if you made a double barreled rifle, and one of the barrels was

>>33618169
but it has a barrel over 16 inches and is 26 inches in overall length

>>33618175
I swear if you send in a question to the ATF and they reclassify my slug/birdshot long/short range double gun I'm going to be pissed.

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>>33618200
I just wanna know

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>>33618152

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Any firearm with a shoulder stock and ANY barrel under 16 inches in length is considered an SBR.

Technically welding a 1911 to the underside of your AR like a shitty pic related replica would be manufacturing an SBR, since the shortest barrel is all that matters.

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>>33618432
but a 1911 is an entirely different gun
this is the same gun just with different barrel lengths. but it's still has a barrel over 16 inches and an overall length of 26 inches

>>33618432
What if the shorter barrel is smoothbore?
Are underbarrel flare launchers also SBRs?

>>33618444
It has a barrel under 16 inches, that's what matters.

Arguing that one of the barrels is long enough is like murdering John and then saying "WHY ARE YOU ARRESTING ME? I DIDN'T KILL JAKE AT ALL!"

>>33618455
Well, legally they couldn't charge you for killing Jake if you only killed John.

Anyways, the point of the SBS law is that they don't want people swinging around concealable shotguns. If you had a barrel that was regulation length, and a barrel that was not regulation length, I don't think they have any right to give a shit, considering the shotgun is not concealable.

>>33618455
but it also has a barrel over 16 inches

>>33618463
>I don't think they have any right to give a shit,

They don't have a right to give a shit about shotgun lengths to begin with but that's not going to save your dog.

>>33618470
But it has a barrel under 16 inches.

So it's an SBR.

>>33618479
what if the barrel was so short it was just a chamber then? then it wouldn't have a barrel at all

>>33618484
Generally speaking you're allowed to remove the barrel of a gun as disassembly, but if you made a habit of firing it like that you could still probably get in trouble for your excessively dangerous party popper by demonstrating your intent to use it in the shortened configuration.

>>33618495
youre just grasping at straws there bud

>>33618497
this

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>>33618463
The ATF doesn't give a shit about the "intent" of the law. That's why SIG braces on AR pistols are not controlled by the NFA and why pic related is considered an AOW instead of a SBS

Stop trying to logic it and understand that shit is illegal because shit is illegal.

>>33618484
>>33618495
If it didn't have a barrel at all, it wouldn't be in a firable condition. Nobody is going to argue that a stripped AR lower is considered an SBR because while it's regulated as a firearm, it's not a functioning firearm.

>>33618497
>>33618500
>Thinking the ATF won't take the excuse to end your doggo

This is the ATF and their definitions we're talking about.

Plus, if they didn't enforce it like that you would get retards making "chambers" that extend four inches past the end of the round.

"It's just a chamber brah."

>>33618522
I'm assuming we're talking about a firearm that's actually fireable with the barrel removed. It would have to be considered an SBR if fired like that because otherwise it would be a gaping loophole.

>>33618463
text of the law is ANY barrel under 16" rifled or 18" smooth
ATF DOES have the right to arrest and charge you over that (well, until you get into whether or not the NFA is constitutional, but you shouldn't bet your freedom on a supreme court case overturning a 80+ year old law)

>>33618523
>>33618484
chamber counts as part of the barrel and the overall barrel length

>>33618452
No because they are not anti personnel.
If you use it as a DD then maybe.

Realistically they would confiscate the gun and never bring it to court because they'd be afraid another federal judge would call them out for being retards, like US vs Davis in 1993. We came thiiiiiis close to having a federal judge rule that putting a vertical grip on a pistol didn't create an AOW, so they dropped the charges. If they drug a rifle like this into the courts and a judge ruled that only the longer barrel counted imagine what it would open up. Underslung shotguns would be the most popular, but I can envision a lightweight single-shot 22lr 'bullpup' attachment that would clamp on to the side rail of an AR pistol and allow you to attach a stock. The ATF would shit a brick.

>>33620097
Barrel length is measured from the bolt face with action closed

>>33620257
yeah that would be cool

>>33618519
>not knowing what an AOW is, the post.

>>33621146
to be fair the NFA is pretty confusing and dont make sense

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Hey guys, just checking in on this thread for curiosities sake. Pretend im not here.

>>33618452
hell, apparently a AOW doesnt change things much either.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdoor-sports-recreation/951784-serbu-masterkey-not-illegal.html

>>33618152
Just make sure one of those barrels is pointing backwards and you'll be fine.

>Pussies worrying about something that could never be enforced.
You need to break some eggs to make an omelette and pretty much any judge would summarily dismiss the charges. Remember, nobody has ever been convicted of creating an unregistered AoW by adding a foregrip to their handgun.

http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/us_v_davis2.txt

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what about this? would this be an SBS?
The length of the barrel is 18 inches, with an overall length of 26 inches.
but the barrel is cut in half and bent at a vertical angle, the length of the both halves of the barrel are still 18 inches, but the angle of the bend makes it to where the horizontal length of the base of the barrel to where the end of the barrel is, is only 17 inches.

>>33622347
We blunderbuss now

>>33622366
its a little different. think if you cut a "V" notch horizontally at the end of your barrel, I guess to help increase spread or something, but took the "V" notch much lower to the point you could bend the lower and upper halves the barrel to a point the length is different than it was prior, but still maintaining an 18 inch barrel.

>>33622347
SBS
they measure the overall length along a single axis

>>33622347
It's still 17 inches in a direct shot from the muzzle to the chamber face.

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>>33622478
thats some bullshit
its their fault their wording is so fucking stupid and vague

>>33622347
That doesn't make any sense. Making it into a V would make your barrel shorter

>>33622497
it's not the ATF's fault the wording is vague
and any reasonable person would perceive your "clever" workaround to violate both the letter and the spirit of the law

stop trying to be smart

>>33622535
the (((spirit))) of the law was to ban handgats and anything else that could be concealable
you tell me how in the fuck my abomination is concealable

>>33622598
fine
any reasonable person would perceive you "clever" workaround to violate the letter of the law

>>33622655
well shit nigga I just want to be the next famous bloke who sticks it to the NFA like them braces
granted mine are a little more stupid

>>33622673
well, you design is neither legal nor useful
the braces were clever
you are not

>>33620288
Which includes the chamber you ignorant fuck

>>33618200
do it