>Hannibal >Lee >Rommel >Gustavus Adolphus >Napoleon

>>33634067
>Gustavus Adolphus
>lost

Go back to school.

>>33634067
To be fair Napoleon actually commanded in 7 wars, won the first 5, was narrowly defeated in the 6th then was finished off in the 7th.

Feel free to look it up, he was no loser.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Wars

>>33634067
Albert Kesselring was better to be quite honest

>>33634067
What makes a commander a loser?

Does their nation losing the war, of which that specific person was only a small part of, wash away the previous successes?
Or does losing one engagement forever label you a failure? If so, nearly every commander in history is a loser.

Burn down the book store.

Then you'll go to jail, and shitposting will no longer be a concern for you

GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS IS THE FUCKING BEST YOU FUCKING FAGGOT, IF HE DIDNT DIED THE WOLRD TODAY WOULD BE 100% PROTESTANT!!!!!!!!!

>>33634067
Why not give them plaudits for the stuff they did win? Everyone blows it at some point, the only difference is whether it's at the beginning, middle, or end of their careers.

>>33634316

Don't you know it only counts if they won in the end.

So Monty was the best ww2 commander.
WW1 Luigi Cadorno

>>33634420
so carolus rex was a dipshit for you, hm?

>>33634067
Napoleon won a lot more than he lost.

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>>33634420
>Best WW1 commander Luigi Cadorno

I dread to fucking think of this, even in jest.

>>33634067
>Not worshipping Scipio Africanus

Everyone brings up Hannibal but forgets the man who beat him.

>>33634099
>get beat by the Danes so bad you're forced to pay tribute to their king right up until the day you die
>"hurrrr didn't lose any territory so he didn't lose"
kys

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>>33634126
The defence that his forces put in Italy is indeed very in laudable.

Yes Hannibal was a genius alright, top notch move on his part sending his army over the mountains on elephants...

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Top Tier general/statesman reporting in

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>>33634067

>>33636243
Fabius deserves his measure of credit, too.

>>33636872
C'mon, who doesn't know Onkel Albert.

>>33636872
who tf is blaskowitz

>>33636872
Should add a deeper level with Dirlewanger

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>>33637068
Johannes Blaskowitz, one of those extremely correct types.Exerted firm control of his men about the correct treatment of civilians, complained about the SS troops fuckeries, got booted because of that. Came back later to occupied France, fought the allies in southern France, ended in northern occupied Holland, permitting allied food airdrops for the civilian population, and surrendered to the Canadians. He was charged with war crimes after the war, and even if everyone believed that he would be acquitted of all charges, he commited suicide by jumping from a building.

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>>33636872
The name Skorzeny may be known, but the madness that is Skorzeny can never be fully comprehended.

>>33634623
Good song tho desu senpai

>>33634124
he very easily could have won the 7th war at Waterloo too

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>>33637068

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>>33636872
Walther Model is olev

>>33634067
>If a side loses in a war it means that they had not a single good tactician

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>>33636872
Udet seemed like a fun guy until he killed himself.

But what did it take for them to lose?

Most of the greats did amazing things until they ran out of resources or good ideas.

>>33637724
Udet's story is a sad one. Just wanted to fly and have fun (Maybe a little too much fun).
But he got sucked into politics and bureaucracy, things fell apart around him and he got blamed, and then he became a drunk.
Goering threw him under the bus and it killed him.

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>>33636284
>In an era characterized by almost endless warfare, he led his armies as king from 1611 (at age 16) until his death in battle in 1632 while leading a charge—as Sweden rose from the status of a mere regional power to one of the great powers of Europe and a model of early modern era government. Within only a few years of his accession, Sweden had become the largest nation in Europe after Russia, Spain and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Some have called him the "father of modern warfare",[6] or the first great modern general. Under his tutelage, Sweden and the Protestant cause developed a number of excellent commanders, such as Lennart Torstensson, who would go on to defeat Sweden's enemies and expand the boundaries and the power of the empire long after Gustavus Adolphus' death in battle.
Stop talking shit about Gustav.
Also, danes are fucking retarded.

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>>33637818
It's really unfortunate.

>>33637865
And now Sweden is the one sucking Muslim cock and getting rammed by Muhammed and his big Moor cock while Denmark remains relatively uncucked.

Filthy Swedes. When will they learn to bow to their Dane masters? Danes have always been the GOAT Scandis

>>33637942
>Denmark
>Country made out of clay
>Sweden
>cut out from fucking granite.
Denmark a shit.
They can't even talk like normal people.

>>33634099
>>33634124
First posts best posts
The rest of those losers can eat a dick.

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>>33634420
>Monty

>>33638138
top fucking kek

>>33636872
>No Hoth

>>33637430
>permitted enemy airdrops
>surrendered
ya definitely a guy I would want on my team.

>>33637546
If the Prussians didn't save Wellington, yes.

>>33634067
>It's Rommels fault that the war was lost
>you should glorify American generals who did nothing but throwing unlimited amounts of resources into Europe

>>33639152
>Thinking the man who goes "what supplies" and micromanaged like a bitch was good general

Rommel is the meme general

>>33636490
The elephants werent a problem. In fact, the feat itself was amazing. He only lost one battle senpai

>>33638007
Cucked Swede detected

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Can we take a second and talk about what a fucking legend this guy was?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Austria#The_War_of_Cyprus_and_Battle_of_Lepanto

>>33638138
>the eternal bong
Oh Monty

>>33638138
Three words: Operation Market Garden...

>>33636872
>no Model
>no Heinrici

ausgelöst

>>33634284
t. papist boy rapist

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>>33634420
>>33640177
>>33638138
>monty
>winning ww2

wrong

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Why does nobody talk about this guy?

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>>33634067
>List of plebs
Fuck 'em.
Alexander THE GREAT is literally the greatest of all time. Nobody else even comes close. Tell me I'm wrong. You fucking can't.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.history.com/news/history-lists/eight-surprising-facts-about-alexander-the-great

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>>33641615
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_Sun-sin
Didn't conquer territory like Alexander but his acheivements were impressive as all hell. Sadly hes not that well known outside of Korea or Japan

>>33641602
His face is too ugly.

>>33641602
airforce

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This guy is an actual great commander. And his book "On Guerrilla Warfare" is GOAT.

>The first documented, systematic study of guerrilla warfare, Mao Tse-tung's 1937 text remains the definitive guide to orchestrating revolution in developing countries. Based on Mao's own experiences in fighting Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists and his interpretations of the classic strategies of Sun-tzu, On Guerrilla Warfare outlines the tactics that have proven effective around the world, from Vietnamese jungles to Middle Eastern deserts.

>Prescient in his thinking and concise in his expression, Mao conceived of guerrilla operations as a complement to traditional warfare. He explains why guerrilla activities should be integrated into conventional military procedures and discusses the organization and operation of guerrilla units. His unorthodox strategies transform disadvantages into benefits: using retreat as an offensive maneuver; indoctrinating locals for employment as spies; and compensating for lack of firepower with speed, surprise, and initiative.

And really, he has never lost a war.

>>33639370
>Le supply lines XD

YOU FUCKING TRY TO RELY ON FUCKING ITALIANS FOR YOUR LOGISTICS SUPPLY CHAIN.

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>>33641722
>never lost a war

So, the Autumn Harvest Uprising and the long March don't count?

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>>33641741
>relying on Italians for anything

>>33641615
Subutai or this guy >>33641639

>>33634174
Apparently both, as well as losing the war of public opinion or not being aesthetic.

AKA, /k/ is full of violent, homosexual retards.

>>33641745
Sure he lost a number of battles.

But tactical retreats turned into strategic victories is pretty classic guerrilla warfare.

He understood that fighting pitched battles against a conventional force wasnt so good after all, and concentrated fully on guerrilla strategies from then on.

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>>33641678
He looked better before the accident.

>>33634067
>>Hannibal
>>Napoleon

>Stop. If I see one more book lauding Napoleon or Rommel as the greatest military commanders the world has ever known I'm going to burn down the book store

If you are not baiting but sincerely think that at least those two (H & N) were not some of the greatest military genius history ever offered then you are retarded or ignorant beyond hope of redemption.

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>>33641722
>The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.

Not if you burn down every single enemy village you come across.

Rommel should never have been sent to Africa. The theater needed someone like Kesselring who could tie down the most Allies with the least shipping tonnage. Rommel would have been a wonderful general on the Eastern front.

>this was the best thing for which Skorzeny had ever been responsible.

Goddamn I love Eisenhower.

>>33641639
It was a limited theater and a lot can be chalked up to Japan being awful at anything naval unless they are fighting Russians but Yi Sun-sin consistently went hard in the paint.

>>33642325
A Certain amount of the resources allies sent for Africa were because of Rommels reputation and ability to push with tanks. While Rommel would have done well in the east I'm not sure Kesselring could do what Rommel did in Africa.

>>33642218
Japanese did exactly that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy

And they still couldnt pacify China or destroy the communist gorrillas.

Killing civilians usually is a fairly shit way to pacify a country that has more people than you have occupational troops. Especially if your occupation also relies on a collaborist government of locals, who are actually secretly sympathetic with the cause of the resistance movement.

>>33642218
>>33642524


We (the british) put everyone in the vicinity of guerillas in concentration camps, it was very effective.
Then the guerrilas would starve and eventually peter out, those who were captured be told where their families were, the ones who tried to organise non-cooperation would be hanged or had their balls crushed with pliers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Mau_Uprising

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>>33636526
The Agrippa Augustus bromance might be one of the greatest in history.
Apparently Augustus always thought he was going to die young due to how sick he had been since he was a child. But, when Agrippa died before him he was absolutely devastated since the only person he considered to be his friend and equal died before him. They were true brothers.

>>33644029
Chances that you posted on the wrong thread, mate.

>>33639370
Funny, because the exact same could be said for Patton. But you'll find no end to the number of fags who call him the best general in WWII.

At this point hating on Rommel has become an even bigger meme than Rommel himself. The only people who hate Rommel are the ones who think that holding an, equally inaccurate, opinion that runs contrary to popular belief someone makes them smarter than everyone else.

>>33644270
>popular belief someone makes them smarter than everyone else.
Should be 'somehow' and not 'someone' here.

>>33642325
The scariest part of the Afrika Corps were how they almost pushed to the Suez and opened the corridor to friendly Sryia, Iraq and Iran. That was mostly made possible due to Rommels tactics/strategy even with how much he overran his own supply lines.

While Kesselring would've done well just tying down troops, it would've still ultimately been forced to end via a Operation Torch that would've still come on a slightly different timeline. It's also highly doubtful that the addition of Rommel to the Eastern front would've changed the Outcome of Barborossa much but following operations could've seen huge changes.

The biggest implications from Rommel being on the eastern front possibly could've come from Stalingrad or Kursk in that the man was very well respected and Hitler actually favored him and his advice a lot. Less likely chance of losing the 6th Army for example.