>tfw even in the best operator movies armed henchmen run towards

>>33620697
>one bad guy lays down suppressive fire
>other two bad guys use bounding cover to move up and flank the good guy

Not impossible just extremely unlikely he'd survive an entire movie

What is Hollywood?

Come on op you know normies dont give a fuck about tactics. They just want to see one badass take on an army of bullet eating grunts. Seeing a realistic tactical exchange would look like ass to normies who just want to see a walking aim bot killing everything that moves. Remember what sells goy

I thought the final scene in the veteran was pretty realistic. The gangsters shoot like niggers but they make active use of cover and cover each others movements with fire as well as you could expect chavs to. The main guy only survives out of luck and advancing aggressively.

This is the only movie I know of that has the protag realistically reload and have to clear malfunctions during a fight. This movie was like one step away of from being perfect.

>>33620780
This movie was like one step away of from being perfect.
Having the henchmen actually use common sense and coordination when in a firefight with the protagonist is a pretty big step tbqh

>>33620697
John Wick is not a good operator film. What are you 12?

If you're gonna go over the top do it with style, like Shoot em' up did.

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>>33620730
>Seeing a realistic tactical exchange would look like ass to normies who just want to see a walking aim bot killing everything that moves
Wrong. Everything about your comment is wrong.

>>33621017
>shooting automatic weapons from a car with no ear protection
>2 man stand off against a police force
>realistic

>>33621040
>shooting automatic weapons from a car with no ear protection
Who said their hearing wasn't fucked?

>>33620697
>realistic firefights
So everyone's crouched or prone behind cover and only move when someone lays down covering fire for them? And most everyone waits until contact instead of initiating engagement?

The fights would take hours, would be extremely repetitive in sequences, and otherwise be fucking boring.

>>33621040
Lel people did that for a long time, you think a Mafia hitman put in earplugs before hosing down an apartment with a Thompson from his model A Ford?

>>33621040
>2 man stand off against a police force
Also, that was something that actually happened in LA, a few years after the movie was released.

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>>33621040
> >2 man stand off against a police force
> >realistic
gee I wonder

>>33621093
What's that from?

>>33621100
real life

look up the north hollywood shootout

>>33621040
As other anon said, ear protections are very recent in the firearm history, generations of gangsters did it and they certainly still do it.

Also they were 3, 1 was killed and another wounded, I'd say this firefight is one of the most realistic.

>>33621110
I don't remember them posing for photographs.

>>33621230
Its clearly a museum exhibit.

>>33621230
anon pls.

>>33621072
>>33621093
Well they both died in the end, didn't they?

>>33621282
Because they foolishly tried to drive away slowly. They shouldn't have stuck around like they did.

Anyway, it doesn't work out so well for the guys in Heat either.

>>33621282
Never watched Heat but the North Hollywood guys didnt manage a single kill
Normies wouldn't like a film if it accurately depicted the real event

>>33621313
>the North Hollywood guys didn't manage a single kill
We can never truly know what exactly they were thinking, but they had ample opportunity to waste a bunch of cops at various points, so I was always of the impression they were just suppressing them. Especially when they had those officers pinned behind the cars, they were so exposed you'd have to actively try NOT to hit them, so I suspect that was the idea.

>>33621313
>Normies wouldn't like a film if it accurately depicted the real event

No idea if it was made for tv or what but there actually was a movie about the North Hollywood shootout.

>>33621040
They're being extremely aggressive and performing a textbook center-peel against police, who aren't trained for true firefights.
Notice the police are paralyzed in cover, using low-volume single shots (both a result of training and not wanting to hit civilians) while the heist crew are pouring automatic fire while cover eachothers retreat.

What's unrealistic about it is how well trained & drilled they are, they're like former SF guys rather than bank robbers.

>>33621040
Because no one has ever had an armed stand off with police while outnumbered

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THE MOST ACCURATE JUNGLE COMBAT SCENE. Sometimes, the French actually can do better than Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFXOwKH0peY

>>33621494
Well, to be successful bank robbers it wouldn't hurt to learn SF tactics.

>>33621619
If you're ever in the position where you have to use SF tactics as a bank robber you're already not getting away. And besides
>2017
>robbing banks

>>33621185
2 were killed and 1 wounded. The whole reason they had to break contact was because they're driver got shot in the face.

>>33620723

This.

It's Star Wars all over again. Storm troopers are always talked about their superior marksmanship, then they always seem to be retarded when the time comes for them to use their skill. Reason why, cause it's a movie, if they did shit the real way, Luke would of died and the movie would of ended in the first movie.

>>33621295

They're also drugged out of their minds. So I see why they didn't think about leaving sooner.

>>33620697
The only movies that had the protagonist think outside the box to overcome realistic threats were 80s movies, maybe early 90s.

This one is pretty good

https://youtu.be/rV1qDpyyAMo

>>33621365
>you'd have to actively try NOT to hit them

That's not too far fetched actually. People who aren't psychopaths and who haven't received military training have a very hard time killing people unless they're in DIRECT danger.
There's a really good British documentary about the subject, sadly its name escapes me for the moment.

>>33621767
>There's a really good British documentary about the subject, sadly its name escapes me for the moment.
If you're unironically referring to that Lindybeige video, I'm going to hunt you down and kick you in the dick

>>33621795
No, no, this was a proper documentary, it was a BBC one. I'm trying to track it down but I'm not having any luck.

>>33621040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL7DED8huak

>>33620697
>Or is simply impossible to take on multiple armed people on your own?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqGhgSjHoNs

tip of my hat to forest gump for the Vietnam war scene. cept the bit where he outruns the explosions. but, the opening ambush is about right. he fumbles with a reload like a human and the whole thing is pretty intense.

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>>33621494
>What's unrealistic about it is how well trained & drilled they are, they're like former SF guys rather than bank robbers.
Michael Mann made it a point to show the main characters USMC tattoo during a scene. Hmm I wonder why he would do that.
>>33621653
>2017
>robbing banks
Those took place in 1995. Anything else, slick.

>>33621494
>>What's unrealistic about it is how well trained & drilled they are, they're like former SF guys rather than bank robbers.
I don't think the movie really mentions their backgrounds. Only that they're very experienced professionals.

>>33621664
>if they did shit the real way, Luke would of died and the movie would of ended in the first movie.
I'd watch it.

>>33621040

>2 man stand off against a police force
>realistic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

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>>33621564
FAMAS'd

>>33621564
That's a good scene. I'm going to watch this when I get home.

>>33621564
Why would they dump their shotguns?

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>>33621751
>moving toward the enemy when you have a long range and they have short range

>>33622129
Don't forget

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

>>33620723
henchmen aren't that smart

>>33628696
yeah. all they do in a daily base is to flash their gun and scare people, maybe a few expensive henchmen who were from the military knows what they doing. Bad guy got the element of suprise, which helps them to do all kind of drive by shooting.

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>>33620697
>>33621017

To win a fire fight, you need "relative fire superiority"
It could be just outgun enemy with more gun, outrange enemy with long range weapon (like that in Heat), or use ground to provide advantage, or you got to move around so you only fight a few enemy at a time (like that in vetern) Well. John wick just knows where enemy is and he shoots them like in a 3 gun match.

Second, it's hard to film a proper gun fight.
If enemy take cover and move around, flanking the protagnist, viewers would look at the enemy came out of nowhere and feel confuse.

And the geographic of the arena could also be confusing for viewers to figure out.

>>33621040
I mean yea, when have two men with automatic weapons ever held a large number of police at bay....


oh wait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

>>33628765
>Second, it's hard to film a proper gun fight.
They should just watch some call of duty theater montages.

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What about this movie?

It's based on an actual battle if I'm not mistaken, and not a single Irish soldier died.

Totally didn't buy the whole "Flip the truck over" part, but still.

>>33620697
The Way of the Gun

>>33628911
Not greatly historically accurate. Tried too hard to be an AMC drama which ended up leaving half of its plot threads unresolved, meanwhile the siege itself looks like some shit directly out of The Walking Dead.
Fun little movie but NOT a good historical piece

>>33621059
Welcome to reality you COD playing fucker.

>>33628765
gotta have one that's a mix of WOTG and does over head shots in an area where thats visibly appealing, similar to the 30 days of night scene where the vampires are killing everyone in the town.

>>33621494
At least one of the bank robbers was ex-mil.
>>33621040
You're a dumb nigger, everyone in that car sustained hearing damage filming that scene because they didn't wear earpro to make it look better for the camera. Hell Bruce Willis still has hearing damage out of one of his ears from the first Die Hard from filming this scene
https://youtu.be/IcmkH2rh8XE
Get learned you fucking nigger.

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>>33622078
>>33628978

Michael Mann also pulled in Andy McNab (former SAS) to instruct the actors, and made them practice the scene over and over again in a mock-up of the street before actually shooting on location.

They cased the joint ahead of time too. Pretty much did everything but actually rob the bank in the name of authenticity.

>>33621751
>literally the only halfway worthwhile scene of the whole fucking film.

>>33621878
Are you thinking of The Science of Killing?

>>33621100
An LA Bank shooting that occured back in the ninties, more reasons for this shit state to crack down on guns.

>>33620697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuzlEjErUEo

Foreign films have some great scenes.

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>>33621093
roasted !!!

>>33621040
>>33621054
You can actually see De Niro flinch at one point during the car chase where he forgot to put his ear protection back in. He did lose hearing.

>>33620723
>>33621664
>>33628696
its more to do with time. anyone being actually serious isnt going to rush balls first into a firefight like this, without planning or anything. anyone who DOES, might make it a fight or two but ultimately dies early. so its a compromise, do what looks more visually interesting.

ANYONE who has survived and participated in more then a few crazy firefights has probably years in boring, uninteresting prep work and planning before shit went down. no one wants to watch the 12 hours of planning that happened before the 6 minutes of a siege in a 2 hour movie.

but fuck would it be shocking and sudden if a movie just did that, showed the heros going gung ho and just getting wasted by simple smart placement. could make a cool cold open in a movie, the apparent heros loading up and rolling out only for a boring well placed swat team to plink them all off right away

>>33626931
I assume it's in order to reduce the probability to hit a friend, but I don't understand why they unload them.

>>33621093
>>33621040


>>33621185
driver got killed, then Tom Sizemore got killed after the crew was seperated. Kilmer got a gut shot, only deniro made it out unscathed.

>>33630039
I didn't count the driver, he's not a shooter.

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>>33620697
See >>33621017

Mann is the Man.

>>33628940
Surprised it took this long for someone to mention this, probably the most realistic (but also really well shot and choreographed) gun fight scene ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypyI2U72LVM
Only problem being they were shooting indoors and there's no nod to the fact that they would be fucking deaf.

What about the gun scenes in The Raid? I know most of the movie is unarmed stuff, but in the gun fights people get fucked up fast when they get cut off.

https://youtu.be/J1JXDvCmh9s

>>33628956
No one wants to watch a movie with "realistic firefights" you fucking autist

>>33629635
Man, that shit is exactly what happened in the first fight in Attack on Titan

Main McCharacter's squad was all pumped up for combat and shit, go charging in and instantly all get slaughtered. It was fuckin' great to see shit play out like that for once

>>33630003
So roodypoos wouldn't pick them up and use them.

>>33630063
I love the tactical roll.

>>33630131
I like the scene with the two snipers in the other building.

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>>33620697
>Will we hever have realistic firefights in movies?
Fuck no dude
The people that dump money at the movie theaters don't want to sit there for two hours staring at two buildings 100m apart with occasional shots being exchanged between them.

>>33621664
the movie even acknowledges this: those Stormtroopers were probably ordered to just put up a good show and to let Luke and pals leave so they could get the better objective: location of the rebel base for a death star drive by. Luke and Chewie and Han are all patting themselves for a job well done, but Leia says that the Empire let them go.

>>33629635
You just described zero dark thirty

>>33621751
Better display of gunfighting than most but you can tell how shitty this movie is lel. Shitty, short cuts during all the action and goofy, tepid "cool walks" in between.

>>33631974
That was pretty sweet. This is gonna sound pretty autistic, but I appreciated the proper counting of shots with the revolver at the end. If you were paying attention you knew how that was going to turn out.

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>>33628969
WOTG

what is WOTG ?

>>33633448
Way of the gun. Directors brother was a SEAL who did tech work on the movie.

>>33621751

good stuff

>>33632240
What movie is this?

>>33621664
>would of
Would have. Why is everyone substituting this with 'of'?

>>33634072
Hacksaw Ridge I think.

>>33630139

Kill yourself familam

>>33621751
>dat enfilade fire at 1:10
>misses all but 1

wat

>>33632240
wow that's a really disrespectful depiction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2i5BWday6o

When real life sets the bar real low why bother with MUH REALISM?

Just wanted to tell you guys there is a norwegian movie called Nokas about a real robbery that /k/ material

>>33621767
im pretty sure they dont want to catch a murder charge too incase they got caught.

>>33632240
heh, war is hell kiddos

>>33632240
He should have had a run-up to the corpse and surfed it towards the Japs while triple-wielding BAR's, eating a slice of pizza and shouting "nothing personnel, kid".

>>33628940
came here to say this

rape

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Uh, jobbers do this in real life too.

>>33634521
Fonetiks

>>33621653
Fire and maneuver is not SF tactics it's basically infantry training

>>33636142

Where is the source material?

>>33620723
>bad guys are decent shots
To be fair, the US hasn't fought a well trained army since WWII.
>>33620780
Yea but it seems too tacticool just for the sake of it like a Travis Haley video.
>>33628940
>Ryan Philipe dramatically screams immediate after getting shot during a high adrenaline situation. You wouldn't feel shi in reality.
>running into the middle of the courtyard
>retrieving prize before threats are killed
Cool reloads don't make up for character stupidity and crap writing

>>33621751
Pretty gay overall.

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Was gonna make my own thread, but this one is relevant enough I guess.

The movie is War Pigs and it was okay up until this point where you can clearly see the barrel of the M1A1 Thompson is obstructed by some device (which I assume is there to improve feeding with the blanks). I mean, it's such a small thing, but it bugs me so much that I'm not sure if I want to finish the movie anymore.

So, I guess, post more minor details that movies get wrong about firearms that bug you.

>>33620755
This. Even then he fucks up and wastes a bystander.

I also liked the end of Taxi Driver due to it just being messy with a disoriented and bleeding Travis taking on pimps and Johns who probably never shot their guns.

>>33620723
Oh come on, seriously? The first film sure, maybe he gets through alive, maybe. Second film though? That was basically live action anime superhero bullshit. Nuh-uh, could not happen, period. Too silly.

>>33636798
Plenty of people scream when they get shot, and they died because they fucked up in the end. Pretty fucking realistic.