Hey /k anyone here do competition shooting, specifically pistol

>>33520603
1911

>>33520603
USP's, even competition minded ones like the USP elite and expert, aren't very popular comp guns due to their inability to accessorize (in comparison to glock's, 1911's, and CZ's), price, and popularity. USP's are generally more popular as utilitarian/duty guns, and if you want to compete with one, you would be better off finding a range than hosts defensive pistol league matches or something similar. Its going to be kind of a drive for you, but if you ever find yourself near Frostproof FL, Universal Shooting Academy hosts DPL matches at the end of every month. Its a good way to shoot your CCW or duty gun without getting BTFO'd by some dude with a CZ open class gun with one of those polyester shirts with every manufacturer's logo on them.

>>33520693
So like 9mm Glock would be best and I'll keep that in mind about Frostproof

>>33520603
I used to shoot a USP .40 in USPSA, it works well but like >>33520693
Said not many aftermarket options. I use a Glock 35 now that I have converted to 9mm. Glocks are a great entrance mid level competition guns because of the ease of maintenance and aftermarket options. With a gun chambered in .40 you can get 9mm parts for it allowing you to jump in and out of Major/minor classes

>>33520693
The only accessories you need is a trigger and sights.

>>33520794
I wouldn't say its the "best", glocks just have retard levels of aftermarket support. You could arguably take a glock 19 and turn it into a Roland Special, or take a 17 or 34 and turn them into something that would eclipse or exceed the capabilities of a competition USP. You have to remember, the USP is a relatively old pistol, which has a strong, yet relatively small following. HK's improvements in handguns came in the form of new handguns such as the P2000, P30, and VP9, whereas the Glock generational advancements are just that: improvements over the same basic design.

If you're set on a gun for purely competition fun, then yes, glocks, 1911's and CZ's are going to take you farther than a USP as far as options go. That being said, if you just happen to love HK's and the USP, then go for it. Just realize that its going to be more expensive to modify and with less aftermarket to choose from.

>>33520840
Is 9mm and .40 like the standard caliber?
>>33520908
I have a 19 already but it's stock so maybe I'll take some of the money I was saving for another pistol and spend it on upgrading

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>>33520896
You don't get to tell the consumer what changes to his gun he's limited to make, faggot. If OP wants a go full retard and make a RS out of his USP like pic related he can. Its just going to cost a lot more than what would comparable to more common handguns.

>>33520953
>You don't get to tell the consumer what changes to his gun he's limited to make, faggot.
>> limited to make

Now where did I do that? I just simply told OP he doesn't NEED to go crazy. You are the faggot who doesn't like having his contrived and unnecessary bullshit smashed down.

>>33520937
Roy from Weapon Outfitters wrote some good articles of the merits of turning a G19 into "a welfare open gun" with an RMR and compensator. They're not the prettiest thing to look at, but in terms of putting rounds on target quickly, they're hard to beat. This is most evident when handed to inexperienced shooters.

Obviously all the modifications in the world cant replace practice, but you should read some about these guns before spending money. You also need to figure out what kind of competitions you're going to be doing, as each league will have different rules on what you can have in or on the gun. One of the reasons why I like the Universal Shooting Academy's rules for DPL is that each shooter is grouped based on carry method, rather than the gun.

>>33520953
That's sexy af, I'll look into doing something like that but I feel like it's just Gonna be a pain in the ass
>>33521011
I think your reply came off as an asshole because the wording just like >>33520642

>>33521011
>Now where did I do that?

Did you even read your post?
>>33520896
>>33520896
>>33520896

This implies that other modifications, such as those done to recoil springs, grips, weight reduction/weight addition modifications are superfluous.

Again, OP didn't state what kind of competing he wants to do, and therefore I'm trying to guide him to a gun that can offer the most versatility. If guy wants to take his g19 with just a trigger and sight swap and shoot against guys with raced out g34's and 2011's he's going to get his shit pushed in.

This is the last (you) I'm giving you.

>>33521047
I'll have to find that article, any websites or books I can read on the different variations of competitions or is it just learnt from experience?

>>33520603
You can always join us in DOTM for some less formal friendly comp stuff
See:
>>33512329

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This is what you do
>disregard USP
>acquire P30L
>convert to light LEM
>stomp on nerds that have souped up Glocks, Tangfoglios and 1911s

>>33521227
If you follow the Weapon Outfitters Instagram page, he posts a lot of blog shit about modifying the G19 on there, and sometimes links to helpful websites confirming his statements. Other than that, some really great shooters like Mike Seeklander, JJ Ricaza, Grandpa Jerry, all have some kind of web presence whether it be YouTube or social media, that can offer good shooting tips. From there, you can apply these tips and learn for yourself through competition. Again, I shill for the DPL stuff because involves more CCW type stuff and I get to use the shit I carry everyday. Its a good place to start and some of the people that I started doing it with have graduated to building or buying race guns and now compete in the more formal leagues.

TL;DR, find a competition that will cater to what guns you already have, and if you like it enough to compete more seriously, get a serious comp. gun then.

>>33521225
>Did you even read your post?

Yes, where did I tell OP what he could and couldn't do. Please show me.

>This implies that other modifications, such as those done to recoil springs, grips, weight reduction/weight addition modifications are superfluous.

They are.

It's not a soldiers gun

>>33521303
Okay, thanks for all the information

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>>33521271
ugot taste anon

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>>33521510
for fucks sake

stop trying to make me buy a p30. I'm trying to stick to one gun this year.

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>>33521827
I'm sorry dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

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>>33521888
It's calling to you, why won't you answer?

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>>33521888
>we can be together forever

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>>33521888
>I am yours and you are mine

>>33520603
Glock would be a good beginner gun. Keep in mind, I think wih DA/SA guns, you may be required to start on DA, so that will slow you down. If you go HK, LEM would be best or go single action only. I hear CZs are also popular.

Most gun champions shoot a version 2011s in 9mm or .40 that cost thousands of dollars though. If you want to be highly competitive, be prepared to go that route eventually. In the end, it's the shooter not the gun, but I'm just telling you what the facts are.

>>33522110
Almost all 2011's are chambered in .38 Super for the compensator performance.

>>33520603
Glock 17 or 34 is your best bet.

You are most likely never going to shoot anything but production class.

>>33521354
>not a soldiers gun!

>>33522062
>buy $1000 gun
>throw it on rocks and in puddles
>has a shitty holster that makes the slide look like shit
>has spent more time in a dirty puddle than on the range

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>>33523240
Are you suggesting I shouldn't use muh HKs sir?

>not considering wear from use as a point of ride like it should be

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>>33523240
And I use them anon, I use them as much as I can afford to! :)

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>>33523240
And my holsters are top shelf m8

>>33523670
Got any hk 45?

>>33525496

Trying to decide is I want a P30L LEM 40 or an HK45 next, maybe neither and just more ammo.

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>>33522048
>>33523631
>P30L, USP45 Tacticool, and SP5k/Z-5RS all coming up on my list
Muh wallet, it hurts.

>>33525575
Why the fuck would you buy an LEM 40? .

>>33525625
Can't fault you for taste sir, may the credit gods have mercy on your soul.

Honestly my next required purchase is an aftermarket P30L threaded 5" bbl (or actually 2 of 'em) - but they are literally unobtainium for the last year straight.

>>33525668
Because I like 40, despite current groupthink it's hot and high energy in an efficient package, does everything right, even the ball rounds are naturally truncated, quite the contender round

>>33525727
Doesn't do anything +p won't. I'm more concerned about your choice of LEM. Is there something wrong with the P30 hammer? How is it compared to USP?

>>33525800
LEM is the best trigger system ever designed for defense/fighting pistols. Rather than crudely attempt to articulate the strengths and advantages, I'll let the pros do it for me.
I'm not as articulate or experienced.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/8549

Not interested in caliber wars but physics is measurable and real data pool, just because gunfights are one off, unique and dynamic to the point of being anecdotal doesn't mean deeper, wider crush cavities with more tissue displacement isn't a measurable advantage. If you read the FBI report with some context and clarity they basically admit to this. Yes shot placement is still king, yes I carry 9x19, not trying to fight. But a P30L LEM 40 with some heavy for caliber loads is really appealing to fight the wave of diabetic fatty criminals the country is currently being flooded with.

>>33525668
>>33525939

Just for posterity - If I got a HK45 it would be LEM too, I omitted that in the previous response

>>33525939
LEM sucks and you sound mentally ill.

>>33525995
10/10 post - I'm impressed with your reasoning

>>33525995
t. obese shut in

>>33526047
>being this butthurt about owning LEM
Cry more.

>>33523652
Don't strain yourself or anything. 5 yards is a pretty tough shot. You're gonna need that long barrel to help you at that distance.

>>33526161
bill drills are traditionally done at 7 yards and I'm not creative enough to tamper with established drills ;)

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>>33526161
But it's also fun to try new things - thanks to the DOTM thread and a/k/ guys I've been messing around at the 50 yard line, you should join us in our shenanigans!

The USP double spring "recoil reduction" system makes the gun slower for real competition shooting. Follow up shots take too long. Get something 1911 or CZ75 based.

>>33520603
If you want to get into IDPA the Glock 34 is by far the most popular gun in that sport. I don't know about the other competition types, but I'd be really surprised if the G34 didn't have a commanding presence in all the other non-1911 oriented competitions.

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>>33521271
>disregard USP
DELETE THIS

>>33521510
You too, USP did nothing wrong!

>>33528382

Where do you get that magazine anon, the elephant foot is fucking ugly.

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>>33520603
Did someone say LEM?

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>>33529078
The one in the gun? Or the one laying next to it?

The one laying out is a standard 12 round HK mag, the one in the gun is a custom 16 round capacity job I made myself

>>33521271
>no safety
No thanks I'll stick with a USP

>>33529154

I apologize, I confuse it for a different gun.

>>33529174
V1 for life

>>33529180
Oh? What did you think it was?

>>33529095
Lem is gay. bobbed hammer is like getting your dick chopped. V1 is more masculine. DA pull ain't shit if you practice.

>>33529195

hk45c

Company says they are experimenting on larger magazine extensions but I doubt i'll see them anytime soon. Hoping for at least a 12 round mag that doesn't look like complete shit.

>>33529203
Check here

http://taylorfreelance.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=13&zenid=69kdmpn68atjae5bthi9jqtkr5

>>33529174
Lol they make safeties for P30s.

>>33529201
I can shoot DA just fine, but why do that when I can have the superior LEM?

>tfw your P30 LEMs are the extra light version IE: V1

muh guns got LEM AND V1 in their name, what now fags

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>>33528382
>You too, USP did nothing wrong!

Yes it did, it looks too sexy

But I still love muh P30L LEM

>>33529530
I am chronically buttmad about the USP45 not having a jetfunnel kit.

>>33529639
That's a crime against humanity I tell ya what

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How is the P226 as a comp gun? I had my eyes on one of them next, I really like my P320C. What are some basics to practice for going into comp or wanting to learn the fundamentals? Just that? Breathing, trigger control, grip, etc? Shooting speed? Grouping?

>>33529773
I used a 228 in my first steel challenge match and took 3rd. It will do fine.

What you train depends on what comp you're going to but fundamentals are always applicable

>>33529639
You and me both. Never understood that.

>>33529830
Not sure what I'm interested in quite yet, desu. I was thinking maybe something along the lines of precision. I'm not really the run and gun type. I have an SoF cousin I was going to visit this summer and try to learn as much as possible.

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>>33529773
>How is the P226 as a comp gun?

No lie, I often want to take my German 226 to competition. The thought of potentially schooling people with a stock old school 226 gets me hard.

>>33529868
The feeling of beating an open division chump with a center limited is like being a super hero. Do it.

>>33529856
There is no god, it's my conclusion.
I just made my own extended magazines.