i had a teacher tell us about that triple canopy at night pitch blackness. it was like being a 4 year old in bed hearing monsters everywhere, but the monsters were real there.

he said there were 4 tigers taken by some weird little guy from arkansas that would jump up and down to be the tunnelrat. he would come out covered in blood with his pants off cackling, but hey couldnt prove he did anything because he had rigged shit to blow and would pop the lower levels off first.

he also said they had some fucking KILLER shrimp and seafood there. shrimp the size of banana he had pics of the seafood since we didnt believe him.

i saw him a few years later, and we talked about him going back as a tourist. and he said its a lot more built up, but its still beautiful. he wants to move there but his peggy hill ass wife refuses to move.

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It feels real bad knowing that Vietnam vets are getting in their twilight years now. I remember them being the young generation of vets.

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>>33668210
I mean, you can join the Puerto Rican National Guard and assist the Insular Police fight local syndicates (Or join the Insular Police in general they're basically BOPE lite). It's not as intense as it was in the 90s but its still happening for a while now.
>http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/puerto-rico-national-guard-drug-trafficking
>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/14/national-guard-soldiers-patrol-in-puerto-rico/

>>33669634
What were the casualty ratios for tunnel rats? I'd imagine they'd be fucked compared to standard infantry, but still do better than the gooks due to more modern firearms training.

My grandfather was a navy electrical engineer on P2s aboard the Hornet during Vietnam. He had plenty of stories about the government trying to fit a nuke into the back of it, and was there for the Forrestal burning.

He fucking loved Japan, and how much the liasons there loved getting drunk on Jack Daniels.

>>33673926
>"In July 1967, a fire broke out on board the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal. An electrical anomaly had caused the discharge of a Zuni rocket on the flight deck, triggering a chain-reaction of explosions that killed 134 sailors and injured 161. At the time, Forrestal was engaged in combat operations in the Gulf of Tonkin, during the Vietnam War. The ship survived, but with damage exceeding US$72 million (equivalent to $517 million today), not including the damage to aircraft. Future United States Senator John McCain and future four-star admiral and US Pacific Fleet Commander Ronald J. Zlatoper were among the survivors."

Your grandfather met McFailure. Congrats.

>>33668142
> 1 hand on buddy, other with a ziggy

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>>33673823
Puerto Rico has a problem...

>>33671095
>PARKER GET DOWN!!

>>33670789
Ha, that's a magazine called The Rolling Stone.

>>33670501
I think that's grenada

>>33667790
I'd trade my war for those. Hadjis can't fight, even if you train them. Worthless.

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>>33667790
I would say uniform and weapon of the gulf war were pretty god tier

>>33671277
they sure look like shitposters to me

>>33669551
>>33669606
>>33669634

Found an article that talked about the tunnel systems in Veitnam and Tunnel Rats in general.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-06-28/features/8502110841_1_cu-chi-american-tunnel-rats-john-penycate

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I like the Invasion of Grenada. It's also pretty aesthetic

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>>33675794
I agree. Woodland era is aesthetic as fuck.

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>>33675842

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>>33675850

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>>33667790
No.

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>>33675861

Also the Communist interventions around the world, and the Nork incidents like the coup attempt in SK.

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>>33675863
>panama
>not posting the Marriott™ Battle Truc/k/

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>>33675890

>>33675890
true kek

Cuban interventions in Angola were Aesthetic, also th eSoveit-Afghan War.

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Fuck woodland!

*olies out*

You think in thirty years we'll be having 'Afghanistan War was max aesthetic' threads?

>>33675969
maybe

>>33675969
No. Modern photography is less interesting visually.

And it's still a desert, desu

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>>33670089
> Time to roll things back.
gotchu senpai

>>33667790
fuck off with these stupid "aesthetic" threads
it's autistic fucking cancer.
nothing in the military has anything to do with aesthetics.
new looks and modernization is driven by additional purpose and improved function, and so the most modern equipment should be applauded and celebrated as "best" if anything.

>>33670946
>Grunts were the only ones ever in the shit
Fuck off, boot.

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Tha Chiapas conflict is also pretty aesthetic

>>33668374
It's cool that FFL are using hk416 instead of Damascus now.
But I'm not a fan of their hazing culture

>>33670023
I am absolutely sure you've never been in the military. This post pretty much cements that idea.

>>33669134
>tight shorts

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Maybe it's because that in terms of photography, there is more changing in value, more depth, more layers, complicate shape. Comparing to flat desert. Afigannistan got a lot of cool photo too, with the vegitation and sands

>>33670345
Grease gun, giant knife, sawed off m1

Hnnngggg why is there no game about this shit

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>>33669887
>Talking to a person in a photo

>>33671747
My running theory is that photo was taken after some ambush activity.

>>33667808
fuck no

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>>33669887
>being this edgy
it's just a helmet cover man...

>>33670946
yeah... no
hella grunts did this shit. you may not realize it but it was a different time you know.

>>33668142
>>33669634
This shit is probably the main reason I'm happy I wasn't around in that part of history.

I got crazy fucking claustrophobia.

>>33669792
>blood type: O

>>33673926
>>33673983

My ex's dad was on that ship too! That's crazy all these everyday men were sleeping day in and day out on the sane shio as mccain but that fire must have been one hell of a sight

>>33669588
LRRP = LARP?

>>33667827
> inb4 My Lai was a war crime

>>33677921
LONG RANGE >RECONNAISSANCE PATROL (LRRP)
BASICALLY GOING BEHIND ENEMY LINES DOING SHIT LIKE RECON AND KILLING THE ENEMY

>>33669780
>drugged up journalists
they werent the only ones drugged up

>>33675794
http://www.pbase.com/olyinaz/urgent_fury_grenada

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>>33669989
Funny, he is wearing his helmet backwards.

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>>33675881
dem 80's cuties

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>>33677921
>>33678175
The Bong version were some epic fuckers in the North African theatre in WW2. They basically showed SAS how to operate.

>>33672243
>>33674483
It's an XM177E1.

>>33674522
i have to agree with you
unpopular opinion

>>33678527
Its so that he can see better. The brim of the helmet blocks a lot of the view around you.
People who wear hard hats do the same thing. When we would work inside, youd pull it frame out and spin it around so that you wouldn't walk into a pipe or somehing. Helps a lot.

>>33667808
I kind of agree, in a weird way.

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>>33670493
>>33671733
>>33676299
>He doesn't like chocolate chip

>>33667790
The problem with the modern troops is that the protective vests make them look bloated and retarded. You can't look cool looking like a fucking camouflaged kirby.

>>33678851
>They basically showed SAS how to operate.

O you idiot. They were the as

That's the crazy Irish Paddy Mayne who founded the sas

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>>33679582

Say that to my fucking face you little bitch. I dare you.

>>33675969

>The era of acupat then multicam

Yeah, no.

>>33671260
Non ripstop erdl ftw

>>33675794
Brown dominant erdl is way more aesthetic than woodland.

>>33680080
>when you get btfo by a man who has a better ass than your gf

>>33667790
>culture
>hippies and faggots spitting on soldier when they get home
>commie sympathizers

yeah no, the culture was shit.

>>33669666
Did afghan and iraq 2.0 have the same effects on the troop as nam did in the photo?

>>33676073
gay

>>33669887

You've watched too many works of fiction. Discipline is just one of many aspects important for an army, such as creativity and initiative.

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>>33680080
Is that, jizz?

>>33678851
Also if you want to see a flick about LRRP watch 84 Charlie MoPic. Got a sad ending though.

>>33669803
Dat moustache tho. That moustache can win a war.