Am I the only one who thinks an AK-47 is a piece of junk? I rarely

>>33635156
>buying American AKs
There's your problem.

>>33635163
The one I fired was East German

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>>33635156
Why can't I just like and have both? They're different calibers.

They are both good, but just diffrent guns. plz go

Sure is spring break up in here.

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>>33635156
Oh here we go again.
The AK, AR, FAL, and G3 have been in pretty much every war zone on the planet. They have all proven themselves far beyond any reasonable doubt.
Both rifles are just fine.

>>33635176
again, handling. It want nearly as comfortable as my AR. So fuck your shitty african child gun

>>33635169
>And when it comes to accuracy … if you have a good barrel and good ammo, you can group at 500 with that thing easy.
Holy shit he's retarded

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>>33635199
>I only own guns if my fat fingers can reach all the controls

I prefer ARs too, especially when it comes to practicality, but holy shit you sound like a massive autist.

Apparently we aren't allowed to own guns if they aren't practical, guys, throw away all the collectibles and oddities because "muh handling."

>inb4 I was merely pretending

>>33635207
Am I missing something? NRA High Power requires a 500 yard event.

>muh handlin
None of us are ever going to be tier 1 enough to where that actually matters.
Also why no 5.45? That's way more common in military service than 7.62x39

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>>33635156
>measuring energy in "feet"

My opinion is that the AK is a wonderful rifle, but even the best AK on the planet is not worth more than $500-600. It's a cheap rifle designed to be placed in the hands of millions of illiterate conscripts, and continue functioning regardless of incompetence.

This is not putting down the AK in any fashion. As I said it's a great rifle for the purpose it was designed for. I just can't see myself ever dropping a grand on a rifle just so I can pound tent stakes in with it.

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>>33635207
A former member of Delta Force, is retarded....

>>33635289
Not just muh handlin though. My SLR has sharp ass corners everywhere, the stock is designed for someone under 5'4", replacing a trigger had me cursing for 2 hours, and it's heavy as fuck so shooting long strings offhand past 25y isn't much fun.

That side charging handle is the best feeling every though, and I love the smell of burning Hornady 7.62x39 powder so much I'd buy it in a cologne.

But for something I had to do for 4-8 hours a day? AR15, all day every day.

>>33635156
What about the AK-74?

>>33635296
Youve clearly never owned a VEPR

both are shit

>>33635296
perhaps it wouldn't be worth more than $600 if American manufacturing wasn't absolute garbage. it's a beautifully engineered rifle, and a properly made one with high quality furniture, be it wood or whatever else, easily worth $1500 or more. there are plenty of Nazi guns out there that aren't half as good, and plenty of people think they're worth twice that for shitty milled reproductions. historical value and nazi fetishism still don't make up for it, imho.

>>33635169
>The STG-44's wife's son is a brown eyed russian mongrel.
Thank you, I was looking for a way to incorporate my cuck fetish into my firearm hobby.

>>33635331
Huh, after I replaced the stock on my M70 shes been pretty great. No sharp edges or anything.
My biggest complaint is that for some reason the wood she came could probably be classified as balsa wood so I got that shit off as quickly as possible. The biggest thing for me that elevates to AK over the AR though is just the ease of maintenance. There's nothing really small or easy to lose track of to deal with.

>>33635207
>Holy shit he's retarded

No, you're just fucking stupid. A skilled enough shooter can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiq3szgZgjI

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>>33635199
>It want nearly as comfortable as my AR.

I must like fat chicks then, because although I like my AR, it still feels slim and anorexic to me. WASR-10 is a comfy little butterball to snuggle up to.

I like both. I will always like both, but I like the AK design more, shortcomings or no.

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>>33635529
>that stock pouch

>>33635495
>that counts as a grou
sure you can engage and supress at that distance, but when your grouping becomes larger than a man sized target, then it stops being a group. next your gonna say an AK can hit at 800 yards, when the group is the size of a barn. fact is, you cannot consistently hit a man sized target at 500 yards with an AK, however in the world of military where you're spending 1 million bullets per enemy killed, the AKM is servicable for combat at 500M, although every military that has money has gone to 5.56 or 5.45, because it's really not ideal.

>>33635572
That's the best you got? Really?

>>33635590
>guy hits a target the size of a small mans torso 7/10 times
>b-but its not accurate enough to hit a man at that distance
There are 1moa AKs. You need to fuck off with your fuddlore.

>>33635612
not him.
your butt-stock appears to be trash also

>>33635653
he should have used binos and a laser range finder or zoomed in from a distance

Yeah an AK47 is pretty fucking outdated.
Which is why all modern militaries that use AK patterns use 74s, you mongoloid

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>>33635156
>AK 47
>vs
>AR 15
wtf are you doing?

AR15 800 rounds a minute? I feel sorry for the guy with that trigger fingers girlfriend

>>33635156
>am i the only one is is a cuckold

no unfortunately. that info-graph is hilariously wrong btw

>>33635156
>pic is an M4/M4gery
>8.8lbs loaded, 40" long
Wow this infographic is wrong as fuck
>weight of a Colt M4: 6.68lbs
>weight of a loaded USGI aluminum magazine and 62gr M855: 16.07oz (exactly 1 pound)
>total weight of a loaded Colt M4: 7.78lbs

Also there is no way in fuck an AR with a 16" barrel is longer than an AK with a 16" barrel since the AK's receiver is literally twice as long.

>>33636004
I'd honestly prefer Negan as a friend. If he genuinely liked you he'd probably be a great guy to have a drink with.

>>33635259
And the NRA High Power 500yd target is literally the size of a car.

>>33635207
How about the whole quote?
>Easy one, AR, that’s not even close. That 7.62×39 is a devastating round. It’s going to go right through a lot of stuff — it’s really freaking bad ass. But ergonomically, the AK-47 is just not sound — that’s a conscript army freaking gun. To me the AR is just a more professional platform, and there’s a lot more you can do with it. And when it comes to accuracy … if you have a good barrel and good ammo, you can group at 500 with that thing easy.

>>33635156
Okay, but how often have you fired it in circumstances that are actually likely to jam your gun? Sandstorms and blizzards and such?

That's where it really shines--it's not a coincidence that sand dwellers use it so much. Of course on the range your AR won't jam anymore than an AK will.

>>33635295
Muzzle energy is usually measured in ft. lbs.
or "foot pounds"

>>33636730
I'm a Burger. Believe me when I tell you that the foot-pound is a shit unit. NASA can't even use that shit, because it's a measure of gravity, and it's not constant across different elevations.

This is 4chan. The greatest wizard autist in the history of the world quantified gravity. We should at least use measures of energy based on his work.

TL;DR: Fuck foot-pounds. Use a joule.

>>33636803
it literally doesn't goddamn matter when you're not actually doing math involving shit like "how many joules/ft. lbs of compressing force can X handle", muzzle energy is just a number that tells you nothing besides how much power cartridges have relative to each other so we could measure it in the mass of dicks for all I care.

>>33635156
The ak-47 hasnt been improved on much but rather changed on using Kalashnikov's formula. For example the ak-74 An-97 ak-12 and such. Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>33635529
Nice donkey dick

>>33637209
>Nice donkey dick

Thanks.

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>>33635156
post your ar

>>33636920
> Be up in the Himalayans
> About to be raped by Sherpa
> Pull out pistol; two to the chest
> He laughs at you
> "You're yankee ft-lbs mean nothing up here."
> Shama-llama-ding-dongs intensify

>>33637121
Did you mean the AN-94? That shit had some goofball pulley system to delay recoil and try to put 2 rounds nearly in the same spot. It was also supposed to be a bitch to work on.

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>>33635156
Here's the full version since op didn't bother to post it

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>>33638572
Oops, that was the thumb,

>>33635311
>a jarhead jock selected for physical conditioning is retarded
ues

>>33636803
>>33636803
>ft-pounds
>measure of gravity
>not constant across different elevations

protip, ft-lbs is a measure of energy like joules (newton-meters)
try not to be a retard next time

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>>33635156
>AK has horrible handling
Can people just not learn to use rifles to their preference?
You hand me anything other than my primary rifle and I'm not going to be as efficient with it than what I train on and am used to.

>>33635311
>soldier
>smart

pick one

>>33635156
I dunno. I've fed my Opap some trashy ammo in janky mags and it's never failed. The AK is not as accurate or effective at extended ranges as an AR for sure, but if you're engaging someone beyond 300 or so meters it'll be more potshots than anything with both guns. I also doubt I could bash a face in with an AR stock or clean one by throwing it into a river. I enjoy a rugged rifle good for fucking up both people and animals, and the AK fits perfect.

Really it boils down to "What do I want my gun to be good at?" There is no real "better" option.

I have a converted saiga.
I enjoy shooting it more than I do ARs.
It's reasonably accurate, functions flawlessly.
Eats cheap ammo.
Best upgrade for any AK is a set of gloves.

>>33635156
>Energy measured in feet
What the fuck is wrong with you americans?

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>>33635199

>>33640191
this made me giggle a lot for some reason

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>>33635156
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

>>33638572
where the fuck do i have to go to buy an ak for $350

>>33640948
Any country except USA
New ak74m cost 250$ for army from factory

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>>33638595
that map is shit

>Finnish army uses the Rk-62 and Rk-95, which are based on the AK
>Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria, Serbia, Poland and many other Eastern European countries use AK-variants.
>Sweden,Germany, UK, France, Italy use their own service rifles and only assign ARs to certain units.

too many mistakes to count desu

>>33640148
This
I've got an AR and a Saiga converted to match an SGL-21
Sure, the AK bucks a bit more than the AR, but it's far from being unreasonable
I mean hell, the bullet's more than twice as heavy.
There is literally nothing wrong with an 7.62 AK within 300 yards.

>>33635169
>that image
wehraboos need to stop existing.

>>33641385

where's the lie

>>33635169
STG is right,AK is Garand's son.

>>33638572
7 moa for an AR? a really bad one then.

>>33640026
If you want to get technical, you clod, it's a measure of energy required to displacr a pound a foot at a constant acceleration, ala force x distance.

Except a chunk of metal that weighs a lbs at sea level vs a chunk of metal that weighs 1lbs at 40km up have different masses. It only gets worse in orbit.

Joules rule and ft-lbs drool.

>>33635331
Hahahahah shooting Hornaday 7.62x39 and not cheap steel gt, wolf, or bear. What the fuck is wrong with you.
Its like the low cost .30 cal benefits of an ak are lost on you.
You probably feed your ARs TAP ammo tac pro bullshit to shoot paper and steel.
Yeah you should run some ammo if its gonna be for home defense to make sure it feeds/fires right but I surely hope you dont waste the money on Hornaday x39 for plinking.
You could get like 4x as much golden tiger for the money and shoot/practice/tier1 operator fantasy more.

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>>33635156
>obligatory post about muh reliabilitah

>>33642687
I use it out on the rifle range with a 1-4x for pigs and use Silver Bear JHP for drills. I reload my own 5.56 for anything but close range drills as well in my AR.

That Hornady powder though? Best smell in the world.

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>>33642862
this

>>33636004
Wow, cool picture you got there. What subreddit did you get it from this time?

>>33642919
>/r/d.o.d.
>dicks on demand

>>33635331
>replacing an AK trigger took you 2 hours
Holy fuck you're legitimately retarded. I'm not even saying that to be mean. You just don't seem to be aware you're functioning at a lower level than everyone else. Your opinion can objectively be discarded as wrong on everything.

>>33635331
Ak-47s are anything but heavy and before you say anything yes I own a Norinco type 56s and a mak90 Sporter as well as a ar15

>>33643269
Lawl, someone's upset the Yanks figured out how to not rely on shitty Sheppard's hooks to keep their pins in place.

>>33643269
I'm the guy you're responding to.

ALG trigger in AK: 120 mins
SSA-E in AR: 20mins

Congrats. Stoner figured out a design that lets me, the retard, change a trigger out in 1/6th the time. Go USA.

>>33643327
>the yanks
>having any trouble at all, ever, working on an AK trigger
>implying i like the AK just because I'm not a drooling retard like you
Refer to my last comment about you.

>>33643434
It's literally the same install process except for the retaining plate
>2 trigger pins
>trigger
>hammer
>disconnect
How do you take 2 hours of fucking around for you to figure that out?

>>33643465
Probably because the SLR had no retaining plate, just a shepherd's hook. I'd send it to you next time except you don't appear to know what you're talking about.

>>33635168
Cuck

>>33643513
So you bought a shitty AK that used a paperclip instead of the proper retaining plate and that excuses you being too dumb to figure it out? It's still not a difficult thing to do.

>>33643559
We can't all shoot Tapco triggers, anon.

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>>33643523
What a well thought out counter argument

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These threads are for fucking nogunz or people who only have one and are baiting each other and all of you know that. Any of you with both rifles know that they're both fucking fine.

>>33635529
you're just doing it wrong. slap a crane style stock and some nice big rail covers on that baby and it will be wide as fuck.

>>33640298
This guy gets it

>>33635416
VEPRs are nice for an AK but that's like saying a '63 Mercedes 230SL nice for a classic car. It may be the best built, highest quality example among its peer group and it might operate in a familiar enough fashion to not turn away those who have only operated modern equivalents, but it's still objectively inferior to anything else you can buy for $100,000 (seriously, Pagoda Mercedes' are stupid expensive) unless you're buying it as a collector.

>>33643803
>but it's still objectively inferior to anything else you can buy for $100,000
What can you buy for $900 thats objectively better than a VEPR besides an AR? The only example i can think of for your dumb assertion is a high quality bolt action rifle which may be slightly more accurate. Maybe 1/2 inch at 100 yards. Everything else is either objectively worse or noticeably more expensive.

>>33644564
Different anon. I'd take a PTR91 with a rail over a VEPR, although I'm probably going to pay $1000 for it.

Then again I'm going to spend some more for a dovetail mount on the VEPR anyway, assuming I can find one that fits it weird spec.

>>33644590
>I'd take a PTR91 with a rail over a VEPR
Thats great, but it doesnt mean the VEPR isnt a better rifle.

>>33644601
Says you. But that's the subjective nature of the beast.

>>33643302
Standard akm is around 9lbs unloaded/without mag. Thats a pound and a half heavier than most other assault rifles. The actual ak47 was almost 10lbs, and the various civilian AKs run from 7.5lbs to over 12lbs for the 16", some form of stock'd rifles.

>>33644622
It costs an extra $400 for the heavy barrel thats standard on a VEPR

>>33644868
I don't want a heavy barrel on either one. I'm not shooting prairie dogs all day.

>>33638572
Post a smaller one I think I can read it.

>>33635156
I don't know much about the AK other than what blatant fanboys say, but in the military our C7A1's were reliable as fuck, like covered in mud and who knows what, yet continued to fire no problem

>>33641106
>Bongs use SA80
>Upsidedownlanders use Aug
>Frogs use FAMAS
>/k/rauts use G36
>Finns use RK 62
>chinks use QBZ
were they even trying to be accurate with this map?

>>33638595
>10 MOA
lmao

>>33638572
>Finland
>AR15

>Sweden
>AR15

Is this chart fucking retarded

>>33638595
>caliber
>the one on the left isn't even a 7.62x39 cartridge

>>33635590
Ive seen people miss at 500 yards with an m16a4 and rco while shooting at a man sized target. Both rifles are more accurate then you are.

Just because the rifle can hit targets out to x yards doesnt mean the person shooting can.

>>33635156

How is it that on a board about guns, all I ever see is "IS X JUST SHIT? IS IT A MEME?"

A better question OP - am I the only one that thinks you're noguns?

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>>33638595
What the actual fuck is this graph kek

>>33635156
>energy
>units if length
Energy doesn't have units of length unless we use hbar=1