Why hasn't anybody made a pistol with a non reciprocating

>>33504537
>dead simple to design

because in any of these dead simple designs you can still hold it the same way and still jam it with the cartridge that's ejecting

>>33504537

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_C96

>>33504537
I plan to cc a ruger lcr to totally avoid this, is it worth it for the low capacity?

>>33504592
Is short recoil operated and would still probably be affected by grabbing the top of it

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>>33504537
A 45acp one of these would be pretty titties

>>33504537
It isnt a problem and for the times it is a problem you have a lot more to worry about than how to get the second shot off

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>>33504558
The only jams it wouldn't prevent are if you cover the ejection port. It reduces the chances of jamming considerably, so what's your point?

>>33504605
Personally I don't like revolvers. If you do get one then you'd better train very frequently, particularly with reloading and shot placement.

>>33504656
But that's impossible anon.

>>33504667
Are you having a stroke?

>>33504771
My point is that if you're grabbing at the top of the slide chances are you'd always end up covering the ejection port

>>33504771
If someone is close enough to GRAB your slide you have fucked up, if you go full retard and decide punching with your gun while shooting it is a good idea you have fucked up.

Designing a system around fuckups are for fuckups so this 'problem' will never get fixed because most people aren't fuckups.

>>33504771
Instead of designing non-reciprocating, a gun should be designed that is non-obstruct-able. Takes care of both issues at once, know what I mean?

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>>33504793
So you've given me a specific situation in which the slide wouldn't help. Have you given me any reason it's actually a bad idea?

>>33504826
>you fucked up so you deserve to die
Not an argument.

>>33504851
And how would you do that?

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>>33504902
They make stupid shit for your stupid shit problem, go buy that amd ponder how to CC with your gut in the way you stupid shit mall ninja

>>33504656
Are you the same mongoloid who was asking if they made one in 45 or 9? Its just a .22

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>>33504656
Here's a 9mm version.

Enjoy your jams.

>>33504902
>So you've given me a specific situation in which the slide wouldn't help. Have you given me any reason it's actually a bad idea?

You have to prove it's a good idea not the other way around

I couldn't care less thinking about it because if someone's grabbed my gun I'm probably already fucked and its not because my gun is jamming

>>33504656
Now imagine the bolt weighing over one kilogram.

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>>33504951
That does not do everything that a non reciprocating slide could do. Why so angry anon?

>>33505027
>you have to prove its a good idea
Well there's almost no downside and it could save your life, so it seems pretty damn good to me

>>33505098
Listen, its obvious you don't have guns much less train with them.

Get a couple. Spend some time at the range. Lurk a little more and learn how guns work.

Then come back and dont shit up this board with your stupid, asinine nonsense.

>>33505098
>Well there's almost no downside

size/weight/cost/shape/reliability

>>33504644
No, the recoil action is so short that your hand wouldn't stop it. Your hand flesh isn't rigid you know...

>>33504537
If a slide doesn't slide, then in what conceivable sense is it a slide?

>>33504537
Several reasons:

The short recoil browning action that's nearly ubiquitous on all pistols requires both the barrel and "bolt" to move backwards, before tilting back the barrel. This is a lot easier to do with a slide.

Because pistols are smaller, the weight of the slide is actually a pretty important factor in getting the thing to cycle. It's the reason why Hi-Points are so tall - the metal is cheaper and less dense, and therefore there needs to be a lot of mass.

It is possible to build a pistol of the type you're considering, where there's a bolt that just slides through the back of the gun (see: Ruger MK3), but note that this is mainly possible because the reciprocating mass doesn't need to be as large for .22.

To go larger (see: Automag) you'll need a rotating lug or some other device, and this naturally drives up cost and complexity.

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>>33505145
>size/cost/shape
It's just a normal pistol slide, separated from the rest of the pistol. Any changes here would be insignificant.
>reliability
There are non reciprocating charging handles that still allow you to slam the bolt into battery. You could do the same with a slide.

>>33505204
Do you know what a non reciprocating charging handle is?

>>33505227
Good point about short recoil guns, I would only expect this to make sense on a fixed barrel design. I don't see what effect the weight of the slide has on reliability. Hi Points need a heavy slide because they're straight blowback, that's it.

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>>33505306
>Do you know what a non reciprocating charging handle is?
A charging handle that doesn't reciprocate is still a handle that charges the weapon.

A slide that does not slide is not a slide. Please use your head.

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>>33504537
Well, there is this guy.

>>33505356
A slide that doesn't reciprocate is still a slide that charges the weapon. Please use your head.

>>33505489
So what, you're going to have TWO slides, one inside the other?

You're going to add all that mass and volume to solve a problem that doesn't even exist in the first place? You must be retarded.

>>33505516
No. It'd have one slide, to solve a problem that clearly exists.

>>33505545
The problem doesn't exist, and you have completely failed to explain what sort of action your gun would use.

>>33504537
>It's dead simple to design
If you're so clever, go ahead and design one. For reference, here are a few people who are not as smart as you:
>Sam Colt
>Horace Smith
>Dan Wesson
>Georg Luger
>Hugo Bordchart
>Ferdinand Mannlicher
>Saint JMB, our lord and saviour.
>Gaston Glock
And of course countless other engineers and designers around the world.

>>33504537
>It's dead simple to design

I laughed aloud

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What would prevent manufacturers from having a small external shell around a slide to prevent something like that from happening? Provided they actually wanted to expend the resources preventing that.

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>>33504656
It's been done, just not in .45ACP

>>33505624
That seems to be what he's proposing, and it's fucking stupid.

>>33505606
Designing an action that could work isn't even the hard part. Designing an action that could work and that you can actually build and assemble... THAT is hard. You would not believe the bullshit people scribble on paper and expect to just materialize into a real product.

>I see there's a blind rectangular hole there
>Yes, and?
>How you do propose we machine those four perfectly sharp 90 degree angles that are critical to the function of the design?
>Uhhhhhh
>How do these two components assemble together without the ability to phase this part through matter?
>UHHHHHH

>>33504771
>Hate speech is procted speech
What did they mean by this?

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>>33505594
Read any article on snub nosed revolvers and they'll bring up the risks of an automatic jamming in certain situations. As for what action it could use, any delayed blowback would do, with the bolt riding in the slide.

>>33505606
So now having an idea and working it out makes you smarter than every past inventor? Seems logical.

>>33505615
You take a pistol with an internal bolt, like a Nambu (but not shit), and you put a plastic slide over it.

>>33505660
So much anger. I don't think it's healthy for you to stay in this thread.

>>33505720
Why put a "slide" over the gun? What would it do?

>>33505720
>Read any article on snub nosed revolvers and they'll bring up the risks of an automatic jamming in certain situations.
Marketing nonsense. It's not a real problem in real world scenarios.

Just because advertisers claim something is an important feature doesn't make it so.

>>33505758
It sounds like he wants to use the slide as a charging handle, but not have it reciprocate when firing.

>>33505790
If that's the case it's gonna cause the gun to go out of battery if grabbed like the op pic, ruining one of the few "pros" this idea has

>>33505663
Oh, I know.
t. Mech Eng.

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>>33505758
Racking a slide is faster than pulling a bolt back.

>>33505788
>something that's completely possible
>nonsense

>>33505823
It would still prevent jamming when grabbed or restricted in other ways.

>>33504605
>ruger lcr
revolvers are worse, two fingers on the cylinder and it can't even rotate to the next round or fire.

>>33505823
>>33505843
You introduce other problems too, though. If it fails to go into battery, you have need some way to force it into position.

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>>33505870
>>33505306

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>>33504537
>it'd make jamming when grabbed or when the slide is hit a thing of the past.
Nope
Just because the slide doesn't reciprocate during normal firing doesn't mean it still can't be used to hold the bolt out of battery. Grabbing the slide can still jam it (at least until the slide is released).

>>33506088
True, I should've said that it would just greatly reduce the chances of a jam.

>>33504537
>Why hasn't anybody made a pistol with a non reciprocating slide before?

because then it couldn't cycle

if you mean a non reciprocating external bolt, then it would be huge

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>>33504537
Thanks for bringing the quality of the board down just a little more with your shit thread