What's the protocol if you're a fighter pilot and you

Shit my pants.

>>33666600

Pop flares & chaff, employ electronic countermeasures, commence with evasive maneuvers. If all the above fail, eject from the aircraft.

>>33666644

So if a Pilot accidentally strays into Russian airspace and gets 100 "enemy missile locked on" messages, he would first deploy chafe, then electronic countermeasures, then try to outmanoeuvre each missile?

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>>33666600
Accelerate

>>33666665
Well most pilots who've been in this situation get no missile-lock on messages; instead they do not maneuver and get shot down by a Russian fighter.

>>33666665

Damn, off by one.

Who would fire that many SAM's at a single fighter?

>>33667265
>Implying russians wouldn't launch infantry out of catapults to bring down one enemy aircraft, let alone a fuckload of SAMs.

>>33666665
>So if a Pilot accidentally strays into Russian airspace

first he does not
second whoever controls air space will contact fighter way before it will enter airspace, that failed they will send out fighter to figure out whats going on and escort that aircraft

>>33667762
>second whoever controls air space will contact fighter way before it will enter airspace

just like the turkish did with the russian fighter

15 seconds in turkish airspace is enough warning, apparently

Its very very situational OP.

Also only some types of missiles will give you Hollywood warnings.

>>33668154
They reportedly contacted it multiple times.

Also, OP, it literally hurt to read your post.

>>33666600

Wnat would "countermeasure eache missile be? Implying a lher meatloads had beencomldimised?

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>>33668970

>>33666600
Do nothing. It happens hundred times every flight.

>>33668970
r u ok?

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>>33667206
I read some account of a sr71 pilot pegging the throttle for like 5 minutes and he said they buried the mach gauge.
See said he had never heard the airframe make noises like that before.


Meaning it was going well over mach 3.5

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>>33670739
>tfw fuel would leak out of the plane because it was too fast
>tfw it was too expensive to keep it running

>>33672155
no, it leaked out at low speeds and ob the ground because the airframe heated up so much at high speeds that otherwise the plane would be destroyed

>>33672155
If you think a upgraded version is not in flight today someone lied to you

>>33666600
If you ditch that bird you're never getting your hands on another one.

>>33666600
Immediately ejaculate

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>>33672176
O rly?

>>33666600
Depends on the threat; you engage countermeasures (which might be automatic, but will consist of flares, chaff or ECM [jamming]); you might turn away from the direction of the missile (if it's still some distance away, you might be able to drain its energy), but regardless you gain speed / energy and manoeuvre (one tactic is turn so you're flying perpendicular to its flight path, then start turning tighter and tighter towards the missile to continually keep the missile turning and losing energy) when it gets closer.

>>33666600
>What's the protocol if you're a fighter pilot and you get a "enemy missile locked on" warning message?
Use ECM, if it's not already being done automatically.
If the threat is known to be distant and RF-guided, turn away from the threat and light the afterburners. If it's closer or unknown, turn perpendicular to the threat ("radar notch") and dive, deploy chaff (if not automatic) and break at the last second if lock hasn't already broken.

If the missile is IR-guided, you won't receive any missile lock warning, only a missile launch warning. In which case, you should deploy flares (again, this may be automatic), reduce throttle and break into the missile.

>>33672175
For what purpose?
>LEO SAT moves at 6'945
>SR-71 mach 3.5 1'190 m/s
>'Aurora' mach 1 gorillian?

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>>33668970
>>33668970
>>33668970

>>33667256
That's because those pilots tend to be flying civilian airliners with no RWR.

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>>33672175
>>33670739
SR-71/Aurora tinfoilers annoy the fuck out of me. Try learning a little bit about aerothermal heating and materials science, and maybe actually LOOKING at the declassified information about the SR-71 instead of gobbling up bullshit rumors mkay?

>>33666665

wait

>>33666666

>>33666600
>TOPGUN recommends...

Missile defense is SECRET. The only people here that will tell you what to do when you're spiked have zero clue what to do when you're spiked.

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>>33668970

>>33667206
IN THRUST WE TRUST

>>33667703
Russian SAM protocol dictates 2 SAMs for each aircraft. No more, no less, a master and an apprentice.

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>>33667206

>>33666600
Die or eject

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>>33668970
>meatloads

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>>33668970

>>33666665
>100 "enemy missle locked on"
>Russian
odds are, only about 12 or so are going to actually launch and hunt you. the rest will malfunction

>>33668970
Did you have a stroke?

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>>33668970

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>>33668970

reading these responses, do any of you actually have a fucking clue what your talking about? I'm actually privy to ASE and none of your answers sound like your knowledgeable due to a glaring fact no one has mention.

>>33666600
Standard procedure is to scatter yourself over a five mile radius.

>>33672354
>>LEO SAT moves at 6'945
In a ballistic trajectory. Limits your options when it comes to recon.

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>>33675782

>>33667206
Epic, simply epic

>>33667206
ebin meme broseph

>>33666665

>So if a Pilot accidentally strays into Russian airspace and gets 100 "enemy missile locked on" messages, he would first deploy chafe, then electronic countermeasures, then try to outmanoeuvre each missile?

Not necessarily in that order, but basically yeah.

>>33668970
Kek

>>33666600
RWR can only tell you that you are being illuminated, what illuminates you is not an information that is always available.

So if you exactly know what might've locked on, they you'd know which direction the missiles will approach and what kind, so you try to use countermeasures and watch for the contrail and bail if it doesn't work.

If you don't know, you basically deploy chaff, flare, go low if it's radar lock and bail eventually.

Since missiles now have huge no-escape zones, modern air combat is pretty boring. You just bail or get no visual confirmation for your hit.

>>33677209
>what illuminates you is not an information that is always available.
There's tons of information contained within the waveform that can enable identification of the threat, as well as it's radar mode and a number of other clues.
>Carrier frequency (helps indicate identity of the threat, or at least threat class - search radar or IFF, fire-control or ARH missile)
>PRF or CW (indicates mode and possibly identity of hostile radar, and provides approximate range bracket; if CW indicates SARH missile launch)
>Direction (self-explanatory)
>RSSI, and variations thereof (general indication of threat priority, including scan pattern, if radar is locked, if radar is locked TO YOU, and approximate range/power of the threat radar)

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>>33668970
Dude, you alright?

brb I'll let you know what happens...

>>33677525
>Carrier frequency
Can vary from missile to missile, radar to radar and usually only things you know for sure are your own missiles and radars.

>PRF or CW
Again you only know this information for your own systems for sure. SARH missiles are not the only ones that use CW but I'll give you that.

>RSSI, and variations thereof
Obviously.

So none of these will make the pilot 100% confident that there was a missile launch and its exact location, it's just extra information for him to check during the process. So the statement "What illuminates you is not an information that is always available" is mostly true. Either way it has negligible effect on how the procedure works when there's a missile coming, it's always make some effort and bail. Skirmishes, escorting Russian planes out of your boundaries are fun but those won't happen in a conventional war. It'll probably just be people deciding whether they should launch and people bailing.

>>33677639
>usually only things you know for sure are your own missiles and radars.
ELINT is a thing

>>33677209
>Since missiles now have huge no-escape zones,
[Citation needed]

>>33677668
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(missile)

>>33677651
Yes.

>>33677651
>usually

>>33677677
Yeah I'm sure Wikipedia will tell the truth about a brand new missile system
Got any actual sources to back up those hot claims?

>>33677698
None, other than what Wiki cites.

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>>33677639
>Can vary from missile to missile, radar to radar
And that is the EXACT thing that makes it useful for identifying threats. Same for PRF.

With all due respect, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

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>>33677791
>And that is the EXACT thing that makes it useful for identifying threats. Same for PRF.
But radars have different modes and none of the specifics are publicly available, there is of course military espionage but the radars also listen and determine which frequencies and methods are being used/denied.

If you can pinpoint exactly what radar is illuminating you, you should apply for a project from government at the nearest university.

>>33667762
This guy gets it. There's literally instructions in our DOD FLIP for what to do and proper procedure for communicating with Russian intercepts in the event we accidentally cross into their airspace.

That way nobody starts a big-ass international incident over a case of "I done fucked up."

>>33677846
>If you can pinpoint exactly what radar is illuminating you,
this is literally the Navy AWV's ratings job.

>>33677992
So?

>>33677846
>But radars have different modes and none of the specifics are publicly available
So?
>there is of course military espionage
ELINT is not espionage.
>the radars also listen and determine which frequencies and methods are being used/denied.
Not as often as you might think. Most radars aren't even capable of frequency modulation. And you can't exactly "listen" to a passive RWR or ESM anyways.

And even if you know absolutely NOTHING about the threat in question, the waveform can still tell you quite a lot about it on-the-spot since there are technical factors that influence what waveforms a radar will use and when.
>If you can pinpoint exactly what radar is illuminating you
Well, setting aside the fact that you often CAN, there's still a whole spectrum of useful information between knowing EXACTLY what threat has illuminated you, and knowing nothing at all besides the fact that you've been illuminated (as you originally asserted).

>>33666600
pepper your angus

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>>33667206
Made me think of this

>>33676408
Not rly a meme if it's true.

>>33678834
>>33678834
>Muh memes can't be true
Nigga this is 4chan. Anime is real.

>>33666600
Deploy chaff and flares, perform an evasive maneuver, fire Home on Jam missiles or HARM missiles, and try to locate the source of the missile visually