Would it be possible/practical to make arrows with shaped charge

Like a bullet proofed pick SUV or something, you know?
Also: Ideas thread

>>33548626
Depends. Green Arrow isn't always on the Justice League team. He only averages about two episodes a season.

Also no, you're dumb. Why doesn't anyone lurk before they post. You shouldn't be posting, this isn't thread worthy.

>>33548695
Party pooper

>>33548626
How about we forget the bow stage and strap a rocket to it. I know! We'll shove it in a tube and call it a Rocket Propelled Grenade.

>>33548765
>what is improvised weaponry

>>33548831
Alright let's dissect your retardation
>shape charge on a stick
>very very front heavy
You're not doing dick with anything smaller than a brick and even if you have a brick you better know what you're doing and a magic wand. Secondly since no one will allow you near a real bow you'll probably be stuck with one of those 15lb shitty plastic bows. So, you're wanting to launch 5lbs with precise accuracy over 20ft. Good luck.

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>>33548626
maybe

>>33548884
What is the theoretical minimum size for a shaped charge to penetrate an armored SUV?
Not quite cadillac one, but the sort of vehicle a mexican narco would have

>>33549135
A football sized penetrator being propelled by a rocket.

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>>33549153
there are smaller options that would probably penetrate an armored car
http://inert-ord.net/yugos/yughr/m93/index.html

>>33549286
>a rifle grenade strapped to an arrow
Interesting, We're getting closer

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>>33549364
it'd just need the section with the text up threaded onto an arrow shaft, pretty front heavy but still fireable.

>>33548626
Yes, if you can lob and EFP far enough and get the detonator right, the "arrow" would penetrate.

Really all you're doing is chucking an EFP though.

>>33549432
Hmmm
How easily can you improvise a shaped charge of this quality?
What kind of explosives would it need?

>>33548626
yeah but only if you replace the arrow with a crossbow bolt and the armored vehicle with a dragon and you shoot down its throat just before it breathes fire, in the failing light, when it can't focus. Magic hour.

>>33549478
Improvise, as in make the explosives or detonator? Nope.

If you have some RDX maybe I'll admit you could fabricate an impact detonator thing, but you're not making large batches of high explosives.

ISIS released a fairly well written article on the various types of EFPs and how to make them, angles of the disc, angles of attack, etc.

Their only real suggestion for explosives was to take whatever from UO or leftover artillery shells.

>>33549478
>How easily can you improvise a shaped charge of this quality?
pretty easily, metal tube, copper cone, high explosives, primer and bob's your uncle.
>What kind of explosives would it need?
something fast

>>33549526
>>33549537
How much would the arrowhead weigh?

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>>33548626
In theory, yes.

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How thick is the armor in this type of narco-tier SUV?

>>33548626
Look, I like that show too, but it's really gone downhill since the end of season three. The only thing that saved season four was Neal McDonough's performance, and the less said about season five the better, Dolph Lundgren notwithstanding. Flash is still running strong (no pun intended, but will probably start going downhill in a season or two. And don't even get me started on the shitshow that is Legends of Tomorrow - which is a damn shame because I like both Brandon Routh and Arthur Darvill.

>>33549743
What the fuck are you talking about?
Fucking comic book nerds, i'm just toying arounf with the possible applications for shaped charges

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>>33548626
>Would it be possible/practical to make arrows with shaped charge arrowheads that could penetrate civilian tier armored vehicles?
Yes but the fusing would be a pain in the ass. Civilian armored cars and police vehicles (when armored) usually have the armor plate on the interior of the bodywork. So your head would have to penetrate that without detonating (which is difficult enough to do with a bow) and then be smart enough to detonate ONLY when it hits the actual plate. IF you could figure all that out, you could probably get by just fine with a small charge (like 40mm HEDP or even smaller).

But if your fusing is stupid and detonates on the outer door skin, it might be several inches away from the actual armor and you would need a retardedly huge warhead (for a fucking arrow anyways) to penetrate effectively.

Of course, windows won't be as much of a problem.

>>33549153
>Football-sized penetrator for a fucking armored Suburban
You, sir, are retarded.

>>33549450
EFPs have shit penetration for the diameter compared to conical HEAT (1-2x the diameter of the charge, vs as high as 10x for HEAT), but an armored street car might have such thin armor you could potentially get away with it. And the standoff capability certainly simplifies fusing.

>>33548626
You'd probably have to launch it from a ballista, but yeah it could be done. I think that for a shaped charge of the kind you're talking about the blast cone has to be at least as deep as the armor is thick, just to give you an idea of scale.

>>33550397
Ok, then tell me, how much HE would be needed to do damage to an armored vehicle and still be effective when mounted on a stick?

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>>33548626
>>33549286
>>33550397

Is a Mad Max thunderstick big enough to fuck up an armored vehicle?

Also, how far away from the target does a shaped charge have to be to be effective?

>>33552607
yes

in contact with the armor, early detonation, even a few inches, will render it ineffective

>>33552607
>that feeling in the mad max video game when you stab a thunderstick in a war boys chest and kick him away from you

just bliss

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y'all really are 14
I am still disappoint

>>33551065
>how much HE would be needed to do damage to an armored vehicle
A few ounces in a 1-2" shaped charge? Bulletproof cars don't have very thick armor.
>>33552607
>Also, how far away from the target does a shaped charge have to be to be effective?
Judging by most warhead designs, the standoff for a typical cone liner should be at least 2-3 diameters for the jet to form; otherwise the pre-jet liner will barely penetrate at all. Further than that is less critical, and in some cases even beneficial, but at very long standoffs (5+ diameters) the jet will start to disperse and penetration will suffer.

Of course, EFPs and certain shaped charges may be less prone to jet/penetrator dispersal and can work at extreme standoffs, but this tends to come at a tradeoff of jet tip velocity and therefore penetration through armor at optimal standoff.

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Kind of, anon. Instead of a bow, use a crossbow for greater mechanical power, range, and payload. And furthermore, to reduce width of the weapon, replace the conventional bowstring with a very strong coiled spring...

>>33554308
they weren't real.

>>33548626
https://youtu.be/0jTf_L1S0F8

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>>33555488
Those were basically spigot mortars if I recall. Not a bad idea but a launcher like that would be hard to conceal and heavy to move around.

>>33549500
This. Crossbow shaped charge.


oh wait that's a PIAT

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So you all are saying these aren't real?

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>>33556013
Oi, Boy ! Is dat some DoD ?

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This would be a bit overkill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKG-3_anti-tank_grenade

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>>33556206
well they are, they just don't explode

>>33548884
I think someone did a calculation and a 9mm sized shape charge can penetrate anywhere between 17mm-60mm of RHA

>>33556506
Surprised nobody made .45ACP-HEAT then..

>>33556552
>load .45 heat shells into your thompson
>pink mist those fucking krauts hiding in their halftrack

>>33556571
>germans whine that heat is too effective
>geneva pls ban
>heat now warcrime