If the m1919 weights 31 pounds and the m240b weights 28 pounds.

>>33477116
unless you're mounted to a tripod or a vehicle. You want some weight. it helps stabilized the gun.

If you want a 7.62 automatic weapon to last, you generally have to overbuild it. That means weight.

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>>33477116

They did a little better when they gave the Minimi steroids.

Could probably even shed a little more weight if they didn't have what appears to be six rails on the forward end.

>>33477203
>be M27
>be retarded

>>33477116
Quick barrel change, don't have to set headspace and timing, easier to transport and shoot from various positions, more accurate, lighter ammunition means more of it, reliability, easier maintenance... Off the top of my head without even trying. I'm gonna guess you've never shot a MG have you?

>>33477116
Infantry doesn't use the B model anymore.

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>>33477326

>>33477230
The M27 is unbelievably retarded if looked at as a support weapon, yes indeed.

>>33477213
I'd shave either the top or lower side rails for a start, but I'm not entirely sure of if I quite see the point of that top thing, maybe take that entire piece off.

>>33477375
Mod 1 doesn't have the top rail. Weighs like 17lbs.

>>33477261
>>33477261

>never shot a MG have you?
I have an an/m2 rebuild you underage faggot


SA 1919-mg4 is older than the m240:

>lighter ammunition
both use 308

>reliability
Both browning designs
m1919 > BAR = BAR turned upsidedown

>easier maintenance
TIL a BAR turned upside down is less maintenance than an m1919

>easier to transport and shoot from various positions
Throw a stock on it, see: the stinger

>more accurate
LOL

>>33477461
Pretty good for a GPMG.

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>>33477464
Sure you kid. The headspacing/barrel change issue along is enough to make it more practical, you'd know this if you ever actually used and not your "M2 semi bullshit". You clearly have no clue WTF you're talking about. And why are you talking about the BAR now if you started a thread making some comparison between a dated ass MG and the 240? Just neck yourself shithead

This looks promising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avSnzgFBJGQ

>>33477116

M240L

https://fnamerica.com/products/machine-guns/fn-m240l/

>The M240 (also known as the FN MAG® or FN MAG® 58) family of medium machine guns (7.62x51mm NATO) has long been employed by all services of the U.S. Armed Forces.

>Developed under a series of STS tasks, the U.S. Army’s recently adopted M240L sheds 5 pounds via a titanium receiver and polymer trigger frame. The M240L is equipped with a 4″ shorter barrel and a redesigned collapsible buttstock assembly. The M240L variant is equipped with the forward-mounted MIL-STD 1913 rail kit.

M240B: 27.6 pounds (12.5 kg)
M240L: 22.3 pounds (10.1 kg)

>>33477464
>I've never shot, held, or seen in person either of the guns I'm talking about but I have a completely different machine gun with virtually no similarities and I've read online about another unrelated gun that the fn mag is based on and this is what I'm going to base my opinions on rather than the fn mag itself

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>>33477568
The m240 is bar turned upside down you LARPing underage retard

http://modernfirearms.net/machine/usa/m240-e.html

" MAG is no more than a time-proven Browning action, taken from the M1918 BAR automatic rifle, turned upside down and adopted for belt feed."

The Spergenning begins, 2017

>>33477822
when's the last time you used an m240 you fucking faggot

>>33477116
>hasn't heard of the m240k

Pleb

>>33477822
How old are you dude? You've never shot an MG have you? This thread is beyond gay and the 1919 is old as fuck. Kys

>>33477919
Never. I doubt this guy is even 18

>>33477326
Not sure which branch you're describing but the USMC still does

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>>33477568
>headspace and timing

Fucking this

Anyone whose ever had to headspace and time a Ma Deuce on the fly can tell you what a pain in the ass it is and the mixed results you get from it

It took my vic sitting down and writing the amount of clicks and turns need to get the headspace *just* right for future references and even then sometimes it be a cunt hair off

Meanwhile the vics with the 240 just had to throw the gun in the cradle and they were ready to go

>>33478937

>writing down your h&t click numbers
>not just doing the checks every time you install a barrel like you're supposed to because number of clicks will change based on any number of variables

I doubt you kept a spare barrel on your truck anyways, so why not?

>>33478986
Not him but the real issue is you can't quickly swap the barrels out like the 240. Not to mention anyone who has ever had to shoot the M2 at night with NVG, it washes out everything. Our M2 receivers dated back to 1945, and they were shit. The M2 needs a serious fucking overhaul and is heavy/antiquated as fuck. I'm not shooting at armor, just gimme the 240. I had one jam on me once chasing a car thru some muholla. I took it down, mounted the 240 and never fucking looked back (with PSG approval of course).

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>>33478986
The writing down thing was for when we were deployed, in the rear we did our checks everytime like good little amtrackers, it was a point of pride to get that perfect rate of fire with 0 stuttering, and we were AAVs so having the spare barrel with us was non negotiable

Also, barrel changes on an AAV requires someone to get out of the track, or if you have an experienced crew, the turret gunner can lean over with a heat glove and take it out

This becomes a more complicated procedure in combat as you would imagine

>>33479052
Lol my M2 was made in 1943, the thing probably killed japs

>>33479215
Lol right. Even with the decades of swapping out internals, the receivers will warp at some point. Makes me wonder why the Army is fucking around looking at new pistols, when the M2 drastically needs an update

>>33477116

You understand that they are entirely different guns with different original design philosophies right? They didn't spend decades working on the M60 to turn it into the M240B.

>>33479052
the new m2 is supposed to fix a lot of those issues, we got em in like 2013 if I remember correctly

https://www.army.mil/article-amp/92130/M2A1_Machine_Gun_features_greater_safety__heightened_lethality

pretty neat-o

>>33478937
Good thing the M2A1 exists

>>33479317
The M2 doesn't need an updated design. It's kind of like the M249s we have. The design is fine. We just need a bunch of wholly new weapons to replace the aging ones rather than doing stingy piecemeal parts replacements.

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>>33479317
Honestly, if they could simplify the M2 so that its not so shitty to troubleshoot the thing in combat, you could probably be good for another couple decades with it

I worked in an Armory the last couple of months we were in and every time we did some major training or had some guns come back from a combat deployment/MEU, there was always an M2 that was starting to show signs of warping

I was a total nerd about our guns and gunnery in general, I made it a point to make my boots lives a living hell if they didn't take gunnery seriously

>>33479365
Thats pretty cool, obviously we haven't picked it up in every corner of the Marine Corps because we like to drag ass on updating our weapons and equipment

>>33477822
The locking mechanism is literally the only thing the 240 shares with the m1918.

>>33477230
The M27 is not a belt fed medium machine gun.

>>33479427
>another couple decades
nigga you know we'll be using that shit on our dropships when we invade trappist-1g

>>33480369
This.

As long as the military keeps slinging lead, the m2 will be around.

>>33477464
>M1919 and BAR and M240 all shoot .308

Wut

>>33481005


http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/colt-1918-commercial-bar-parts-set

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-oversize-rifles/1919-a4-detail.html?Itemid=0

wow!

whats the difference between the fn mag and m240?

>>33477230
>Comparing a full size MG to an automatic rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge
Retarded indeed.

>>33481099
>modern civilian reproduction is identical to original
>wait what? The BAR was in .30-06 like every other American rifle of the time
>whaaaaaa! It doesn't fit my version! Whaaaaaaaa!

Neck yourself feggit...

>>33477464
>>33481099

I just noticed the retardation going on here

>>33481155
A military designation.

>>33478871
I literally haven't seen a 240B since basic, that was 4 years ago. As far as the Army goes most Infantry units have new Ls or Ls converted from Bs

>>33477116
The M1919 weighs 45lbs when you include the weight of the tripod you mount it on. The M1919A6 with a shitty bipod and stock is 35lbs. Both 1919s work far better with loose belts as opposed to box mags, making 1919s a crew weapon more than the M240.

>>33481099
Confirmed for literal fucking moron

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>>33481099
My OOW shoots 06 you fuckin retard.
>Says the guy with the BAR

>>33477116
i have carried the 240B for countless miles, i could shot the nuts off a fly with it. its weight is no obstical, shes just a THICC girl. you gotta throw her around all rough like, slap that chargin handle ooooh yeeaa girl you like that shit huh? open up that feed tray, let daddy slap some belt in there oooo mmhm yea just like that.

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>>33477116
>he doesn't know that weight is a desirable feature when designing a full-auto weapon

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How come the west has been completely incapable of fielding a GPMG in the weight class of the PKM?

who does the 50 cals in the air wing/airforce?

crew chiefs? a designated armorer? Would a gunner on a helicopter know how to do it all or expect daddy at home to do it for him while he does chill airwinger things?

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I think Machine Guns are different from other types of firearms in that weight is more desirable to absorb the recoil and the heat, allowing for more sustained, more accurate fire. Otherwise, a standard rifle with an extended mag may serve the same role, but I suppose one would find that it is not as effective as a true heavy weapon.

>>33486094
is this the russian "saw"?

Whats the purpose of the aks with the longer barrel no bipod and 40 roudn mag? DMR?

>>33485774
How did they make the PKM so light?

Because gun designers are dumb, i could design a lmg that weighs half as much as the m240b.

>>33486338
Because it's not that hard to design a light lmg.

>>33486319
its an rpk with a 75 round mag

same rate of fire as a standard ak, but hte heavy barrel has more to do with heat absorption and reliable continued fire than anything else.

Standard akm's i think would catch fire if they were shot through with 100s of bullets for use in suppression.

>>33483964
>>33485336
>>33481344
>>33481331

>http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/colt-1918-commercial-bar-parts-set

"This is a Colt manufactured parts set in .308 caliber. These were made by Colt for a Central American contract. Receiver not included."

How does it feel to have an 89 IQ?

>>33486529
Why does a export gun from the 50s-60s matter to a 1918 gun? You are a fucking retard especially for thinking anyone who disagrees with you is.

>>33486529
Can find no proof of that, originally they where in 7mm and other mauser cartridges.

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>>33486529
Your fucking autism is so off the charts I can't tell if I'm being trolled or not. What the fuck is the point of this dumbass thread? Post your civie m2 build I gotta see it. Otherwise YOU HAVE TO GO BACK, you are Cowadooty4 Leddit incarnate

>>33486338
By giving it no heat guards.

>>33486319
RPK, friendo. And they have detachable bipods which due to the imperfect nature of life don't always stay with the rifle. They are acting as light machineguns.

There are 7.62x39mm DMRs like the Tabuk, but IIRC the Soviets themselves never made a DMR in that caliber.

>>33486379
Ok. Design it.

>>33487299
good to know. Always wondered what those guys did particular guys did. I've only really seen them in teh soviet bloc countires and i guess chechens.

Never seen an arab with them.