Are western troops taught to destroy their weapons before

>>33653337
Proof all women are attention whores.

>>33653337
I've read a few books of snipers taking their bolts out when they think they'll be overrun.

>tfwqt3.14shootinggf

>>33653337
In bootcamp we were told that being ordered to surrender was an unlawful order that we were obligated to disobey.

>>33653337
There are official procedures on how to destroy M16/M4 in the US Army to prevent capture by enemy. No one is ever taught that shit, though (America could never lose) - it's just in the TM.

>>33653623
>Stick barrel into dirt
>pull trigger
Destroyed. How fucking hard was that?

>surrendering
haha

How would you destroy a tank if you had to abandon it?

>>33653679
Scuttle charges.

>>33653679
>open shell storage
>drop nade down hatch

>>33653679
Generally an airstrike in the occasion an American tank is immobilized and we don't want to recover.

termites on prc

>>33653679
>>33653707
Give it to the Iraqi Army. They'll get it destroyed within a week.

>>33653655
>chop barrel
>recrown
>shorten gas system if necessary

Fixed. How fucking hard was that?

>>33653337
We were taught how to accept surrender but not how to do it ourselves, only a fool would surrender to durkhas.

>surrendering
>not pulling the pin

>>33653410
Can you explain why those navy faggots surrendered to Iranians instead of blowing up the Iran?

The USA hasn't fought an enemy worth surrendering to in ages. Offing yourself or fighting until the death would probably be the go to option.

>>33653337
>Are western troops taught to destroy their weapons before surrendering?

No some units like the FFL will not surrender unless they keep weapons.

>>33653655
lol, no. you are supposed to break you weapon down, take the firing pin and stick it in the ground and stomp on it like a nail, then scatter the other parts. If you need to destroy a vehicle, you are supposed to put a white phosphorus grenade on top of the engine, and one on the radios. if it's a tank, you are supposed to put one in the breach of the main gun

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>>33653725
Pretty much this. If you're going to be captured by them you're better off running and getting shot in the back or taking out as many as possible. Or be like that Russian officer and call in an airstrike on yourself.

>>33653725
this
you should never surrender to guerilla fighters (especially hadji), you will wish you killed yourself

Art. 7
Au combat, tu agis sans passion et sans haine, tu respectes les ennemis vaincus, tu n’abandonnes jamais ni tes morts, ni tes blessés, ni tes armes.

In combat, you act without passion and without hate, you respect defeated enemies, and you never abandon your dead, your wounded, or your arms.

FFL

>>33653337
Was taught to take the weapon apart and scatter it in basic. Was taught by PSG about Nanawatai. Was told by Squad leader just to decide beforehand if you wanted to fight to the death or carry an extra round in your pocket to kill yourself.

Realistically there's a good chance your own government is funding the people you're fighting against so scuttling your weapon won't matter. If anything I'd put a much higher priority on wrecking my NODs.

>>33653762
They use thermite grenades/charges, not willy-pete, but the application is the same. Activate, set on/in whichever equipment you want to turn into melted slag.

>>33653716
How do you plan on putting your receiver back together too? Superglue?
>>33653762
>enemy caught me with my pants down
>hold on let me just do all of that and then you can come make me surrender

>>33653357
Always one of you autistic virgins

>>33653623
Depending on how much time you have
>Pop the receiver, pull the bolt carrier and knock out the cam and cam pin
>Throw bolt as far as you can throw it
>Repeat with the buffer and maybe buffer spring
>Trash the gas tube any way possible

>>33653836
>PUT YOUR HANDS UP OR I'M GOING TO SHOOT
>let me just perform a bunch of shady looking actions to deny you my weapon without you thinking I'm rigging a grenade or something
Brilliant. Like I said, just stake the barrel a foot into soil and pull the trigger. The army should change its manual.

>>33653715
kek

>>33653912
>>let me just perform a bunch of shady looking actions to deny you my weapon without you thinking I'm rigging a grenade or something
>>33653836
>Depending on how much time you have

DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAVE, I SAID. NOT ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE, ONLY ONE OR TWO.

>>33653827
Not that anon but there is a reason that was the first post and then it wasnt discussed after. Someone attention whoring isn't something you should respect or defend anon.

>>33653819
The receiver will be fine. A barrel obstruction is not a kaboom.

>>33653836
You can render your weapon inoperative, but the main reason for actual procedures is that it allows for commanders to have a uniform method of destroying a gun quickly and easily (

>>33653912
>Brilliant. Like I said, just stake the barrel a foot into soil and pull the trigger. The army should change its manual.
It's literally part of the manual, though. It's just not the preferred method. I mean, I'm sure you read it and just forgot about it, right?

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>>33653958

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No, we're taught to masturbate before surrendering. That way we can't be properly raped.

>>33653741
>navy faggots
There's your answer.

>>33653958
>>33653960
>I read it
No. I used my brain and don't need a manual for common sense like most grunts.
>receiver will be fine
Um no. It'll most likely be damaged if not destroyed. Second option:
>stick barrel in dirt or water bottle/canteen
>pour water down gas tube and barrel
>close bolt, pour more water into bcg and chamber area
>yell AllahuAckbar
>pull trigger
You've become a martyr. Receiver destroyed for sure.

>>33653337
The only thing I was taught to destroy was commo equipment that had sensitive material, like the frequency we were using, etc. Other than that it was fix bayonets and get to work.

>>33653357

>inb4 a boyfriend told her to pose for this

but yeah its always women's fault, that's a healthy mindset.

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>>33654021
>Um no. It'll most likely be damaged if not destroyed.

>>33654039
Google ar 15 squib load.

>>33654196
but the army doesnt use ar15

>>33653337

US officers are taught how, and when, to surrender their command if needed. It rarely happens of course, but can be a good idea if you are in a situation where it's that or shoot people you aren't at war with and die anyway.

Nobody gives a fuck about small arms. Destroy them if you can but it's not exactly TOP SECRET or vital equipment the opposing force is unlikely to have.

So you start by wrecking anything of vital intelligence import. Radios, scramblers, computers, any written paperwork all gets wrecked. Tanks, artillery, fuel, ammo and anything classified gets wrecked.

But yeah, they might capture your rifle intact.

>>33654316
ar15 ak47 same thing

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>>33653357
I'd be if I looked like that.

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>>33654196
>an obstruction near throat of chamber is comparable to a dirt plugged barrel

An obstruction at the end of a barrel will just have the end of the barrel explode. If you were to use your method "hurr just stik in da durt" there would be a near universal recovery rate of barrels by chopping and re-crowning by an adversary when they came across whatever the remains of whatever element was stupid enough to listen to your advice. If another unit were to follow the TM they would just destroy the bolts/breach if time/resources were long enough to permit that but not necessarily a full weapon destruction. Secondly, if other units decided to destroy the bolts the adversary could just throw the bolts from your 432nd derper battalion into the unit that actually followed the TMs and have extra guns for free courtesy of your retardation.

>>33654033
>her twitter and youtube handle are in the image
>its all her posting
wow way to project anon, just because you want to control women doesn't mean she is being controlled.
It's almost like you did zero research before making a bold claim about something you know nothing about.

>>33654355
Stick it deeper your retard. Put some dirt from chamber side too. It's a fucking rifle m8. It's worth nothing. You can still hide your firing pin up your asshole after you blow the barrel or Just kys since you're such an inept loser anyway.

Ugh, this bitch is my neighbor, fucking annoying gunbunny cunt.

>>33654389
Set up a camera facing her bathroom for us pls

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>>33654381
>Stick it deeper your retard.

How far can pile drive any of your gun barrels into the ground? Really, I understand you're inclined to double down on your shortsightedness but are you seriously suggesting that everyone is going to be able to shove their barrel far enough into the ground that it also buries their gas block as well?

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>>33654418

Not next door, shes down the street a little bit.
>tfw your dog shits in her yard and you leave it

>>33654428
Are you legit retarded? If you can't stomp your rifle to the fsb you should just end yourself.

>>33654517
Not that anon but fucking what? Oh you're one of those SHTF preppers aren't you. You won't make it 20 feet before falling on your rifle and bending it under the mass of your body.

>>33654517
>If you can't stomp your rifle to the fsb you should just end yourself.

Oh so you can do it quite easily? Have you ever tried to do it in a desert soil?

I can see it now.

>Captain Stickinnadirt has alpha company pretending his rifles are pogo sticks. After 2 minutes the majority of the company is still hasn't gone past their flash hider.
>Bravo company's comander commands for a quick and orderly stack of their sensitive items and uses some thermite or explosives to quickly destroy the entire actions and all sensitive items of all his company in one quick swoop
>Alpha company finally buries their barrels far enough and then sustains some injuries from exploding barrel shards and are still frantically trying to destroy other sensitive items and equipment
>Bravo company is already evac'ed.

>>33653679
If you had one putting a thermite grenade in the breech would work, but just opening the ammo doors and leaving a simple charge on a 2-3min fuse would also work pretty well.

>>33653357
It's more like an autism spectrum in that they all fall somewhere on it.

Do small arms really matter that much? Obviously you don't want durkas to have more weapons, but in the long run will it make that much of a difference? Even the most poorly equipped shitters will have semi automatic rifles, and in all likelyhood fully automatic weapons as well. With how widespread the AR-15 platform already is, it would make more sense to destroy anything classified like radios and optics first, then destroy any vehicles or heavy equipment with explosives. For militaries using other small arms (FAMAS, G36, L85/SA80, AK5), they could just toss them in a pile and throw some WP on them.

>>33653741
>squids surrender
>why?

They're navy, that's why.

>>33653337
Why are you surrendering? If you have functional weapons, why are you not using them to kill the people threatening you? If you have enough time to realize you are outgunned, why are you not retreating to get a better tactical situation? Why did you allow yourself to get in this clusterfuck? This is so confusing.

In OCS and SOI, our instructors were very clear that it was unlawful to order any of our soldiers to surrender, an order the soldiers were obligated to disobey.

>>33655850
Why is there a TM on expedient destruction of weapons and equipment if it shouldn't be happening?

>>33653715
Selling it for scrap =\= scuttling

>>33653655
>>33653762
You fags are overthinking ir
>everyone except one guy throws weapons in a pile
>last guy shoots them all or takes a wp grenade to them.

>>33656273
For arty tubes and mortar, sure. Trucks, tanks, and APC's also get crapped. But that's part of retreating, not surrendering.

>>33656891
And what if you have nowhere to retreat to?

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>not denying the enemy weapons

shit thread honestly. might have to deny this thread to the enemy.

>>33657421
shame that generation kill had to end so quickly

>>33657955

>there will never be generation kill 2.0 electric bogaloo

at least my mom took me to nascar

>>33656990
Why are you trying to re-enact Dunkirk you dingus.

If they've got you surrounded, call in air evac. If they've got control of the skies, hold out for a few hours until we can regain air superiority. Really, surrender should never be an option. My grandpa surrendered to the Japs, and he said it was the worst mistake he ever made. Told me to fight, and if I was captured, escape.

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>>33657987

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>>33653337
Nah, take your guns with you.

>>33658024

i dont know why generation kill memes are so memeable, but they be.

too bad if something as good came out now it would just be memed out like a roastie with 100000 in cock mileage.

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>>33653827

>>33653807
>never abandon your dead
That's a good way to get killed.

They're already dead, you sticking around doesn't do them any good.

>>33653679
>m1 Abrams
> tc: zero all opsec using the "oh shit" button
>loader: remove firing pin from beach
>driver: block exhaust with rag, leave tank on, engine overheats and burns
>gunner: cries as he watches the tank burn

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>Surrender
???

>>33655850
They're talking about who you were fighting.

Isis, terrorists, etc are not lawful and thus cannot give or be expected to abide by the lawful code of conduct for pow. Therefore, technically/ legally you cannot surrender to Mohammed.

You can surrender to a sovern and recognized nation though.

>>33653819
>enemy caught me with my pants down
You can't really do anything if they're got you like that. If you've got time, ie, if you're surrounded by the enemy and know you can't hold out, that's when you destroy your weapons.

>>33658398
>t. someone who's never served

While I still have the means to resist, my commanding officer CANNOT order my surrender, and if does, I am compelled by duty and the UCMJ to ignore that shit and keep firing.

Commanding officers are only authorized to surrender if their entire fucking unit is completely incapable of inflicting meaningful damage to the enemy.

>>33658483
As a followup to this, I couldn't stop laughing at those navy faggots that got caught by Iran. We have very specific directives covering what to do in those situations, and those pieces of shit did literally EVERYTHING the training tells you not to do. I mean they're probably going to be in the next edition of the training manual they're so bad.

>>33658398
>You can surrender to a sovern and recognized nation though.
Lolno. Surrender is considered high treason. There is NO justification to stop fighting while you're still alive. I don't care if you're down to your bare fists. You fight and die, or surrender and be executed when we inevitably recapture you. It's that simple.
I can see you're not the smartest, but you see the little squiggly line under the word sovern? That's because you spelled it wrong, you crayon eating fuck. Right click on it, and you can replace it with the correct spelling.

>>33654033
The idea that women do not have agency is far less healthy, and far more pervasive.

>>33658525
Fucking keyboard warriors, howabout next you tell me about how you're basically SF

>>33657421
I would follow Captain America's tracers any day

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>>33658525
So when Major General Edward King surrendered the American forces in the Philippines, under orders from POTUS, he was following an illegal order and committing treason?

>>33653337
>being taught to surrender

but in all seriousness, it'd probably be the same we do with enemy weapons- take the bolts or at least the firing pin out.

>>33658525
Jesus christ who dug up Hirohito and gave him a keyboard?

>>33653337
In the early 80s Air Force my father said they were told to kick out the gas tube if they were surrendering.

>>33653912
>PUT YOUR HANDS UP OR I'M GOING TO SHOOT
>let me just discharge this gun real fast

nice

Those are some nice Countertops.

>>33653357
Fpbp

>>33658304
I don't know if you've stood behind the exhaust but that cloth would catch fire before the engine over heated, you're better off putting the tarp over the intake.

Is an M16/M4 landing into the hands of ISIS really that big of a deal? They seem to have plenty of AK platform rifles as is, so it's not like they're hurting for infantry weapons.

>>33653337
>surrendering
lol

>>33653679
Take the keys out and throw 'em

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>>33654649

>>33653337
Well one- You can't really surrender to people who are going to kill you anyway
And two- Yes. Instructions are given in US technical manuals and field manuals on how to destroy the equipment they are for.

>>33653337
Nope. Taught not to surrender. Fight to the death. Surrender is only acceptable if there are no means of fighting back.

Make no mistake, it doesn't mean we're like stupid Japs who die for no cause. You fight until you can't fight anymore. If the enemy defeats you and allows you mercy, you can accept.

>>33658525
Fucking time traveling nips. You're either fishing for (you)s, genuinely insane, or an internet tough guy who has no idea what they're talking about.
You are allowed to surrender once your unit is rendered combat incapable. There's no reason to throw away your troops on a suicide mission that won't accomplish anything.

>>33659782
>AK platform rifles
>not like they're hurting for infantry weapons
Go back and reread what you just said. I'll wait.

>>33660006
I mean like a main assault rifle, not tanks or grenade launchers and all that good shit. The M16/M4/AR and AK-47/M/74/Whatever all fill the same niche.

>>33653741
what would've happened if they hadnt surrendered and started shooting? Would anyone be like courtmartialed?

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>>33653753
Sure thing

>>33653741
What would shooting them have accomplished?

>>33653357
Yup
>haha I have to be 1/3 of the frame and look at me I'm not even wearing pants!

>>33661606
What did they do wrong?

>>33662280
Trusting Obungo

>>33653357
>>/pol/

>>33653357
if only understanding them made you more successful with them...

>>33662280
failing to sink Iranian bote.

>>33653679
shoot straight up

>>33653337
No, but I imagine if I had to I'd just bury the firing pin and the gas plug

Not like anyone wants to reverse engineer an SA80 anyway

>>33656273
>Why is there a TM on expedient destruction of weapons and equipment if it shouldn't be happening?
> if it shouldn't be happening?

Warfare is about making something happen to people who think it shouldn't be happening.

Sometimes you're the one it's happening too.

Any competent military will make plans for when they have a bad day and everything gets fucked up.

>>33653337
The royal artillery view their guns as their colours and whenever possible would try to destroy them to prevent capture. Before Gloster hill fell in Korea the gunners shoved grenades down their mortar barrels before surrendering.

>>33662379

when did it become ok to use ellipsis on 4chan?

>>33658660
>So when Major General Edward King surrendered the American forces in the Philippines, under orders from POTUS, he was following an illegal order and committing treason?
Probably but when orders come from high enough it doesn't really matter. Consequences are for little people.

>>33662356
Isn't it more like /r9k/ ?

>>33653337
Who is this sperm wyrm?

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>>33655850

You are wrong. Code of conduct says you will not surrender yourself or those under your command "while they still have the means to resist". During a JAG brief my unit got, he said that if fighting to the death will gain no military benefit, than you can surrender. But if, for example, you can cause a lot of damage to the enemy while helping to protect friendly forces, you are obligated to not surrender.