What sort of nuclear weapon(s) would it take to destroy the Three

>>33536271
I don't have your answer, bus I will speculate wildly until undercover Oppenheimer shows up.

I would imagine if someone was truly going to go that route, instead of leaving it intact so they could use the infrastructure post invasion, then they would want two or three medium yield weapons set to go off immediately above the surface, or if possible under water very near the dam, around dead center where it will be weakest.

obviously the warheads would be timed to not arrive simultaneously.

>>33536271
One

Large

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wouldn't need a nuclear weapon.

A GBU-57a/b or two on the backside of the dam would be sufficient.

>>33536271
>hit the dam with a nuke
>flood china with irradiated water

>>33536639
Is that a bad idea?

Its just chink shit. I bet one small pipe bomb int he right spot would KO it

>>33536639
the radiation from a modern thermonuclear weapon is inconsequential.

The flood from a sudden catastrophic failure of the dam would kill tens of millions directly or from secondary and tertiary effects. hundreds of billions in economic damage. government emergency response services would be broken from the strain.

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>>33536680
yes, yes it is

>>33536704
>the radiation from a modern thermonuclear weapon is inconsequential.
This is absolutely incorrect.

>>33536786
it really is.

you're fine as long as you don't consume/inhale any radioactive material. after a week or two, especially if there is rain and wind. it will be gone enough to be outside.

the world will not turn into Fallout, even if all the nuclear weapons were used.

>>33536704
>the radiation from a modern thermonuclear weapon is inconsequential
I find this hard to believe
>>33536842
>you're fine as long as you don't consume/inhale any radioactive material. after a week or two, especially if there is rain and wind. it will be gone enough to be outside.
So a new garden the next spring won't cause death and defects?

>>33536842

>you're fine as long as you don't consume/inhale any radioactive material

>nuke a massive dam with fuck tons of water
>tons of water gets boiled with tons more now containing radioactive material
>this floods a fuck huge area of China
>radioactive flood + radioactive rain

anyone in the vicinity of that nuke is turbo fucked mate

Just when you think /k/ has turned to shit, OP ask a decent question. The only thing I have to add is that the PRC runs realistic training exercises where the USA goes total war and uses all kinds of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. There has yet to be an exercised published to the West about the destruction of Three Gorges Dam.

>>33536271
you wouldn't need a nuke to destroy a damn

just a really fuckheug bunker buster

>>33538891
It depends, but the answer is "Generally, no".

After a couple of weeks, the radiation is pretty much gone. At that point, the only possible danger left is from toxicity; even after decaying completely, exploded bomb fuel can still be bad for you if you swallow it. This problem led to the infamous Civil Defense recommendations that farmers strip the top foot of their topsoil before planting the next crop; in practice, this would only have been remotely necessary on land near (and downwind from) the missile silos the western edge of the Great Plains.

To OP's topic, there is such a massive amount of water behind that dam that even if several weapons were used, the radioactive byproducts would be dispersed by the flood to such an extent that they would essentially be non-existent.

>>33536696

Agreed.

>>33538891
>I find this hard to believe

physics doesn't care what you believe.

>anyone in the vicinity of that nuke is turbo fucked mate

no shit dumbass, or did you mean NOT in the immediate vicinity but close enough to be exposed to radiation?

Its hard to tell what stupid people are talking about sometimes because they use such imprecise language, mate

modern nukes effeciently burn their fuel without leaving shit behind and the exposed irradiated particles have well known and documented half lifes, and most of the dangerous ones can be measured in hours or days

test

>>33536271
>damn made by china

1 jdam would fucking demolish that thing.

>>33540079
>dam made by china

the river will tunnel under it or around it in its own good time.

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>>33540107

NO STYROFOAM IS STRONG

5 HUNDRED MIRRON TONS OF IT USE TO STOP RIVER

>>33536271
>When Bravo was detonated, it formed a fireball almost 4.5 miles (7.2 km) across within a second. This fireball was visible on Kwajalein atoll over 250 miles (400 km) away. The explosion left a crater 6,500 feet (2,000 m) in diameter and 250 feet (76 m) in depth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo

Look up "operation chastise"
The allies developed a bouncing barrel bomb that would be deployed from a rotating rig on a bomber.
It would bounce on the lake and then sink along the dam wall. Then it would blow up and destroy the dam.
A scaled up version of this would be enough to destroy the three gorges dam.
No need for a nuke.

>>33536271
Nah, it will collapse in no time, no need for nukes or any other bombs. Remember, China is a paper tiger, everything is fake and fragile, they're no match for Western fluid genders army.

>Some time ago, a famous expert in water conservancy had dedicated to the author, that the Three Gorges Dam actually impregnable, even by a direct blow to the small nuclear weapons, also won't happen dam break tragedy, his reason is, the Three Gorges dam is very stable in concrete gravity dam, narrow width, can completely by virtue of its enormous gravity remained stable, and the dam impoundment area wide, even if draws back 10000 steps speaking, the enemy using the powerful new weapons to defeat the dam, peak on the downstream effects of only prompt the temporary effect, will not cause "water flooded seven army" of large scale disasters.

http://www.bestchinanews.com/Military/196.html

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This 33-90 kilowatt laser, among other things, will kill all american attempts to attack the dam.

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>>33540179

*kinetically bombards you*

>>33540191
*teleports behind you*

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>>33536271
You don't need a nuke see pic

>>33540285
They are actually aiming for that.

Shooting down US sats with chemical spess lasers orbiting behind them

http://www.atimes.com/article/light-war-space-based-lasers-among-beijings-high-tech-arms/

>China’s military is developing powerful lasers, electromagnetic railguns and high-power microwave weapons for use in a future “light war” involving space-based attacks on satellites.

>Beijing’s push to produce so-called directed-energy weapons aims to neutralize America’s key strategic advantage: the web of intelligence, communication and navigation satellites enabling military strikes of unparalleled precision expeditionary warfare far from US shores.

>The idea of a space-based laser gun was disclosed in the journal Chinese Optics in December 2013 by three researchers, Gao Ming-hui, Zeng Yu-quang and Wang Zhi-hong. All work for the Changchun Institute for Optics, Fine Mechanics and Physics – the leading center for laser weapons technology.

>“In future wars, the development of ASAT [anti-satellite] weapons is very important,” they wrote. “Among those weapons, laser attack system enjoys significant advantages of fast response speed, robust counter-interference performance and a high target destruction rate, especially for a space-based ASAT system. So the space-based laser weapon system will be one of the major ASAT development projects.”

>The researchers propose building a 5-ton chemical laser that will be stationed in low-earth orbit as a combat platform capable of destroying satellites in orbit. Given funding by the Chinese military, which is in charge of China’s space program, the satellite-killing laser could be deployed by 2023.

>>33540133

Maybe we could scale up a a Lancaster to do the job too.

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*BRRRAAAAAP*

>>33539616

>physics doesn't care what you believe.

Then maybe study it instead of talking out of your ass.

Modern thermonuclear weapons get most of their explosive energy from fission (as did those obsolete nukes you're claiming these were much cleaner than), which is where all the radioactive fallout comes from. We could have cleaner bombs that used fusion, but it would greatly reduce explosive yield, so fuck that.

The radioactive danger from modern nuclear weapons isn't much different than weapons from half a century ago, now go be a fat kid somewhere else.

>>33536271
>Three Gorges Dam
>Made in China

A good shaking by hand should do it.

>>33540133
Or we could, you know, just drop a few guided penetrators on it. Because internal detonations are a lot more effective at destroying structures than surface explosions would ever be.

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>>33540150
>bestchinanews

You're gonna have to try harder than that Mr 50 cent poster.

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>implying Guam will survive long enough for the B-2s to take off

>>33536271
davy crocket should do

>>33540322
Neat!

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>>33540317
>5-ton chemical laser that will be stationed in low-earth orbit

Straight out of Gravity. This is cartoon villain evil/irresponsible.

>>33536382
>post invasion

You're doing it wrong. Invading China is the war equivalent of wrapping your head in duct tape. Getting out of it takes a long time, and you won't be the same as when you started.

Just beat on them until they stop doing whatever it was that you objected to in the first place.

>>33540708

>B-2's are based from guam

Hahahahahahah. They might get deployed there but only B-52's go to gaum.

You also have to fly those Df-26's over the entire pacific BMD fleet, along with THAAD which whacks IRBM's (Hera test rockets the russians bitched about being IRBMS) all day long.

THAAD deployments are 6 vehicles, 8 launchers each. Thats 48 missiles at one time between reloads, AFTER whatever AEGIS gets its hands on.

Say it with me, DF-26 is a meme.

>>33536639
The reservoir is already filthy with industrial and human waste. If the dam goes, the whole country gets flooded with sewage and heavy metals.

A generation later is when the really interesting results start cropping up.

>>33541060
Kek. You think China will leave it with Guam? It will be a creeping barrage, accurately timed to destroy ABM radars and missiles first before minutes later the DF-26s are impacting on Guam. And your BMD fleet will also be attacked and have their hands full with defending against ASBMs and long range anti ship missiles.

>>33536271
Why would China be so stupid as to declare war on their biggest trade partners? I don't think they'd go so far as to kill their entire country by fighting an unwinnable war over some shitty islands and small oil reserves when they can just buttfuck africa over resources. In all honesty the US/NATO would most likely be the aggressor in a conflict, given past trends

>>33541866
>fifty cents actually believe this

>>33538891
>So a new garden the next spring won't cause death and defects?

That's more a matter of plant uptake. Depends on what the plants take in, and how much. You might be looking at an uptick in cancer cases in a couple of decades, and possibly some increase in birth defects.

You're not going to have to do MOPP IV just to cook your broccoli, and you won't be able to use carrots for nightlights.

>>33540150
What in the fuck are you trying to say? Did you just have a stroke? Do you need help?

>>33541952
their "booming" economy is built upon falsehoods and corruption and it will eventually crash hard, I wouldn't put it past them to attempt to remove the US from the iron throne on the eve of their inevitable collapse.

>>33541866
> It will be a creeping barrage, accurately timed to destroy ABM radars

Being as how the DF-26 has a 150–450 m CEP....no.

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>>33543301
People like you keep saying that since decades. But in these decades, the average Chinese grows richer by the day.

https://www.ft.com/content/f4a260e6-f75a-11e6-bd4e-68d53499ed71
http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001071536/en

>Report: Chinese Wages Now Higher Than In Brazil, Argentina And Mexico

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>>33543608
Nice try, but the DF-26 is also used as ASBM, which has a very good CEP for targeting moving ships.

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>>33536271
Did somebody say blowing up dams?

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>>33540150
I don't even need to say anything.

>>33543653
Fun story, Chinese wages already grew so much that Chinese low-tier manufacturing is already moving to Vietnam and Laos.

If you look at the urban streets in China, you will barely see bicycles anymore, but plenty of Mercedes, Audi, Bentley.

China shows that capitalism with communist controls over industrial policies fucking work - as compared to non-restricted libtard capitalism that only produces failed states like in India and much of South America.

>>33543662

Ships =/ radars, that can move.

Furthermore, there is no proof it actually exists

>>33543818
>there is no proof it actually exists

Even better for China. Because you wont know what hits you.

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>>33536271
I don't know, but have this wonderful photo taken during it's contruction

>>33543835

lel

How are you going to hit radars that are under THAAD's umbrella?

>>33543841
that is the power plant. the actual dam is already finished.

>>33543856
Oh, alright.

>>33543850
Disable THAAD first. Lasers, High Power Microwave weapons or maneuverable hypersonic reentry warheads.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1035343.shtml

>"Once the system has been deployed, Seongju county will appear on the list of the PLA missile system's strike targets," said Song Zhongping, a military expert who used to serve in the Second Artillery Corps (now the PLA Rocket Force).

>The main threat is its X-band radar which can monitor China's military deployment and missile-launch, which will seriously undermine China's nuclear deterrence, Song said.

>But of course, China will not launch an attack in peacetime, but China has various measures to destroy it in the event of a war on the Korean Peninsula, so it will not pose a threat to China during the war period, Song said.

>"In peacetime, China also has measures to counter the THAAD system, for instance, making it 'blind,' which is very easy. The PLA is entirely capable of doing that," Peng Guangqian, a military strategist at the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Academy of Military Science, told the Global Times on Tuesday.

>"Making it 'blind' is a choice, but it will require damaging or even destroying THAAD's radar system, so this is a 'hard measure,' normally implemented by a directed-energy weapon or laser weapon," Song said.

>>33543841
The rough look of it with the antiquated cranes really encapsulates what I would expect from a mass construction project from China.

>>33541008

We should make it clear that we would consider shooting down a satellite (or major cyberattacks in general) to be up there with a WMD attack and treated accordingly.

>>33543798

I don't know why the fiction of a communist china persists when by more metrics they are fascist. I don't mean that in the boogeyman bad word way, but it fits the bill for fascism a lot more than gommunism.

>>33543884
> Lasers, High Power Microwave weapons

All of those wont work in Guam, due to the ranges involved.

> maneuverable hypersonic reentry warheads.

THAAD defeats these.

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>>33543913
depends on the project.

old cranes work just as good, while for other projects, new machines are developed to streamline certain processes.

>>33536271
You could do it with a conventional explosive bunker buster. Once water starts going through a small section of it, the water will demolish the rest of the dam itself.

>>33536271
That's damn big.

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While the US still uses baseline THAAD, China already has THAAD-ER (HQ-19).

>>33536382
Invading China is moronic. It's too large to occupy

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>>33543974

>>33543974

>HQ-19 = THAAD-ER

>still not in service
>babbys first EKV

kek

>>33536445
Kinda depends on whether we have air superiority or not... Granted there's a distinct likelihood that the boys at groom lake have a couple of whatever ended up replacing the blackbird kitted out to drop a single weapon as a test bed, or even a practical weapon platform.. well as practical as can be considering how much fuel the SR-71 and A-12s chugged anything based around a similar design wouldn't exactly sip fuel either.


Anyway, the powerhouse and water control facilities would be a better target. break those and you've got an unmitigated flow of water flowing out of the dam. Just look at what happened in california at the oroville dam and what happened to the spillway. Now imagine that kind of damage going on through the internals of the water control systems.

>>33536271
>What sort of nuclear weapon(s) would it take to destroy the Three Gorges Dam in the event of China going to war with the US, India, or Russia?
Surface burst. Low kiloton.

>>33536704
>the radiation from a modern thermonuclear weapon is inconsequential.
The primary deciding factors are HOB and fission fraction.
No matter the fission fraction, a burst height that draws up surface material will produce fallout that is anything but "inconsequential," even if its only in the immediate area.

In this specific case, the fallout will be very bad. The vaporized water will condense around radioactive material and precipitate out as it cools, creating very intense areas of radioactivity in the immediate area.

>>33538891
>So a new garden the next spring won't cause death and defects?
No.


>>33540150
>Three Gorges Dam actually impregnable,
This is pretty funny.

>>33540708
You don't need Guam for B-2's.
In any case the likely weapon would be an SLBM.

>>33541866
This is even funnier than the last one.

>>33543975
you just need to smash their major eastern cities

>>33543913
>rough look

Please, go ahead and show me a "clean/smooth looking" construction project of this scale in mid step.

As for the cranes, they're cranes, if they lift the shit on site, that's all you need. With how many construction projects that are constantly ongoing in China, I'd suspect that every crane imported or built there is probably still in use, no matter what year they were built in.

>>33540580
>>Modern thermonuclear weapons get most of their explosive energy from fission
Wrong.

Largest fission bomb ever was 500kt. A maximum yield of a B83 is over twice that.

>>33543798
>If you look at the urban streets in China, you will barely see bicycles anymore, but plenty of Mercedes, Audi, Bentley.

What a bold face lie. As someone who just visited shanghai and HK, thats 100% false.

>>33540150
Yes, next time I would like ranch on my word salad.

>>33541040
I don't know if you came up with that metaphor but it's a good one.

>>33544102
>>33540580
>(as did those obsolete nukes you're claiming these were much cleaner than)
The largest thermonuclear device ever created by America was 25megatons, 50x more powerful than the largest fission bomb.

>>33544130
Just sitting there eating breakfast and it came to me. I was originally going to go with something along the lines of getting your dick stuck in a glue trap, but couldn't make it work.

>>33540396
>chong knew he was fucked, but he didn't want go down without a fight
>the nukes were on the way, and nothing would stop them from destroying his nation
>yet, at the moment he saw the bright lines they carved through the smog filled air on their way down, he had an idea
>rushing quickly to his CWIS, he fired up the radar and locked the missile
>the computer was never designed to calculate an intercept on such a small, fast target
>thankfully chong's mind is like computer, and he quickly reprograms computer to do the task
>He lets off with a burst of 23mm
>nuke shredded before impact
>fizzle
>America BTFO

>>33543798
Go away 50 cent poster, the average chinese citizen is barely above the international poverty line.

>>33536842
Good luck eating or drinking anything that isn't canned

>>33544102
Soviets were pretty confident that that could get megaton yields out of Sloika type devices.


>>33544200
Or you could wash everything that you eat.
Or wait until fallout had decayed to safe(r) levels.

>>33543884
>maneuverable hypersonic reentry warheads
>turn radius measured in tens of kilometers
Maneuverability is a buzz word at this point.

>>33544220
The fact remains that the majority of the energy in a modern thermonuclear device comes from nuclear fusion. Yes, there is still a lot of fission fuel that get's scattered all over the place. They aren't "clean". But most of the energy is indeed from fusion.

>>33544009
With dams you only need a little hole in the main structure to fuck up the entire thing.

>>33544253
>>33544253
>majority of the energy in a modern thermonuclear device comes from nuclear fusion.
What do you call modern?

>>33536271

Knowingly destroying civilian infrastructure causing millions of causalities for the explicit purpose of causing casualties in a non total war situation is basically committing geopolitical suicide. There'd be no credibility left for the invader.

Nuking strategic major cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing would be miles better.

>>33543884
There is so much wrong with this fucking post....do Chinese citizens buy this bullshit?

....where does one even begin?

>>33544257
Why bother even trying to make a new hole if you can just fuck up what's plugging an existing set.

If you have an uncontrolled flow going through the normal water control structure it'll wreck shit pretty quick and soon enough it starts tearing apart the superstructure of the damn from the pressure of the water flowing though.

Source: worked with maintenance in the army corps of engineers on a couple dams. Always gotta check shit before and after a water release.

>>33544334
One issue with your theory. No one will care if millions of Chinese people die. Not even the Chinese.

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>>33543997
First KKV test was in 2005.

The first HQ-19 brigade was commissioned this year on 20th of March.

http://www.eastpendulum.com/un-nouveau-bataillon-chinois-de-hq-19-ou-de-s-400

>>33544119
When? 1990?

HK is a shithole compared to any 2nd tier city of China.

No Chinese urbanite lives in bird-cages. But the Honkies do. Thank the british for that.

t.someone who has worked 7 years in China.

>>33544356
yes. but we want rapid total failure and release of water. So there isn't time to evacuate along the river.

>>33544356
Sure, but you have to have a good aim. Those big steel pieces can take a surprising amount of explosive power without being significantly damaged. Example being in WWII when some German factories were leveled with explosives but machinery and tools were extracted from the rubble largely undamaged and put to use again immediately.

That being said, the damaged ones didn't force a flow rate of thousands of gallons per hour through holes the size of oranges.

>>33544362

>I'm an edgy /pol/tard and savior of the white race by showing random shitposters on /k/ that I can shitpost better than them.

>>33544393
Got back 3 months ago. you see a lot of knockoffs in China but it's mostly low end coupes a bunch of motorcycles and bikes.

I maybe saw one Mercedes and I sure as hell did not see any Bentleys.

oh and Hong Kong was much nicer overall

>deploying from the air over China

Bad idea.

you just need to get one of those little suitcase nuke things out of storage, sneak it into china through some isolated and little watched part of its immense sea border using a micro sub, have a few operators cleverly disguised as peasants lug it near the dam, put it in a robotic alligator, and swim it up to the dam,dive it down to about halfway, and kablooey!

>>33544446
Recent anti-corruption measures have thinned down the population of luxury cars on Chinese streets, but they are still a lot - this time not owned by officials but entrepeneurs and companies. Same as super expensive restaurants, brand-bags and Maotai liqueur.

>>33544374
>First KKV test was in 2005.

Still babbys first. US had exo atmospheric kvs since SDI in the 80s.

>random surrender monkey blog as a source

Wew lad. If that's the case the US has plasma based weapons it used in the gulf war.

I enjoy how you ignore the base argument.

>>33544423
But anon, it's true. Are you going to argue that if the news came out and said that, say, the UK had randomly killed 30 million Chinese peasants you'd care?

>>33544509
They sure as fuck are not Mercedes or bentlys. Lots of knockoffs sure, but a grand majority of the knockoffs are again, coups and hatchbacks.

Your post reeks of damage control by the way.

>>3354410
>The Tsar Bomba was a three-stage bomb with Trutnev-Babaev[11] second and third stage design,[12] with a yield of 50 megatons.[13] This is equivalent to about 1,570 times the combined energy of the bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,[14] 10 times the combined energy of all the conventional explosives used in World War II,[15] one quarter of the estimated yield of the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa, and 10% of the combined yield of all nuclear tests to date. A three-stage H-bomb uses a fission bomb primary to compress a thermonuclear secondary, as in most H-bombs, and then uses energy from the resulting explosion to compress a much larger additional thermonuclear stage. There is evidence that the Tsar Bomba had several third stages rather than a single very large one.[16]
>The initial three-stage design was capable of yielding approximately 100 Mt, but it would have caused too much nuclear fallout and the plane delivering the bomb would not have enough time to escape the explosion. To limit fallout, the third stage and possibly the second stage had a lead tamper instead of a uranium-238 fusion tamper (which greatly amplifies the reaction by fissioning uranium atoms with fast neutrons from the fusion reaction). This eliminated fast fission by the fusion-stage neutrons, so that approximately 97% of the total yield resulted from thermonuclear fusion alone (as such, it was one of the "cleanest" nuclear bombs ever created, generating a very low amount of fallout relative to its yield).[17] There was a strong incentive for this modification since most of the fallout from a test of the bomb would likely have ended up on populated Soviet territory.[16][18]2
Three-stage design with uranium-238 fusion tamper can deliver ~50% their power from fusion and they are extremely dirty. Perfect weapon for MAD.

>>33544323
Anything currently in service.

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>>33544549
>Still babbys first. US had exo atmospheric kvs since SDI in the 80s.

China had their first exo-atmospheric ABM in 1979. Pic related.

>random surrender monkey blog

He is widely quoted by Jane's and recognized as a seasoned PLA watcher.

>>33544423
Chinamen are so numerous, you may as well step on ants. That's the simple fact of the matter.

>>33536271
China is so corrupt we could defeat them by offering all high-ranking CCP members a harem of blonde 18 year old women to fuck and private islands if they turn their nukes on their own people.

>>33544405
True, but now we're getting into differences in strategy. You want mass casualties rapidly, meanwhile my intent is "long term fuckery to infrastructure"

Also bear in mind that an uncontrolled release of water will still result in many casualties. Not as many as a total failure of the dam, but I'd assume the Chinese government would just write the whole area off if that happened and focus more on dealing with any conflict. My route ties up resources in attempting to contain and mitigate further damage to the infrastructure and at least do a halfhearted attempt to look for survivors in the affected areas, as well as tying up more resources mitigating damages further down river.

>>33544406
If we can put a cruise missile through a specific window I'm pretty sure one could target the valves of the dam. Hell it could probably be done with small single use drone submersibles even.

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>>33536271

I'm a CAD tech in a structural engineering firm.

Dams are full of "fracture critical members;" if one of these FCMs breaks, the whole, damn, dam, <b>will</b> fail. It will start to crumble and collapse, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

The force of the river flow will overload the remaining structural members, and one-by-one or possibly several at once, the structural members will go. And in the end, you will have a catastrophic failure and resulting disaster.

>>33536271
Well considering it's been showing cracks since the damn filled, I doubt it would need more than a handful of penetrating bombs.

>>33544563

Millions of people evaporating from fucking retarded military decisions is an applaudable affair.

I'd give a shit or two, but i'd be more concerned about the fuckwits who started WWIII just because of basic /pol/itics and the edge factor.

>>33544590
You should say "slight majority" of their power from fusion.

>>33544608
But you have no power over you feminist girls, bringing them into you business is only asking for trouble.

>>33536680
Would they even notice the difference?

>>33544605
>China had their first exo-atmospheric ABM in 1979. Pic related.

Not kv, does not count. US was developing the same in 1955.

>He is widely quoted by Jane's and recognized as a seasoned PLA watcher.

According to?

>>33544635
500kt is the largest fission device ever made. That doesn't mean a 1.2mt thermonuclear device uses a 500kt fission stage. The fission stage in a thermonuclear device that small will be much smaller.

Made in China.

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>>33544608
America is so corrupt that China would easily defeat the US by offering Trump's girl some market access for her shit in exchange for retreating back across the Pacific.

>>33540580
Oralloy thermonuclear warheads

In the course of eighteen months of news coverage, the W88 warhead was described in unusual detail. The New York Times printed a schematic diagram on its front page.[58] The most detailed drawing appeared in A Convenient Spy, the 2001 book on the Wen Ho Lee case by Dan Stober and Ian Hoffman, adapted and shown here with permission.
Designed for use on Trident II (D-5) submarine-launched ballistic missiles, the W88 entered service in 1990 and was the last warhead designed for the U.S. arsenal. It has been described as the most advanced, although open literature accounts do not indicate any major design features that were not available to U.S. designers in 1958.
The above diagram shows all the standard features of ballistic missile warheads since the 1960s, with two exceptions that give it a higher yield for its size.
The outer layer of the secondary, called the "pusher", which serves three functions: heat shield, tamper, and fission fuel, is made of U-235 instead of U-238, hence the name Oralloy (U-235) Thermonuclear. Being fissile, rather than merely fissionable, allows the pusher to fission faster and more completely, increasing yield. This feature is available only to nations with a great wealth of fissile uranium.
The secondary is located in the wide end of the re-entry cone, where it can be larger, and thus more powerful. The usual arrangement is to put the heavier, denser secondary in the narrow end for greater aerodynamic stability during re-entry from outer space, and to allow more room for a bulky primary in the wider part of the cone. (The W87 warhead drawing in the W87 article shows the usual arrangement.) Because of this new geometry, the W88 primary uses compact conventional high explosives (CHE) to save space,[59] rather than the more usual, and bulky but safer, insensitive high explosives (IHE). The re-entry cone probably has ballast in the nose for aerodynamic stability.[60]

>>33544709
In case of TPP, China already achieved their goals kek.

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>>33544743
A fictional doomsday bomb, made popular by Nevil Shute's 1957 novel, and subsequent 1959 movie, On the Beach, the cobalt bomb was a hydrogen bomb with a jacket of cobalt. The neutron-activated cobalt would supposedly have maximized the environmental damage from radioactive fallout. These bombs were popularized in the 1964 film Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb; the element added to the bombs is referred to in the film as 'cobalt-thorium G'.
Such "salted" weapons were requested by the U.S. Air Force and seriously investigated, possibly built and tested, but not deployed. In the 1964 edition of the DOD/AEC book The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, a new section titled Radiological Warfare clarified the issue.[42] Fission products are as deadly as neutron-activated cobalt. The standard high-fission thermonuclear weapon is automatically a weapon of radiological warfare, as dirty as a cobalt bomb.
Initially, gamma radiation from the fission products of an equivalent size fission-fusion-fission bomb are much more intense than Co-60: 15,000 times more intense at 1 hour; 35 times more intense at 1 week; 5 times more intense at 1 month; and about equal at 6 months. Thereafter fission drops off rapidly so that Co-60 fallout is 8 times more intense than fission at 1 year and 150 times more intense at 5 years. The very long-lived isotopes produced by fission would overtake the 60Co again after about 75 years.[43]

>Initially, gamma radiation from the fission products of an equivalent size fission-fusion-fission bomb are much more intense than Co-60:
>The very long-lived isotopes produced by fission would overtake the 60Co again after about 75 years.
>after about 75 years.
>75 years.

>>33544668
Yes, but it is more accurate to say that modern nukes get at least a slight majority of their yield from fusion.

>>33544709
That's odd, there are ships in the SCS right now, and f35s in Japan

>>33544774
>75 years.
You realize that you are looking at the wrong thing.

If you have something that is 15,000 more intense than co-60, that is meaningless without knowing the initial dose rate.
You could be in an area where even a level 15,000 times what you would expect is still safe to spend decades in with no ill effects.

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>>33544791
Yeah, US ships in the SCS has the effect of pic related.

And Japan is just very good in begging and getting screwed over by Trump's "art of deal". F-35 will become Japan's second F-2 fiasco - only worse.

>>33544644
We'll buy some from Russia. 2nd place Miss Russia sold her virginity to some kebab in Dubai, right now she's probably fucking dogs and 12 year old boys.

>>33544850
Russian woman are trashy

>>33544889
You think a chinaman can tell the difference? All he sees is white pussy.

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>>33536271

Wouldn't need nuclear weapons. A B-2 dropping a couple of MOPs (Massive Ordinance Penetrators) would destroy the dam.

>>33536382
>Oppenheimer shows up.
he ded.

>>33544821
>the effect of pic related.

Also cucks them out of """"their""""" sea. Watching them sperg out like aspie fucks is also a huge plus.

>Japan getting screwed with the F-35

Kek

>it's another f-2

Double Kek.

I was talking about the F-35Bs forward deployed, but fuck your butthurt brings ups a great point.

What else? Ahhh yes. thaad is still going to South Korea, as much as you tried to prevent it. I thought they were your """""vassels""""?

>>33544896
>>33544889
>>33544850

Russian whores have been selling themselves to rich Chinese for the past decade already.

Just go to r/asianmasculinity

>>33545021
Russian whores have been selling themselves to everyone.

>>33545003
China never left the SCS, no matter how much you sail by their islands.

And China put enough pressue on SK that their President was cucked out of her office and the most likely successor is a pro-chinese communist.

>>33545041
>China never left the SCS, no matter how much you sail by their islands.

I would hope not. Their reactions are top fucking tier.

They even gave us nice islands to strike in a limited conflict. Thanks!

>China being responsible for SKs president

Hahahahahah

>next one being a commie

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

And yet, THAAD will still be there.

>>33544168
Plus this is probably someone's fetish.
Correction, it is certainly someone's fetish.

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>>33545083
Yeah, I also enjoy seeing their island bases grow in size and weaponry. That's a top-tier reaction indeed. So much, that the Philippines are changing the camp and all other claimants have to bow down.

>>33545148
>Yeah, I also enjoy seeing their island bases grow in size and weaponry.

Me too. Such legally ambiguous targets are too juicy to pass up.

>So much, that the Philippines are changing the camp

Did they remove their MDA with America? No? Then they are having their cake and eating it too with China. China is getting played hard

>>33545192
>Such legally ambiguous targets are too juicy to pass up.

There may be no paperwork but shooting some other nation's military in bumfuck nowhere island is a recipe for conflict.

Stop being delusional anon.

>>33545192
>Me too. Such legally ambiguous targets are too juicy to pass up.

Did I miss something? Did the US already conduct any strikes on them? Kek, America is even too afraid to "blockade" them as promised before. Wake me up when you actually do something.

>Did they remove their MDA with America? No? Then they are having their cake and eating it too with China. China is getting played hard

No need for that.
China will soon send their Coast Guard ships close to Philippine waters on the invitation of Duterte:

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2067243/china-likely-agree-dutertes-request-anti-piracy-patrols

>Duterte said earlier in a speech to newly promoted Filipino generals that he had asked China to “patrol the international waters without necessarily intruding into the territorial waters of countries” in the southern waters of the island country in response to abducting sailors and attacking vessels in waters off the southern Philippines.

This will strengthen China's foothold in the SCS further and give legitimacy for continued Chinese patrols in the waters of other states. Great reaction.

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>>33545148
Subi-Island Fortress is best Island Fortress.

>>33545148
The main problem I see with these is that if your runways gets cratered and your facilities get rekt, you have no capability to fix them without multiple massive cargo ships. You lack even dirt to fill holes with.

>>33545290
Cratered airfields are a problem for even land-based airfields. You usually never repair them with dirt, but with a special concrete mixture that can harden quickly.

But of course, they will be vulnerable in an all-out war. But so are other fixed targets.

>>33545254
>America promised to blockade them

Hahahahahaha.

>No need for that.

No need at all when duterte is playing the Chinese!

>m...muh Coast Guard!!

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/01/05/1659790/golez-us-mulling-coast-guard-deployment-scs?nomobile=1

>>33544648
They would notice, but they wouldn't do anything about it.

>>33536271
Not necessary, this is why we have bunker busters.

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>>33545344
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-congress-tillerson-china-idUSKBN14V2KZ

>Tillerson says China should be barred from South China Sea islands

Still waiting for this to happen.

>>33545368
No, bunkers are why we have bunker busters. It just turns out dams mimic bunkers in a lot of ways.

>>33545381
>Rando congressman=america

Hahahahaha, oh Chinese posters are just precious

>>33545410

So, you say that American politicians shouldnt be taken seriously? Well, nothing the US does ever should be taken seriously.

The new red line in Syria, for example, will also be ignored. Kek.

America is so weak and laughable. How can you ever recover.

>>33545446
>one guy = America

Hahahahhahaha, like I said chinese posters just can't comprehend freedom.

It's OK, you will keep responding but never understand.

I will keep laughing at Chinese cucks speaking in broken engrish to "please reave now" over and over again.

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>>33545468

I understand your nation and "freedom" fairly well. All I see is:

>Lots of talk but no Action = America

TOP KEK

>>33545489
>lots of talk but no action

Reminds me of radio transcripts in the scs. All China does is talk and talk but, barring their lack of piloting ability (Asian drivers, lel) nothing happens.

I also enjoy you post proof of US exploitation of China!

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>>33545532
Well, China's actions are plenty: Buildup of new bases and diplomatic advances to crush any unified front of the claimants against her by using bilateral talks instead of US-supported multilateral courts:

http://www.janes.com/article/69330/beijing-manila-to-discuss-south-china-sea-issues-in-may


Compared to that... What did the US win? Nothing:
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/pivot-to-the-pacific-is-over-state-official-says
>'Pivot to the Pacific' is over, senior U.S. diplomat says

Glorious China won. Get over it.

>>33545660
>China is building useless bases so they can howl at the US like monkeys as they pass

Real effective. Still won't do shit though, like you said, all talk.

>>'Pivot to the Pacific' is over, senior U.S. diplomat says

>he didn't even read the article.

What China won is increased US defense funding to its partners in the SEA and a bigger US budget.

>Just last September, Carter spoke of launching a new phase of the "rebalance," one that would involve increasing spending in two key areas — funding for the U.S. Coast Guard and increasing Foreign Military Financing for the 10 nations that form the ASEAN security collective.

Hahahahahaha

>>33545731
Wow. Sure will drive out China from the SCS.

Kek.

America. Please do something, or else everyone is going to laugh at your incompetence.

>>33540317
lol whose tech are they stealing to build it

the last original idea the slopes had was gunpowder and they still didnt know what to do with it

its time for another opium war so china is reminded of its place.

>>33545887
>drive China out of the scs

Hahhahahahah, again showing a base ignorance of US policy.

On a personal note, why? It's so fun to place b-52s in your ADIZ with no response..

i guess it's possible your made in China radars never saw them though!

>>33545935
The best part is they said defense station in LEO.

Stations are manned.

Maybe one day I will be the first person to kill a chinkanaut with an SM-3....

>>33545952
In what world do you live?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/22/politics/china-us-aircraft-warned/

>Chinese officials warned US bomber during 'routine' East China Sea flyover

Your B-1 just skirted the ECS ADIZ (because you are cowards) and they were already warned. China's surveillance capabilities are top notch.

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>>33545983
>America is proud that they can destroy sats in LEO

China can already destroy sats at GSO. Your GPS is not secure anymore.

No US ASAT can reach GSO altitudes. China can.

Copy this.

>>33536696
100%

This is what i was thinking. Just a blast large enough to create an irreversible domino effect, under the pressure of the water. Thing would come crashing down

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>>33536271
Send in these guys.

>>33546062
>talking about B-52 incident
>in massive butthurt changes the subject to B-1

Hahahahahahhahaha

>China's surveillance capabilities are top notch.

nytimes.com/2013/11/27/world/asia/us-flies-b-52s-into-chinas-expanded-air-defense-zone.html

>>There was no immediate Chinese response to the flights

>"""""""""TOP NOTCH""""""""""

NOT ONE, BUT TWO B-52s!

Chinese adiz, blind and cucked.

>>33546081
>China can put a payload on a (in the west) commercial rocket and hit a non moving stationary target in gso!

Wow, in other words you can reach gso! What an achievement!

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>>33546147
Which commercial space rocket uses solid-fuel, a military TEL and is cold-launched?

>>33546123
B-52 skirted the Chinese ADIZ. There was no immediate danger from them.

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I'm looking for sounds and songs from/about WW2 for a project. I'm focusing on the Eastern Front, and I'll be using songs from the period, songs written later in movies or games, stuff like that.

I'll also be using sounds like gunfire for combat, screams for injuries, explosions, planes flying overhead, and other ambient and specific sounds.

The easiest way to find sounds and songs would be to just link from YouTube. I can edit anything with good clear audio and cut it down so I have the sounds I want.

>>33546301
>B-52 skirted the Chinese ADIZ.

Nope, flew THROUGH the airspace, directly over the islands.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303281504579221993719005178

Cucked. And. Blind.

>>33546358
shit, I meant this to be a separate thread. Plz ignore. Or don't, I don't give a fuck

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>>33546361
Wow, so daring.

And no, it never flew over the islands.

Maybe next time, America will dare to fly 100km close to the Diaoyu Islands?

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>>33536842
Castle Bravo killed some japs who were just fishing nearby due to the radiation sickness from the coral dust that sprinkled on them.

>mfw once again some Japs die from nukes, years after WWII

>>33546584
>activated my trap card

That's clearly not just skirting.

BTFO. Blind and cucked.

>>33546584
What happens if the US lands Marines on one of these legally ambiguous artificial islands in the SCS?
What do you think the Chinese would do?

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>>33546781
That's most definitely cowardly dipping your feet into the area, because you know that going any further will make it into a meat-grinder.

>>33546861
China doesnt let them even come ashore. They have weapons for a reason.

>>33546930
>make it all the way though the ADIZ to the center than leave, right off China's shore.

>"""""dipping your feet"""""

No radio call. No escort. nothing.

Cucked. And. Blind.

>>33546930
>shore based naval gun

It's 1944?

furthermore, based on history they will ask the marines to please leave quickly while meowing at them.

>>33544780

Which ones? Any modern boosted/variable yield weapons only use fusion to control the neutron flux for fission. W88s and B83s definitely get most of their yield from fission.

>>33540133
This was hard to do. Modern munitions are self-propelled so you don't need to rely on gravity and bouncing anymore

>>33543653
>Comparing Chinese economy to Brazil and Mexico
>Comparing a pile of shit to a pile of shit
>Both of these piles are indeed shit.

>>33543662
>which has a very good CEP for targeting moving ships.

Not really. Assuming a 150 meter CEP, it has a 0.06% chance of hitting a ship moving at 30 knots on a straight course.

>>33536271
From what I hear seismic activity generated from stacking up all that weight directly on top of a fault line could do it.

Thing might destroy itself.

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>>33546989
>>shore based naval gun
Eh, still totally viable to defend narrow inlets between islands, especially when hooked up to a modern radar fire control system

>>33547266
>Not really. Assuming a 150 meter CEP, it has a 0.06% chance of hitting a ship moving at 30 knots on a straight course.
You're applying the CEP of the normal anti-fixed-installation variant to the unpublished CEP of a MARV anti-ship variant that might not even exist. DF-21D exists, an equivalent DF-26 version is pure speculation at this point.

>>33546930
>China doesnt let them even come ashore.
So China attacks US Marines in international waters from artificial islands with no legal status?

Its like you want China to lose.

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>>33544980

he's not dead, he just doesnt use his trip anymore because 4channers ruin every good thing on this site with meme faggotry. I'd reckon the reply on this thread, that is sourced, nuanced, and meme free, is Oppenheimer, posting from the anonymous shadows.

>we miss you come back

there are smaller dams before the three gorges dam you could blow up that would cause it too fail.

>>33547341
>You're applying the CEP of the normal anti-fixed-installation variant to the unpublished CEP of a MARV anti-ship variant that might not even exist

Assuming that it does exist, I think it would be reasonable to assume that it has a similar CEP. If a variant has a smaller CEP, it would make sense to upgrade all variants with the same magic pixie dust that gives the smaller CEP.

I was also using the lower end of the CEP range, which is listed as being 150-450 meters. Odds are, the AS variant is included in the published CEP range. If it exists.

>>33540317
They can probably get a good number of optical and radar imaging spy satellites, and maybe ELINT satellites, but it would take weeks and getting the early warning satellites, comms satellites and GPS satellites would be impossible within a useful timeframe.

>>33544253
>The fact remains that the majority of the energy in a modern thermonuclear device comes from nuclear fusion.
Not actually true. Fusion produces a strong neutron flux, which CAN be simply released to produce a strong wave of radiation (this is how a "neutron bomb" works), but more typically, thermonuclear bombs have a uranium jacket which catches this wave of fast neutrons and uses them to cause a MUCH stronger FISSION reaction, where most of the energy comes from.

>>33544915
Is...is that B-2 dive-bombing?

>>33544464
>robot alligator
There should be a treaty, no nation desires to weird such power

>>33545410
Tillerson is our secretary of state dude...

>>33539568
And what of the airborne fallout?

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>>33543841
Fucking China, man


Even the cranes have workshops built on them.

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>>33540580
>Modern thermonuclear weapons get most of their explosive energy from fission (as did those obsolete nukes you're claiming these were much cleaner than), which is where all the radioactive fallout comes from. We could have cleaner bombs that used fusion, but it would greatly reduce explosive yield, so fuck that.
>We could have cleaner bombs that used fusion, but it would greatly reduce explosive yield
>fusion
>reduce yeild

>>33536271
>What sort of nuclear weapon(s) would it take to destroy the Three Gorges Dam in the event of China going to war with the US, India, or Russia?
Something stupidly low yield, like 50 tons.
But to find something that anemic you would need to go back to 1945.

>>33539616
>physics doesn't care what you believe
Well then fuck physics and fuck you, you salty little prick.

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>>33543301
When America finally implodes in race war our military will be too busy to stop them. That's when they'll make their move, seizing the SCS and taking back Taiwan. We won't be able to stop them without nukes and we won't start a nuclear war with China in the middle of a civil war.

Hopefully anyway. It seemed like the Jews/deep state were trying to start WW3 with Russia during the election. Anything might happen. America is not a coherent country.

>>33554275
>Taiwan
I think you mean Chinese Taipei.

>>33554275
>It seemed like the Jews/deep state were trying to start WW3 with Russia during the election
They are literally doing this right now, the sarin gas attack was a false flag to push Trump into direct conflict with Assad and as a result, Russia.

>>33540133
>"operation chastise"
Cool story bro, to bad it was a complete and utter failure just like your life.

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>>33544012
Thanks.

>>33554275
>when America finally implodes

Will be far after the population crisis hits China and it implodes and balkanizes.....yet again.

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>>33555592
America might blow up this year dude. Are you even paying attention

>>33555770

>says increasingly nervous man for the 1600th hundred time

>>33536730
haha cute dog :)

>>33546121
Pic from greece, amirite?... God im such a nerd when it comes to stuff like that

>>33540150

Nigga you what?

>>33544423
China literally did this exact thing to their citizens during WW2.

The 1938 Yellow River flood (Chinese: 花园口决堤事件; pinyin: huāyuán kǒu juédī shìjiàn, literally "Huayuankou embankment breach incident") was a flood created by the Nationalist Government in central China during the early stage of the Second Sino-Japanese War in an attempt to halt the rapid advance of Japanese forces. It has been called the "largest act of environmental warfare in history."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood

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>>33555804
The average age of all empires throughout history is approx 250 years. We're getting close to that cutoff. It could happen at any time.

Unless you think we're wiser than everyone else who ever existed in history. In that case don't worry about our civilization, we'll be fine probably.

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>>33546861
>modern day Wake Island

>>33548672
t. Oppenheimer

>>33556399
>>33556399
250 years after peak.

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>>33543841

>its made of chinesium

>>33544623

Do tell more, and pics would be nice.

How would someone not you hypothetically as an intellectual exercise break the Tabqa dam in Syria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabqa_Dam

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8574657,38.5568082,604m/data=!3m1!1e3

It really needs to go.

>>33545148
I'd hate to ride out a hurricane there.

Divine Wind, anyone?

>>33545277
Yes! I zoomed on Google Earth and fapped. Thank you.

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>>33556646
This is you. Read more, tard.

USA is in decline and likely on the brink of total collapse. This is an inevitable historical process. We need a spiritual and political revolution. We can become something greater, or something lesser, but the status quo is dying. The choice is ours. We must git gud or die. America as we've known it is dead. Time for something new.

>>33536271
The dam itself wouldn't be destroyed, because that would be downright inhumane. The substations would be flattened by conventional weapons.

>>33536704
>government emergency response services would be broken from the strain.
I don't believe their government would make that much effort in the middle of a war if it would mean being a drain to the war effort.

Chinks are very specialized insects that would not care about 10 million dead as long as mainland is protected.

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Anything can happen. Neither America, Russia,the EU,or China are rational actors. There are too many strings being pulled in all sorts of directions.

We need national socialism. We need to create coherent nation states with leaders who are directly responsible to their people. This shit right now is a mess.

>>33536271
IIRC, you'd get better results from hitting the water just behind the dam with the incompressibility of water and all. Just let it sink like a depth charge.

>>33538891
>I find this hard to believe
The primary source of fallout would be from kicking up the dust by repeatedly nuking hardened targets in giant saturated fields.

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>>33545277
My invasion sense is tingling

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>>33540708
>implying bombers from the US wouldn't fly over the north pole to wreck China

bet you didn't think of that faggot

>>33557973
I know the exact essay you are quoting. It was 250 years after empires peak, not since the country's inception.

you sir, need to actually read Glubbs essay.

The rest of your post is opinionated trash.

>>33540396
Not quite so easy.

Those guns are on a nice and flat plain with unobscured sitelines all around. At the dam area the terrain will greatly decrease the effective engagement range.

>>33536271
just a few minuteman warheads or dropping a trident on it would kill that motherfucker.
while it's a son of a bitch of a dam, nukes are, well, nukes.

>>33557795
>I'd hate to ride out a hurricane there.
It's typhoon territory. You'd assume they built appropriately.

It's all being done by the Hainan based naval group and they're in the same typhoon-prone area.

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>>33556399
>The average age of all empires throughout history is approx 250 years.

... nice bait.

As pic related, Vladimir would like a word with you.

The russian state started to build up nearly 5 centuries ago and most of its current territories have been held since more than 3 centuries.
Sure, there was the soviet experiment but that was basically a regime change rather than the empire being conquered.

Most chinese empires, having had dynasties lasting 3 to 4 centuries, are laughing at your comment.

The Roman Empire itself lasted 500 years in the West alone and stretched to 14 centuries in the East. If we consider the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire to be the same state (which they are in many respects), then it goes past 2000 years.
Even the Roman Republic alone, with its dozen of client states, lasted more than 500 years.

The Parthian Empire covered most of today's Iran and Irak, along with many other smaller regions in the Middle East, and this for 400 years, keeping Rome in check.

There are many others, some famous, some far less known and most forgotten to the dust of History.

But still, even if you failed to notice (or acknowledge) the big ones above... how could you miss the Spanish Empire ?
It lasted for nearly 4 centuries and engulfed more than half of the Americas !!
Even if we consider it as dying in 1800, it still lasted another century after that, slowly losing ground but enduring until 1898, when the USA gave it the last kick needed to make it drop out of the continent.
And even after that, it maintained colonies in Africa for the best part of the 20th century.

The British Empire started at the end of the 17th century and established itself as the biggest empire ever created.
From the first settlements in Canada to the end of WW2, there was 345 years... and it then lasted another few decades as the colonies slowly slipped away.
Most of these colonies still maintain extensive links with the crown through the Commonwealth.