How would a modern day special forces operator fare if he was

>>33511703
Against other humans? Probably pretty well, seeing as he'd likely be appreciably larger. He'd be the equivalent of a super heavyweight ufc fighter.

>>33511703
better than the average slave

>>33511718
Average height of a gladiator was 5'7", so they'd stomp in the Coliseum

>>33511703
poorly
>>33511718
professional gladiators were just that, professionals and experts at fucking people up hand to hand
SOF guys are hardcore these days, and inarguably in better shape, but they do a lot of stuff that is not fucking people up hand to hand, so they're obviously not going to be as proficient at it as someone who does it all day every day

>>33511718

Special forces don't train in sword fighting anon

>>33511755
>height
>mattering in a sword fight
A modern SF guy with zero sword training would be butchered. Gladiators trained for years.

It's like saying some 6'6" cyclist could beat McGregor just by being taller. Fucking retards.

>>33512060
You do realize 99% of Arena events were slave-on-slave or slave-on-animal, right?

Gladiators were fucking expensive, when the Senate or the crowd demanded a lot of bodies they weren't generally used.

>>33511703
Well the pros are that they're in fantastic physical shape and probably know at least a little hand to hand.
Cons are that they likely have no clue on how to use any sort of medieval weaponry much less fight against multiple experienced opponents using such.

>>33512060
height matters alot are you dumb?

>>33512079
That's a bit disingenuous. Gladiators were not nearly that rare. Even slaves were trained in advance so it made for good show.

Also horse racing was at least tenfold more popular than any combat sport.

>>33512101
Training matters a lot more. Otherwise Europe wouldn't have been wrecked so hard by a bunch of 5' manlets.

Height is pretty overrated.

ITT: people who don't understand gladiator games

Very few people in gladiator fights were actual gladiators. Gladiators were very experienced. They rarely fought each other because that would be a waste of good slaves. Gladiators fought just regular slaves that the Romans dumped in by the dozen. They were basically just given a sword (often times not) and thrust into the arena where they would be slaughtered en masse.

So, you need to ask the right question. How would he fare against the other myriad of slaves thrown in there? Probably pretty well, as they both probably have about the same amount of knowledge of sword fighting. However, the inexperienced cannon fodder slaves aren't your enemies in most types of gladiator fights. The gladiators are. And even the most badass soldier of this century would be promptly fucked up by one.

But anyways actual fights between humans were relatively uncommon. Most events in the arenas were against animals, and sometimes executions.

>>33512118
Actual professional gladiators did in fact make up about 1% of all people who were forced or expected to fight in the arena. The vast majority were literally fresh-off-the-streets slaves, and the vast majority of them were expected to die hilariously quickly vs. usually wild animals (especially during the pre-Christian Rome when they threw the Christians to the "lions" pretty much daily). But that score also included free soldiers doing it for money, and yes slaves that received SOME training.
>yfw supposedly they tied 400 slaves to rings in the floor then flooded the place just to watch them drown helplessly

Fights made up about 15% of all activities in the arena, fights where someone was expected to die made up about 10% of those (I'm including shit like wrestling and their version of boxing under fights). They also held plays, (their version of) opera, foot races, horse races, cock fights, dog fights, full-blown circuses, gambling, porn productions, and basically any other form of event that required 2 people to interact there.

>>33511703
>sfo survives
>using his advanced knowledge of physics, he escapes from coliseum slavery and starts collecting materials to build a cast iron gun
>he also builds a rudimentary silencer and magazine
>swims through the aquaducts with his gun and assassinates caeser
>reveals the power of guns to the height of roman civilization and propels humanity ahead several hundred years in warfare
>romans take over the world
>donald trump becomes caeser

it's amazing how history doesn't change despite so many things happening

>>33511703

he'd be fucked

https://www.outsideonline.com/1923776/how-far-fitness-has-fallen

>>33512060
Height is a massive advantage in swordfighting.
Height = reach
Fucking retard

>>33512390

that is like saying some random untrained tall person can beat floyd mayweather in a boxing match

>>33511703
Against slaves? Probably good, he's got much better health than them and can handle a weapon.
Against gladiators? Not great, they're almost as healthy and trained for that shit, while he is trained to shoot people mostly

>>33512405
in a fight to the death where there are no rules, yeah easily

>>33511703
Given a sword but no training? The SOF guy is fucked, the superior size and condition gives advantage to the operator if he receives equal training though.

>>33512390
>Height = reach
That's far too simplistic. Yes it's a benefit but not a guaranteed victory for just showing up and being taller.

>>33512377
>reads article
wow so ancient people had the bone density of college runners?
they certainly convinced me of their premise
>>33512436
>there are people who actually believe this

Aren't a lot of SOF small guys?

>>33512405
Pretty easy when your parry makes your opponent stagger.

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>>33512623
Yes

I guess OP defers to Hollywood for his info.

>>33512060
gimmie yer belt

>>33512605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig

>>33512780
>sparring is a real fight
Are you trying to prove something?

>>33512780
Now introduce swords. First to shank.

>>33512780
I know that it sounds like I'm defending manlets, but you're aware that that wasn't a real fight, right? Both are clearly pulling their punches and just practicing their moves.

>>33512780
Not that anon but what is this video supposed to prove?..

>>33512780
>worlds strongest man finalist =/= some random untrained tall person

>>33512390
Height doesn't matter when the other guy knows how to fight and you don't

Physicality is one of the least important factors in a fight with weapons.

Being really fit helps, but knowledge is key

>>33512780
Mcgregor's awesome to watch.

>>33512780
>>33512436
>>33512390
>>33512101
lanklets in full damage control

>>33512194
>porn productions
>tfw you will never head down to the arena to watch some strapping, fresh off the boat Nubian engage with three young and terrified girls from the Orient
Why even live.

>>33512953
found the manlet

how's the weather down there, little boy?

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>>33512953
>>33512982
I hate these stupid dick measuring threads.

>>33511703
SF's strengths over grunts are in their mastery of their varying tightly specified specialized roles, but otherwise they're still really not a different animal from any other guy or grunt.
On gladiator arena you're pitted against maybe some sorry runts but also melee specialists beaten to shape by a hard, hard life.
I guess SF guy'd survive for some while, but likely fall within the same day he'd been introduced.

>>33512977
Just make sure you go on the right day so you don't get to see some strapping, fresh off the boat Nubian be engaged by three hairy Visigoth men and their horses.

>>33511763
This

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>>33511763
I concur

In hand to hand, especially in ancient times, being fuckhuge is absolutely an advantage

Training takes precedent, of course, but if you have two people who do nothing but murder people with their bare hands all the time and are more or less equally skilled, the larger, stronger one is going to win
9 times out of 10, if you can pick up and throw your opponent, you're probably going to win the fist fight

>>33512060

This.

Gladiators were expensive and generally incredibly well trained. Slaves and prisoners sentenced to damnatio ad gladium were just meat to be slaughtered. But the guys doing the killing were top notch fighters. I don't care how big or rough you are. If you're fighting a guy who had been trained with swords since his early teens and your skill set involves shooting people, if you don't have a gun you're probably going to die. You might be hard to hit and you might even get a lick or two in on him but in the end, the guy with the training is going to take you out.

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>>33512390
you are wrong
look at this diagram

>>33512134
Everyone were 5' manlets back then. People are a lot taller now than they used to be, thanks to our much more stable diets.

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>>33513467

Bullshit. The skeleton of a gladiator was found in the ruins of Pompeii. He was conspicuous because he was something like 5'2" which was unusually short for the time. He also had extensive healed injuries and signs of heavy sword training. Probably he was a gladiator who was employed as a bodyguard and left to watch a residence.

Whatever the circumstance, he had been fighting with and against swords for a long, long time and was a really short little bastard. Even for first century A.D. Italy.

> tfw some 5'2" apeshit crazy Gaul comes at your ass like the Tasmanian Devil

>>33512390
"Reach" isn't the god-like qualifier you assume it is. Getting inside someone's guard is infinitely more effective than just flailing with your arms outstretched and hoping they step into your swing.

Why do you think most man-to-man combat disciplines both modern and historical involve creating an opening and grappling your opponent? It's because reach doesn't mean shit if you're right in their face.

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>>33513337
>Training takes precedent, of course, but if you have two people who do nothing but murder people with their bare hands all the time and are more or less equally skilled, the larger, stronger one is going to win
In general you're right, but special forces don't spend that much time on hand to hand or melee weapons. They're better than the average person, but they'd get messed up by a specialist.

>>33512605
>they certainly convinced me of their premise

i don't think scientists are trying to convince people on a mongolian throat-singing board

there is an ongoing field of anthropological research trending towards ancient humans being much stronger and faster than modern humans. the hypothesis is not universally accepted but there is plenty of evidence backing it.

>>33513824

Up until the advent of agriculture and sedentary societies, they generally were. Archaic homo sapiens like Homo sapiens idaltu were scary as fuck. Ever seen Shaka Zulu? The guy who played Shaka was named Henry Cele. That's what idaltu looked like. About 6'4", strong and scary as fuck. As we got better at advanced tool use, manipulating out environment and generally just domesticating ourselves, we lost those features. Once we started using agriculture, being huge fuckers who could bitchslap lions actually worked against us because living on a diet of grains and starches is actually harder to do than loving on a diet of meat, even if the child mortality rates are lower and the aggregate lifespans are longer. We had to adapt to the diet of a grain farmer, so we got smaller. We didn't see that start to really reverse itself until the Proto Indo-Europeans started making lactase and eating dairy.

>>33513123
Thumb up.
>Bonum.jpg

>>33514024

these investigations were looking at classical societies long after the development of agriculture. for example, scientists looked at the remains of roman farmers and found the same signs of superior strength and conditioning. roman legionnaires lived off a diet of cheese and bread and their forced marches were much more strenuous than any "elite" training regimen today.

>>33513451
Why is a gorilla getting into a sword fight with a T-Rex?

This makes no sense chronologically.

>>33513824
I've always figured prehistoric people would physically be stronger than us by virtue of natural selection and harder lives, but maybe not bigger. And we have a lot more POTENTIAL to be strong because we- at least here innafirstworld- grow up very healthy. We don't go catching polio or any of that shit, we eat well our whole childhood, and holy shit the hormones in our food. A modern human who works out like a beast and maintains the type of physical activity in daily life as prehistoric humans would probably be bigger and stronger because of starting form a healthier base.

it's a stupid fucking question /k/


Modern SF is trained to kill with whatever they're trained on.
Gladiators are trained to put on a show, to perform, to be popular and create a spectacle.


Modern SF teleported into an arena would fail as fuck because the only outcomes are either A or B

A) SF guy kills opponent quickly, without showmanship and grandstanding and end zone dances and therefore is a shit gladiator that gets fed to the lions/tigers/bears/wolves

B) SF guy gets killed, and is therefore a shit gladiator

I think a lot of sf soldiers would kick ass in a situation like that. They are heavily trained in disarming opponents and using all manner of weapons. After finishing the gladiators, they would probably parkour up the wall and seize the emperor.

>>33514210

Read "Before The Dawn" and "The 10,000 Year Explosion". Our ancestors were probably bigger and tougher than we were not just because they were hunters, but because of interpersonal violence. Sexual dimorphism in humans has been decreasing for 200,000 years. Generally, That sort of dimorphism is fueled by sexual competition amongst males. Sexual competition between human males almost invariably means constant, mind-numbing violence.

>>33512034
And a lot of gladiators were literally slaves sent to die. I'd put my money on an oper8er than an a roman serf slave

>>33512303
Kek

>>33515250
>actually believing in outlandish shit to suck operator dick

the gladiators were trained, the condemned were not

>>33512303
>sfo survives
>using his advanced knowledge of physics, he escapes from coliseum slavery and starts collecting materials to build a cast iron gun
>promptly dies in the ensuing explosion because his knowledge of advanced physics apparently doesn't cover things like crystalline structure and frangibility

Ftfy

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>>33515399

Provided you could make decent black powder, you really could whip up some nasty shit with Roman technology. Congreve rockets with simple frag warheads, hand grenades, spar torpedoes.... all manner of cool stuff.

> tfw a Gaulish camp gets turned into cat food by a barrage of a few hundred Congreves

>>33512303
>soldier
>knowing any sort of physics or chemistry

whewlad

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>>33511703
>given a gladius and thrust into the Colosseum of ancient Rome
He would get murdered. The same way he would if you threw him into a modern MMA octagon.

One guy is trained to shoot guns and general combat, the other is exclusively trained in the way both will be fighting.

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>>33513451
>fagit.png
>look at this diagram
I may be tired, but I fucking laughed

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>>33512165
>>33512194
>>33512423
>>33513428
>Axually horse racing and animal fighting was the most popula.....
Fuck off autists. We all know what OP meant.
Hes not asking how good an operator would be at ancient Roman horse racing.

>>33511703
Would a pornstar outdo OP in a dick sucking contest?

>>33515459
I was referring to the cast iron part. Even into the nineteenth century, cast iron field guns were generally only used either when no other option was available or with significant internal reinforcement (steel barrel liners). Until decent, cheap steel was invented, guns were made of either bronze, which has superior elasticity, or bands of wrought iron. And that's just metallurgy. Ignition systems, projectiles, and propellants also all require a certain amount of artistry to produce. It's kind of ignored by the average amateur historian, but just developing the ability to manufacture a reliable gun powder and then grind it fine enough to use without killing yourself is a minor miracle.

>>33511703
Only marginally better than the gladiator would if you teleported him to afghanistan, armed him with an AK, and told him to go start some shit with that Ranger over there in the neat body armor

>>33515663

but the rangers lost that war

>>33512194
>tfw you will never watch a man get mauled by a lion followed by a live Gianna Michaels fuck fest

against untrained slaves and war prisoners?
probably fairly similar, physical conditioning and endurance would serve them well, though undoubtedly a slave who was a soldier would kill him eventually

against trained gladiators?
would be killed without a second thought. stature/strength doesnt mean shit against somebody who has been training to kill people in gladiator combat for years.

>jake smithson
>UNITED STATES MARINE FORCE VETERAN OF SPECIAL FORCES AND AIRPLANES AND GUNS descends into the pit
>he stands 6'3, 225 of mean lean fighting machine
>hand to hand combat training: light grappling and a small amount of knife training
>can rake sand professionally, spends free time working out, drinking, cheating on wife
>veteran of having a billion dollar medivac and killing illiterate sandpeople
>fights because he wanted to be a marine like his daddy
versus
>claudius gaius
>5'9, 185
>had been training in melee combat since childhood
>pastimes include hard backbreaking manual labour for two decades, being abused by pit master, refining melee combat skills
>veteran of two touring seasons in gaul
>fights for glory and money

ROUND START
>USMCSFAG takes rudimentary fighting stance against gladiator, looks around sandy pit of a ring for something to help him win
>claudius advances against the marine, grabs handful of sand and grips his gladius, remembering the dozens of gaullic tribesmen he ran through in his youth
>marine charges his opponent
>gladiator throws sand, feigns a side slash, cuts marines calf deeply
>marine falls to the ground, suddenly realizing that he doesnt know the first thing about sword fighting
>claudius once again feels the glory of rome as the crowds cheer for a favoured pit fighter

>tacticool operator gets dropped into the pit
>Rapelius Boipuccidestroyus stabs him with spear from 5 feet away

>tacticool operator gets dropped into the pit
>Rapelius Boipuccidestroyus rushes him and spays his organs over the sand

>tacticool operator gets dropped into the pit
>Rapelius Boipuccidestroyus tramples him to death with a horse

>tacticool operator gets dropped into the pit
>Rapelius Boipuccidestroyus watches as 30 other slaves kill each other, before he walks around beheading the winners

>tacticool operator gets dropped into the pit
>Rapelius Boipuccidestroyus looses a rock via a sling, knocking operator unconscious

>tacticool operator gets dropped into the pit
>Rapelius Boipuccidestroyus bursts open operator's throat with an expertly placed arrow

>tacticool operator gets dropped into the pit
>Rapelius Boipuccidestroyus slowly whittles and tires the operator by pushing him backward with testing blows of a blunt staff, then impales him on the spiked end

etc., doesnt matter how good you are after getting blown down over and over by the guy running the show, and then thrown into a blistering sandpit to get slaughtered for fun

>>33512194
Do you have a source for this? I remember hearing that most combat events werent actually to the death, that its just a myth/hyperbole/misconception

>>33512060
A 6'6'' cyclist with sufficient conditioning would be able to beat McGregor, quite easily.
There's a reason weight classes exist.

>>33516732
>simple conditioning can overcome years of training, muscle memory and instinctual aggression

for fucks sake

>>33516380
>tfw you will never watch a lion and a Gaul fight to the death for the right to fuck Gianna Michaels
>tfw they will never strike a truce and spit roast that bloated whore like a suckling pig
>tfw you completely forgot that lions are biters and have barbed cocks

Huh. I think I've discovered a new fetish. Welp, off to /d/.

>>33517023
I don't know if it's true, but I read that some animal trainers didn't just train the animals to maul people to death. They also trained certain animals to rape people as well.

Have fun.

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>>33513451
>>33513451
>>33513451

>>33512194
Pretty much. When the empire Christianized, they stopped gladiator fights, then eventually animal fights, and finally pretty much allowed only chariot racing, which is why the hippodrome in Constantinople looked the way it did. Of course, that's pretty ironic considering that Justinian probably killed more people inside the hippodrome in one day while he was putting down the Nika revolt than died in the games during Caligula's entire reign. But at least he built Haghia Sophia 3.0 as his way of saying sorry to Jesus.

>>33511703

That depends heavily on the type of SFO we're talking about here. Contrary to what a bunch of people are spouting in this thread, there are operators out there where melee weapon use and hand to hand combat is among their regiment of training such as the SEALs: probably not sword, but bayonet, knife, and axe. They'd still be at a disadvantage because melee isn't a major part of their training, but people here act like a random peasant would cut down a SF squad without their guns like the SF would just stand there and take it.

>>33513518
>Gaul
>5'2

>>33517223
>people here act like a random peasant would cut down a SF squad without their guns like the SF would just stand there and take it.
Which people?

Everyone understands the height, health, and fitness advantage that the SF guy would have over his opponent. He'd probably be able to fuck up random peasants no problem. But against a trained retiarius or whatever, it's unlikely he would succed because he simply does not have the skill and experience, and those physical advantages don't mean much when you have a trident in your gut.

>>33514368
>They are heavily trained in disarming opponents and using all manner of weapons
They're not.

>>33512405
maybe not in boxin but with same sized swords

>>33511703
Theres a video of MMA fighters taking on Marines who specilaize in that MCMAP shit in scenarios and they got btfo. Thats not to say that any Marine is an inherently better fighter than someone trained in MMA. Just that MMA is a sport, not a life or death exercise and the training is completely different. So if yiur standard Marine/Army Grunt is trained in a way thats all about the kill, put an operator who has 20x more training all around how to effectively stop and eliminate your target with whatever you got and anything fists to small bayonet like weapons theyd most likely beat a gladiator.

Anything higher and a well trained gladiator would definitely win as I dont see any operators coming in with knowledge on feinting with a polearm or some shit.

>>33516715

Not him, but gladiators were expensive. Consider that a typical negro field slave in 19th century America went for rough what a modern grain combine or high end sports car would today when you adjust for currency. Now, unskilled slaves in the Roman world would have been cheaper simply by virtue of supply, but they weren't exactly inexpensive. And gladiators were totally different.

You're talking about men who were selected for strength, speed, size and natural tenacity. Then they're fed a prime diet, given top of the line medical care and trained by experts every day for years. These were not people you simply disposed of in an arena. They were very costly investments intended to pay off over years and even decades. They would have worked more like modern professional wrestlers than disposable arrow sponges. When gladiators fought gladiators, it was almost certainly just for show with little blood being spilled and few lives lost. There is even some evidence to indicate that gladiators packed on a few pounds of fat so they could take the odd superficial cut without bleeding out. The crowd would get its blood, the gladiator gets a new scar and everybody goes home happy. And at the end of his lifespan, the gladiator is either manumitted or used as a bodyguard.

Now, lots of people did die in the arena. Generally, they were criminals, fugitive slaves or enemy soldiers. But gladiators? If a trained gladiator got killed in the arena that would have been a huge loss to his owner. Even a shit gladiator would have been valuable as a bodyguard or just some random scary guy to park in front of a door or a gate.

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>>33512436
Don't be stupid

>>33513757
This. I never got threads comparing soldiers to UFC fighters. Where I'm from, the advanced combatives taught to commandos is shit anybody with any semblance of serious training will know. None of them stand a chance against the average ufc guy (unless they train some MA by themselves, which is rarer than you'd expect).

You wouldn't expect a ufc fighter to be able to clear a building, so why would you expect a soldier to be able to fight against a ufc fighter?

>>33516732
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>>33516732
>6'6" cyclist man with good cardio could easily beat a guy that fights for a living.

Yeah, no. Don't be stupid. You're one of those guys who think they know karate and practice it in the mirror, aren't you?

>>33512034
They train for knife fighting and hand to hand tho

>>33517775
Unfortunately all you can go on is country of origin. So I would say maybe the big superpowers (US, Russia) Operators would easily overpower a gladiator as even the most basic of their operators (Army Rangers) are taught some great fundementals and do hand to hand combat training on the regular. Not to mention just how much body manipulation is taught to these guys. And then countries such as Poland, UK and Germany who extensively train their operators would stand a great chance as well for the same reasons.

Chinese Operators would be annihilated as they would be too distraught over the idea that there existed a time where China did not own Taiwan or some shit

>>33516380
So a man getting mauled by a lion, and then an encore?

>>33517843
It's an afternoon and probably not more than that. You're free to box, wrestle and do whatever else in your own time but there are far more important things to be doing.

Hand to hand and melee stuff is for obscure Central American units who have odd camouflage patterns and Eastern European propaganda videos.

>>33517883
>even the most basic of their operators (Army Rangers) are taught some great fundementals and do hand to hand combat training on the regular

Our ranger school is linked to the American ranger school, and I know people who've been through the US version. I know what your combatives are like. Like I said, all they are taught are the basics (which makes sense as far as the military is concerned, because people don't fight with sticks anymore).

Unfortunately, soldiers (and elite soldiers) aren't as well-trained as people might think.

>>33518026
As far as the general public are concerned, those with special forces service are somewhere between a middleweight boxer and Spiderman in terms of their fighting ability/inherent good guy-ness.

The only hand to hand you were ever likely to get involved in at Hereford, Bragg, Pau or similar places was in the bar after closing. Instead of precision strikes and carefully rehearsed takedowns, it was usually an overhand right to the forehead followed up by some grappling and bashing into furniture - then broken up by someone sensible.

Anecdotal, but the best military boxers I ever saw were from rear units. Very rear units. The Infantry coughed up a few, but nearly every top one was from a unit where they had a lot of time to train and a physically undemanding day job.

He'd fucking die.
Even if he fought slaves and no gladiator, as they were tough too, and numerous.

>>33512390
lindybeige, is that you?

>>33512585
Can we get the picture for the 'Taller and better' guy and then the 'stinky short' guy with flies buzzing around him? Or at least the template?

>>33516732
>>33517797
Lets just all not get ahead of ourselfves and say... what if the operator was only 5'11 or 6'0.

Not much of a real advantage of height.

Plus even at that. Operators only really train with guns anyways. So unless they stopped and picked up Tae Kwon Do or Kickboxing along the way they ain't got nothing else really going for them.

>>33517962
Most of those animals were scared to shit. Until then they usually were kept in a cell or cage and were raised from a kitten because those don't require 10 men to restrain, when you can just kill the parents and take the baby.

>>33512079
The majority of gladiators were slaves.

>>33512194
You are conflating theaters, amphitheaters, and circuses. Only amphitheaters and circuses are considered arenas. Many of the activities you listed primarily took place in theaters.

>>33511703
Well if he has a gun then probably he'll do well.
Depends if he is unarmed or given a weapon he is unused to like a spear or sword

>>33517082
I recall reading about that as well, apparently they had a re creation of the minotaur myth with a female victim chained to a bed and a bull brought into the arena, must have been brutal to watch

He would obviously be a step ahead of the slaves that were used as gladiators, specially because he would be physically better trained, grew up eating actual food and without diseases limiting his physical capacity, be taller and heavier.

However, it is a numbers game and he would probably take a spear to the leg and die from infection. Had you say "10 SOF come back in time" I could bet that one at least would become a great gladiator, but statistics say otherwise.

If it was unarmed combat 1vs1 I would say otherwise, but it is many vs many with bladed stuff in a time where you have very shitty surgeons to fix your cut tendons and no money to do so actually.

>>33511763
>professional gladiators were just that, professionals and experts at fucking people up hand to hand
this.

SOF obviously don't train in gladius but it ain't that hard to work out. If they got a day or two to train then they'd be in much shape for the arena. Even without it, they train knife and a gladius isn't much longer than a good combat knife anyway. Between kbar and bayonet training, they have the basics. Being very good at literally any martial art will help you a lot with any martial art, you have the reflexes and attitude and unlike most martial artists, they train to kill opponents trying to kill them.

They'd curb stomp the pleb slaves sent in to warm up the gladiators. Against actual gladiators, they'd win some but probably lose to the actual pros. Those guys are just as hard as them (both are essentially peak conditioned humans) but they have the training.

However...if the SOF managed to get their hands on any kind of spear then they can use it like a bayonet and maybe it's not quite the same game anymore. If he survives his first fight, there's a good chance he'd learn enough and maybe be given enough training to survive much longer.

Unfortunately though, the SOF doesn't spend his rest time training with swords, he spends it in SERE trying to escape. Maybe he succeeds, mugs the first passing guy for a toga and blends in with the population going 'ave ave' to anyone that talks to him before he walks away. Or maybe he fails to escape from an actual slave dungeon and eventually dies in the arena.

>>33512060
>Gladiators trained for years
Most gladiators didn't live for years. Even legionnaires only trained in sword work for a few months, it's just not that complicated (the rest is formations, construction and procedures).

>>33512377
>http://someshit/how-far-fitness-has-fallen
Whatever you have to say, I'm sure it doesn't apply to SOF. They're hardly average fitness and human potential is largely unchanged.

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>>33512060
>It's like saying some 6'6" cyclist could beat McGregor just by being taller
/n/ here. Pro cyclists are stick-figure manlets, especially if they're hill climbers.

There are probably no successful pro cyclists over about 6'

>>33516732
Weight classes exist because size is only an advantage if fighting skill is more or less equal

A 6'6" cyclist who's never thrown a punch would get taken apart like fucking Lego

>>33520767
>a step ahead of the slaves that were used as gladiators
Only in terms of physique. Not in terms of fighting skill, which is a huge determining factor. Modern military personnel do not train to fight with gladius and trident. Gladiators (actual gladiators, not just slaves or criminals thrown in the arena to get slaughtered by the dozens) did. Relative to your average person, a gladiator had good health, fitness, diet, physique, and top of the line training. His entire purpose was to fight in the arena, so he would have a significant advantage over the modern soldier.

>>33520805
>human potential is largely unchanged.

definitively untrue. evolution did not stop when humans built cities and settled into agrarian societies.

>They're hardly average fitness
>I'm sure it doesn't apply to SOF

did you even read the article or understand the presented hypothesis? the scientists are saying that the average ancient/classical human is on par with today's elites.

>inb4 SOF's best of the best of the best would totally win

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>>33511718
This, modern day humans are given all the macro/micro nutrients, vitamins and minerals they need. He might as well be superhuman compared to Roman standards
An average Spec Ops soldiers would probably destroy regardless of lack of sword training

>>33522486
>regardless of lack of sword training

you best be trolling nigga

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>>33515581
I didn't say anything like that though

>>33522495
Spec Ops are given some degree of hand to hand and physical weapons training.(At least as far as I know)
I dont believe the average soldier wouldnt be able to work something out considering he would be smarter, larger, and have modern day training to handle the situation.

The modern operator may be, and likely is, someone very interested in personal combat.

He wouldn't likely be completely ignorant of gladiatorial combat, and he'd know his own strong suits.

The test could be made with dummy weapons. Perhaps a HEMA expert vs. operator?

>>33522516
>wits can overcome years of training in a specific application

also, ancient humans were also stronger and faster so "larger" is arguablly irrelevant

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>>33522559
>ancient humans were also stronger and faster
Wrong, unless your referring to the fact that most humans nowadays waste away their physique sitting in front of the computer then yes, but an in shape human today would be much stronger. Average height of humans have increased over the years and as I said before we have plentiful amounts of food to nourish his body with whatever he would need that not all humans then had available. A "strong" human then would be beat out by a "strong" human today without question.
Also im rooting for my spec ops guys, I think with the training he received he can work something out to survive gladiatorial combat

>>33522602
>didn't read the thread

there are numerous scientific inquiries with plenty of evidence backing that ancient humans were on average stronger and faster, and the scenario describe might be true for a singular ten sigma freak show, is totally untrue for an honest assessment of the question at hand.

>Also im rooting for my spec ops guy

and here comes the motive, you just want to suck his dick so you'll say a bunch of stupid shit

>>33522634
>didn't read the thread
Hmmm, there doesnt seem to be a lot of sauce to back up those claims. Dont give me that retarded how fitness has fallen article, it argues about people who are nonathletic, we are talking about athletic people
>tfw you lose the argument so you have to resort to insults
*gif of Rihanna sipping water*

>>33512060
But could a McGregor sized cyclist beat a 6'6 McGregor

>>33522711
>it argues about people who are nonathletic, we are talking about athletic people
>totally misread the article, or did not read it at all

Here is a quote

“Even our most highly trained athletes pale in comparison to these ancestors of ours,” says Dr. Colin Shaw of Cambridge University’s Phenotypic Adaptability, Variation and Evolution Research Group. “We’re certainly weaker than we used to be.”

Then you can google that group and find the publications that you desire.

Meanwhile your sources consist of you rooting for an idol.

>you lose the argument

It is cute you actually believe that.

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>>33522797
Heres another
>“The average U.S. citizen is considerably less fit than the average hunter-gatherer or forager,” says Dr. Loren Cordain, professor emeritus of health and exercise science at Colorado State University and author of The Paleo Diet. “The lesson to be learned is not from early farmers and their dietary and exercise patterns, but rather from our hunter-gatherer ancestors and their dietary and exercise patterns.
Compared to hunter gatherer
At this point in history Romans were agricultural based
Try again

>>33522819
>Try again

That implies you made a point worth rebutting, you did not. You are citing someone else's source while producing none of your own.

Why did you ignore the dialogue on classical-era humans and quote a line on hunter-gatherers, as if those hunter-gatherers being possibly even stronger than classical Romans means classical Romans were not stronger than post-industrial-age humans? Looks like deliberate mendacity on your part.

>https://phys.org/news/2009-10-modern-men-wimps.html
>rowers of the massive trireme warships in ancient Athens who far exceeded the capabilities of modern rowers, Roman soldiers who completed the equivalent of one and a half marathons a day, carrying equipment weighing half their body weight

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>>33522899
>That implies you made a point worth rebutting, you did not. You are citing someone else's source while producing none of your own.
Thats exactly what you did so you have no point there
>quote a line on hunter-gatherers, as if those hunter-gatherers being possibly even stronger than classical Romans means classical Romans were not stronger than post-industrial-age humans?
Yes, the article was claiming Hunter gatherers are stronger than modern humans because farming weakened them. Romans farmed excluding them from being stronger than hunter gatherers, thus a modern human given all the advantages of modernity would be able to beat a Roman slave.
> Roman soldiers who completed the equivalent of one and a half marathons a day, carrying equipment weighing half their body weight
Whats your point, an in shape human today couldn't do this?