What is the counter to military exoskeletons? You can't

>>33490080
autocannons, ap small arms fire.

>>33490080
water

>>33490080

Powered endo-skeletons.

Suicide bombing is pretty much the only cost-effective option

You spend $500 and a human life, you take out $5M+ exoskeleton and a human operator who underwent $1M+ of training.

Trying to use antitank rifles or something is just not going to work, boris the vodka-lover will miss the first shot then get turned into swiss cheese when exo guy's combat HUD tells him where the threat came from.

>>33490089
these

>>33490101
So... terminator?

EMP
/thread

>>33490142
M2HB's on those little wheeled carriages like the Dushka

>>33490101
>Powered endo-skeletons.

genetically engineered super soldiers: myoglobin of a polar bear/killer whale, eye sight of a cat etc....

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>>33490175
It's not as far away as you think it is. This is a fly with the DNA codes for its eyes literally copy/pasted using CRISPR into where its leg DNA should be.

World War 3 will be nuclear, and World War 4, if we're around for it, will be genetic and robotic.

>>33490090
kek

What about generic Molotov cocktail type things and napalm?

>fuck you ching chong moot for blocking my cell phone network and making work boring again...

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>>33490194
I don't think it's far away at all. hox mutant Drosophila are disgusting though.

>>33490175
Spess Muhreens?

>skin and bones tougher than titanium
>at least 2 of every vital organ
>Eagle eyed vision

>>33490249
Probably more like Spartans

AP small arms fire
Some dirt farmer scratching the finish on a suit with his rusty slavshit would probably cost 100,000 in repairs.

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>>33490080

napalm, lots and lots of napalm

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> not growing multi armed soldiers and multi winged chickens
Weak

>>33490249
no. brute strength is pointless for firefighting. what you'd want is practical, arrhythmic stop and go endurance. as in sprint like crazy, recover, shoot, sprint more, recover, shoot etc.

>>33490080
>You can't expect cumbersome HEAT charge devices to be successfully deployed against highly mobile footsoldiers.

Except that's happened in Syria & Iraq multiple times now. And those poor sods weren't even armoured.

>>33490274
What is between 7.62NATO and .50BMG for exoskeleton use?

.300 WM?

>>33490277
This
Human Centipede when?

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flipping the breaker in the power outlet

>>33490080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vVDzyKp5Vk

Two things right now prevent military exoskeletons being good enough for real combat:

- servo strength. None are as strong or as fast as human muscle. They can be one or the other. This would be fixed if a nation focused on it.

- battery power. The entire world is working on this already, for the sake of mobile phones, and has made very little progress. This will probably not be fixed for a while.

>>33490080
Actual heat, the soldiers pass out from exhaustion

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>>33490353
Just give them an umbilical cord, it's a flawless plan imo

>>33490359

That's like the easiest thing to fix. You just put little 5-volt fans inside the suit. People do it for cosplay outfits.
Or do the space suit thing and have a full liquid cooling circuit

>>33490353
>I mean... power armor SEEMS nice, but when was the last time a human had to run less than 1,000 miles?

>>33490080
More importantly, where can i buy this?

>>33490368
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoCDgAlzlv8
>The intro's kinda long, but it's worth it I swear
Naw, fug that, I say we do like this guy and put a bunch of peltier plates in a jacket. By manipulating the current, you can make the plates hot or cold. I can't believe the military hasn't considered this, it's very compact, more so than a water-cooled design, the electronic plates offer redundancy in the case some of them are damaged vs if the water pump fails, it's useless, and in the current civilian offerings, this jacket runs off a battery no bigger than a mobile phone
At the very least we shold be persuing adding this and that helmet suspension rig to our military's standard equipment instead of making them walking tin cans.

>>33490080
By shooting.

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>>33490101

delet this

>>33490080
Fast moving AP rounds.

>>33490277
>not growing the wings on actual buffalo

>>33490291
>brute strength is pointless for firefighting

Well it's not very important. Strength helps handle recoil and carrying. If you're buddy is down, you can drag him. If you're handed the big gun, you can handle it.

>>33490194
i want to read more about this

>>33490561
>fund it

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>>33490517
>>33490080
SOMEBODY DEBATE ME ON THIS SHIT, GODDAMNIT!

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>>33490567
Almost all genetic research is performed on fruit flies because:

1) they reproduce and mature extremely fast (so you can test genetic changes much faster)
2) despite the differences, human DNA is about 60% similar to fruit fly DNA

>>33490606
Is there any proof that the plates do what he says they do?

>>33490080
How is a simple molotov cocktail or two not going to ruin his shit?

>>33490080
by reintroducing the flamethrower?

>>33490659
Well, you have to get into throwing distance and light your molotov cocktail, or else run up to this guy while it's already lit.

It could also have active defense, and it wouldn't even need to be powerful. Just little air cartridges on the outside of the suit that bust open and repel flammable liquids midair.

>>33490566
ask yourself this: would you want your infantry/SFs to have twice their max rep strength or twice their cardiovascular stamina? I think the answer is clear.

alsomaintaining of fitness without training would be a point. sure, huamns can train and become pretty rad but that's time and effort wasted. meanwhile even a dog who grew old for 10 years being chained to a tree will outrun a hobby runner.

>>33490080
It was already said. AP ammo. Unless you have some sort of magical material that can be light enough to cover the body and able to resist armor piercing ammunition an exoskeleton designed to protect against bullets is a joke.

>>33490080
>>What is the counter to military exoskeletons?
the prevelance of man portable explosives and armor piercing rounds. also emp

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>>33490306
.338 Lapua would be impossible to armor for.

But I think that smaller recoilless rifles need to be developed. Something along the lines of 75mm so it can punch through light cover, and thin armor.

>>33490644
Honestly, I feel that's why it's hard to find a refrence to their company. In theory it should work, and they sell products still, but there don't seem to be people raving about it or substantiating his claims, but I want to believe.

>>33490644
>>33490860
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling

Oh, I forgot this link

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>>33490194
>mfw modding real life is easier than modding most games, and so far we're doing the same stupid shit with it

The future is bright

Pretty much the same things that currently account for the majority of infantry casualties. Truth is, it's hard to combat relatively cheap explosive devices e.g. IED, mortars, and RPGs head-to-head without casualties.

>>33490163
Really this. It is already devastating enough today.

>>33490080
Robots.

>highly mobile
just say it

you want parkour robots

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one cannot into spider hole with powdered exoskeleton

Spehs murrehns when?

>>33490567

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7892602

I think this is an abstract of it.

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>>33490080
>genetically engineer man-sized spiders
>arm them with spider exoskeletons
>cry havoc, and let slip the spiders of war

Only solution

>>33491145
We space marine Umbrella Corp when?

>>33490194
>During or after your lifetime there will be a version of FoxDIE that can target specific ethnic groups
Jesus Christ how horrifying.

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>>33491145
WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE?

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>>33490889
>>33491128
>>33490222

man-bear-pig is 50% complete

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/01/human-pig-hybrid-embryo-chimera-organs-health-science/

>>33491145
>Suddenly we earth defense force
EDFEDFEDF!

>>33491145
you dream so small anon. so small. Where we are going, you wont need eyes to see.

>>33491145
Spiders have a size limitation based on the amount of atmospheric oxygen. They can't get too big otherwise oxygen won't efficiently diffuse through their bodies. Basically you'll be making giant spiders that suffocate.

>>33490080
Bullets?? Exoskeleton s arnt armored.why would they be. They would be a logistics tool more so than a combat effectiveness multiplier.

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>>33491251

NEIN!

THIS THREAD IS NOW A GENETICALLY MODIFIED SUPER SOLDIER WEAPON THREAD

>>33491249
That is what the augmentations are for, dummy..

>>33491249
What about prehistoric eurypterids?

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>>33491383
>>33491249
Megarachne

>What is the counter to military exoskeletons?
Depends on who you are. If you're a goatherder from the desert you use IED's and mortars like usual. If you're a more modern army focus even more on supply routes because the more tech a soldier carries (or that carries him) the more dependent they'll be on support

>>33490142
Not even.

Send in a couple dozen of Autonomous human seeking drones with a stick of dynamite on each one.

Even if 1 of 12 make it, its worth it.

>>33491450
I think you are in the wrong thread, but lighthearted sexual assault really seems to be the way of the world right now. Working in a restaurant in college, we would scoop each others balls with soup ladles and slap each other on the ass. Odd sexual tension between male coworkers appears to be the basis for most humor in the nonprofessional workplace.

I imagine that it is no different for where ever you are. And as you were in a bar, I could assume that he was drunk off his ass.

>>33490353
You don't need servos and you don't need batteries. Most exoskeletons you see operate using servo motors, but those are generally either targeted for civilian applications (help paralyzed walk, carry heavy boxes, ect.), while ones designed for the military/industry are powered by hydraulics. Powering hydraulic actuators requires a hydraulic pump which can be powered by an internal combustion engine or an electric motor. The real issue is weight, to have a lightweight skeleton, you need to compromise power and endurance. To have the power and endurance which would be ideal, it would weight as much as something like a motorcycle.

>>33491180
What's the problem? You're not one of the untermench, are you?

>>33490080
Bullets, just like before

>>33490080
Lots of small IEDs, 20mm rifles, .50 rifles. Even with an exoskeleton there's only so much armor you can encase a person in before they lose the utility of being the shape and size of a person.

>>33490194
Welp. Time to lock the doors and neet up.

>>33490219
Clear your cookies and restart your phone. Works for me.

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>>33491648
too many eyes

>ou can't expect cumbersome HEAT charge devices to be successfully deployed against highly mobile footsoldiers.

You can tho. The next revolution in munitions is going to be sensor-fused munitions for antipersonnel instead of anti-tank.

Then there are related systems like MACE, an ant-medium-armor shell that uses multiple small EFPs for shrapnel instead of the shell casing, or Pike, the 40mm M320-launched missile with a standard 40mm HEDP warhead.

Suppression isn't a problem either, there are .338 machineguns on the market and they are rated to penetrate level 3 plates at 1km (so at 300m, or with AP, they'd pen level 4).

The real benefit of exoskeletons is carrying more stuff without getting so tired. Armor is not a major factor.

>>33490693
The Brits and Finns developed self lighting Molotov cocktails during WWII. They're not that hard to make. And that ignores modern launched incendiaries.

Although for my money, the best defence against exosuits would be deep, loose sand or mud. That shit eats everything.

>>33490080
.22 should do the job

>>33491747
You mean quick sand? It occurs to me that you would be royally fucked if you got stepped in some wearing a 300 pound suit.

>>33491762
What if the operator is wearing denim?

>>33491747
>Although for my money, the best defence against exosuits would be deep, loose sand or mud

They would have extensible 'snowshoe' type things that decrease the ground pressure

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>>33491180
>During or after your lifetime there will be a version of FoxDIE that can target specific ethnic groups
>FoxDIE
>not vocal cord parasites
step it up fampai

>>33491776
I can't imagine the suit moving fast and having these snowshoe things

>>33491552
T b h I'm worried about the unters getting their hands on it and using it to overthrow their masters or that shit mutating and going rogue.

>>33490080
>each letter printed on his chest has exactly one small splotch of ink weathered away, all in the same shape

only thing that gives it away. this is god-tier CGI

>>33491552
What would-be ethnic cleansers don't realize is that with genetic manipulation becoming more and more easy to use, other people who don't like them will likely also be developing such a weapon as well.

It will probably end up being another layer of MAD, don't virus me and I won't virus you, etc.

>>33490080
>What is the counter to military exoskeletons?

Cleansing flame.
IED
Microwave
WP
High velocity AP from distance (snipers)
Arty

And of course.....mud.


In essence we are talking about a Mongol Vs heavy knight scenario.

Winner stands off and moves rapidly encircling and removing slow moving heavy threat.


They would have to be accompanied by light infantry to function.

There is nothing new in warfare. Nothing.

>>33491776
Snow shoes and similar platforms don't stop the wearer from sinking, just from sinking as far as they would otherwise. They also take a severe toll on speed, stamina, and balance.

>>33491764
I was thinking more like dry quicksand or fech fech mixed with something like an engineered diatomaceous earth (used for organic insect control because it allegedly gets between the joints of an exoskeleton, tearing up both the shell and the meat beneath).

>>33491946
People wearing powered exoskeletons can still run Anon, in fact they can run at the same speed but carry quite a lot more weight.

>>33491948
>Snow shoes and similar platforms don't stop the wearer from sinking

They can, it only depends on their surface area. Bigger ones can avoid sinking at progressively lower traversal speeds, eventually being able to avoid it while stationary, once the ground pressure goes below the sand/mud's 'sink pressure'

>>33491552
I like the way you just assume that whomever would do such a thing would accept you as one of their own.

>>33491983
So the wearer either stands still or builds a walking surface as he goes? Great idea. Soldiers who stand still in a kill area totally live longer than otherwise.

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>>33490368
>Just give them an umbilical cord, it's a flawless plan imo

>>33492023
No you doofus

Look, take a sharpened pencil and drop it point-down through a sheet of toilet paper. It goes through. Take an unsharpened one and do that, it gets stopped

>>33491740

Agreed, Ive always seen exoskeletons (in the near future anyway) being relegated as a squad level tool that gets strapped onto a vic until its needed. Probably with a moderately armored front (.50 cal etc) and heavy lifting capacity. They grab the Mk19/M2 off of a vic, and are able to *safely utilize it to cover the rest of the squad. Alternatively it could be used by the pointman in a doorkicking situation. He's the first one through the funnel with some sort of autoloading shotgun/rifle of choice, and takes the risk of being the first one in while functioning as a mansized-fully-armed ballistic shield. But again, only brought out when the situation called for it.

Other than that, rear echelon/POG shit. Having one exosuit without any armor could conceivably cut a howitzers crew in half.

>>33492099
I remember some burgerstani military suit talking about how they wanted exosuits to be used on squad leaders to decrease the mortality rate, especially in room entries

Powered exoskeletons will primarily be useful for rescue tasks such as firefighting or getting people out of razed buildings. In those situations you can use cords rather than batteries.

Oh and as a medical device to give mobility back to crippled people.

>>33491970
>People wearing powered exoskeletons can still run Anon, in fact they can run at the same speed but carry quite a lot more weight.


Mud.

Ain't happening unless they are nuclear powered.

>>33490080
IEDs, Land mines, Cutting supply lines. The battery technology isn't there yet so I assume they would eat fuel/powercells/whatever like a motherfucker.

>>33492310
You know the thing about batteries? They contain a lot of energy.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzvJnBF-V0g

If you carried batteries with enough energy to supply powered armor for hours on end, I don't think it'd be very nice if a bullet hit one of them

>>33492158
>Oh and as a medical device to give mobility back to crippled people.
Fat epidemic on the run again

>>33490080
.50 caliber heavy machine guns, canister projectiles, artillery, cluster munitions, artillery delivered cluster munitions, landmines, the list goes on.

>>33491383
Oxygen levels were different

>>33492136
>making SL's an even bigger target than they already are

In that case why not give them to shithead LTs that noone likes.

>>33490080
>ctrl + f
>magnets
>0 results

>>33492354
That pun works on many levels.

>>33492170
>But dude, mud
I dun get it, you think mud will sieze the servos or what?

>>33492353
At one time they considered the usage of unpresurized fuel cells, I wonder if that went nowhere too...

>>33492099
pretty much this. I think the first combat mechs we see will be like a primitive version of those described in star ship troopers(book). 8-9ft tall heavily up armored gorillas. They'll probably be kept in a modified APC with a charging station on board and 1-3 suits. Just small enough to navigate an average sized building, heavily up armored and very strong but not particularly quick. There job will be to move in ahead of infantry during building clearing and when hitting fortified or built up positions, being the tip of the spear and taking the brunt of enemy resistance with infantry elements providing support. Likely to be hermetically sealed(blast pressure concerns), equipped with multiple layers of armor and shrunk down reactive defenses for handling incoming rockets/grenades. Probably armed with a couple LMGs or GPMG and/or maybe a traditionally crew served weapon.

Functionally i think they'll work as a quick reaction force thats supplemental to armored groups working in tandem with infantry.

1. infantry locates multiple threats in fortified building in an urban setting, engages enemy from distance and calls for mechs.

2. Mechs roll up and hop out of modified APC, providing covering fire with is autocannon and or smoke capabilities. may even work as rolling cover under certain situations. could also drive up and deploy right by building if they have no Anti armor.

3. Mechs physically breach wall by pushing/punching hole in it, then move room to room clearing the building. They will be immune to almost all small arms fire due to heavy armoring(weight is little concern), unable to be killed by gas, extremely resistant to explosives and blast pressure. For that matter they will be able to use HE with relative impunity in regards to friendly fire, and likely be able to coordinate fire from the supporting infantry and APC/IFV with information sharing capabilities, essentially painting targets to be engaged from outside the building.

>>33491383

Oxygen levels went up after the carboniferous, stayed relatively high during the mesozoic era and then dropped drastically after the extinction event 63 ma ago.

Oxygen is low as fuck compared to dino times.

Why does wcery fucking retard always think that power armor is about making the soldier a walking tank and not about letting you carry all your body armor, ammo, and gear without getting tired and ducking your knees

>>33492609
why? because usage of mechs will greatly reduce collateral damage compared to leveling a building, while allowing the options of physically confirming the KIA or capturing enemies for intel. sometimes buildings need cleared and this will make such a business much safer.

To crack one you'll likely have to:

1. burn it for a significant period of time (assuming a significant layer of thermal protection)

2. Hit it with current or last gen HEAP munitions of some sort, that can bypass ERA and perhaps other forms of anti AP protection( that neato stand off grating and laser come to mind). which is relatively unlikely unless fighting against first worlders, which is not the strong suite of the mech. they're best employed against technologically inferior but still dangerous enemies(ex insurgents).

3. immobilize and cut it open.

4. gravity trap. this will probably be the designs major weakness. nail a carpet over a hole in the floor and you may have a mobility killed mech thatll take a crane or vehicle to recover.

>>33492677
Because being invulnerable to small arms is about a thousand times more useful

>>33492681
Self-driving cars right now can instantly recognize an incoming crash and swerve to avoid, I'm sure any exosuit would have software that automatically backpedals if it detects a 'false footfall'

>>33492049
Shitcan the attitude you ignorant fuck. Unless you can point out how this post >>33491983 does anything but further define this post >>33491948, you have just wasted everyone's time. Is English just not your first language or are you legitimately retarded?

>>33492609
Didn't think of the data link aspect

With the recent success of the F35 at the last red flag I see that becoming an increasingly important aspect of modern warfare. Having a suit with serving as a real time on the ground spotter for heavier assets is a huge benefit even if they're not directly engaging enemies

>>33492525
No. The extra effort required to move a non tracked vehicle over something like mud will drain the shit out of any conventional battery.

>>33490163
yeah, with enough strength you would take out the pilot aswell as the exo-shell, complete brain and heart shut down,

>>33490142
>Suicide bombing is pretty much the only cost-effective option

what are mortars + more mortars

>>33490163
How in the world will you generate an EMP

>>33490194
crispr is either going to kill humanity off, or turn us into gods

>>33492849
EPFCG I guess he meant. But then, why not just make a bigger fucking bomb?

>>33492735
Yup, think directional mikes will soon be incorporated on a squad level too(decades before mechs). that plus a HUD would make it possible to almost instantly triangulate enemy fire and provide weapons specific firing resolutions.

>>33492690
It's also not practical

>>33490080
lots of magnets.

>>33490163
EMP is irrelevant. if it was big enough to make things blow out, we would be burned to a fucking crisp and cities would be glass. shit is heavily, heavily shielded in designs and construction. otherwise we wouldnt be able to make cellphone calls, use wifi, or listen to radio.

you can hear a car with RF interference on the plugwires with the cars stereo.

>>33490080
flag is backwards.
fag is retreating, and therefore irrelevant

>>33492954
not him but: How so? man portable plating can already stop the vast majority of small arms used by non technologically advanced groups. if weight isn't a concern then you can carry more armor, and varieties of armor that may be heavier but more effective than lightweight man portable alternatives

>>33490291
So yeah an adeptus astartes.

>>33491016
Heat sensing and ground- penetrating HUD.

The central problem with armor is that it will always be easier to break shit than keep shit together. Directing energy into matter is much simpler than producing matter that doesn't buckle from energy.

In other words, the more armor you build, the more you're betting against someone with a kinetic force multiplier (primarily, explosives) that wants to test it out.

We see this already with tanks in the middle east, when not applied to the battlefield correctly they melt like butter from ATGWs, IEDs, It doesn't matter how much mass you slap on something, breaking is easier than building. Even a hypothetical exoskeleton would be wasted carrying more weight for the purpose of protection - either make a man faster or give him more guns, he's not standing up to bombs no matter what you do

>but muh riot armor
Could also be defeated by explosives, which are relatively uncommon in domestic police work. Additionally, since the people wearing these suits are easily supplied with reinforcements, the issue of weight and ergonomics is far lesser than in a battle situation.

>>33491762
.22 ratshot you mean

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>>33492609
>>33492681
>why do all that when you could have a humanoid robot literally made of hardened electronics and composite spaced armor instead
>why make a humanoid robot when you could make a non humanoid multi legged/tracked robot that could traverse terrain at highway speeds with universal mounting points for shit like self loading mortars, grenade rifles SAM and TOW missiles, light-heavy machineguns,
>why make a non humanoid robot when you can literally make a swarm of flying hand grenades with guns on them
>why make a swarm of flying hand grenades with guns on them when you can make postage stamp sized flying semtex charges that can daisy chain with each other to cut through building supports or sever a mans spine/send a shaped explosive charge through a mans rifle plate/heart

the problem with exosuit tech is that if we had the technology to effectively produce it, the same technology would be far more effective applied to a different concept to satisfy the same goal. If we can build SADF chappie robots that can datalink with a few special kruger type agents why bother with conventional infantry at all. You could start a USARMY xbox720 game that livelinks to the damn things and let shitposting 12 year olds blast hajis in durkadurkastan for $60 a copy.

Why bother with a humanoid robot at all when you could just design an entire hunter killer robotic arm of US ground forces incorporating AI backup human controlled tankette spiderbots flanked by several sizes/roles of flying drone?

>>33492170
Portable fusion

>>33493142
Or the camera man is

>>33493297
>You could start a USARMY xbox720 game that livelinks to the damn things and let shitposting 12 year olds blast hajis in durkadurkastan for $60 a copy.

GOTY Idea.

>>33492902

The FUTURE SOLDIER MURRICA FUCK YEAH part of me is excited as fuck about all this stuff. But the "GOVERNMENT GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEE" part of me is concerned. Hopefully if its our turn to be the black pyjama dudes we can figure out ways around this. Maybe fused noisemakers that mimic the appropriate sounds?

Future war is terrifying even on this very simple immediate level. Hell its terrifying on a current level with 23/25 JDAMs dropped from altitude that consistently hit 1ft from the target (those that missed were due to weapons malfunctions, not targeting).

Something something wolverines

It just needs to be the late 80s again... the most /fa/ period of warfare.

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>>33493297
>>why make a swarm of flying hand grenades with guns on them when you can make postage stamp sized flying semtex charges that can daisy chain with each other to cut through building supports or sever a mans spine/send a shaped explosive charge through a mans rifle plate/heart

>>33493343
>Maybe fused noisemakers that mimic the appropriate sounds?
literally a shitload of portable blutooth speakers like people kept putting on HWND to play shadilay

>>33493343
make something that scaters timers and blastic caps everywhere

>>33493262

The idea being that prior to whatever powered armor ends up being, it will be infinitely more concealable/maneuverable than an IFV/MBT. A tank needs to be THICC because it A. cant move quickly, and B. is facing shit like other tanks. Currently (and presumably into the near future) infantry arent carrying around things like .50BMG. Thus, the presence of an armored suit that can take that is a tank in a building, but that tank can run/reposition wherever it needs to be, utilizing man-sized cover, instead of slowly and blindly moving around tank-sized cover. Much like people, powered armor wont need to be resistant to everything it comes up against, because like the people its emulating it can utilize natural terrain

>>33493262
You're right anon, why do we even bother with body armor, or armor on tanks, or armor on planes, or boats? There's no point, right? We should just junk the armor and make them all mobile, because clearly armor is useless.

Oh, except the better armored you are, the less likely you are to encounter an enemy/trap which is powerful enough to defeat your armor.

Future infantry in heavy armor with a comparable speed to contemporary infantry will be more effective in combat, since you now force your enemy to carry improved firepower. Which will likely be more expensive, heavier, and complex.

microwave transmitters, or the magnetron from your microwave oven put into a horn antenna.

>>33493384
*scatters timers and blastic caps everywhere.

like or like a bunch of model rockets with fire crackers.

>ambush happens
>enemy doesn;t know where you are cause, a bunch of decoy gunshots go off

>>33493394
>A tank needs to be THICC because it A. cant move quickly, and B. is facing shit like other tanks
You've just demonstrated that you know nothing about MBTs

>>33493396
The armor we place on these are to minimize damage from incidental attacks - rifle rounds will still break armor, explosives will still destroy armored vehicles. The idea is to compartmentalize damage such that the unit still functions. It will not stand up to dedicated attacks.

Provided you do create an armor system that defeats existing commonly-encountered explosives, you're only going to hold that advantage for as long as a bigger bomb isn't built. You do understand how quickly ATGW were developed following the production of the first tanks, right?

>>33493297
>Why bother with a humanoid robot at all when you could just design an entire hunter killer robotic arm of US ground forces incorporating AI backup human controlled tankette spiderbots flanked by several sizes/roles of flying drone?

Why not just cut all that out and let's just have flying drones of doom controlled by a guy with a laptop (on a secure channel of course).

>>33493396
>Future infantry in heavy armor with a comparable speed to contemporary infantry will be more effective in combat, since you now force your enemy to carry improved firepower. Which will likely be more expensive, heavier, and complex.
If the war is asymmetrical then nobody cares to gun you down face to face and your issue is with bombs, ATGWs, and other attacks of considerable advantage. Not minute-to-minute.

If your war is symmetrical, then it's not going to bother them to match your weapons and armament.

>>33493297
Now this is podracing!

>>33493394
any western power would just start issuing squad level recoilless rifles or develop a HEAP guided munition for their standard grenade launcher if their primary geopolitical enemies started issuing power armor en masse. The dune coons would literally just keep doing business as usual with snipers and IEDs since a guy with a PTRS-41 would pop a exosuit and overpressure from your typical wired howitzer shell will still kill it's occupant

>>33493396
>a giant logistics boondoggle is worth it if we can slightly increase our already pretty fucking stellar casualty survival rate
het

LV IV rifle plate already protects everything worth protecting. your standard IOTV is why so few US casualties from small arms fire end up as battlefield deaths. there's a reason why military exoskeletons are being designed around the idea of keeping people from getting fucked up knees, not becoming master chief

>>33493442
>you're only going to hold that advantage for as long as a bigger bomb isn't built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYZAXb96aVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SIBSGel314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-dwKoNb8E0&list=PLrOLyckCioT_PLxJT6r5RYcDoNq4IEi96

That's the point. At some point, it'll be impractical to have a bomb that big. But then you have the problem of smart bombs.

But I agree, sheer raw armor isn't the only solution. Shit like Active Defense and reactive explosives (be it explosive or not).

If there's one thing the Jews got right, it's the Merkava's Trophy system.

>>33490142
Amazon drones and cellphone c-4?

>>33493487
>At some point, it'll be impractical to have a bomb that big
And by the point you get there, all you'll have done is wasted tons of money building armor that keeps getting blown up.

Remember that for decades everyone's answer to nukes was to build more nukes. It wasn't until relatively recently that we decided that actually stopping nukes from hitting us was a better idea than digging out mountains and building more nukes.
Arms race development mentality is retarded, frankly. I agree that proactive solutions like ERA are a better use of everyone's time and money, but it's not exactly man-portable and doesn't really need to be. As has been pointed out, casualty rates in the field are pretty well under control, for the time being.
The things that are killing people are attacks of advantage, you can't realistically plan around them much more than has been. The Army's new MRAAP vehicles are a decent step, but it's just going to lead to the development of newer, bigger or more advantageous bombs.

>>33493487
>That's the point. At some point, it'll be impractical to have a bomb that big.
you get to "at some point, it is literally fucking impossible to make that much armor fit on the 2-3 square meters of surface area of an adult human necessary to stop that man portable maguffin the enemy is now issuing at the patrol level" much, much, much, MUCH faster.

to stop a 40mm shaped charge you'd need 5" of conventional armor
HESH would also shit all over any amount of armor you could put on a human frame
as would pretty much any recoilless rifle
as would the last 100 years of anti tank/anti material rifles with the proper ammo

>>33493460
>If the war is asymmetrical
You do understand that was is asymmetrical partly BECAUSE of superior firepower and/or armor, right?

>If your war is symmetrical, then it's not going to bother them to match your weapons and armament.
So I ask again, why do we bother with any kind of armor at all? Hell, why do we even bother with modern weaponry? Let's just send a bunch of naked dudes in with knives and keep war cheap.

>>33493476
Here's a crazy thought, perhaps this "giant logistics boondoggle" [citation needed] can, in addition to reducing deaths, reduce casualties, keeping forces more effective for longer periods of time?

> there's a reason why military exoskeletons are being designed around the idea of keeping people from getting fucked up knees
The reason is baby steps. Once the knee problem is solved, you bet your ass we'll see heavier weaponry and heavier armor.

>Provided you do create an armor system that defeats existing commonly-encountered explosives, you're only going to hold that advantage for as long as a bigger bomb isn't built

It's almost as if human history has been a giant arms race. I don't understand what you're implying, drop out of the arms race because eventually someone will come up with something to defeat your latest toy?

>>33490080
Uhm, bullets? That armor doesn't look any tougher than what exists now.

>>33493564
>It's almost as if human history has been a giant arms race
it's almost like the entirety of human history's arms races have ended in the weapon beating the armor and the decline of armor.

>having to build, store, maintain, have spare parts and technicians in the field, train, power, and recharge/refuel exosuits
>that don't fit or work with any previously designed military equipment or vehicles that will still be in service for years if not decades to come
>to do the job an IOTV does an order of magnitude more expensively/be the worlds shittiest LAV replacement
>not a massive fucking logistical boondoggle for a negligible result

anything you think a masterchief power armor guy can do, a light armored vehicle with a light/heavy/grenade machinegun that can drive 70 mph, withstand all small arms fire and some heavy weapons, have a literal pallets worth of ammo inside it, and can transport soldiers and evacuate wounded does infinitely better
>but muh breaching
Because the equivalent of a half ton pickup stepping on a wood floor over a basement in a home made of camel shit or rebarless concrete will work perfectly

>>33490606
>SOMEBODY DEBATE ME ON THIS SHIT, GODDAMNIT!

Peltier effect thermocouples are incredibly inefficient. They only make sense where size is at a premium, you can't have moving parts, or you need very low noise. Heating/cooling car seats makes sense since there's plenty of excess power to put into leveraging a thermocouple. If you're drawing from a battery it better be large.

>>33493554
>5" of conventional armor to stop 40mm

Elaborate. Most sane nations don't use RHA.

As for HESH, I'm pretty sure the sheer force of getting hit with a round of that type would decimate a person (assuming we're talking about anywhere from man portable rocket launchers up to 125mm.)

Please note I just entered the conversation (the post you're replying to).

The major issue with exosuits is power.

it's possible we might be able to push the power density of batteries enough using graphene or solid state lithium ion batteries to be reasoably useful, but that tech's not mature yet.

>>33493297
reasons why:

A. remote controlled robots can:

1. be jammed.
2. require reduced attention unless operated at a 1:1 ratio by an operator
3. are operated by somebody somewhere else introducing the possibility of latency and necessity of decreased situational awareness(looking at cam feed isnt the same as being in the room).
4. require higher amounts of automation and less tactile feedback for simple tasks than sensor input based mechs(ex walking, opening doors, grabbing a prisoner instead of squishing them, etc)
5. automation of tasks introduces unique ethical issues.
6.non humanoid robots tend to have difficulty with certain common human specific tasks and offer less versatility than humanoid type robots in many situations like climbing stairs, dealing with highly irregular terrain, climbing, or punching their way through a wall.

in closing while i feel some techs like what you mentioned will be developed, probably even before humanoid exosuites. i think that a humanoid exosuite will definitely be developed at some point because at its basic level it allows most of the benefits of having an actual soldier on the ground while adding the benefits of enhanced firepower and survivability. besides, people are reticent to give up there place in the field IMHO, even if it isnt the most 'effective' choice.

>>33491219
We /darkestdungeon/ now

>>33493761

actually fucked up on that, thought it was 3x diameter. it's actually 7.

generally a shaped charge utilizing the munroe effect will result in a hypersonic jet of liquid metal capable of cutting roughly about ~7x the diameter of the charge through armor depending on efficiency of the design/explosive compound/waveshaper/liner metal(what becomes the jet/projectile)

40mm=1.5748=~11" penetration in armor grade steel

the idea of putting 11" of armor (or even 5ish of a modern composite or DU or etc.) on the torso, let alone the arms, legs, and head of a exosuit to stop a 40mm grenade launched shaped charge projectile is literally impossible while maintaining a humanoid shape/size. Even if you could pare down the physical volume through composite armor.

And you're never going to be able to put reactive armor, the most/only really effective armor against Kinetic penetrators and shaped charges but is literally counter explosives strapped to the outside of a tank, on a powerarmor guy; he'd probably die from it's own overpressure and kill everyone around him to boot.

>>33493538
>wasted tons of money building armor that keeps getting blown up

Except a lot of stuff can survive getting blown up now. Most materials are far superior than that of WW2 and before.

>ERA
There's actually a lot of counters to that nowadays. Ironically NERA actually is a pretty good counter counter.

The arms race shouldn't necessarily be about size so much as design.

Like I said here (must've missed your post), >>33493761 , I just joined in.

Honestly exoskeletons shouldn't be treated as a vehicle so much as improved gear.

>>33493925
way to assume

>no active defenses
>single plate of flat armor as opposed to multilayered or spaced/angled armor
>no stand off distance effecting defenses( like that glorified chicken wire thats common on any armored vehicle these days
>no change in armor tech over the next 20-30yrs before minimechs or exosuites are even possible let alone likely

>>33493870
and we could build them today with those issues
or without any of those issues (minus "moral" fearmongering) by the time we get to the point a full armored exoskeleton is possible

which goes back to the point
>if we could build exosuits we could build shit that would be better than exosuits

also
>robots controlled by humans
>if that connection is jammed they go to a default AI control that is indiscriminate and does not differentiate between targets
argument is that it is a weapon in and of itself, not making a kill decision anymore that a guided bomb is.
>enemy doesn't try to jam your robots

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>>33493925
I just joined, so something tells me someone was going full on space marine.

But yeah, getting hit with a 40mm HEAT round is probably gonna end anyone's day.

Also there is NERA (non-explosive reactive armor), which acts a counter for tandem charges. Fairly light compared to ERA. 'course that's light for a tank relatively speaking.

Again, the sheer force of getting hit with a large charge would be devastating to a human, so exoskeletons really shouldn't be treated as vehicle armor.

>>33490194

>knows about crispr
>calls genes dna codes

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>>33490194

>hey guys let's put somethings eyes where its legs should be
>why
>to see if we can
>ok, it's not like that's disturbingly fucked up or anything

>>33493973
>>33493925
>>33493554
>>33493538
>>33493442
>>33493396
>>33493262
Just curious, how heavy are we talking about exoskeleton?

40 to 60 lb range or in excess of 100?

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>>33493973
>yfw spaced armor actually makes shaped charges more effective

I mocked up a quick sketch of your composite spaced armor covered exosuit using anti rocket netting. He can't bend his arms or legs because y'know.... volume but he sure is safe in there I'm sure overpressure won't ever be a problem and that no one will make a smallarm APFSDS

>>33494020
the armor alone to cover a whole human if you just went for LV IV steel rifle plate would be more than half a ton.

a standard darpa exoskeleton with no onboard power source is already several hundred pounds.

for composite non explosive reactive armor capable of actually stopping heavy machinegun fire and explosives? literally too much volume for it to look or move like a human unless you start scaling up into fucking gundams.

>>33490080
Things would trend towards smaller higher velocity projectiles.
Pistols would go tawards 5.7x28 and the likes while 5.56 and 5.45 would start to become phased out with even lighter higher velocity shit (imagine a .170 NATO) or go towards 6.5 type calibers and ultra-hard ultra dense projectiles (depleted uranium cores and tungsten jackets for instance)

Combat would continue like it does today but with far less time between firefights and probably larger amounts of participants (if drones don't fuck everything out of the map)

In all reality aside from a few special examples it will probably become more of a police thing for hostage rescue or SWAT teams because of drones.
BUT BARRING DRONES IT'LL PROBABLY GO AS PREVIOUSLY STATED.

Acid gels, with ranged ap. Duck their optics and sensors up and they're spam.

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>>33490142
>Muslims blow up exoskeleton
>There's nothing in it

>They realise they're just fighting skeletons

>>33494000
it's a fly
they deserve suffering, or else god wouldn't allow us to do this

>>33494087
Pretty sure youd just want it on the chest/back. maybe head and thighs/upper arms with spaces for articulation of the forearms. good luck specifically targeting a leg or arm lol. also im talking like an 8-9ft tall armored gorilla without necessarily 1:1 human proportions.

>>33494020
Im talking full on robert heinlein prototype probably 1000lbs + and just small enough to awkwardly force/crush its way through a doorway.

>>33490080
Would assume the man inside couldn't withstand steel core 30-06 M2 AP many of us keep around for nuclear war in event we ever needed to use our M1 Garand over our preferred AR-15 loaded with M855. I seriously have hundreds of rounds of both, would timestamp if others here couldn't verify the same thing, very common stuff on GunBroker and gun shows. Can't imagine this guy not being killed pretty fast even by old stuff that's been around 50 years, especially if sniped through his goggles.

>>33493837
Solar satellites in geo-sync orbit beaming microwave power to small man-portable receivers. It's going to happen.

>>33494250
>good luck specifically targeting a leg or arm lol
>not always aiming for the dick
>not aiming for the dick with your HEAP to get a mobility kill to the leg/pelvis/dick
>Not flying by wire your mini TOW right into the face of the dick in powerarmor

>9ft tall
so a shitty tank

gundam are a tactical and strategic full fucking retard

>>33490080
ied
big magnet
ied with a big magnet

>>33494000
I HAVE NO MOUTH BUT I MUST SQUEAK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPiF4-iu6g

>>33492849
a nuke...like in mw3

>>33490517
Why do Indian's in India speak better English that the Indian's in Canada / USA? Seriously.

>>33490194
>>33490631

It kinda looks like they fucked up somewhere..

In the 194 image, its lacking a mouth and other parts,, its exoskeleton is also buggered.

In the 631 image, the mouth on the modified fly looks like its naturally prolapsed, disfigured, and has a 3rd leg trying to grow on it.


Freaky shit.

But, on the other hand, I would have loved to have another functioning set of arms (like those aliens on Grey Goo), those would be so handy in the workplace.

>>33491145
>>33491249
>>33492428

What if you genetically modify the super spiders to have elephant sized lungs / bellows to move the oxygen around within its exoskeleton?

>>33490889
>WW3 will be like Gary's Mod gone insane
Can't wait

20 foot heavy armoured bipedal roller mechs

>>33491740
The true benefit of powered armor is the power, rather than the armor (which is still nice).

Imagine having a sensor-fusion system that incorporates PVS-20-style multi-spectral video, direct-finding microphones (with shot detection and tracing capabilities, which have already been fielded), and can interpolate and display BFT and other imagery from your POV. Add in a LSAT-based weapon with a smart scope (e.g., TrackingPoint with another 5-10 years of development), and lightweight guided weapons (like Pike). Top it off with the ability to call in fire quickly, safely, and efficiently.

Now, throw in the ability to wear comparatively heavy armor, possibly even sealed with overpressure (for NBC), and run at up to Olympic speeds over pretty much any terrain while humping 72 hours of supplies, with little exertion.

Yeah, the Armor is nice... but the Power to run all of those other systems is what makes it special.

>>33492541
That would likely use methanol as the fuel, which isn't so bad; a contaminant would need to be added, though, to make the flames visible so that you'd know it was on fire.

a car. hit them with one. no armor can defeat physics yet.

>>33494783
M8 not every battleground is a perfectly flat European plaza.

>>33490700
But a human can outfight a dog one on one.

>>33494801
Ehh, not consistently unless they have a weapon and know what they're doing.

>>33490194
Yeah, fucking with homeobox genes is fun. Figuring out how, exactly, they work is not.

>>33494815
maybe if you're 5'5 120 lb like you

>>33490080
Dinosaurs.

>>33491915
Holy shit I thought it was just a costume

>>33493003
Hell, just pull up to a stoplight. The electrical wire overhead, and the sensor coils underneath are enough to diminish even a strong station

>>33492704
Yeah, like the shit we use to detect tunnels underground. Use an algorithm based on the density of the floor and it's thickness to identify places you can't traverse

They will unlikely ever see deployment overseas due to high costs. Congress would rather let ten oldiers that cost them ~1mm each to train and retain die off than lose 3 suits that cost ~5mm each.

Even if they were deployed, their primary use would be as heavy weapons platforms that had limited performance times in the field. They would be almost useless in a light infantry role, and redundant in an armored infantry role. In a pitched battle they could see some use with shock troops, but heavy ordinance would put a stop to them rapidly as would anything involving white phosphorous which would rapidly become more common on the battle field as a counter.

Now domestically I could see police using them to replace or supplement SWAT teams. Outside of that their use is limited. I could see a quasi-rangers unit that relies on rapid infil and exfil utilizing such a thing in certain circumstances, but I don't see it as justifying the procurement in budgetary committee unless the corporation making them has some serious lobbying capability.

>>33490080
It doesnt look so tough desu, how good is this against currently existing shitskin guns like aks anyways?

Also whatever happened to those weaponized doggo robots that were advertised to be capable of sprinting while firing turret mounted machine guns?

>>33493297
WHERE'S THE SPORT IN THAT

>>33495300
If you're wearing a double layer suit of XSAPI, you can consider yourself practically invulnerable to 7.62 and 5.45. It wouldn't protect you against an anti materiel round, but I guess that means its "not tough".

>>33495284
Socom is very actively pursuing them. Cost benefit makes a hell of a lot more sense with top tier units.

Your right about grunts though, until it trickles down.

>>33490817
>75 mm for light cover and thin armor

I want to know what kind of light cover and thin armor you're trying to punch through that you need a 3 inch gun.

>>33495347

It takes years to train SOF. CCTs, PJs, and I think SF take about 2 years to train. Rangers, SEALs, and Force Recon take about 1. That's before upgrade training. They'd probably pay a pretty penny to keep these guys alive and up their operational capacity.

Problem is that aside from low drag DA I don't see exoskeletons having the battery life or cooling capacity to function in the field.

>>33490080
literally use old school russian AAA shit
>truck
>add bofors or oerlikon
>maybe some 3/8ths steel to semi-protect the crew
>zip around autocannoning exofags
and if it all goes to shit
>detonate the 200lbs of ANFO in the bed

>>33490517
Peltier units are extremely inefficient. Like 5-10% efficient. Also, they have to dump the heat somewhere, they don't just create cold out of electricity.

>Foreign power discovers weaknesses in the extensive electronics and communications suite integrated into the suit through espionage
>Develops malware tailored to attack it and a means of infection
>Sells it to the enemy side during a conflict it wants to see go tits up for us

Probably something like that. I'd like to think that Congress and the Pentagon would keep the suit's systems closed and simple enough to avoid vulnerability to this sort of attack, but we all know that they won't be able to resist shit like strategic HUD displays that feed battlefield data back and forth through overly exposed comm channels.

>Exoskeletons are first and foremost just a big walking frame that carries the weight of your pack for you, while as a secondary concern potentially allowing you to use heavier plates in your carrier
>Anime nerds on /k/ expect me to believe that this will make contemporary bullets, RPGs and IEDs obsolete
Well use the same shit we use today, powered armor as you understand it from your video games isn't happening in our lifetimes

>>33495411
even if it stops standard small arms, just give it a few mk19 or m2 bursts and it's fucking done
it's just
>hey we gave you more strength and stamina
>FUCKIN SWEET, THANKS GUBMINT
>you need to carry more shit now, but at least your armor is level 4
>also fuck you, you're still getting the same guns

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>>33490080
Why do all these renders of power armor always have this stupid overly greebled look to them? All those little panel lines serve no purposes. I hate those overlapping little plates that look like broken glass. I hate all the exposed wires and motors. I hate that shit is just strapped on with no thought other than tacticool. The first retard to say all those pointless bits and bobs is any way comparable to this plate armor deserves nothing less than a suppository full of battery acid.

>>33490080
Magnets

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>>33491145
Not only no, but fuck no. Knowing there are Spiders that are the size of my hand is enough to give me a panic attack.

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>>33490080
Engineered bioweapons

>>33491180
>He doesn't know what the Russians did in the 80s

>oh no, people, wearing metal
>well guys looks like we can't kill them
>what is napalm

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>>33495007
I'd pay money to see some 6'4" 250 lb guy fight off a Tibetan mastiff with his bare hands.

>>33495347
And socom is almost exclusively interested in the heavy load capacity of exos due to how SF teams operate.

>>33495467
actually, I think combat engineers, artillery and motor-t units would be very interested in exos, given the natures of those jobs.
think about it, a mechanic, artilleryman, or engineer with increased strength and stamina, in an extremely strenuous job? the military would cream their pants.

>>33492758
No it won't

So...how realistic are exo-sceletons like these right now?
How many years until we might see something like in Crysis, CoD or Titanfall?

>>33495430
>A greeble or nurnie is a fine detailing added to the surface of a larger object that makes it appear more complex, and therefore more visually interesting.
Huh, learn a new word everyday.

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>>33490517
I worked with Peltier plates on multiple occasions. They are terribly inefficient, and would require massive heatsinks/radiators to cool a person appreciably. Even then, actually cooling the person with them requires a way to diffuse heat into the cold side, or you'll freeze them at -40 Fahrenheit.

If anything breaks they heat up to 400 degrees and cook the person in the suit in about a minute, while using an absolutely insane amount of power.

>mfw a 1.5"×1.5" device uses 16V and 4A at it's highest efficiency, before degrading massively as heat difference increases

>>33495483
As of right now, complete fiction.
>Crysis
Probably never unless actively self-repairing fibers become a thing
>CoD
Decades
>or Titanfall
Never.

>>33495516
Yeah, kinda expected that one.

>Titanfall
>never
I mean the suit the humans wear, not the huge mechs, I know full well the mechs are complete fiction.

>>33495535
Long long time. Its closest counterpart would probably be the Martin Jetpack, which is massive compared little kidney rig thing on the pilot suit.

>>33495516
>So...how realistic are exo-sceletons like these right now?
Cord-powered skeletons are realistic even right now and would be useful for some tasks (not combat).

>How many years until we might see something like in Crysis, CoD or Titanfall?
The issue big issue is power. If artificial muscles (like thousands of little accordions made from electroreactive polymers) and extremely performance power banks like graphene capacitors are further developed and made cheaper it could be possible.

I think the primary combat use, if any, will be to carry (not fire) mortars and such around on foot.

>>33494297
it's fake
at least that's what I heard and what's letting me sleep at night

>>33495463
All hair, a few sharp kicks would suffice

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>>33490142
And if they don't miss then the exo operator is now dead. Barring that, an RPG would be a soldier killer fast. A lot of terrorist groups have them out the ass. Not to mention vehicle mines and IEDS. I mean, it's just a soldier in an armored suit really. You have to upscale it and up-armor it to avoid small arms fire issues. And then you get to the issue of being even more vulnerable to explosives.

The best suit would be more of a small pilotable mech, if you were to insist on using power armor. Less vulnerable to anti armor weapons, hopefully quick enough to move at infantry pace or quicker, nearly if not entirely immune to small arms. aides from that, exosuits would have to be fitted to different size soldiers. A vehicle could be one size fits all, within reason. Further, the HUD you mentioned on small armor would be basic, if it was even there. A larger suit could host a literal targeting system and plenty of back up systems alongside redundant safeties. Get sprayed with a .50 in the heavy armor? Replace damaged parts, patch up holes, get back out there. Small exo armor? Make a new suit, train a new soldier, send out a "we're sorry for the loss" card signed with an autopen.

Even the heavy suit has problems though. You run into the unbalanceable triangle of Money, Weight, And Survivability. Want it as light as possible and built strongly? Gonna be very expensive. Want to save money and keep people alive? Gonna be heavy. Want it to be Lightweight and cheap? Have fun scraping people out of bent tin cans. You could get all three a bit higher than normal, but that tugs on the hidden fourth variable, time.

>>33495585
>at least that's what I heard and what's letting me sleep at night
They're "just" using nerve cells as circuitry. There's no rat consciousness driving the thing.

>>33495574
Ah yes, the great Lithium-Ion bottleneck.

>>33495483
They exist, but they require banks of batteries or strapping a small IC motor to yourself.

>>33495364
Passive gravity balanced exoskeletons could preserve the backs/knees of grunts, and save billions in health care costs.

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>>33495515
Ez just power it witha truck battery

>>33495626
How long until we see Sandnigers with lawnmower on their backs?

> inb4 they don't have lawns

>>33490817
>But I think that smaller recoilless rifles need to be developed
Google 'High Impulse Weapon System'

>>33490080
I dont know what this is or where its from but i want it on my body.

>>33495669
That's not recoilless. It's a mortar with a big spring.

>>33490817
57mm M18/75mm M20/90mm M67 recoilless rifles. All exist(ed) and were/are type-classified and fielded. As is the 84mm CG. Pick one.

>>33490194
>WW3 will be fought with nukes
>WW4 will be fought with militarized minster grils
what a time to be alive

>>33495399

Against competent enemies standard Ewar stuff would fuck with datalink stuff pretty hard already. But I'd imagine the "vital" functions like locomotion and such would be sufficiently isolated.

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>Meanwhile, in the future

>>33490194
>tfw WW4 will bring /fit/ and /k/ monstergirls to existence

>>33492848
This man has it.

>>33490631
>human DNA is about 60% similar to fruit fly DNA
so is banana DNA you dumb fuck

>>33496169
I don't think it'll be long until cheap GPS-guided programmable shells become available, so any douche with an android phone can use them without artillery skills.

>>33490080

Any rifle that can fire a round with a high enough speed to penetrate. Couple of hunting rifles come to mind.

>>33491145
STOP. FUCKING STOP

Sabot rounds from 12-gauge?
I've seen some surprisingly effective hillbilly sabot rounds on Youtube. All you really need is a turning lathe.

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>>33490194
Earth was a fucking mistake

>>33491552
>>33491936
For a while Israel was working on an ethnically targeting bioweapon to use against Palestine and their other Middle Eastern enemies. In the end, they abandoned it because it turns out the jews and the arabs are very genetically similar.

Who'd have guessed it.

>>33495461
>napalm
Not a bad idea. Even if it takes a while to do any real damage, being covered in fire would definitely fuck with all their sensors, cameras, computers, batteries, etc.

>>33490700
>meanwhile even a dog who grew old for 10 years being chained to a tree will outrun a hobby runner.
Not saying much there. Sure the dog can run faster than a human can, that's the benefit of four legs. What humans have that dogs and many other animals lack is endurance and heat management. While a dog can outrun a hobby runner over short distances, there isn't a dog on the planet that can outdistance a moderately in shape hobby runner.

So what you're actually saying is we need military centaurs?

>>33493533
drones and little magnetic thermite charges

>>33496827
Even huskies? I'm skeptical.

>>33491249
This, the oxygen levels dropped hence why we don't have dinosaurs.

>>33495597
>weight
couldn't that one be solved through use of artificial muscle?
It has been invented so we're good to go on that front

>>33495463
I saw a guy herd bears with caucasian ovcharkas.

I don't think the exoskeletons will have significant armor. You might have situations where instead of a DMR rifle the same person has an exoskeleton with a 20mm rifle, FLIR, stabilization on all axis and a fire control computer compensating for wind and distance. ATGM squads can be replaced by a single person in an exoskeleton. Maybe you would see armored ones specifically for clearing indoor areas where RPGs aren't really an option.

>>33496860
>Huskies
Limiting factor for a dog's endurance is heat management. Put a husky in a climate over 40F and a chihuahua can run farther than the husky.

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>>33495597
Powered suits more as replacements for tanketts in otherwise inaccessible terrain.
I dont see them replacing them though but maybe carbon nano tubes and shit will bring non powered suits back into the race.

>>33496902
The powered suit may seem to hold its own weight for the user but for logistics you still weigh in at a ton.

>>33490142
Why would the exoskeleton cost that much? I know the R&D costs would be high, but the actually manufacturing it wouldn't cost that much.

>>33497113
$5m is probably a lowball estimate man. Think about how much it costs to build a humanoid robot. Now think about how much it costs to build one that has to function around a human and keep it alive.

>>33490194
>no bio-function problems
WW3 fought with nukes, while WW4 fought with inbred retards. War gets easier, i guess?

>>33490631
These members have no functional ability. I don't see how duct-taping a leg on the front of my chest makes me a super soldier

>>33490817
>.338 impossible to armor for
AR500 3/4"

With the power of an exosuit you could easily carry this shit all over your body

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>>33493925
>And you're never going to be able to put reactive armor
Fun fact: Russians develop reactive body armor against small arms.

Let's be real here

Let's take a current exo skeleton right now and armour it up so that it could still reasonably move and do things. And for the moment lets ignore the heat or electrical considerations.

How much more protection can it ACTUALLY provide? I'm betting it can still be shredded by light arms fire from any modern military.

>>33497210
If you stick a 1 inch target plate on someone's chest, he'll laugh off .50 BMG AP. So no, you won't be shredding him with light arms fire.

Now, the limbs on the other hand might be a problem if you want to use armor that heavy...

I for one look forward to exoskeleton solder's gunning down insurgent's with 50bmg rifle's

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>>33491145
It'd be a shame if someone happened to have a flamethrower or anything.

>>33497129
>Think about how much it costs to build a humanoid robot. Now think about how much it costs to build one that has to function around a human and keep it alive.
Yeah that's all R&D, all the existing humanoid robots and exoskeletons are beta versions at best made of custom parts that obviously cost a fuckton. Once you have a final version of your exoskeleton and a couple factories churning out parts by the thousands it will become pretty cheap.

>>33496600
I think it's time for your meds, anon.

>>33495648
Good solution, anon. Don't worry about the massive heatsink on the outside of you heated to 150 plus degrees minimum.

Gyrojets

>>33497254
why not just hit him with an RPG?

http://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armor-level-iv-composite-body-armor-10x12-9294.html

>weight: 7.5 lbs
>immune to up to .50BMG

How many of these do you reckon it would take to cover an exosuit? Even if it's 20, what's 150lbs?

>>33497148
yuo see grigor when of having extra leg gives 150% speedier

>>33490175

ears of the wolf, strength of the bear, eyes of the hawk, speed of the puma?

>>33497210
the current darpa exoskeleton could manage to carry full LV III steel armor, an M60, and about 3-5 seconds worth of ammo before exceeding it's payload capacity. thats with being attached to an industrial generator by a power tether. So ineffective and at the total mercy of any sabot armor penetrator light machinegun round.

>>33497254
>just put 1" of armor on him lol
how about you look up
A. the surface area of the human body, then account for adding a fatsuits worth of exoskeleton over it
B the weight per square inch of steel
the number you should get for total weight of armoring someone enough to still get BTFO by 50bmg SLAP should make you feel pretty fucking stupid for your whole post.

>>33497369
Because he's moving just as fast as a regular infantryman in his normal duties and you will have problems with backblast, backproblems, and fighting indoors, maybe not in that order. Only so many RPG-7s to go around too.

>>33497254
the problem is, none of these suits protect the limbs and the wearers only ever have a normal combat helmet when wearing one.
meaning, you may not kill him in the front torso, but you could blow off his arms, legs, head, or shoot him through the sides and the back, at least using an M2.
or, you could use 40mm HEDP and not have a problem at all.

>>33497480
antipersonnel RPG rounds would probably make short work of the exoskeleton if it isn't 100% armored everywhere. even a small piece of frag going into a cooling vent could fuck the operators' day up. and then you've got the rest of the team to account for, if you can kill the guy responsible for maintaining the exoskeleton you've effectively destroyed the exoskeleton.

besides, RPG-7s aren't hard to come by.
>The Taliban (in Afghanistan) have formed armored-vehicle hunter/killer teams that work together with as many as 15 RPGs to destroy armoured vehicles, aiming for a mobility kill by firing at the tracks to stop the tank from moving, then attempting to destroy the main armour while the tank is disabled.[26]

>>33497406
>m2b 30-06AP
>is 50bmg shot out of an m2
learn to read

>how much does 2 square meters of steel weigh guys
1320 lbs

>>33497473
>the number you should get for total weight of armoring someone enough to still get BTFO by 50bmg SLAP should make you feel pretty fucking stupid for your whole post.

>just use SLAP lmao

You do realize that none of them will have to worry about fire from intermediate rifles and machineguns, thus are mostly immune to suppressive fire, and will be dumping their own suppressive fire on you while you lug around a big heavy slow-firing rifle, right?

If the engagement is between a sniper and a patrol team, this might make some sense but then again the effect on the war is minimal. If the engagement is a traditional firefight between two militaries, then one side has the ability to minimize the threat from a vast majority of the enemy and will have an overwhelming numbers advantage against the remainder. Established tactics go out the window when one side no longer obeys the rules, as it always has been.

The fact that you think infantry warfare can be boiled down to just carrying the bigger gun shows how imbecilic grunts can be. At least they still can serve a purpose by eating shots meant for people trying to make a difference.

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>>33497536
>1320 lbs

How the fuck are you arriving at this figure? Are you assuming the 'exosuit' will be a perfect cube of solid steel?

This is one of the stupidest posts I have ever read on this site.

>>33497569
>How the fuck are you arriving at this figure
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=surface+area+human+body

This is one of the stupidest posts I have ever read on this site.

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>>33497593
So a human-sized suit of steel is automatically 1320 lbs, with no regard for its thickness or composition? Wow!

These guys must have been superheroes!

>>33497529
>even a small piece of frag going into a cooling vent could fuck the operators' day up
Yeah, but he's okay.

That's the point. The enemy had to use a heavy weapon for a chance at killing INFANTRY. In order to do this, he had to do several things right:

1. Be in the correct position to fire. If no ambush spot is available, he may have to run out and expose himself in order to safely fire the rocket launcher, which is its own danger.
2. Have the time and opportunity to aim and fire. This can no longer be created outside of surprise attacks by having supporting troops provide covering fire because their weapons are now ineffective. See #1.
3. Have a clear line of fire to the enemy. This typically is only going to work once in an ambush. Otherwise the opponent will not be walking out in the middle of the street to engage. This hypothetical opponent may also move at a blitz pace through buildings in order to clear them and surround the enemy because they aren't worried about what you can shoot at them indoors, so you have even less time and error margins to maneuver away.

Common theme here is surprise attacks because they are pretty much SOL if their presence is known.

>>33497692
>>Yeah, but he's okay.
i think you underestimate the amount of heat being dumped by these exoskeletons. if you're putting even 120 lbs of armor on the suit, the heat being generated by movement alone would probably be enough to fry an egg.
he's going to have to get out. quickly.

the rest of your post is just a commentary on current day infantry. there's a reason you have 8-12 guys in a squad. having a point man with a big suit of armor doesn't really change things, if it was a problem for insurgents they would just start targeting the guys without armor.

>>33497568
>You do realize that none of them will have to worry about fire from intermediate rifles and machineguns
>just strap a literal Metric Ton of MIL-A 46100 to a guy bruh then he can run around like the worlds slowest least armed and least armored LAV with almost no ammo for his dual wielded M2 browning SBRs only for loose packed sand to give him a mobility kill because he weighs so much he couldn't ride in the bed of an F150 and ground pressure is a thing

>>33497639
>knights wore 3/4" thick steel armor like in my japanese animes!
to put a man in a suit of AR500 LV 3+ protection like you suggested it would weigh at the fucking minimum not accounting for the bulk of the exosuit you also have to armor and assuming he's a manlet 1300 pounds in armor alone for multistrike capable MIL-A 46100 steel.

that will still be penetrated by 7.62x51 SLAP. Not to mention literally any explosive due to overpressure. And pretty much every heavy machinegun round and rocket grenade developed in the last 100 years.

>>33497639
He's specifically referring to using 1 inch plates which would be pretty heavy. That's for AR500 or AR550 steel target plates though, I'm sure that a ceramic or composite or even exotic material plate can be made lighter at the same level of protection (.50 BMG).

At 1320 lbs or 598.74 kg, it still seems like a very robust exo should be able to lift that. The prototypes that they are making are still pretty skinny deals with only one strut going down the outer side of each limb, the lift capacity could be doubled by having inner ones. It would probably be best to drastically cut down that weight with lighter materials than pure steel and not having a uniform thickness.

>>33497722
>if it was a problem for insurgents they would just start targeting the guys without armor.
The more common power armor becomes the better it is for everybody.

If we can stop relying on the chairforce to drop bombs on suspected insurgents every time and instead raid them with full squads in powered armor, we would have a much higher rate of capture. More captures mean more intel, which may mean being able to assault their main hideouts instead of letting them dictate the fights at their pace.

>>33497793
>>The more common power armor becomes the better it is for everybody.
until the insurgents just start firing RPG-7 rounds at literally anybody that moves. it's much easier to destroy these things than to create them.

have you considered the use of EFPs against your power armor troops? or just IEDs in general? you would think that power armor would be mostly optimized to transmit forces to the ground, and to transmit forces along natural paths of movement. if you detonate an IED 5 yards away from a guy wearing power armor, how is the suit going to cope with that force without either slamming his ribs into his pelvis or blowing half of his chest open?

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http://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armor-level-iv-composite-body-armor-10x12-9294.html

>(...) a steel level IV solution in 10" x 12" would weigh nearly 13lb's per plate.

10'' by 12'' is 774.2 square centimeters.

The surface area of the average adult male is 19,000 square centimeters according to Google.

19,000/774.2 = 24.54

That means you need 25 Level IV steel plates to cover a human completely. 25 plates * 13 lbs = 325 lbs

It takes 325 lbs of armor to make an exosuit impervious to small arms fire as powerful at 30-06 A.P. I don't think that's outside the loadbearing possibilities for an exosuit at all. Fat people's legs can handle 2x that weight.

>>33495430
Artists can't into weapons or armor except "hey that looks cool."

>>33497793
>If we can stop relying on the chairforce to drop bombs on suspected insurgents every time and instead raid them with full squads in powered armor...
and we could replace tanks with gundam and make flying magic girls dress up like A10 warthogs and F35s to replace the airforce!

>be pvt pyle of 101st meme armor division
>going to run at the enemy in your slow as shit humanoid underarmored power armor suit that limits your mobility and ability to utilize cover but at least you can hipfire an M60 with your datalink... and can't reload because of fat sausage powerarmor fingers and the fact that you can't touch your elbows together
>sarge why didn't we just take a bradley
>BECAUSE PYLE THAT WOULDN'T SATISFY THE AUTISM OF AMERICAN 12 YEAR OLDS
>run at dirt hut
>road is bomb
>fence is bomb
>door is bomb
>whole dirt hut is bomb
>suspected terrorists left hours ago via a spider hole
>those useless chiarforcers weren't on scene to notice they made a B-line into the mountains once they noticed the dust from a column of heavy duty trucks delivering the 101st meme armor brigade to within half battery distance (several hundred yards) of their durka command center
>pvt pyle was at the rear of the memefantry so isn't a sack of burst organs in a powersuit
>steps off the asphault road he's breaking with every step
>sinks up to his knee in desert sand
>mobilitykill.jpg

>>33497833
78.74"x78.74"x.75"=1318
thats the weight of 2 square meters of 3/4" steel

>lv IV
>composite
>from Ar500
>1 round of 30-06AP.... or 2 rounds of anything within 3" of each other
>dead power armor occupant.jpg

ceramic body armor that isn't multistrike capable=dead occupant after being sprayed by half an AK mag as a slow moving 8ft tall walking talking boondoggle.

Composite bodyarmor and "impervious to small arms fire" do not belong in the same sentence, unless you consider "impervious to one round of smallarms fire at the expense of serious mobility and bulk for no tactical or strategic advantage over an IOTV" a win for the anime 12 year old side of the powerarmor arguement.

>>33497917
Your entire post is wrong. The calculations I made are for steel armor, per AR500's quote:
>>(...) a steel level IV solution in 10" x 12" would weigh nearly 13lb's per plate.

>>33497917
the post clearly says steel plates, why are you shitposting?

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>>33497931
>>33497833
>325 lbs of armor
>plus 100 lbs of man
>concentrated on two boots worth of area
this will not go well

>325 lbs of armor
>mobility
these two do not combine

>>33497858
KEK

>>33497858
Kek

>>33490194
>HelpMeeeeHelpMeeee.jpg

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>>33497967
If a fat person's flesh-and-blood legs can handle 600lbs of pressure, a designer single-crystal steel exoskeleton will have no trouble.

Steels are going to get a huge strength boost within the next decade by the way. 'Single crystal' and 'amorphous' steels are getting important production research. A single-crystal steel is essentially steel with no shear boundaries. Amorphous steel is the opposite end of the spectrum, steel with no crystal structure at all. Both have extremely interesting physical properties.

>>33498002
>If a fat person's flesh-and-blood legs can handle 600lbs of pressure
bone is extremely flexible, that's what gives it most of it's strength.

>

Steels are going to get a huge strength boost within the next decade by the way. 'Single crystal' and 'amorphous' steels are getting important production research. A single-crystal steel is essentially steel with no shear boundaries. Amorphous steel is the opposite end of the spectrum, steel with no crystal structure at all. Both have extremely interesting physical properties.
more on this?

>>33498030
http://makezine.com/2012/01/16/single-crystal-superalloys/

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will theses be next gen ieds then?

>>33497931
http://www.jacklinsteel.com/FP56-AR500.htm
2 square meters of 3/4" AR500 weighs 650lbs
this would be btfo by 7.62x51 SLAP
3 square meters since you have to actually armor the exoskeleton and not just a manlet is 980lbs

1" AR500 would be 1300lbs, still BTFO by all explosives and all heavy machineguns and the instant power armor killers any western military would start fielding at the squad level like recoilless rifles and shaped charge grenades like our 40mm M433 HEDP

you would need 10" of MIL-A 46100 to stop a new modern 40mm shaped charge

well over 2" to stop a M433 HEDP that was designed in the fucking 1960's

so 2600-3900lbs of armor alone to not get BTFO immediately by existing smallarms... assuming the 15ft kill radius of a M433 wouldn't still kill the occupant due to overpressure

>>33498075
Any kind of liquid fuel is so easy to avoid with active defenses. You can use pure pneumatics to defend against them.

>little pressure tanks embedded in/attached to the suit, filled with gases
>if a flammable liquid is detected coming towards the suit, a couple valves are open and the flammable material gets blasted away from the suit

>>33498082
Hey dude, we're not talking about 3/4'' AR500. We're talking about level IV steel AR500 plates, which the AR500 manufacturers specifically state would weigh less than 13 lbs each. I already did the math for covering a human-sized body with them, it's time for you to stop avoiding it.

>>33497406
>>immune to up to .50BMG
1. Behind armor trauma would be unsurvivable.
2. It is against ball ammo not even steel core AP.

>>33493142
Maybe the best solution is to have them walk backwards into fire with their turtle shell going the right way and their vulnerable face bits going the wrong way

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>>33498110
>hich the AR500 manufacturers specifically state would weigh less than 13 lbs each. I already did the math for covering a human-sized body with them, it's time for you to stop avoiding it.
>about 13 lbs
>I did the math
>yeah, don't take a steel manufacturers official spec sheet for AR500 as the truth I "did the math"
>it isn't like AR500.com DOESN'T OFFER OR SELL A LV IV STEEL PLATE OR ANYTHING

3/4" armored plating weighs 650lbs for 2 square meters: fact
M948 7.62x51 will penetrate 3/4" of armor grade steel of the same brinell hardness as AR500: fact

but it isn't going to be a liquid metal suit, so the surface area will be significantly larger and at the least 3 square meters

and to make it actually resistant to machinegun fire you need to uparm it well past "one 30-06 steel core dumb AP" to at least an inch or more of steel which still can be penetrated by m948 traveling over 3000fps

which will be penetrated by AP 50bmg and 12.7×108mm handily, even easier by true SLAP and not just steel core.

so more armor

which will still do absolutely nothing against rocket grenades that have been stockpiled in every corner of the globe since WWII.

which even if you could up armor to stop existing rocket grenades (10-20 inches of penetration of RHA, good luck with that) will still be entirely at the mercy of overpressure

so you're ended up with
>not humanoid or gundam sized to keep the occupant a
so a shitty tank or LAV that moves at 4mph and can't carry onboard ammunition or evacuate/transport soldiers.

there is a reason why tankettes were popular in the interwar years and entirely ineffective in WWII. powerarmor is the clarion call of the same retards 100 years later.

>>33498330
>and to make it actually resistant to machinegun fire you need to uparm it well past "one 30-06 steel core dumb AP"

The COMPOSITE plate is the one which can only handle one 30-06. Because it's fucking ceramics. The STEEL plate can handle like thousands.

>>33490249
>skin and bones tougher than titanium
We already have a genetic variant of the gene that normally causes osteoporosis but instead makes bones unbreakable

>>33498330
The objective isn't for it to be literally invincible you idiot, it's for jihad joe with his AKM to be ineffective against it.

>>33498330
>M948 7.62x51
This round doesn't work and nobody uses it. It is actually simpler to make T-90 than 7.62mm SLAP AP.

>>33495597
Hitting a large vehicle with a RPG is very doable, under most circumstances.

Hitting a man-sized target... not quite so much.

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>>33498355
>the one that doesn't exist to be tested would though ;_;
against old steel cored M2 AP a 3/4" plate of steel "may" be effective but M903 will penetrate that at 1500 meters and M948 will wreck that shit at normal combat distances. the NIJ specs do not take into account anything hotter than standard loaded 30-06 black tip; handloads of m2 on a .300wm will punch through it like tissue paper.


>>33498364
jihad joe with his AKM is already ineffective against a US soldier in an IOTV. 14 years of war and 6000 deaths. we have a fucking stellar survival rate of battlefield casualties. read the fucking thread nigger, the big boys btfo your whole line of thought yesterday.

>>33498562
I think you're actually underage

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>>33498580
>you're underage if you think magic girls and gundam won't dominate the 21st century battlefield

what about some (relatively) thin aluminum plates on the extremities? like 3/8ths inch aluminum. the point is not to stop 50bmg or rockets, since that's not gonna happen, and an IOTV already stops 7.62.
these plates are there to stop shrapnel, granted, you're not gonna survive an APERS mine to the face, but if it can keep dudes from getting their limbs blown off when an MRAP runs over a peanut oil can and the engine block becomes giant buckshot, I consider it a win.

would also be useful for engineers/arty/mechanics to help prevent crush injuries and fucking up limbs because lolconcertina wire

>>33498620
That is.. not an entirely absurd weight actually.