Could they make a more perfect home defense shotgun that is still

>>33508620
They could make one with an 18" barrel a stock.

>>33508636
That defeats the point of making it compact.

>>33508648
Sure, but it's short as can be while still actually being useful.

a normal 18" barrel with a stock is

those pistol grip only shotguns are fucking shit

>>33508636
This

>>33508648
Yeah, but you can acutally hit what you're aming at, accuratey

The shockwave is a toy.

>>33508764
How far away would a home invader be that I wouldn't hit him?

>>33508810
1 foot

>>33508831
Yea alright chief.

>>33508837
>alright chief
>thinking a shotgun is a magical never miss device like in video games

You realize the shot stays together and doesn't start to spread for at least a couple yards, right?

At a couple feet away, you might as well be shooting slugs. You have to aim a shotgun.

>>33508620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjThckYqBQ
IT'S SHIT
LITERALLY WORSE THAN AN OLD-TIMEY COACH GUN

>>33508951
Who said anything about not aiming? I watched videos of people hitting targets with at least 9 pellets at 15+ yards using that shotgun.

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Uhhhhhhhh

>>33508994
How many shells does the cat hold?

>>33509014
Five in the mag one in the tube.

>>33508994
What are those two on the bottom?

>>33509149
KSG and Super Shorty.

>>33508636
fpbp

>>33508964
came here to post this
gun jesus and his metrosexual friend rek all you fags

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gun jesus and karl video demonstrating that a stock is always superior.. bonus pionts if it has a short length of pull like a youth stock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjThckYqBQ

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>>33509299
also want to point out that at home defense ranges its still possible to make headshots in a human shield situation and they tested that.. hence the term shotgun surgeon made famous in movies like kill bill and vidya

>>33509274
>>33508964
>>33509299
>>33509313
whoops...

>>33508620

is there any reason a KSG isn't better?

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>>33508620
Try fitting a whole box of shells into your little babby shotgun with no stock.

>>33509389

good god

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>>33509389
i want to load it with pic related

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>>33508620

>>33509444
How many would fit

>>33511251
50

>>33511251
I would say around 40

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>>33508620
Stop playing with toys.

>>33508648
>Compact

Didn't realize you were concealed carrying it.

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>>33508837
>I've never patterned a fucking shotgun in my life

My how the ignorant can be petulant, you're arguing from ignorance there Mr.Biden

>>33508951
>You can't aim a gun without a stock

Welp, time to throw away my pistols I guess, since they can't be aimed.

>>33511323
More like I'd be hiding it in my bedroom.

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>>33511350
Welp, it's gotta be bait. No way any sane nominally intelligent person would conflate a 12 GAUGE shotgun with a 9mm handgun specifically when firing off hand MUCH LESS when the two examples weigh nearly the same.

>>33511385
Okay, if it's in your bedroom, it can probably fit damn easily under a mattress, or between a bedside table and said bed. You don't need it to be tiny.

>>33508620
>no stock
>6 capacity
looks like shit to me OP

It's a neat novelty or maybe a quaint trunk-gun, but as half the thread pointed out you're better off with a stock in every scenario.
Although I wouldn't mind a 14" with a stock, but SBS etc

>>33511350
And how do you aim a pistol? By looking down the sights, right? Try that with a pgo shotgun and you'll look like a toothless meth-head afterwards.

>>33511485
how the hell did they make a 14 inch barrel with a flush tube hold 6 shots when a 500 with a 20 inch barrel only holds 7 in the tube?
even a 14 inch rem 870 is 4 in the tube.

>>33511408
I don't know how many five and a half pound handguns you have, but as someone who has actually fired PGO shotguns I can assure you they're not anywhere near as hard to shoot as people seem to think they are.

Barring severe disorders of muscle or bone, you should be able to hit reliably at 25 yards, to say nothing of the 5-7 yards in a home defense situation.

>>33508620
You're right, I couldn't make a better non-NFA home defense weapon, but someone else could.

>>33511563
don't know mang, I just saw it on their website

>>33511520
>t. noodlearms

I shoot 3" magnums out of my PGO Maverick 88, aiming down the sights as that's required by my range. I got a light bump on my nose the first time I used a high-velocity magnum, but quickly learned to control that as well.

Normal or low-recoil buck should not be an issue for anyone who is strong enough to hold a gun in general.

>>33511572
A full 226 with a light is alot fucking closer in weight to that toy than it is to a real shotgun with a stock. It's a piece of shit for HD it's only purpose is plinking, argue it all you want but keep in mind that you are arguing against all conventional wisdom and common sense.

>>33511604
i can only imagine some marketing fuckery where 6 actually means 5+1 but that still doesnt explain the extra 1 round over remington

>>33511634
if the tube length is the same, it probably just has to do with the size of the magazine spring and follower

>>33511655
exactly
i want to know what magic mossbergs using

>>33511626
Please record all your shooting, I can't wait for the day you mix one of your tough guy braggart rounds up with what you thought was a low recoil buck or something and you have to get that shit spewing jaw wired. ORRRR you could just have a stock like has been common sense for 100's of years now.

>>33511671
magnets would be cool

>>33508951
>a shotgun is a magical never miss device like in video games
It's actually the opposite.

>>33511520
Not everyone is a weakling like you.

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I'll just leave this here

>>33512170
Refer to >>33511672

>>33508727
Bird's head != PGO
It's actually crazy how differently they handle. Bird's head is much easier to aim and shoot accurately, as you can sight down the bore provided you "stretch" the gun while shooting.

A stock is still much easier to shoot effectively but they're nowhere near as bad as a PGO gun.

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Bullpup shotguns

>>33511563

Mini shells.

>>33511034
Monolith on the market? I've heard about it but then I've heard about the Magpul PDR and other things that never went beyond concept/prototype too.

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>>33512633
>>33512300
>>33508994
My niggas.

Anyone else keep buckshot in one tube and slugs in the other?

>>33508620
Yes

It needs a spring bayonet

>>33508620

I built one by throwing a 590 breacher kit onto a 500, it's my bedside gat.

>>33508654

Dude, you'd be shooting at ranges of like 30 feet max. 24 OAL is fine.

I've actually shot mine, so yeah, it's completely useable.

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Best defense here :^)

>>33509323
>inb4 mangling your hand because you bought a $900 meme gun and an airshit vfg.

Am I the only one excited for the shockwave?

I ordered and prepaid for one at my LGS, they already have 25 more on order.

It ain't an HD firearm or even practical as a firearm; it's a range toy

>>33508620

>Could they make a more perfect home defense shotgun that is still legal and doesn't require an NFA tax stamp?

A pistol grip for the pump and the rear and an integrated light would be an improvement.

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>>33508620

How about a bullpup Saiga 12?

>>33513002
>yo dog we heard you hate fast reloads so we put a rock-and-lock magazine on a bullpup so you can have terrible ergonomics while you struggle to line up the locking tab exactly right

>>33513257

Why the fuck would I need to reload quickly?

You think I'm going to need more than 10 rounds of 00 Buck to deal with Tyrone?

>>33508994
>10/10 high quality domesticated house kitty
>would pet with no regrets

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>>33508620

>>33513964
[Bonk Intensifies]

>>33513964
Fun fact that's the top shotgun here >>33508994

>>33513964
wouldnt that not work?

>>33514028
you could probably stand 10 feet in front of it and not have it break your skin.

>>33514032
I'd love for you to try.

>>33513884
Literally the point of box magazines is faster reload speed.
By your logic there's no reason to own that over any tubular mag semi-auto.

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Anyone have any experience with this one?

>>33508620

Challenge accepted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP5KbWOe64g

To be fair the tube does have the advantage of being topped off without leaving you vulnerable.

Then again you could throw one in and fire it one at a time, but it would be akward.

>>33508620
Yeah, it's called a carbine, dumbass.

>>33508764
I thought you died.

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>>33517873
>Not NFA
>Not SBS
>Not assault weapon because not semi-auto
>STILL banned in New York

Reeeeeee why

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>>33509299
>they don't actually test a bird's head grip gun, which handles fundamentally differently from a PGO gun.
In-range is literally a troll channel.

>>33521008
well, yeah. PGO is objectively better and easier to handle than a bird's head grip.

They were actually doing the gun a favor.

>>33513002
Should i get one of these for my saiga .308?

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>>33513964
reminds me of pic related

>>33508620
I'd put a surefire slide on it, but other than that I'd say it's the best HD choice out there that doesn't require legal tomfoolery. If I didn't have to worry about the law, yes I would put a stock on it or just buy an automatic SMG.

It's definitely not for new shooters though. Even though the recoil isn't ridiculous, it's probably pretty heavy. It also needs some pretty decent point shooting skills, but it's compact size, light weight, and bead sight should make quick targeting fairly easy.

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>>33521248
>Putting a pistol grip on a Mossberg

Have fun not being able to reach the safety.

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>>33511251
ALL.

>>33509444
>>33511251
Likely wouldn't cycle right. The only shotguns that could reliably cycle these were the Winchester 1300 and its clones because of the rotary bolt.

Throw a bayonet on it and il buy 2

>>33521517
Speaking of minishells, Mossberg made an adapter to go with the shockwave so it can reliably use them. I assume it will work with the 500 and 590 too.

>>33521248
How does it feel to be dumb and wrong?

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>>33521248

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>>33508620
as someone who owns an actual breaching shotty it is terrible to shoot I would never want use it for anything other than dicking around with out a stock. you are retarded if you think a pistol grip is better than a stock

>>33511520
hey Im not agreeing with that retard, but I have a shotgun without a stock and I can aim and shoot it just fine. youre just a weak bitch

>>33511634
It's 5+1

bullpup 16.5 bbl

>>33508620
I'd reach for a full stock 18.5" version with the larger capacity over the range toy any day

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>>33522375
>breaching shotty
>no vented muzzle

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>>33524241

Stand-off devices are gimmicks. There's a reason they hit the market about the same time as zombie green paint and chainsaw handgrips.

>>33524292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVf2lmAA3ic

yea dude, such a gimmick.

>>33512761
Nope. I run #1 buckshot 16 pellet in both tubes. I still think I would grab the old rem 870 for bump in night though. Love my ksg but not sure I would truly trust it. Plus there is that ejected hulls cutting up the wrist if you dont chicken wing it a bit.

>>33508620
If they put a stock on it, it would be better. Albeit you need an 18" barrel. Alas a full length shotgun with a stock is better than that coat hanger abortion.

>>33508620
>pro tip, you can't
>and yet, you could always build a Shockwave-type shotgun pistol out of a Benelli M4 or a Vepr 12

I like it, but a semi-auto shot pistol is what I truly want to see someone build.

>>33511034
I had no idea that this thing existed.

Right now, I'm giggling uncontrollably at the sheer insanity of the idea of a P90-style compact home defense shotgun that feeds 12-gauge rounds from a P90 style mag.

God fucking damnit, the audacity of it.

>>33524328
Because often in a home defence scenario you have to breach doors?

>>33508636
/thread

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So is stuff like this for 1k just novelty then? I like the idea of the Super shotty but it's 2+1 so why not a smaller breach shotgun? I want something to carry while backwoods camping that's light.

>>33526989
$5 transfer tax for an AOW vs $200 for an SBS

>>33524550
>you could always build a Shockwave-type shotgun pistol out of a Benelli M4 or a Vepr 12
Have fun finding a virgin receiver.

>>33508951
Shotguns don't even do any damage past 10 feet anyway!!!!

>>33511520
I think pistol grip shotguns are impractical toys. With that being said I've done plenty of skeet shooting and other activities holding it out like a pistol for aiming and haven't had issues hitting myself. If you keep a firm grip and arm you're fine.

>>33513257
>>33513884

That's why you stuff a vepr 12 in there instead.

Also, nothing outs the AR-fag quicker than posts bitching about the "bad ergonomics" of rock-and-lock.

>>33530413
Rock in on it's own is fine.
Salga 12 rock in is not.

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>>33508620

YA NEED MOAR DAKKA YA GIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX7vwivR6cE