https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI5 NPiicXjE >dude who ne

Have you lost your fucking ears? They explain it all.

Frank Proctor also says irons are redundant

>>33611831
I get where they are going with the polymer lower and the forward assist is hated by both Eugene Stoner who didn't put it on the AR-10 and Sullivan who didn't put it on the AR-15.

>>33611831
>Non-adjustable stock
>NON-ADJUSTABLE STOCK
Have these guys even heard of plate carriers?

He would have added the forward assist no matter the current year, since it wasn't his choice. He was against it but the mil insisted.

>>33611837
This

Forward assists were a solution to an ammunition problem that no longer exists.

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LET ME FINISH

>>33611864
this is what i was wondering there is no consideration for armor

>>33611939
Now I know who's the man in that relationship.

Do you think Ian suffers from domestic abuse?

>>33611864
>using plate carriers

>>33611831

"I wasn't in on that, except I was told the Army insisted upon it. There were reasons for it. One reason was that they felt that due to the fact that the M-1 and the M-14 rifle, and the carbine had always had something for a soldier to push on; that maybe this would be a comforting feeling for him, or something. I could never get it through my mind that it was necessary. I did not really advise it. I thought it was a mistake, myself. But I made my thoughts known to the people."

>>33611962
Karl's skin isn't red from being a Scandi in a place on the same line of latitude as North Africa, it's the violent alcoholism.

>>33611864
>>33611956
>>33611964

Karl runs 2 gun with armor all the time so if it's a problem, he'll figure it out.

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>>33611939
What Karl needs is patience and understanding, not mockery.

>>33611864
Only thing I dont agree with.

>>33611831
Polymer lowers of same geometry seems questionable. AR lower was designed and tested with aluminum strength and durability in mind. Polymer lowers should be made beefier.

The forward assist is useless. I don't know why they would go with polymer lowers though.

>>33611864
adjustable lop stocks is one of the best ergonomic improvements to the ar platform. Like all their "modifications" it removes a capability from the rifle, and in this case compromises the structural integrity of the rifle, for a moderate amount of weight saving.

>>33611840
The A10s second engine is also redundant

>>33611939
Man, Ian looks so sad here.

>>33611840
If you have an optic on there, then yes they are literally redundant. That's the entire point.

>>33612034
I'm a really good cinematographer, thanks ;) a split second later he recoils from the toxic levels of autism

I wonder if there are any clear statistics on how often BUIS have actually been used in combat

>>33611999
>Implying Karl is not the one with autism

>>33612054
That's what he's saying, silly billy. Karl's genetic Germanic autism is an established meme.

When is Ian gonna break up with Karl and find a new man? Karl is fucking insane

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>war during Russian winter
>walk from outside into house
>glass is fogged
>mount into APC
>glass is fogged
>sand people don't think of that

>>33612041
Though I kinda agree, I would prefer having a set of backup irons just in case the optic malfunctions or the batteries die.

>>33612076
Is this the actual Russian excuse for being behind the ball?

>>33612076
Dude, any modern shit won't fog up that easily.
Not even cheap ski goggles.

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>>33612096

winter is always their excuse

>it uses vacuum tubes because of cold )))))))))))))

>>33612090
No what I mean is redundancy in this case is good, when it's a system as critical as this. There's a lot of ways optics can fail that don't involved getting shot or dropped on concrete. Irons won't unless they're physically damaged.

>>33611939
Best part of the video right there. It makes me wonder if they're tight off camera, or if it's like a mythbusters duo vibe going on.

>>33612119
Karl did stuff with Forgotten Arms before InRange was a thing so they probably don't hate each other like Jamie and Adam but I can't see someone being more than work buddies with Karl.

I don't think I'd ever take a rifle without backup irons. New scopes are durable as hell but there's always going to be a situation that the designers couldn't have planned for.

>>33612096
What do you mean? Soviet infantry squad has 2 magnified scopes since 60s. US Army infantry squad had zero.

>>33612112
>there's a lot of ways optics can fail without being physically damaged
Name them. Because there aren't.

>>33611840
Proctor is very close to procto, which means of or relating to the anus.

>>33612156
Elements. Cold (fog), pouring rain. But i guess its is about fighting in the desert now. Fuck arctic, fuck jungle (shit places to live and fight), sand is a definition of comfy. I choose you, desert.

>>33612007
>he didnt watch the video about polymer lowers

>>33612182
>cold (fog)
Totally a nonissue with quality optics
>pouring rain
Totally a nonissue with quality optics

Hydrophobic lens coatings have been around since literally 1890, and work extremely well. Noble-gas-purged tubes have been around since literally the 1700's. Combine the two and you have a 100% fogproof, 100% submersible optic.

If it's raining SO HARD your optic is unusable it's raining SO HARD you can't see your irons or far enough past your muzzle to find a target anyway, and good optics simply do not fog up.

>>33612210
What video?

>>33612182
Went through several winters in Norway without problems with aimpoint comp m4. Still wouldn\t want to be without BUIS though, sucks if you bust your aimpoint and need to lay down accurate fire.

>>33612210
Polymer lowers are garbage. You're garbage.

>>33611939
>...I met him in college in the early ‘90s. He was the captain of the football team. From early on, he was very controlling and verbally and emotionally abusive. “You’re stupid,” he’d say. “No one else is going to want to hear your thoughts on K98s.” It was my first adult relationship, and I didn’t realize love wasn’t meant to feel like that...
>...In the summer of 2009, it all went downhill. The verbal assaults turned physical. It started off with yelling and pushing, something thrown in my direction to assert his dominance. Then the pushing got harder — I got pushed on the ground. The thing he threw at me would actually hit me...
>(Extracts from story, as told to Melissa Jeltsen, are part of "Why Didn't You Just Leave?", a HuffPost series on domestic violence in which Ian McCollum shares his reasons for staying in an abusive relationship.)

>>33612247
https://www.full30.com/video/777a5f013d6d746040e1e047d57ecf35

>>33612247
https://www.full30.com/video/31a73f8fade48648de9f917af92fdd53
From the time when they only released trailers on youtube
They shot holes in it and shit, kept running (except when they hit the buffer tube of course)

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>>33612264
>>33611939

DELET

>>33612264
So it's like a college version of this?
https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw

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Karl used to literally work with cav and y'all are surprised he's shilling for them?

>getting triggered because Karl wants to be able to talk without getting interrupted
I bet you're the kind of fag who talks over people constantly and everyone rolls their eyes when you try to butt into a conversation.

>>33612282
>>33612265
But this is not real durability testing. Real would be shooting required (whatever number military wants from rifle during its service life 10000? 30000?) rounds count plus required number of 40mm UBGL rounds, and making required number of disassembles/re-assemblies/cleanings.

>>33611831
They're right about polymer lowers & forward assists tho.
Modern polymers are stronger and lighter than aluminium, and the forward assist is the "make your malfunction worse" button.

They have the lamest reasoning over irons. They seriously think there is only one way you could disable your optic?

>>33612346
retard

I'd rather trust people who actually have to go into combat who use BUIS. Ive heard enough anecdotal cases of eotechs and the like going out to warrant having the slight extra weight for BUIS.

Im not going into combat though so I don't really care, but if I was going into combat its a no fucking brainer.

This is another case of psuedo intellectual elitists like Ian and Karl talking like they are 100 percent correct all the time.

all these armchair warriors talking about they NEED forward assist and buis hahahaha

>>33612327
shilling implies they get compensation

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>>33611831
It's like you don't listen at all to what they say and have selective hearing

I know you're autistic K but fuck

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https://youtu.be/steNAvbGoT8

Hmm do I trust Henrichs or a historian and a hobbyist?

Hard choice

>>33612396
Watch the vid where they go to the shoot with the cav lower all beat up. He says he's done work with them in the past.

>>33612358
Sorry I don't suck these guys dicks like you do? Polymer BUIS are dirt cheap and add virtually nothing in terms of weight or clutter. Stupid fucking faggot.

>>33612136
My dynamic with my best friend is similar to Ian and Karl where I'm Karl. All it takes is someone who is understanding of your autism.

>>33612422
This

/k/ is like nu/pol/ if you replaced trump with Ian and Karl.

>>33612340
because Karl and Ian could totally do any of those things.

>>33612447
That's his point you dip. You can't claim polymer is just as good because your short inconclusive testing.

>>33612422
Dude they're just going into a match environment
Worst case scenario they don't finish in their larp match

>>33611864
I guess part of it is they're civi's doing civi stuff and its not a huge deal.
Though I am a fan of adjustable stocks as if you're a bit taller or shorter than normal you can get a better eye relief

>>33612483

They're mentioning in the video that they think this is what infantry should be issued.

>>33612417
>Watch the vid where they go to the shoot with the cav lower all beat up. He says he's done work with them in the past.
that doesnt change the fact that a shill receives ongoing compensation for endorsing a product or pushing a narrative

>>33612028
The A-10 as a platform is redundant, so both engines are

>>33612522
Nigga what

>>33612550
Whatever if you want to knitpick fine no one could possibly have proof that they paid them anything currently but they did send the lowers for free and he has previous experience working with the company that's iffy enough for me.

>>33612417
i'd sooner listen to reid. they also say right in OP vid, while talking about optics and magnification, that you can't always get your DMR setup and have fast acquisition at closer ranges and karl seems to be implying within 300 yards. well, that's what 45deg offset BUIS are for. that's why they show up in 3-gun matches.

>>33612566
>knitpick

Do you mean nitpick?

>>33612646
More gnitpicking

>>33612641
Yes I'd rather listen to Reid as well I was being sarcastic.

I'd definitely rather look at what people in combat have done and what people in 3 gun and high level competition do than listen to Karl and Ian.

I'm getting very disappointed it seems they're becoming super arrogant.

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>>33611831
Call me old fashioned and paranoid, but Iron Sights are nice to have if I run out of batteries or the optics get fragged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=steNAvbGoT8

The Iron Sights pictured are the lighter than 2 oz

>>33612428
Fuck Karl and fuck your autistic ass.

>>33612787
Settle down m8.

>>33612692
https://swfa.com/catalog/product/view/id/110836/s/bobro-buis-lowrider-sight-set/
$174.95
yeah no just dump that money into a better optic

>>33612100
I own an Elvan OSX 4x and it fogs up every time I go from cold to warm, unless I've used my anti-fog spray that day.

I always use the spray or just the heat of my brow and breath fog it up while I'm shooting in the cold, but I run hot and leak sweat like a siphon.

>>33612662
stop gnatpicking

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The series has kind of a flawed concept, why would Stoner continue using the AR15 operating system when AR18 derivatives have exhibited incredible durability and reliability? They're also simpler to make and run cleaner/cooler. Also you'd think he'd find a way to make a perfect bullpup, what with it being the current year.

>>33613119
>bullpup
>not an outdated and flawed concept
kek

>>33613158
At least there's innovation there, and problems to be solved, unlike with conventional rifles that have been nearly perfect for 50 years.

>>33612960
>gucci'd AR with carbon hanguards
>cares about price tag

I don't think they were trying to create the "Best ARs EVER". They are starting a little project of building ARs that they think Eugene Stoner would have built in 2017 based solely off the few tidbits they know about him. He liked newer, lighter, and more unconventional materials (aluminum) so they throw in carbon fibre and polymer. They leave off the forward assist cuz Eugene thought it was pointless, they leave off irons to save weight.

In reality, if Eugene was still kicking, he wouldn't build some franken-AR out of goofy plastic parts, he would build an entirely new, better rifle from the ground up that would blow everyone's nut-hair back.

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You guys triggered Karl

>>33614317
He's an idiot who thinks he knows better than actual military dudes and people who have real experience and is now offended and trying to back pedal.

KARL IF YOURE READING THIS SUCK ME OFF WEARING YOUR SS UNIFORM DADDY BEAR

>>33614428
actual military dudes dont want backup irons sights either

>>33611864
didnt bother me when i was in.

>>33614484
Okay Karl.

>>33611939
im glad im not the only one whos noticed karl is the dominant.

>>33614484
>>33614428
I am a huge fan of Irons, but even I have read multiple sources saying most L33T oper8rs do not use irons.

>>33614428
actual military dudes are borderline retarded, unless you're referring to the unicorns in special groups.

>>33614484
Henrichs even had his go out on him and he's a military dude. I'm not going to pretend to know more than him. He says to always use BUIS and he knows way more about combat than Ian or Karl.

>>33614557
Some don't use BUIS in special forces but when I read why it's usually because they are using prism optics with reticles etched on glass and also because they say their rifle is more of a pdw than their primary form of offence since we have so much support these days.

>>33614484
Bull Shit

>>33611831
This looks like a 3-gun rifle than a "combat" rifle.
Polymer lower and no iron sights, really dude?
Iron sights weigh nothing and polymer is not worth the weight savings. We have little to no data regarding the durability of a polymer lower in the field. I like how they spent 5 minutes trying to justify the lack of iron sights as much as possible - they knew it was wrong on some subconscious level.

>>33611831
holy shit those lowers are made next to my home town.

oh shit and they have a mil discount? AHAHAHAHA guess what im doing when i get home.

>>33614557
Leet operators usually run laser designators so they have independent back up sight system thing kind of covered. And the operate in comfy sands.

honestly I'm interested in their take on the ar15 platform. I just struggle with how poorly Karl handles the internet. But that's just his brand of autism. Even if he is a spaz he just keeps coming back for more. it's just a shame that it kills the overall professionalism of the whole project/videos/Ian.
also ironsight fags btfo

>>33614670
>Iron sights fags btfo

Only retards like you blindly listen to ecelebs

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>>33614676
assuming where I got my opinion from

>>33611831
You know, I think I'm going to unsubscribe...while I love Forgotten weapons for the historical gun shit, these guys are being full armchair general D&D nerd about guns.

Ian not being military didn't auto correct his aim by watching the impact and kept on trying to use the sites to do tight controlled bursts.

>>33614692
Then where did you get it from? Your ass? Special forces guys who don't run buis almost always have lasers or a small red dot attached to their scope or something similar. There's pretty much always a fall back.

>>33611837
FPBP and /thread. Fuck off OP.

>>33614710
This. They're too full of themselves. Ian knows historical firearms and functions. He should stick to that.

Ian has already said in videos he has practically no experience with modern optics (see the vortex 1-6 strike eagle review).

http://soldiersystems.net/2016/08/13/gunfighter-moment-frank-proctor-16/
>I wanted to share my thoughts based on my experiences regarding back up iron sights. In short I think they are a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist and many shooters hinder their rifles capabilities just to have them on the gun.

>>33611864
Only thing I was WTFing over. Well that and their shit choice in optics, but the concept behind the optics is solid.

>>33614758
About time someone posted this

>>33614616
Did you watch the video? Your complaints about how polymer is shit and we should all use aluminum are the same as people bitching in the 50's/60's that rifles should be made of steel and wood, not aluminum.

>>33611939
To be fair, Ian did interrupt Karl and they were getting a little bit off topic and you can tell both of them were excited about this video series and showing these rifles.

>>33614724
it's my time in the army. beat the living fuck out of my aimpoint and pulled my own rear iron cause I never needed it. shit dog. don't be Karl salty.

>>33614758
>Etched glass reticles and shit like PEQ and other redundant systems
>HA see Proctor no use BUIS!

woah really made me think.

>>33614822
Not being salty nigger but I've heard enough anecdotes of optics like the eotech shitting out for random unexpected reasons where if I went into combat I'd spend the extra ounce or two to have some back up.

>>33614837
But they're not going into combat and they never tell anyone to ditch their iron sights

>>33614869
They're talking about infantry rifles not civvy plinker guns or comp guns.

>>33612340
Lowers are non stressed parts, a polymer lower could probably go 30,000 rounds.

>>33614837
>I've heard anecdotes of a shit optic shitting out
I'm not even disagreeing with you but eotech probably wasn't the best example for your argument.

>>33614837
if I did take a backup sight, i'd take the see all open sight. plenty small, simple and rugged. slap it on some extra rail space for like. 2oz or some negligible weight.

>>33614884
the lower they're using apparently has been tested to 50,000

>>33614887
No but it was what I had most recently read. I've heard of aimpoint going out in classes and what not too.

>>33614896
That looks interesting. Don't know anything about those.

>>33612428
Same here, I understand him and he understands me. Sometimes we cannot stand each other and will say some heinous shit that would end most friendships. With my good friend though he'll call up a day later, "You get that out of your system faggot?" and we're good.
>>33612430
Oh ffs now you're just being a bitch.

>>33614928
>Ffs
>Being a bitch

Reddits panties in a bunch

>>33614912
I like em cause no batteries and single plane of view. no lining up front and rear. 100 bucks aint free but I think reasonable.

>>33614557
L33t Operators also die the most because they are full of themselves and often get surrounded and overwhelmed by lesser forces because they carry ultralight load outs and don't have enough fire power on their own and also forgo having fire support.

Look at the Ling Survivor scenario in Afghanistan. That operation was compromised the minute they made contact with locals.

Then later two full chinooks full of seals go up in smoke because they were "impassioned" to save their buddies like white knights and went out there before attack helicopters could clear the LZ

I'm not trying to down play special forces but they are still light infantry with light gear and are supposed to be used as surgical scalpel strikes while regular or heavy infantry are the sledge hammer and both should work together as a form of combined arms of sorts.

>>33614882
I hope you realize they're experimenting

>>33614710
Also that last sentence was referencing their M60 video on Forgotten Weapons where Ian couldn't hit the target with his careful aim, but a Marine vet nailed the target head on by holding down the trigger and correcting his aim by seeing his initial impact point.

>>33614944
>hurr durr ur frum leddit
Go back to /pol/, you'll get more traction with that shit there.

>>33615010
>Telling someone to go back to /pol/ when you're an eceleb worshipping self admitted autist cunt who actually says ffs

Kill yourself redditor autist cunt.

>>33614978
so what your saying is dont use iron sights at all and just adjust based on your previous shots impact?

>>33615016
kek that only works with machine guns

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>>33614484
No, fuck you.

Fuck you, fuck you and fuck you.

in garrison (thank god) my TA31 went down, and I was forced to use my knights armament BUIS. During an unknown range shoot I was able to best a lot of guys who still had ACOGs despite the fact I had to physically adjust the rear sight for range on every other target. They are great and you dont sacrifice a god damn thing for having them just in case.

Pic related, same BUIS

Back in 1990 Stoner developed yet another .308 rifle.

I have trouble believing if he were alive 27 years later he would build another 5.56 gun instead of refining the SR-25 more and more and more.

And honestly with the polymer lower it's only .2-.4 lbs lighter than a conventional lower depending on stock used.

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>>33615038
>Grip pod

I thought these were a meme?

>>33615025
according to the atf anything that can fire more than 1 round per triggerpull is a machine gun. of course the army is using machine guns.

>>33615069
They work. Mainly used for admin purposes though. A nice way to set your riff raff down without it being completely on the ground while you do other things.

I wanted the gun I had as a PFC. They were standard issue.

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>>33615015
>eceleb worshipping
>he actually uses kys in the current year +2
No, you're just being a bitch with you're /k/ is like nu/pol/ shit.

>>33615140
Except I didn't say kys Reddit retard. You probably thought I did because you forgot you weren't on your subreddit but you're on 4chan instead.

Kill yourself you worthless autistic fuck.

>>33615069
Mods!

It's cute they have matching rifles.

>>33615166
Their rifles purposely contrast each other
I find that cuter

>>33615154
>I didn't say kys
>kill yourself
Ok dude. I'm not calling you a butt blasted faggot, I'm just saying you're a homosexual with hemorrhoids from fucking yourself with a dragon dildo constantly.
>Reddit
Nope, >>>/pol/ is that way though. Once again, you'll get more traction with that line over there.

>>33615089
Sure I'm just saying you can only walk your shots on target with an mg. It's pointless on an automatic rifle, but necessary for an actual machine gun.

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Yes Goy, use a polymeme lower and rely entirely on the quality of your optic to be able to shoot your rifle!

>>33611831
how upset /k/ and most likely /arg/ be when i duplicate these rifles <3 and shitpost with them endlessly.

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>>33615199
Are you retarded you stupid Reddit posting fuck

Kys=/ kill yourself only Reddit can't type it out you stupid Reddit newfag piece of shit

Go hang yourself you autistic fucking wank stain

>>33615243
>kys=/kill yourself
>the acronym has a different meaning than typing out the phrase
>Somehow I'm the autistic one.
Here's your last (You). Just remember, you're going to die alone.

>>33615222
Come on may they purposely chose the lower because it works and its different
And if their optic fails just laugh at then when they upload the video

>>33615235
please do

>>33615280
It does dumbfuck only Reddit newfags like you actually type "kys"

>>33615295
I know I just needed an excuse to use my OC meme.

>>33615368
>Repetitive Behaviors: Adults suffering from autism tend to repeat the same words, phrases, and behaviors throughout the day.

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>>33615331
i need them to hurry up and post more videos.

i think the only thing i will change is having a different muzzle device, i dont really care for that faxon one.

>>33614818
To be fair, not even our most advanced polymers will last forever as plastic does break down and split layers after a century or so, thing is metal if maintained can last forever I was using a M16A1 lower when I was in Iraq and that shit if maintained can still be around a hundred years from now.

Conversely if you don't maintain a steel and wood gun it rusts and rots in less than a decade if in a humid or tropical environment.

it's a bunch of give in take but plastic/polymer dose not have the same historically proven longevity of stone and metal.

>>33615025
Yeah, an M60.

>>33615069
Grip pods were pretty common for grunts in both the army and marines back in the early Iraq invasion.

>>33612224
wow you an EOTEC salesman?
always keep a set of buis on your weapon,cause yeah the odds are really low youll need them,but really low is not zero so...

I think everyone is forgetting that modern warfare two level where an emp disables everything so you have to use irons and dead glass.

>>33615624
Ian should be fine then

>>33614484
uhhhh yeah we do...

>>33611831
>150+ replies

No, they haven't lots their minds, they made valid points and manages to troll the shit out of AR autists.

I'm actually considering some of their ideas, but not all, in a build for myself.

>>33615038
>>33615696
Half the guys I ever saw didn't have irons on their rifles, and the other half never used them but liked them just in case. To say, "actual military dudes dont want backup irons sights either," is true in the literal sense that there are mil guys who prefer to not have them on their gun, but the implication is it's the prevalent thinking, which it isn't.

>>33615667
This.

Any type of etched optic does as good as irons without batteries.

>>33612076
>Thinks you are actually going to do a tactical sight removal of your red dot
> then tactically employ your irons
>Instead of just using your thick ass mittens to just wipe off the lens.

>>33615705
>I'm actually considering some of their ideas, but not all, in a build for myself.

I'm mad at myself for thinking the same
I'm having enough trouble deciding what I want my AR to be/look like, and here they go giving me ideas

>>33615906
I kind of like that lower, just because I wouldn't have to fuck with a castle nut. It's simple. I just wish they offered one with a more vertical grip angle a-la the K2+ style grips. I also have never used the forward assist on my AR. So I can definitely live without it. However, I have used the ambi charging handle that I put in my AR, so I'm going to differ from them on that one. I'm a righty, and I still find uses for the ambi charging handle.

>>33611831
Foward assists are buttons that make bad jams worse.
Any jam that can be fixed using a foward assist could be fixed by charging the rifle second time, preferably not riding the bolt like a Nancy the second time around

>>33611864
They are using that one piece polymer lower aren't they? The failure point for most any polymer lower is the point where the buffer tube connects to the lower proper, so this one just doesn't have that. They give up the stock adjustment as a byproduct of that

>>33616031
The lower looks ugly-sexy in the way a Webley revolver does, I was almost hurt when Ian and Karl said they know everyone is thinking how ugly it is and they agree. The lack of grip options because of the one-piece mold is kinda off-putting, especially when the upside of an AR is the ability to put whatever you want on at a moments notice. Vertical grips feel so much more tight in my hand than normal curves
As for the forward assist I'd reluctantly agree, I know it would make failures worse and I've never used it but something in me feels uneasy without it.
I think for Karl's purposes he didn't want the ambi-piece because hes done gun matches for so long he has a strict idea on how he reloads so the ambi would be useless to him. I'd have to agree with him you should really reload your one preferred way, but I can see the ambi coming in handy with adverse conditions they sometimes face in matches. I think he'll probably realize that if he ever tries Ian's AR in one.

>>33615368
Kys

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>>33611837

>AR-15 doesn't need a forward assist
>reciprocating charging handle never works anyways
>FAL mud test
>criticizes it for its non-reciprocating charging handle
>ignores the other benefits of a forward assist: brass checking, chambering the rifle quietly

reminder that inrangetv is just an outlet for ian and karls retarded ramblings, bullshit, and blatant troll material

>>33611831

>yep
>yep
>yep
>yep

>>33615791
You are full of shit son.

I'm an armorer and the only reason you see iron sites missing on any marines rifle when they rotate back to the world is because they pocketed it and sold it on e-bay.

If a marine is dumb enough to try that trick not before leaving the marines or extra dumb enough to do it twice, they get "noticed"

Hell, some reservist tried to sell his Acog and say it got damaged and he threw it away on deployment.

Co finds out about it...he couldn't leave his bunk to take a piss at night for weeks without extreme pain.

>>33616364
> it's a /k/ LARPing as a marine armorer thread

kys you're self

>>33616364
>Your anecdote is false
>My anecdote is true
Ok man. I'm going to bed, this thread is a shit show.

>>33612100
Try living somewhere where it's so cold you have to cover your face with a gaiter, scarf, jacket zipper, with glasses or goggles on. They will fog, no if's, or buts.

>>33616779
Of course your goggles/glasses will fog up, when your moist breath now is channeled up into your glasses. Had optics work fine down to -30 celsius, as I don't actively breathe onto the optic's glass.

>>33616318
Chambering quietly is bullshit, I just have to say it. The BCG has a trench for your thumb, that is even more silent than the potential ratcheting noise of the FA. Just try it, it's so easy to test I have no idea why people still parrot that shit.

>>33616827
The comment was "not even goggles" that's wrong, I know how/why I just felt the need to point it out. My aimpoint pros do get some fog after being inside all day and being taken out in the cold ass air, once they acclimatize they do better than the cheap red dots but they still will mist up.

>>33612156
battery has manufacturing flaw causing it to prematurely die

battery has manufacturing flaw causing it to leak corrosive fluid and corrode contacts

IC on karls optic that controls brightness level has poor solder and intermittently dims or brightens

IC has manufacturing flaw that causes it to shit the bed approximately 24 hours into you needing it to work

rubber gaskets dry rot and nitrogen leaks out allowing moisture in causing fogginess or blurriness from inside that cant be wiped away

bolts back out after long period of shooting and mount loosens, shifting zero

glass gets big old scratch from other piece of gear while slung

>>33617380
People will still unironically say that modern optics are just as good as irons reliability wise.

Tip top kek

The same people who buy a gun for defense in the first place even though the odds of them needing it are rare and do so "just in case" and because " you never know " blindly trust optics because "hurr what can go wrong" even though they can eliminate the side effects if something goes wrong by adding a few ounces to their gun.

Really activates the almonds.

>>33617409
Imagine being so drunk on /v/ lingo that you can't make a single post without dropping in several exciting meme phrases.

>>33617437
>Almond activation
>/v/ lingo
>kek
>/v/ lingo

You have to head back to ribbit bud

>>33617409
do Magpul plastic back ups even weigh an ounce?

seem like they'd be measured in grams

>>33617457
No idea. That's what I use personally. Dont have my AR for serious use though.

I can't imagine a situation where you wouldn't want it. Of all the things you could ditch to save weight or space why that?

Especially since it basically weighs nothing

>>33617437
imagine being so poor you can't afford iron sights.

really makes you think about activated almonds in the current year

>>33617446
>>33617482
And you have to stop littering your otherwise perfectly good posts with trash.

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>>33617486
Stay here long enough and you can't stop

>>33617486
your mom has to stop littering the earth with faggot offspring

>>33617506
You wouldn't last 10 seconds in my mouth, straightfag.

>>33615038
Rod?

>>33617523
the only thing that should be going in your mouth is the barrel of a gun.


minus the front iron sight, of course

the forward assist helps get the bcg out of the fucking buffer tube when its stuck rearward. Have any of you ever had to takedown an AR with the bcg stuck in halfway in the buffer tube?

total pain in the ass

>>33617523
I want to test that
I enjoy a good blowjob
maybe I'll give you a tongue insertion rimmer in return ;)

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I stopped watching when I learned Ian is anti "assault weapons"

>>33617630
Oh you're such a tease.

>>33617656
Not this shit again lmao

>>33617656
source?

>>33617688
The source is idiots like you falling for a forced meme and putting it into common knowledge.

>>33617699
Good to know. I'll take a screenshot and repost tomorrow to confirm.

>>33615809
Optical glass becomes milky non transparent from radiation. This why soviet optics have such tint, they are made from radiation resistant lead glass.

>>33617656
>people are still falling for this

>>33611831
>no fwd assist omg
I wish you people actually know what you are talking about for once.

>>33617437
I'm going to back this faggot up, since none of what he said is exclusively /v/. Activated almonds came from some queerbait health nut chef, then Twitter, then /fit/. Kek is fucking ancient but not at all /v/ original.

Now you'll move the goalposts and call me out for correcting you by insinuating I have no life or I'm an autist like the salty loose-assed homo you are.

>>33612264
pls pls pls some one scren cap this plssssssssssss

>>33616984
Just charge your gun before going in a area where you need to be stealthy and put it on safe. How about that?

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>>33611939
I can't stand Karl.

>>33611939
he said it politely though, not caps shout

>>33611831
>fwd assist? nah fuck it
This is correct though.

>b-b-b-but muh top secret super-stealth conditions operating!

Yeah, because you're totally going to use a rifle which terminal ballistics depend on bullet speed when you need to be quiet. Initial AR15 weren't using fwd assist, airforce didn't want it either and army did it because... well... ehm...

The "but you can chamber your gun quietly" argument is post-fact rationalisation, they've did it because they somehow thought that if the gun jams it will help it because ???

>>33611864
Manlet detected

I'm 6'0 and I can shoulder my A2 clone in plate armor just fine

>>33611939

Forgotten Dinners lead to Forgotten Black-eyes.

>>33618352
fucking knock out combo, right here.

>>33611864
>Being a manlet

>>33618679
Oh he remembers the time he walked into a ejecting shell casing, right Ian?

Right.

>>33613119
because the AR18 was designed to be a cheap gun for countries that couldn't afford the AR15.

>>33611939

Is Karl autistic? Seriously, look at the InRange Normiebook page, it's just Karl posting screenshots of his rebuttals against comments and cumming over how smart he his.

>>33618622
It was a terse command, not a request

According to this place, the entire world is autistic. That "accusation" is really over used here to the point off total absurdity.

>>33619410
and? He wanted to keep his train of thought. I don't know what guys expect him to say
>Dearest Ian, please allow me to speak so that we may stay on the topic a moment longer

>>33618352
You've wasted your brilliant brain on accumulating trivia relevant only to a blue-tinted messageboard for lonely men! Imagine what that brain could have been used for instead. How's that for a moved goalpost, straightie?

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>>33611831
Let's be honest, if Stoner was alive today his ideal AR with be basically an A1 with a flat top upper and a CAR-15 style stock, and it would be beautiful

Every point they made was explained and perfectly reasonable.

>>33619563
You might be autistic yourself if you can't think of more graceful, not even necessarily polite, ways to tell someone to shut up.

>>33612007
>Polymer lowers should be made beefier.
the lower in question is.

>>33611939
>LET ME FINISH

..and this time I'm cumming inside!

>>33611864
Fixed stock is far stronger, especially on poly lowers.

>>33619879
>he doesn't have a hetero life partner who he can be concise and honest with, without worrying about offending them.
>he has to tip toe around every social interaction in perpetual fear of making people mad
>he has no true friends
Your life is pretty sad desu.

>>33619948
Even lad banter insults would be fine, Karl and now you are just unpleasant

>>33616318
so you dont have/use an ar15.

>>33619879
you might be autistic yourself if you're so fucking triggered by the phrase "let me finish" in the middle of a discussion

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>>33611864
>watch Chris Bartocci livestream
>question:any recommendation for plate carrier?
>I dont know what that is you have to be more specific
You guys are so funny,there is no satisfying you.

>>33619968
>now you
I'm not even the guy you were talking to. I just made the observation.
>you are just unpleasant
If I cared that would probably make me feel a little sad inside.

>>33616170
>The lower looks ugly-sexy in the way a Webley revolver does
or in a way every british thing or person do.

>>33620019
I'm presuming that if you do act like Karl, you are unpleasant. If you want to prove me wrong, you can show me how cute you are ;)

>>33612346
retard

>>33616170
the problem with their rifle is that they claim they designed them as general issue guns for a military but then go ahead and make a 1940s mistake like using an unadjustable stock. I don't find that poly lower ugly, in fact, in coyote/FDE it's pretty rad looking. however, it's not the best general issue stock for thousands of conscripts...

>>33612380
BUIS have never been used in combat

>>33620057
>BUIS have never been used in combat
I'd just use an ACOG with built in ones. Plenty good.

>>33620049
I'd way rather have a fixed stock on a general issue gun. The extra strength and durability far outweighs any slight discomfort. Plus, you can hit someone in the face with a fixed stock.

>>33620045
Not very honestly. Unless you like body hair everywhere. I also have resting bitch face.

Loved their points on BUIS. They truly are outdated and useless. Really, if you want to have a redundant sighting system carry a spare red dot in your pack. It's going to blow BUIS out of the water.

>Pencil barrels
>Not 20 inches

...fucking shit, man, I'm THIS close to copying Ian's rifle sans bipod.

>>33620057
That's flat out wrong. You can read anecdotes of them being used.

>>33611831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2X1iaQbjg8
>nitride pencil barrel
>can't stand full auto fire
>(((military))) gun

>>33616069
>Any jam that can be fixed using a foward assist could be fixed by charging the rifle second time
I hope you like double feeds.
I have used a forward assist for its intended purpose. For example, I once had a round strip halfway off the mag and jam there. A light tap from the FA sent the BCG into battery in less than a second. Without the FA, I'd have had to pull the mag, pull the charging handle until the round dropped free, reinsert the mag and charge. So the FA made everything simpler and faster.

>>33619879
"Let me finish" -is- the graceful way to tell someone who interrupted you to shut up, you fucking mong.

>>33616069
Wrong, if the round is not fully chambered, the only 100% fix is to remove the magazine before using the charging handle a few times. Otherwise you will get double feeds if your extractor is not catching on the brass that clearly failed to chamber.

>>33619197
I once called Karl out for posting his Youtube rebuttals on Facebook, and said that doing so would create an exclusive and toxic environment where viewers would be hesitant to speak their minds because he's making fun of them.

He then made a huge wall-of-text post about how although he acknowledges my points, it's vital and necessary that incorrect information and bad opinions be exposed and put down publicly, and basically went on to justify his need to always be right. I don't know if that's autism, but it's a very engineer-like mindset.

>>33622499
>need to always be right
>hurr durr being exceptionally wrong is good
kys

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best 7 minutes of my life

>>33611939
What time in the video? You can't really tell when all that changes in 23 minutes are the position of their hands and the position of the bipod.

>>33619197
Hell, just look at the YouTube comments posted by InRange. Ian generally posts to answer specific technical or historical questions, but most of Karl's comments are essentially shitposts or getting into YouTube comment arguments.

>>33615094
Agree, digging a fighting position or filling sandbags they kickass, they also work for prone work as well. But with any hybrid, it won't do both as good as a dedicated bipod or grip. Most /k/ommandos are as bad as /v/irgins when it comes to stats.

>>33620135
>Carrying a second RDS.
>complain about how much BUIS weigh.
Retard detected.

>>33615624
Thats not how emp or nukes work.

>>33611889
>>33611831
Forward assists help the bolt fully seat when mud or debris is in the way, and /k/ is collectively retarded

FTFY

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>poorfags arguing about BUIS
>they came included on my scar 17

I wish literally anyone other than dirt poor trailer trash were gun enthusiasts

>>33612144
Lulululul, then why are the eotech and acog issued since soldiers started buying them themselves?

>>33622499
It's bad because he isn't always right either.

>>33622596
>Kys

Fuck off back to /r/guns Reddit fag.

>>33615576
Well considering my lifestyle, the odds of me ACTUALLY NEEDING any form of aim-assisting device are exactly zero.
>quality optics
>eotech
>didn't even spell it properly
kekekekekek

>>33624470
Or just to do a press-check or use when a mag deciding to be jewish with a round for whatever reason, but you're otherwise spot on.

>>33617380
>"b-but modern quality optics!"

>>33618576
I'm sorry does that change the fact that the FA being silent is bullshit? Or was it that you simply couldn't restrain yourself from adding your 'input', I hear they make pills for that these days.

>>33611939
He apologizes to Ian almost immediately afterwards.

>>33612422
This guy right here. There is literally no downside to installing a set of BUIS to a flat top rail. Bitching about the weight of a set of polymer sights is a level of autism as if Nuttin Fancy went Super Saiyan.

>>33625396
they didn't exclude them for weight reasons though, they did it "because we can"

>>33625396
>There is literally no downside to installing a set of BUIS to a flat top rail.
There is if you're a manlet wearing armor and issued an M16A4 with TA31 on it. Other than that, yeah there's not really a reason to not have them.

>>33625456
I'll admit to not watching the video. I just don't understand why anybody wouldn't want a set of irons on a rifle when it's so damn cheap and easy.

I guess I'm just a weird motherfucker.

>>33616318
Mostly karl. The dude's a fucking loon

>>33611840
>Frank Proctor also says irons are redundant

then stop listening to these asshats

>>33625396
It actually can even be significant advantage, off set BUIS can double serve as CCB sight for Ian's rifle with fixed power magnified optic.

Wow I just went to FB to look at the inrange page and it is the perfect example of why I've never had a FB and will stay that way. Every post is sucking his dick, they've somehow become anti back up sight zealots after one video and FB post from their god Karl. That type of nut riding makes me queasy, and you can tell Karl fucking loves being at the center of it.

>>33624569
nice having that kind of (((money))) to drop on a hobby

>>33626397
That's if you believe him in the first place, it's always cracked me up that some guy who used his credit card to buy a 3k gun thinks he's David Rockefeller. I personally have a limit on what I'll put into a gun with no collectors value (to me), so I wouldn't buy a scar but I and I'm sure many of those he considers could afford to.

>>33612566
Not having to pay for something that you want and are familiar with is just as good and cav gets a free promo. I know /k/ blasting the word shill over and over can kinda lodge it in your head, but come on

>>33627221
>Says he's done work for them in the past
>Still refuse to have even the slightest criticism for the ecelebs you worship

Pathetic.

>>33617945
Source?

I want to call bullshit but the soviets built nuclear concerns into so much of their gear I'm tempted to believe it.

>>33611831
just quit your bitchin' it's a concept you jagoff

>>33614317
>Dear imbeciles in random comment sections of the internet,
HAHAHA, they totally do brouse this board and don't admit it! That FB post drips with fedora-tier autism, BTW

>>33615368
kys

>>33630675
I think Karl
John Hickok
Mattv2099
Frequently lurk and post

>>33630675
I've actually seen Othias post on here once or twice too.

>>33611831
>>fwd assist? nah fuck it

If you legitimately think the forward assist is a useful addition to any rifle you need to go away.

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>>33624569
What would you make of this scar build?

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>accuse others of autism while foaming at the mouth about someone else's experimental rifle build choices that do not affect you

>>33614428
Karl go on cum town

>>33611864
guess what asshole, you're never gonna be a fancy operator warrior gunfighter.

you don't need an adjustable stock

>>33617409
A violent crime occurs every 26 seconds in this country, mean time to failure of an eotech is 5000 hours. You're statistically, factually wrong, and also you type like a fag.

>>33615368
lmao kys

>>33620135
aside from the fact that the optic is going to weigh 4 times as much as a pair of BUIS and is going to need to be zeroed before you're able to use it.

>>33635474
>It's rare so don't have an unobtrusive backup option

Kill yourself eotech fag. Hope you don't fight above 90 degrees

>>33632828
That could be anyone of hundreds or more people claiming to be him to get a rise out of strangers on the internet.