Why did the Sherman always lose 5:1 against the Panzer IV? Was

>>33663718

They didn't call it a "Ronson" and "Burger Blaster" for nothing anon.

Sheldon Cooper also says it was an absolutely death trap, and I'll take the word of a man who's been there and done in, as opposed to some fat fuck historian 70 years later.

>>33663718
>Panzer IV
kek

Wtf are those hits from? Autocannon fire?

>>33663718
spontaneous autoignition might have been a factor

amerisharts btfo

>>33663727
Anything that gets hit by a german long 75mm or 88mm is a death trap. However sherman tanks had great crew hatches for a very fast dismount.

>>33663718
because there where more m4's

>>33663718
Burgers cant build decent cars and they certainly cant build decent tanks.

Thats also why all the Abrams get BTFO by Hajjis

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>>33663718
>AND WE STILL WON THE WAR

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>>33663754
yes, 20mm

>>33663798
*eats mcdonalds*
auto?cannon?
*sharts in mart*
what the heck in tarnation is an auto? cannon?

>gasoline

You might have to try a bit harder to ignite diesel, but when AT weapons are involved you're by definition trying really fucking hard.

>>33663718
Germans are invincible supermen, the quality of the Sherman is irrelevant

>>33663798
holy shit pz 2s must have been scary as fuck

>>33663718
From a quick google search it seems that it wasn't so much engine fires as ammo being ignited when the tank was hit (compound problem of thin armor and dry-stowed ammo). The issue was solved by a combination of applique plates and wet stowing the ammo.

>>33663754
>Wtf are those hits from?

.50 BMG

>>33663829
There's no way in shit that happened during combat.

>>33663718
Do you have a source for that figure? Also, a Sherman actually had relatively good frontal armour when the slope was accounted for, as well as one of the best survivability ratings of most allied tanks in the war, especially once they added wet stowage bins for the ammunition. Shermans were also easy to recover and repair, and it was a fairly common practice to keep shooting a tank that the crew had bailed out of until it caught fire so there was no way it could be recovered.

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>>33663718

This thread is bad and everyone should feel bad for falling for it

>>33663829
>>33663862
That's on a Bundeswehr proving ground

>>33663754
If I remember correctly this pic was taken on the BSA .22lr merit badge range.

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>>33663791

Mandatory triggering vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8vFGQ0uJQc

>>33663943
Opi confirms movie historical inaccurate. All Shermans where destroyed that day

>>33663718
What the fuck did that?

>>33664015

20mm autocannon

>>33663875

everyone got baited - wehraboos incoming

>>33663718
This is b8, for those who don't know the Panzer IV had thinner armor, and a gasoline engine.

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>be German tanker
>tank's gastank is filled with sand from sabotage
>enemy has 10x more tanks than us
>gunner can't see anything
>enemy artillery destroyed Hans and Gunther's tank yesterday
>all our panthers broke down 10 miles behind the line

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>>33664318

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>>33664323
>Be Germany's greatest tank ace
>get destroyed by a leaf

>>33664318
>Look on the bright side Hans, the barrel is of having better elevation now!

>>33664345
Just like the Red Baron.

>>33663783
t34 would bounce 88m with sloped armor

>>33663727
Memes the post

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Why did the Panzer IV always lose against the P-47?

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>>33664323

>>33663727
Ya'll forgot about the term ( Tommy Cooker }

>>33664437
Because it has only one HP!

>>33664438
>5 bucks says that M2 still works

>>33663822
A lot of Shermans had the air cooled F4F Wildcat engines. When caught on fire they burned super hot, cooking everything.

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>>33664481

>>33664419
Rarely. There is a reason over 60% of t34s were lost in combat

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>>33664498

>>33664469
Dammit, 80 points for one Hull Point is such BS. Shit should be AV14 or something at least for the trouble. But no. Fucking AV12 some everyone and their brother can pen it with str 7

>>33664544

Fucking hell.

>>33664498
port for additional hull MG

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>>33664318

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>>33664573
War is not fun...
It does not matter if the metal box was made in Germany, Russia or Detroit. If you get hit (even without penetration) it is fucked and especially when it is Pzgr...

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Here's both knocked out.

>>33664395

Umm no sweetie, he was killed someone from the Royal Australian Artillery

>>33664688

That took at least 8 Shermans to do.

>>33663820
cringe

Steven Ambrose wrote that the US military knew that the Sherman was a vastly inferior tank, but its size allowed far more tanks to be shipped to Europe than bigger, heavier tanks that would have been more of a match for the Tigers.

>>33663727
I doubt they call it burger blaster
And if they did, it was for blasting Germans, because they made burgers.
Americans hadn't been called burgers until this century.. You're turning into a meme Lord buddy

>>33664486

That's a great demonstration of edge-effect on armor

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>>33664707

That had to be one of the luckiest shots of the war, right through the coax mount.

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>>33663727
I like this shitpost it's got layers

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Taking out the trash !!!!

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>>33664799
Part 2 .....

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>>33664812
Part 3 ....

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>>33664828
Part 4 ......

>>33664799
>>33664812

Dude that tank wasn't even crewed.

Can't you Americans accomplish anything other than blowing up unmanned tanks?

>>33663754
LAW range.

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>>33664838
Part 5 ..... The end .

>>33663829
>>33663798
>>33663754
>>33663718

It's a target on a firing range you dinks

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>>33664841
>Dude that tank wasn't even crewed.
So , that means the German crew abandoned their tank and ran away ???/

>>33664862
thanks for telling us, it already has been posted a couple times in this thread, but you did a great job

>>33664914

Well now ya double know

>>33664419
Just like in my video games

>>33664550
I dunno, av12 all around and an str 8 ap2 gun, on top of 2 heavy stubbers? I'd pay 80 pts for it

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Sherman evaporated

>>33665099
That was a T34

Why do americans get so triggered when someone points out that their shit tank was shit?

>>33664395
He was killed by an Australian vagabond who'd never even had a picture taken of him.

>>33665167
Speaking as a Wehraboo, the Sherman was a fine tank in later configurations.

It's sight and optic layout was quite good, and at the time who shot first often prevailed regardless of technical superiority or inferiority.

>>33665167
Because it wasn't actually shit, but the slavs and europoors were so butt-blasted over their inability to produce a decent tank that they came up with utter bullshit about why a tank with no real flaws or strengths was shit.

>>33665222

Buttblasted ameritard detected

>>33665222
>Because it wasn't actually shit
It wasn't
>their inability to produce a decent tank
And you know this is bullshit.

The real question is why you people are such children?

>>33665099
Look at the wheels and tracks, it's t34.

America getting rekt.

>>33665580
America can't even beat some chinks with farming equipment LO--0L

>>33663754
low recoil birdshot

>>33665099
>Implying Shermans have Christie suspension

get out and never return

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>>33665245
>>33665293
>culturally enlightened europoors detected

>>33664498
>C R I T I C A L P A S T

>>33664780
Has she just a fat cooter or is it a dick

>>33664717
Lies.
The US didn't HAVE a better tank,
And the mass wouldn't matter to a ship and the way they are stowed.

>>33664758
Yep. That destroyed Sherman. In the enemy capital city.

>>33666196
Forgot to mention it's a Sherman Jumbo .

>>33663754
.45

>>33666202
>Yep. That destroyed Sherman. In the enemy capital city.

It's Nuremburg , not Berlin .

>>33664419
This isn't fucking warthunder

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Another Sherman jumbo .

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>>33666342

>>33665099
Russians didn't have shermans on Finnish front.

>>33663829
20mm autocannons got much better penetration postwar.

>>33663794
really? free people really won the war? are we more free today when compared to before the war?

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>>33664758
Here's said swastika blowing up. Pay no attention to the filename, just posting for historical significance.

>>33663798
Are those fucking fals?

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>>33666475
Considering people in Europe are allowed to make whatever life choices they want without being thrown into a fucking death camp- Yeah.

>>33666592
if germany had not lost WWI or made to repaid the total cost of the war despite they were not the instigator of the war, jews will never be thrown in camps

Hitler was only able to rose to power because of the lopsided "negotiation" at versaille

>>33666586

German FAL's

>>33666592


Gay pic.

Germans were on the good side of history, we just couldn't tell back then.

>>33663727
Pretty much every medium tank was a death trap in WWII. When everyone was fielding guns that could pen everyone else.

Early in the war, Tank Vs Tank, the Sherman was a glass cannon.

The Panzer had several layers of thick armor that was forge-rolled steel; the Sherman had cast steel plating. Panzers were actually lighter than Shermans. So the result was early in the war, the Sherman tank crews discovered they had issues penetrating German armor at range, which gave the Panzers a substantial advantage. You start an offensive on flat terrain, you're going to see some serious losses with Shermans until you can get in close. Get into urban fighting and the story changes, the Sherman was designed more for that role.

Later in the war, Shermans got a bigger cannon and better ammo that could do the job properly.

>>33666553
The filename fits now it seems

>>33666706
Yeah I agree it was way too harsh.
>>33666733
Sure /pol/ I'm certain killing all those gypsies, gay people, and Russians would have made all the difference in the world.

>>33666750
>Early in the War
>glass cannon
>THE Panzer
>continued lumping of all marks of Panzers together, assuming they all had great guns and armor
All of this is incorrect, and thus your conclusions drawn from it were as well. Can you tell me why they're wrong?

>>33666750
you have no idea what you are talking about

just fucking leave and never post again

>>33664437
Nice shot, that Tiger was moving at a full gallop.

>>33663820
Take your /int/ shit elsewhere

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>>33664419

>>33664437
Actually, it didnt.
Air force would often strafe a tank and claim it as a kill, when in reality a .50 cal would only scratch a tanks paint job.
For example, between the 7th and 10th August, the 2nd Tactical Air Force of the 9th USAAF claimed to have destroyed 120-140 tanks, yet of the 46 Axis tanks lost, only 9 of them could be attributed to aircraft.

>>33663754
ratshot

>>33663718
One of my uncles was a tank commander in the Pacific in WWII.
He had 3 shot out from under him in one day, I think Okinawa. Not sure. Said he'd return to the beach for another tank and keep on. He never went into much detail about it. Don't know what happened to his crews.

>>33666169

Puffy pussy lips are the best.

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>>33663718

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>>33663791
>people actually believe this

>>33664544
Man, that's gotta be some kinda job to pick bodies from tanks like that. Was that a special outfit, or would the recovery/engineering guys have to do that?

These WWII tank bash/praise threads are always shit from the start.

>>33670566
It's a shame that /thg/ are so rare, since this is all we really get in terms of AFV discussion beyond that.

>>33664498
>>33664544
t-those are just props, right...?

How do I git gud at identifying tanks? Is there like a big book I could read with pictures?

>>33664720
>And if they did, it was for blasting Germans, because they made burgers.
Citizens of German cities WERE burgers. It's literally what the word means.

>>33670062
Was your uncle an officer? If they were dismounted and unwounded, officers would often hijack someone else's tank. I mean, the officer can still lead the platoon or company from a different tank, and you don't want to give that job to a man who might not know what to do as effectively as someone who is practiced at it.

>>33670779
I don't know if he was an officer.

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>>33663718
oh god this thread again.

if i could go back in time i would have used an M4 sherman. an inferior tank is better than a tank that cant even get to the front lines before mechanical issues.

>>33666733
given the 666, you're probs just hitler posting from hell. you and the kraut boys sitting pretty down there?

>>33666250
Wherever. Point is, there were no Panzers in Dover, let alone Boston.

>>33663833
please explain to me what a dry stow and wet stow of ammo means?

>>33663727
Better luck with bait next time.

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>>33663820
Son, you're not even cringy. You're just sad.

>>33670428
I believe it was the job of the armored medical teams. My grandpa did this job in the war, but he's never really talked about it.

Kinda funny thread! Germcucks and slavoboos shitposting pics of destroyed sherman tanks even though Germany was the one that lost the war :^)

>>33664437
who knows what kind of valuable supplies that horse-drawn invisible Tiger tank was carrying to the front lines?

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>>33666586

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>>33664841
Occasionally. When we feel properly motivated.

>>33665990
He looks like the kind of guy who'd pay a nigger to sodomize his wife.

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Man, I really love ww2 tanks
>tfw no battle of kursk movie
Feels bad man

>>33671953
>Wet stowage consisted of surrounding the ammunition stowage bins with a water/gylcerine mixture held in an outer hollow casing. The idea was that the water mixture would pour out over any penetration of the bins by enemy AP shot/ shell fragments thereby preventing or at least slowing ammunition fires.

>This modification appeared in Feb 44 on late production M4A3s

>A US Army study showed that 10 - 15% 0f wet stowage Shermans burned compared with up to 80% of dry stowage vehicles.

Sourced from some tanker forum.

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>>33663718
It's a well known fact that rifle bullets would go right through the sherman's paper-thin armor. Most of the destroyed sherman's in this thread were actually destroyed by lone riflemen who needed to only shoot the 'tank' once.

>>33663794
Are you still allowed to own new manufactured automatic weapons?

>>33663718

Shit tactics, mostly.

Still, it doesn't matter if it loses 5:1 as long as you can field more than 10:1.

>>33664419
Gaijin please leave.

>>33664419
Could deflect 50mm, but not the 88.

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>>33663791
>Tank designed to fuck Russian tank designs in the ass
>Takes minor losses in an occupational war when it was designed to light the fuck out of oncoming mass-produced communist tanks before back up to the hill behind it and repeating the process
>"DURR BTFO!"

>>33674180

Abrams is 90% a German tank though.

I was in that big new WW2 museum in Poland recently and it's pretty surprising how large Sherman was compared to T-34.

They have a Firefly and T-34 85 standing close to each other and it's really surprising.

I guess that big profile together with not so amazing armor was a big downside.

They look much better than T-34 though.

>>33674204
>Germany made the biggest investment into tanks and specifically tanks that fuck Russians

whoa...

Daily reminder that that the Sherman and T34 had nearly identical armour on the upper glacis (47mm at 60° for the T34 and 50.4mm at 56° for the M4 Sherman, which was the most fielded variant but later models had armour up to 89mm thick)

this is a bad thread but also a good thread because it's full of neat tank pictures

I want to see different destroyed tanks

who's got some wrecked commie tanks or italian tanks?

haven't seen many pictures of jap or italian tanks in general, really

>>33666266
>posts flight capable Sherman glider variant with optional turret dismount.

Whats the problem?

>>33670621
Well, dead bodies are just meat, not a person, so yeah, only props

>>33674272
At least the Sherman's armor wasn't welded by workers who were dying of hunger and exposure.

>>33673403
Das Bernsteinzimmer!

>>33663718
>Was it its gasoline engine

>M4 Sherman
>Various gasoline engines and a couple diesel models

>Panzer IV
>Maybach HL 120 TRM 12-cylinder gasoline engine

Why didn't the Panzer IV spontaneously Pinto?

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>>33664841
Winning a war.

>>33663718
Why did the Germans always lose wars against other europeans?

Was it their natural weakness or their flawed ideology?

>>33675353
Probably both. Fucking autistic krauts never think 2 steps ahead.

>>33666592
>allowed to make whatever life choices
lol illegal opinions

>>33664544
No more brother wars

>>33674204
I wouldn't call a gun derived from a gun derived from a co American-German project 90%.

>>33675339
>16 years later in the middle East, more brown people flooding in than we ever killed.

Hmm

>>33674215
>I guess that big profile together with not so amazing armor was a big downside.
Part of that was to make the crew spaces more ergonomic. Its part of why Sherman crews survived their tanks being hit better than others, it was much easier to get out.

>>33667372

Underrated

>>33663718
>MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES

>>33671953
Dry storage is exactly that, Storage of shells and charge bags in a rack or shelving container

Wet storage has each shell surrounded by a small water tank, if hit the water would immediately quench the shells, hopefully preventing neighboring shells from being detonated from cordite charge fires.

>>33675274
Because Shermans didn't spontaneously light up either, the whole "Ronson" thing comes from a book written by someone who never fought in or with Shermans.
Anyone who wants to dispute this, show me 1 thing. Any and I do mean ANY GERMAN field or tactical document from the war referencing Shermans readily catching fire.

Just like the 5 to 1 meme, It isn't showing the Sherman as inferior. It's showing American Logistics as superior.
It didn't TAKE 5 to kill one, it was that 5 on average were able to respond to any Tiger found.

>>33664537
I guess that's one way to get a tiger off the road.

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>>33674404
>haven't seen many pictures of jap or italian tanks in general, really
Seriously? i have seen plenty, usualy when is time to mock those tanks.

>>33676489
>Just like the 5 to 1 meme, It isn't showing the Sherman as inferior. It's showing American Logistics as superior.
>It didn't TAKE 5 to kill one, it was that 5 on average were able to respond to any Tiger found.
More accurately that a platoon of Shermans was the smallest tactical unit you moved around. Said platoon consisted of 5 tanks under ideal conditions.

>>33665099
How the fuck do you manage to completely annihilate the entire hull of a tank? Was the schwerer gustav deployed in an AT role? Is this what happens when the Russians forget their infantry protection? Seriously, wtf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ZwdZ6Htxk&feature=youtu.be

>>33663754
>Wtf are those hits from?
SIG 9mm

>>33676502
yeah, that's how it must have been
imagine your life if you just had free access to explosives. could solve all kinds of bullshit problems. pick up dogshit? fuck you i'm blowing this up

>>33664345
F

>>33665202
woah dude NS

>>33663754
Moist Nugget firing line

>>33663718
woah

>>33663943
Why did humans stop using lasers after world war 2?

>>33663943

That movie was so shit. One gigantic cliche of History Channel circa 2007.

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>It's another "I'll spam pictures of destroyed [Shermans/Tigers/Abrams/Leopards/T-72s/Other] to prove they're bad" episode
Why do people think this is persuasive?

>>33663718
That is a test range Sherman, that mans uniform looks like its from the 60s or 70s

>>33681676
They don't. It's shitpostin 101.

>>33666706
The reparations imposed on Germany were patterned directly on the ones that Prussia imposed on France a few decades earlier after the Franco-Prussian war, and France managed to pay them off in only a few years by going on a strict austerity program. The rise of the Nazis owes more to how the German government and people reacted to the reparations than to the reparations themselves.

I recommend Richard Evans' Third Reich trilogy if you want to learn more about this stuff than you ever wanted to know, the first half of the first book is pretty much devoted to this exact issue.

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>>33663718
>>33663727

>>33666840
and poles, ukrainians, belausians, people form baltic states...

>>33664468
In b4 "muh monkey model"