Let's talk mortars /k/. Particularly any instances of unusual

>>33483463
I've seen them used as direct-fire weapons by hajis.

Usually the loader does not retain all his limbs.

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>>33483463
Handheld automatic PTSD device.

>>33483486
Now do these fuckers make their own shit and use old rounds or just use captured/old ass guns? Always wondered about that. How hard could it be to make a mortar they've been around for goddamn ever I guess..

>>33483541
Both, plus new-production shit bought from the chinks and pakis.

>>33483541
both

inshallah

>>33483540
Fuck that god damn fire spewing dragon of the Japs, I could chalk up an easy %60 of deaths as Allies to that fuckin' weapon, right next to the Type 100 and booby trap grenades.

"During WW1 heavy artillery mounted on railroad cars were utilized. This enabled the weapons to be transported quickly to where needed" this sounds interesting. How effective do you think this tactic was?

>>33483581
Quite. The trains were reasonably safe since aircraft were in their infancy and they operated far enough behind the clearly-defined front lines they themselves were safe from artillery (including the majority of counterbattery fire).

>>33483581
Oh shit didn't even see that said heavy art on there was in a section about mortars. But either way, railroad mounted mortar. How effective?

>>33483611
Not as effective as railroad mounted artillery due to not having anywhere near the range. The trains were in a lot more danger and could fire from fewer positions.

>>33483581

The more practically sized ones were very effective, the giant Paris guns and the like were just propaganda tools.

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>>33483565
Hm. Some of our guys took a round or two building a cop. Chinamen and Paki's sell whole systems including the sights? They seemed like they didn't have a goddamn clue how to use them if they did.

>>33483645
Yes, they sell complete systems including sights, base plates, and ammo. The chinks have even been caught sending uniformed trainers (we killed one and captured another).

Chalk up the "they seemed like they didn't have a goddamned clue how to use them" to standard Muslim incompetence.

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>>33483463

They also used gas shells in WW1. Not sure how it worked..

>>33483685
Blows my mind. Shit aint hard. Combat use of WP besides shake and bakes? I'm assuming chuck background? Just trying to learn interesting uses for a weapon I'm going to be using for awhile.

>>33483860
You're talking about people that don't use sights and mag dump because allah will guide their bullets.

>>33483860
>shit ain't hard
Not really, no.
>combat use of WP?
No, they were using HE, but instead of having the tubes nearly upright because they were firing from 100-200m they simply laid them flat and had some retard cram rounds down the bore with a stick.
>I'm assuming chuck background?
Huh?

>>33483886
Sorry was using army lingo. Assuming you're in the us military at some point? Guess the USMC has mortars too. Meant a background in mortar use. Do you have a favorite size round? Partial to the 120mm cannon myself, particularly the sensitivity of the bipods I've used on them. Overall I think I'd choose the 81mm though. But I meant have you used WP in combat, other than say a vehicle path blocking or destroy call for fire.

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81mm is pretty much a sweet spot if you're fighting a non state actor with nonexistent counter battery capability.
You can transport an entire battery of mortars with enough ammo for 2 hour bombardment from a single 3 ton truck

>smuggle 60mm mortar in country
>hump it and ammo with a three man team near an airport
>shell airport
???

>>33483685
Sauce on dead Chinese advisor

>>33483540
I'd murder like fifty niggers and cut off my left labia for one of those beauties.

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>>33483463
I don't think it really qualifies as weird, but I've always been kind of intrigued by bomb vessels. That must've been a hell of a job, huh?

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>>33483463
>>33483486
I had a platoon sergeant who said their 60s would brace against a curb to breach buildings across the street.

>>33485088
Jesus, how often are you firing? Once a minute? 81mm ammo takes up a lot of room

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>>33485201

Welcome to the watch list.

>>33483541
>>33483645
The Provos made some huge fucking 1-foot-bore homemade mortars known as "Barrack Busters" to kill proddies with. Real ghetto shit, made out of a propane cylinder or something like that. Then they helped FARC terrorists in Columbia and some Basque nationalists in Spain build their own too.

>>33485876
Oh yeah, they shot down a helicopter with it too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_British_Army_Lynx_shootdown

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>>33483694
Jesus. Did he get his arm in the way of it launching out of the tube, or what?

>>33483645
>They seemed like they didn't have a goddamn clue how to use them if they did.
Insurgents are generally very poorly trained. Pic related.

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>>33485339

I'd rather be one of the guys who got to fire those huge shipboard Congreve rocket batteries

>>33485876
Those were pretty rudimentary fixed-angle stuff. I wonder how hard it would be to make a decent military-style mortar, I doubt it would be that hard for someone with a reasonable amount of garage gunning experience, but you'd need to know your trigonometry well.

It might take a bit of experimentation to produce a decent round for it, but after approximately thirty seconds thought, it doesn't seem to involve much manufacturing that is restricted to commercial endeavors, in the same way that properly rifled barrels or drawn cartridges does.

>>33483540
Favorite weapon, especially when you learn how to actually indirect fire with it.

As for the OP, there were the cases of people who thought that a knee mortar was actually meant to be fired from the knee.

>>33484138
I was US Army, but I was aviation. Don't know the ground pounder lingo.

>>33486770
The tube and baseplate could be quite crude.

I don't know too many machinists that could make a halfway decent sight system for it though.

>>33485201
> snuggle 60mm mortar
if only...

does anybody have a cute anime pic for this?

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>>33487176
Something like that, though this is at least an 81mm mortar.

>>33487266
that's pretty kawai desu. thanks anon

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>>33483611
>Oh shit didn't even see that said heavy art on there was in a section about mortars. But either way, railroad mounted mortar. How effective?

Enormous artillery pieces was your only option for extreme range before reliable cruise missiles became a thing. I don't know about their cost-effectiveness, but I if they'd made cluster and/or incendiary munitions for them they would probably have been.

>>33487266
thats 120

>>33485088
Fiering 6 rounds a minute fore 2 hours with 8 guns would use about 25 tons of ammo.

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>>33486239
I... Is this real life? Were they just pointing the bang end in the general direction of their enemies?

>>33483581
They're the best way to have large guns. The US used some old 14" battleship guns mounted on new platforms for the role.

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>>33487546
Yes, this total ignorance of even simple military concepts is why (almost) all forces in ME/Africa are shit no matter how well they are equipped.

Here is a good article explaining the idiocy that arab armies face: http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

>>33483574
Basicly a precursor of the M203?

>>33485475
You are like baby.
>smuggle 81mm mortar from Mexico.
>go to crowded football game.
>have 10 or so mortar rounds, 15 guys with AK's.
>lob mortars into stadium.
>have guys with AK's at exits.
>easily kill 1000+ people.

>>33489443
>read snuggle instead of smuggle
threw me for a loop

>>33489462
>not snuggling your 81mm

>>33489513
I got that part, even taking it to a football game because its from mexico, the rest threw me off.

>>33489388
More like a similar solution. Where just about every other modern army was using rifle grenades that required a special round and attachment be used, the Japs used the knee mortar. The problem with it was they were heavier, required their own special ammo to use, accurate fire was more difficult to achieve, and recoil was pretty brutal. The 203 solved the problem of needing a special muzzle device and round to fire, while also reducing recoil to a tickle and increased payload.

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>>33489778
>203
>increased payload
Everything you said was largely right up until that point, but that was so wrong it hurts.
If you have a dunce cap I suggest you wear it.

>>33490296
I looked it up and face palmed. I forgot the knee mortars were 50mm and had pretty decent firepower for what they were

>>33490296
How many rifle grenades can you reliably carry? How many 40mm can you stuff in a pouch?

>>33490678
We had a thread about GL's some time ago. A milfag said that grenadiers carry 12 HEDP minimum. Said that smokes, flares et cetera are damn useful too.

>>33490794
Yeah that's what I was implying. I'd rather have
>>33490296
>puny 203
than a knee mortar.

>>33490678
I get what you are saying about capacity to carry more units of ammunition, but it still stands that the payload >read:weight of the charge & fragmenting shell: of a 40mm grenade is much smaller than that of a 50mm mortar.

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>>33490894
well yes,
50>40

>>33490794
If I've learned anything from playing ARMA, it's that 40mm HE and smokes are a godsend for getting out of a lot of tricky situations.

>>33487266
>tfw no yandere gf to bombard your house with HE until you agree to accept her confession

Life is pain, /k/.

>>33486770
Less hard than you think, apparently mortars and cannons are pretty low pressure affairs. if you're willing to go full 18th century on a motherfucker you can build a bowling ball mortar out of a pressurized o2 cylinder of the proper size with a simple elevation device. properly designed ones can launch a rather large payload close to a mile.

Sounds like hell on wheels if WROL ever really happened for an extended period of time lol. Feel like raiders would try that exactly once before deciding 10-15lb increments of homebrew HE being dorpped on them from a mile off was definitely not worth the hassle.

>>33491878
in 'Nam it was noted that the 40mm launcher was great at breaking ambushes. Personally I think it would be hard to ambush anyone if once you started you suddenly start exploding.

>>33493395
Sounds about right. I imagine it's a good round for fucking up vehicles as well.

>>33493410
A portable mid sized explosion is good for almost anything

>>33487389
Damnit I wish the gif showed the gun firing

>>33486287
That's the "rocket's red glare" Mr. Scott Key was talking about

>>33486779
*They thought it was fired ON the knee

>>33487266
120mm. I wonder what would happen if you launched a 120mm HE shell from a "normal" arty gun.

>>33484138
Mounted 120 best system
Thicc af

>>33483540
>>33490808
What I don't get is when they get the M320 standalone launcher from HK, why don't they make the standalone launcher able to be used like a mortar as well as a standard grenade launcher. You could easily have high angle "knee mortar" with 40mm as well as your standard indirect fire grenade launcher.

Having high angle and easily ranged indirect fire as an organic element of squads is pretty nice.

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French modern knee mortar.
Since it's a very silent launcher and 51mm doesn't make for a big payload, a regular joke is "so dicreet, even the target won't notice it has been hit".

specs and infographic:
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/equipements/materiels-specifiques/infanterie/armement/lance-grenade-individuel
webpage isn't up to date, IR flare is now available.

>>33483463
>unusual tactical applications during wartime.
I always liked that one:
Evacuation of Nam-Dinh, French Indochina, January 1947.
Two companies, FFL and marines, were left behind in two fortified positions to fix the enemy until told otherwise (1 vs. 20 and completely unsupported, standard for Indochina). Between mines, ambushes and snipers, liaison between the two was almost impossible.
A Viet-minh artillery shell hiting a fuel reserve burnt the entire tobacco stocks of the french marines, meaning the situation suddently became unbearable. Two runners were dispatched to the legion post by night to bring back some tobacco, but one jumped on a mine, and the officers refused to let the second one go back.
Instead, after an intense brainstorming, they filled mortar rounds with tobacco and shot at the other position. They determined fire solution by shooting cotton rounds first.

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>>33496725
I have a little English info. It's the Rheinmetall Fly-K spigot mortar, adopted as the LGI Mle F1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance-grenade_individuel_Mle_F1_(LGI_Mle_F1)

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>>33497554
captive piston, kinda like the self-suppressed cartridges from Cold War

>>33483685
>we killed uniformed chinese trainers

I would have believed you if you had said paki, but no, you had to go full retard.

>>33483645
Anyone got the screen cap of mall ninja?

>>33483860
>>33483685
>>33498107

>>33497574
Think miniaturised PIAT.

>>33497574
I wonder.... would a captive-piston cartridge/projectile count as a silencer to the ATF?

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british L9A1 light mortar

>>33486239
To add on that, indirect fire is very foreign to african (and I suppose middle-eastern) cultures. It's very hard to find a Type 63 used in its intended role.

>>33497554
I believe it was made by the french manufacturer Titanite, and Rheinmetall bought the licence afterwards.